Knicks coming off a brutal OT loss because of Nic fucking Batum
Tonight’s headlines are sure to be the Kyrie Whack job Irving trade
Trade deadline Thursday Feb 9
Trades I would love to make if I’m
Leon Rose. Just spitballing here
Knicks send RJ and Rose plus a first rounder to Toronto for OG and Otto porter
Salary match out
Knicks send Fournier and Hart and Obi and Reddish and draft capital to Chicago for Derozan and Patrick Williams
Salaries match
Williams and OG can play the 3 and 4
Derozan makes the bench a weapon if he agrees to come off bench.
Mitch
Randle
OG
Grimes
Brunson
Bench
Simms
Williams
Derozan
IQ
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.
RJ’s defense has been awful. Rather have OG than RJ
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.
What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?
they're still not using him correctly on offense - but he's certainly been more active and more of a presence.
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.
What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?
Because he actually does and it showed tonight
we have other wings who can do at least one thing well. Right now RJ does nothing well. The only person in NY that thinks he deserves big minutes is Thibs.
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.
What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?
Because he actually does and it showed tonight
No he doesnt, you notice who finished with Brunson and Randle? Fournier and Mcbride, you know why it worked? because they play iff the ball, they are not ball dominant, so they excelled getting wide open 3s..
Name 1 great team that had 3 ball domiannt players and all 3 continued to be ball domiannt and it was succesful..
lol. are you drunk?
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That's a gritty win with your best player missing.
lol. are you drunk?
Haha
You triggered bro ?
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.
What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?
Because he actually does and it showed tonight
No he doesnt, you notice who finished with Brunson and Randle? Fournier and Mcbride, you know why it worked? because they play iff the ball, they are not ball dominant, so they excelled getting wide open 3s..
Name 1 great team that had 3 ball domiannt players and all 3 continued to be ball domiannt and it was succesful..
GS warriors? 76ers ? Celtics?
Also the starting line up you have been screaming for didn't finish the game. They wouldn't have if the other 2 could do anything tonight.
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That's a gritty win with your best player missing.
lol. are you drunk?
Haha
You triggered bro ?
wouldn't be your first lousy RJ take...
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.
What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?
Because he actually does and it showed tonight
No he doesnt, you notice who finished with Brunson and Randle? Fournier and Mcbride, you know why it worked? because they play iff the ball, they are not ball dominant, so they excelled getting wide open 3s..
Name 1 great team that had 3 ball domiannt players and all 3 continued to be ball domiannt and it was succesful..
GS warriors? 76ers ? Celtics?
Also the starting line up you have been screaming for didn't finish the game. They wouldn't have if the other 2 could do anything tonight.
Warriors have 3 ball dominant players in thejr stsrting lineuo? who?
Sixers dont, they moved Maxey to the bench because it wasnt working..
Celtics have 2 not 3..
Nice try though
Warriors never had 3 ball dominant players, Klay is an off the ball player, he is a sbooter, running off screens..
Curry has become more ball domiannt but he runs a lot of DHO's with Green..
Why do you think it doesnt work for the Lakers?
Warriors never had 3 ball dominant players, Klay is an off the ball player, he is a sbooter, running off screens..
Curry has become more ball domiannt but he runs a lot of DHO's with Green..
Why do you think it doesnt work for the Lakers?
Totally agree. You can have two--Jordan/Pippen, Steph/Durant--but hard to have three.Unless one of the three is a Chris Paul type PG
That's why RJ should be on the floor whenever Brunson or Randle sit.
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not enough touches, never has never will..
Warriors never had 3 ball dominant players, Klay is an off the ball player, he is a sbooter, running off screens..
Curry has become more ball domiannt but he runs a lot of DHO's with Green..
Why do you think it doesnt work for the Lakers?
Totally agree. You can have two--Jordan/Pippen, Steph/Durant--but hard to have three.Unless one of the three is a Chris Paul type PG
That's why RJ should be on the floor whenever Brunson or Randle sit.
Or a true superstar that Randle would finally have to start defering touches to especially in the 4th Q. RJ ain't that guy.
That was SWEEEEEET. Some of them were bullshit like the ones Harden’s been living on for a decade.
From the middle of the third quarter on, the Knicks 4 guards were excellent. They were able to steal time with Brunson on the bench, then he came in and kept it going. Great games by Fournier and Deuce.
Meanwhile, the Sixers bench combo of Niang and Reed were horrendous. Their entire bench was and the game was lost while Embiid was sitting.
I’ve been rough on Hartenstein, but he was terrific off the bench.
Great win.
MCbride is just a great defender and Fournier, while not great defensively--is hardnosed--something knicks have been missing.
Great game
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Had to be bailed out by the bench right and your savior Grimes was 1-5 from 3 and barely played in the 4th right?
Quickley did not look good with the starters(which I want)
RJ has warts and all but man you can spin anything to be has fault.
