Knicks coming off a brutal OT loss because of Nic fucking Batum
Tonight’s headlines are sure to be the Kyrie Whack job Irving trade
Trade deadline Thursday Feb 9
Trades I would love to make if I’m
Leon Rose. Just spitballing here
Knicks send RJ and Rose plus a first rounder to Toronto for OG and Otto porter
Salary match out
Knicks send Fournier and Hart and Obi and Reddish and draft capital to Chicago for Derozan and Patrick Williams
Salaries match
Williams and OG can play the 3 and 4
Derozan makes the bench a weapon if he agrees to come off bench.
Mitch
Randle
OG
Grimes
Brunson
Bench
Simms
Williams
Derozan
IQ
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Look at Philly,they have several big wing players,who can shoot.
I agree that Fournier and Brunson cannot play together for too long due to the D....but IQ/Fournier does work
Yeah fournier cnanplay well with Iq or Mcbride
OG in theory would be a strong compliment to this line-up. Chess piece defensive player who can come in anywhere depending on matchups.
This team desperately needs shooting, and we have a good outside shooter on the team, but for some reason we have a 9 man rotation that CANNOT be compromised and guys are even in or out, even if they're having bad nights or we can take advantage of some matchup.
Looking backwards, you do what you have to do to get Brunson, but losing Burks hurt.
This team desperately needs shooting, and we have a good outside shooter on the team, but for some reason we have a 9 man rotation that CANNOT be compromised and guys are even in or out, even if they're having bad nights or we can take advantage of some matchup.
Never adjusts to the game, biggest issue
This team desperately needs shooting, and we have a good outside shooter on the team, but for some reason we have a 9 man rotation that CANNOT be compromised and guys are even in or out, even if they're having bad nights or we can take advantage of some matchup.
Fournier is a perfect example of how the FO both "fully supports Thibs" but clearly the organization is not on the same page. Fournier has been EXACTLY who he's always been prior to coming to the Knicks and yet Thibs fell out of love with Fournier within months of him being here... so why did they sign him? It's not like he signed here and his play/game fell off.
Guys shouldmt be playing 16 straight minutes when they are 1 for 11 or when they are 11 for 11...You cant have a rotation like that, you first off kill the bench and then you exhaust your starters..
and the constant need to have a center on the court is baffiling..
Guys shouldmt be playing 16 straight minutes when they are 1 for 11 or when they are 11 for 11...You cant have a rotation like that, you first off kill the bench and then you exhaust your starters..
and the constant need to have a center on the court is baffiling..
apparently RJ played the first 18 minutes of the game on Saturday night, lol. That's weird even if the guy is playing well. But for someone who's actively hurting the team....it's outright lunacy/malpractice.
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i have no problem sitting guys who aremt performing or the fit is not right but a guy shouldnt just be banished and not seen or heard form again..Every game is different sometimes you need a scoring punch off the bench, sometimes you need defense..
Guys shouldmt be playing 16 straight minutes when they are 1 for 11 or when they are 11 for 11...You cant have a rotation like that, you first off kill the bench and then you exhaust your starters..
and the constant need to have a center on the court is baffiling..
apparently RJ played the first 18 minutes of the game on Saturday night, lol. That's weird even if the guy is playing well. But for someone who's actively hurting the team....it's outright lunacy/malpractice.
Yup, its because thibs doesnt know how to stagger and his first sub is always Hartenstein for Sims and it doesnt come until 7 minutes into the quarter..
Thibs waits forever to make his first sub and then at that point it is hard to stagger..
Rj should play as many minutes as possible with the bench..
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Report: Miami Heat dangling trade package of Duncan Robinson, Dewayne Dedmon and 1st-round pick to see what they could get
No, we won it. It was a solid win.
Its not that hr is terrible, the big issue is the fit and he is not capable of playing that 3rd fiddle role..
Plus his defense has regressed and yes he scores 20 but his effeciency is awful and he doesnt pass the ball..
I just dont think the fit is helping him
He gets those points on a ton of shots (his efficiency sucks)
He's not a playmaker (barely more assists than turnovers).
His defense sucks (31 combined steals and blocks this season in 1674 minutes!)
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Or did the sixers blow it??
No, we won it. It was a solid win.
I meant to ask you how it was being there
Also did RJ seem engaged in the game or was he pissed off at not playing?
I have my suspicion about his not playing last nite
His FG % is down as is his Defensive efficiency scores
It's fixable...but hasn't been fixed yet
Fournier is not a good 1 on 1 defender but he is a smart defender and good at team defense. Combine that with his shooting/ passing and IQ, he deserves minutes with the starters over RJ right now.