The hate is real.
What does any of this have to do with Rj not being a fit with the starters?
Because he actually does and it showed tonight
No he doesnt, you notice who finished with Brunson and Randle? Fournier and Mcbride, you know why it worked? because they play iff the ball, they are not ball dominant, so they excelled getting wide open 3s..
Name 1 great team that had 3 ball domiannt players and all 3 continued to be ball domiannt and it was succesful..
GS warriors? 76ers ? Celtics?
Also the starting line up you have been screaming for didn't finish the game. They wouldn't have if the other 2 could do anything tonight.
Warriors have 3 ball dominant players in thejr stsrting lineuo? who?
Sixers dont, they moved Maxey to the bench because it wasnt working..
Celtics have 2 not 3..
Nice try though
Harris on the 76ers not Maxey btw.
Warriors Klay, Wiggins and Curry.
I will give you Smart but he is not a straight up perimeter shooter
McBride is just a great defender and Fournier, while not great defensively--is hardnosed--something knicks have been missing.
Great game.
Thibs has a disgustingly bad feel for flow of the game, his players strengths and weaknesses and rotations. He generally doesn't believe in riding the hot hand and plays favorites. Today we were fortunate but until he shows a willingness to adapt, I'm still quite skeptical.
Klay is not ball dominant, Curry has become a little bit more as his career has gone on but a lot of his scoring is off of Draymond..
Lebron, Wade and bosh were the same.
So in the right system it can work and players being less selfish.
Brunson didn't need to be ball dominant in Dallas and played off Luka more often than not.
In the end you don't want RJ on this team and haven't for 3 years it didn't start when Brunson got here
You are fitting the 3 ball dominant theory to make an excuse to move on from RJ.
So if you move RJ for Dame or Mitchell you would be worried about 3 ball dominant players?
Lebron, Wade and bosh were the same.
So in the right system it can work and players being less selfish.
Brunson didn't need to be ball dominant in Dallas and played off Luka more often than not.
In the end you don't want RJ on this team and haven't for 3 years it didn't start when Brunson got here
You are fitting the 3 ball dominant theory to make an excuse to move on from RJ.
So if you move RJ for Dame or Mitchell you would be worried about 3 ball dominant players?
Well depending on Thibs idiotic rotations and favoring Randle maybe...but I think Randle would be forced to defer more to a true superstar player. RJ aint that guy. Brunson is a point who is not a me first player and can adjust.
Lebron, Wade and bosh were the same.
So in the right system it can work and players being less selfish.
Brunson didn't need to be ball dominant in Dallas and played off Luka more often than not.
In the end you don't want RJ on this team and haven't for 3 years it didn't start when Brunson got here
You are fitting the 3 ball dominant theory to make an excuse to move on from RJ.
So if you move RJ for Dame or Mitchell you would be worried about 3 ball dominant players?
Holy crap, Bosh went from a 25 PPG scorer to a 16-18 ppg scorer and became more pick and pop and had to play off the ball..Even Wade took a step back..
No shit when 3 great players come together 1 guy has to take step back, the point is Rj cant, he doesnt have a consistent shooting touch..He has to be ball dominant to be effective..
If you put 3 stars together and a guy isnt capable of playing off the ball, it is not going to work, like with the Lakers, Westbrook cant play off the ball, so now he has to come off the bench..
If they trade for a star, Randle has to continue to move more off the ball and hopefully the guy they get can shoot so he can play off the ball as well..
It is really simple, 3 guys who need the ball to be effective doesnt work, 1 or 2 guys has to be effective off the ball for it to work..I dont get how this is so hard to understand, tbis is not just about Rj if it was anyone in that position i would say the same thing, i said it about Fournier and Kemba last year, it was to many guys that needed the ball..
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Doesn't hold water because Harris, Harden, Embid game was always ball dominant but they changed to win.
Lebron, Wade and bosh were the same.
So in the right system it can work and players being less selfish.
Brunson didn't need to be ball dominant in Dallas and played off Luka more often than not.
In the end you don't want RJ on this team and haven't for 3 years it didn't start when Brunson got here
You are fitting the 3 ball dominant theory to make an excuse to move on from RJ.
So if you move RJ for Dame or Mitchell you would be worried about 3 ball dominant players?
Well depending on Thibs idiotic rotations and favoring Randle maybe...but I think Randle would be forced to defer more to a true superstar player. RJ aint that guy. Brunson is a point who is not a me first player and can adjust.
100%
Can RJ, Randle,and Brunson develop that chemistry and Thibs change his thinking I hope so.
Grimes and Quickley have been too inconsistent in hitting the wide open 3 off the doubles.
But deep down you know RJ is going to be there and they need to learn to make it work this season to make a run
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Doesn't hold water because Harris, Harden, Embid game was always ball dominant but they changed to win.
Lebron, Wade and bosh were the same.