If there is any chance for a RJ for OG ( or even Siakam) deal, I would be going all in on that if I'm the Knicks.
It Also does not help that he has a coach using Van Gundy’s offensive playbook from the 1990s
Fournier is not a good 1 on 1 defender but he is a smart defender and good at team defense. Combine that with his shooting/ passing and IQ, he deserves minutes with the starters over RJ right now.
If there is any chance for a RJ for OG ( or even Siakam) deal, I would be going all in on that if I'm the Knicks.
Man the rosy glasses are on for Fournier today.
All I heard for a year is how bad Fournier is on defense and sit him down, One decent game and we are moving to a 10 man rotation to accommodate him or give him Barrett's minutes.
Fournier was a bad fit from the start and should have moved him when we cleaned out the last group (kemba,etc)
I don't know what game you watched last night but Fournier was in bad body position and swapping at the ball all night in 25 minutes a night you guys would have the torches and pitchforks put.
It Also does not help that he has a coach using Van Gundy’s offensive playbook from the 1990s
It doesnt matter what playbook you use, he wouldnt be a fit, he wouldnt fit in the warriors offense..
he is a 1 level scorer and a volume scorer at that..
We all ahted Randle last year because of his ineffeciemcy and iso, why does Rj get a pass with worse numbers?
Also did RJ seem engaged in the game or was he pissed off at not playing?
I was there as well. I saw Mitch on the bench but not RJ - but that makes sense as he was scratched because of illness (at least that's the official word). If he was contagious you wouldn't want him on the bench.
It Also does not help that he has a coach using Van Gundy’s offensive playbook from the 1990s
The problem is that we’ve been saying the same things about him since he was 19. Then 20. Then 21…
There just hasn’t been any significant improvement at all. That’s the problem. Still young? Sure. But there is no evidence that he is going to change much as a player as he gets older
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Or did the sixers blow it??
No, we won it. It was a solid win.
I meant to ask you how it was being there
Also did RJ seem engaged in the game or was he pissed off at not playing?
I have my suspicion about his not playing last nite
It was fun. Racuous crowd, albeit quite a lot of empty seats and LOTS of Sixers fans.
RJ was taking warmups, but then he just went to the back and never returned. I mentioned last night that I heard Obi asking someone "where's RJ?" I thought he might've gotten traded.
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Also did RJ seem engaged in the game or was he pissed off at not playing?
I was there as well. I saw Mitch on the bench but not RJ - but that makes sense as he was scratched because of illness (at least that's the official word). If he was contagious you wouldn't want him on the bench.
If I never hear DJ Sophia Rocks again, I'll be so happy. Not that she was bad or anything, but every fucking break..."NOW, 14-YEAR OLD, SOPHIA ROCKS. LET ME SEE YOUR BEST DANCE MOVES!"
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So while a lot of the things you guys are saying about him, especially lack of fit, are true, he is very young and still has several years to improve.
It Also does not help that he has a coach using Van Gundy’s offensive playbook from the 1990s
It doesnt matter what playbook you use, he wouldnt be a fit, he wouldnt fit in the warriors offense..
he is a 1 level scorer and a volume scorer at that..
We all ahted Randle last year because of his ineffeciemcy and iso, why does Rj get a pass with worse numbers?
He gets a pass because he is 22. He is a better player than either Brunsonor Randle was at the same age.
To me, the big problem on the Knicks is that the Ball movement is sometimes hesitant. Look at the way George whipped that pass to Batum. It was like a hockey one timer. On the Knicks it would have been a ball fake, a step toward the basket and the pass would have arrived late. When the Knicks are crisp they can play with anybody.
The second problem is the lack of a big man who can knock down a three . You need to put five guys on the floor who can hit a three, especially at the end when teams turn up the defensive intensity.
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So while a lot of the things you guys are saying about him, especially lack of fit, are true, he is very young and still has several years to improve.
It Also does not help that he has a coach using Van Gundy’s offensive playbook from the 1990s
It doesnt matter what playbook you use, he wouldnt be a fit, he wouldnt fit in the warriors offense..
he is a 1 level scorer and a volume scorer at that..
We all ahted Randle last year because of his ineffeciemcy and iso, why does Rj get a pass with worse numbers?
He gets a pass because he is 22. He is a better player than either Brunsonor Randle was at the same age.
To me, the big problem on the Knicks is that the Ball movement is sometimes hesitant. Look at the way George whipped that pass to Batum. It was like a hockey one timer. On the Knicks it would have been a ball fake, a step toward the basket and the pass would have arrived late. When the Knicks are crisp they can play with anybody.