So in the right system it can work and players being less selfish.
Brunson didn't need to be ball dominant in Dallas and played off Luka more often than not.
In the end you don't want RJ on this team and haven't for 3 years it didn't start when Brunson got here
You are fitting the 3 ball dominant theory to make an excuse to move on from RJ.
So if you move RJ for Dame or Mitchell you would be worried about 3 ball dominant players?
Holy crap, Bosh went from a 25 PPG scorer to a 16-18 ppg scorer and became more pick and pop and had to play off the ball..Even Wade took a step back..
No shit when 3 great players come together 1 guy has to take step back, the point is Rj cant, he doesnt have a consistent shooting touch..He has to be ball dominant to be effective..
If you put 3 stars together and a guy isnt capable of playing off the ball, it is not going to work, like with the Lakers, Westbrook cant play off the ball, so now he has to come off the bench..
If they trade for a star, Randle has to continue to move more off the ball and hopefully the guy they get can shoot so he can play off the ball as well..
It is really simple, 3 guys who need the ball to be effective doesnt work, 1 or 2 guys has to be effective off the ball for it to work..I dont get how this is so hard to understand, tbis is not just about Rj if it was anyone in that position i would say the same thing, i said it about Fournier and Kemba last year, it was to many guys that needed the ball..
RJ is not a good fit with this squad especially with the idiotic Thibs rotations.
Hart, Fournier and Deuce were great off the bench. Hart and Fournier, enough said - and Deuce was +34 in 23 minutes.
Besides 14 rebounds Hart was diving for balls and giving it back to Embiid physically. Fournier finally did what he was brought here to do.
Embiid is a beast, his "MVP" chants from the Philly fans in attendance (there were quite a few) may be deserved.
Harden is even more dislikable in person than on TV, because TV cuts away to other things and doesn't show him endlessly arguing with the refs about everything. I don't know why the refs tolerate it.
Anyway - great night. Our youngest (who's grown) was in town and wanted to go to the game - glad we did.
He really has been such a great vet..
Brunson and Randle mainly handled the ball. If any of the other three guys got the ball, they got rid of it quickly by passing or shooting.
Deuce played a D-and-3 role and it worked well. He's not a great 3-point shooter but he hit a couple of big ones and played good D.
Grimes was decent, not great. IQ as a starter didn't work and maybe in part because he's another on-ball player. Also - I hope he's OK - he appeared to get injured, early in the 4th quarter I think it was, and he didn't return.
Obi certainly runs a lot, and he wasn't bad, but I wonder sometimes if he knows where he's running to and why.
That was great. The NY v Philly vibe was strong tonight. It was good atmosphere, a little like soccer in Europe. Although MSG is such a bread-and-a-circus atmosphere, with all the crazy things going on during breaks.
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Shams had a report that the suns are being super agressive to try and upgrade the team and made it sound like CP3 was on the way out
Now I'm not getting hopes up for this to happen but I can see the Knicks going this route should he actually become available.
We need outside shooting,and he is great beside randle and brunson
I know his D is lacking,but sheesh he has played well the last few games he has been allowed out of the dog house...
Trade rumor was the were definitely in on Kyrie and could see them going all in on Durant.
We need outside shooting,and he is great beside randle and brunson
I know his D is lacking,but sheesh he has played well the last few games he has been allowed out of the dog house...
No he is fine in spots and he got hot yesterday but overall his shooting hasnt been good..
His defense has been better but do you trust it? In this league you need to be a good defender at the wing position
We need outside shooting,and he is great beside randle and brunson
I know his D is lacking,but sheesh he has played well the last few games he has been allowed out of the dog house...
He can shoot. Possibly the best pure shooter on the team for a team that lacks great shooting. Its too bad Thibs isnt a coach that is good at adjusting system to his players.
A line up with Mitchell Randle Fournier Grimes/Quickly Brunson should actually in theory be a decent one if utilized properly.
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Is it possible he has played his way back into the rotation?
We need outside shooting,and he is great beside randle and brunson
I know his D is lacking,but sheesh he has played well the last few games he has been allowed out of the dog house...
He can shoot. Possibly the best pure shooter on the team for a team that lacks great shooting. Its too bad Thibs isnt a coach that is good at adjusting system to his players.
A line up with Mitchell Randle Fournier Grimes/Quickly Brunson should actually in theory be a decent one if utilized properly.
The problem is a lineup with Brunson and Fournier is tough defensively...You can hide 1 bad defender, you cant hide 2..Fournier will try on defense, he is good team defender but if he has to guard a good to great offensive player, he is going to get cooked..
Thats the thing missing with this team, not enough bigger defensive wings
I agree that Fournier and Brunson cannot play together for too long due to the D....but IQ/Fournier does work
I agree that Fournier and Brunson cannot play together for too long due to the D....but IQ/Fournier does work
Yeah fournier cnanplay well with Iq or Mcbride