The second problem is the lack of a big man who can knock down a three . You need to put five guys on the floor who can hit a three, especially at the end when teams turn up the defensive intensity.
By Randles 4th year he was averaging 17 PPG 3 assists and 8 rebounds at 55% shooting and he missed his entire rookie year..
The next year he was averaging 21 ppg..
Randle has been a good player for a long time..
Brunson's 4th year was last year and he was 16 and 5 over 50% shooting..
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.
I 100% concur,and I do think he has an injury to his knee (see his sleeve) that is effecting his play...
All we need is a first round exit and we'll be all set.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.
I agree this is a possibility but to call him the best player RIGHT NOW on the team is simply far removed from reality.
Does he have the highest upside? That is certainly an argument that could be made. There is a lot to like about his game, his drive and his character. However it is no guarantee he reaches his ceiling either.
As for right now he is a inefficient volume scorer whose defense has taken a step back. Randle aside from being quite an un-clutch player in crunch time is an absolute excellent #2 if we finally bring in a #1 to lead this team. A guy that he would inevitably have to defer to.
Never fails.
Never fails.
Add Giannis or Jokic to this roster, are we not winning a ring? See....a player away.
I wouldn't put it past RJ.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.
You honestly think RJ could be an all star in the next 4 years? Just look at the year Brunson is having and he didn't make the all star team. Look at some of the players who didnt make it, you really think he's capable of that?
Honest question- what is RJ Barrett really good at? What category compared to other players in the NBA?
You can excuse his play on his age or some mystery knee injury. But he's in his 4th season and honestly doesn't look to be improving or getting any better.
I'm not saying Fournier is better than him by any stretch. IU am saying right now game to game, he can be a better fit with the starters than Barrett. No reason they need to be so ridgid.
Not opposed to it but prefer one of the other names that have been linked ie Osman, Allen, Windler etc
Rose/Reddish/Fournier
for
Osman and Love (buy out Love who has an expiring deal), Windler
Knicks clear Fournier, add decent/solid Osman plus Windler and the wannabe contender but young Cavs add Reddish (who they apparently are interested in), good veteran presence Derrick Rose and some bench scoring in Reddish.
Jazz Notes
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The Utah Jazz and New York Knicks have had productive talks on an Obi Toppin deal. Hold up in talks to this point (flashback to the summer) has been Utah wanting an unprotected New York first round pick, NBA sources tell @UtahJazzNotes.
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@UtahJazzNotes
Knicks have only been willing to offer protected picks that they have acquired from other teams. Source said this being a sticking point has made talks "awkward" and "feels like groundhog day"
He's improved his 3 point shooting? He's shooting 32.7%
When you're Furkan Korkmaz you don't demand anything. You ask, nicely.
Jazz Notes
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The Utah Jazz and New York Knicks have had productive talks on an Obi Toppin deal. Hold up in talks to this point (flashback to the summer) has been Utah wanting an unprotected New York first round pick, NBA sources tell @UtahJazzNotes.
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@UtahJazzNotes
Knicks have only been willing to offer protected picks that they have acquired from other teams. Source said this being a sticking point has made talks "awkward" and "feels like groundhog day"
...Wait, what? They need some context. Why would we trade Obi and an unprotected first?
This is not someone that needs to be on the "drafted an 18 year old out of high school, six year development patience, is it?
I suspect it's related to the Beasley/Vanderbilt rumors involving Toppin, Fournier and the ever-vague "draft compensation."
Barrett is young and developing. Good this George was forced to stay away and doing so allowed a great Yankee core to develop. Stop trying to give the you away and just coach them up and give them time. How Obi plays 10 mins per game is criminal. You have a second team that can change the pace of the game in your favor like the drop of a hat but kicked to the curve to let one on one try to win the games.
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But no one knows what he will be in his prime in 4 years.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.
I agree this is a possibility but to call him the best player RIGHT NOW on the team is simply far removed from reality.
Does he have the highest upside? That is certainly an argument that could be made. There is a lot to like about his game, his drive and his character. However it is no guarantee he reaches his ceiling either.
As for right now he is a inefficient volume scorer whose defense has taken a step back. Randle aside from being quite an un-clutch player in crunch time is an absolute excellent #2 if we finally bring in a #1 to lead this team. A guy that he would inevitably have to defer to.
The best player was sarcasm damn you guys are too serious.
It was a dig at everyone wishing he was gone.
I know most knew it was.