Knicks coming off a brutal OT loss because of Nic fucking Batum
Tonight’s headlines are sure to be the Kyrie Whack job Irving trade
Trade deadline Thursday Feb 9
Trades I would love to make if I’m
Leon Rose. Just spitballing here
Knicks send RJ and Rose plus a first rounder to Toronto for OG and Otto porter
Salary match out
Knicks send Fournier and Hart and Obi and Reddish and draft capital to Chicago for Derozan and Patrick Williams
Salaries match
Williams and OG can play the 3 and 4
Derozan makes the bench a weapon if he agrees to come off bench.
Mitch
Randle
OG
Grimes
Brunson
Bench
Simms
Williams
Derozan
IQ
Rose/Reddish/Fournier
for
Osman and Love (buy out Love who has an expiring deal), Windler
Knicks clear Fournier, add decent/solid Osman plus Windler and the wannabe contender but young Cavs add Reddish (who they apparently are interested in), good veteran presence Derrick Rose and some bench scoring in Reddish.
Don't really see enough upside for the Knicks on this deal. I also don't mind keeping the contracts of Fournier and Rose around if a mega deal is out there in the next 12 months...
I am passing on those Jazz deals. If anything I want a pick coming back to the Knicks.
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But no one knows what he will be in his prime in 4 years.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.
You honestly think RJ could be an all star in the next 4 years? Just look at the year Brunson is having and he didn't make the all star team. Look at some of the players who didnt make it, you really think he's capable of that?
Honest question- what is RJ Barrett really good at? What category compared to other players in the NBA?
You can excuse his play on his age or some mystery knee injury. But he's in his 4th season and honestly doesn't look to be improving or getting any better.
I'm not saying Fournier is better than him by any stretch. IU am saying right now game to game, he can be a better fit with the starters than Barrett. No reason they need to be so ridgid.
I have no clue what he could be in 4 years but look at Brunson 4 years ago at 22.
Or Beal,Kawhi, or Lavine.
You have to give the kid a break and he has improved every year in the league, he works hard and that's why Thibs likes him so much.
All I am saying is chill out a bit
Toppin is 25 and a 9th overall pick and no one is running him out of town.
In our recent history he is the best top 10 pick we have had in what 20 years?
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says no?
Rose/Reddish/Fournier
for
Osman and Love (buy out Love who has an expiring deal), Windler
Knicks clear Fournier, add decent/solid Osman plus Windler and the wannabe contender but young Cavs add Reddish (who they apparently are interested in), good veteran presence Derrick Rose and some bench scoring in Reddish.
Don't really see enough upside for the Knicks on this deal. I also don't mind keeping the contracts of Fournier and Rose around if a mega deal is out there in the next 12 months...
I am passing on those Jazz deals. If anything I want a pick coming back to the Knicks.
Rose is going to be on the books in 12 months (team option for next season). In this deal the Knicks clear Fournier and give up Reddish (who won't be back), Rose (who won't be back) and land Osman a solid role player and Windler (a guy who has been injured but was a 1st round pick) with NBA talent. Enough upside? How much upside do you expect moving 2 expiring deals and Fournier's contract?
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In comment 16025866 DanMetroMan said:
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says no?
Rose/Reddish/Fournier
for
Osman and Love (buy out Love who has an expiring deal), Windler
Knicks clear Fournier, add decent/solid Osman plus Windler and the wannabe contender but young Cavs add Reddish (who they apparently are interested in), good veteran presence Derrick Rose and some bench scoring in Reddish.
Don't really see enough upside for the Knicks on this deal. I also don't mind keeping the contracts of Fournier and Rose around if a mega deal is out there in the next 12 months...
I am passing on those Jazz deals. If anything I want a pick coming back to the Knicks.
Rose is going to be on the books in 12 months (team option for next season). In this deal the Knicks clear Fournier and give up Reddish (who won't be back), Rose (who won't be back) and land Osman a solid role player and Windler (a guy who has been injured but was a 1st round pick) with NBA talent. Enough upside? How much upside do you expect moving 2 expiring deals and Fournier's contract?
Rose *isn't* going to be on the books in 12 months
Problem is you have to give away so many other pieces that you end up with a huge salary and can't get rid of it when you try to rebuild again. The coach doesn't even allow some players to play so you can get a better trade for them. He lets whatever value Cam was playing himself in to just vanish.
It always amazes me how the Hest are always in these conversations, yet have zero assets..same with the Lakers
He has not improved every year. He improved from year one to year two, and has been basically the same player since, only with worse defense.
and cant forget Ben Simmons lol
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shopping Lowry hard, Heat interested in Durant.
It always amazes me how the Hest are always in these conversations, yet have zero assets..same with the Lakers
I was about to say the same thing.
I wonder if they'd be willing to give up.... DUNCAN ROBINSON?
Jazz Notes
@UtahJazzNotes
The Utah Jazz and New York Knicks have had productive talks on an Obi Toppin deal. Hold up in talks to this point (flashback to the summer) has been Utah wanting an unprotected New York first round pick, NBA sources tell @UtahJazzNotes.
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@UtahJazzNotes
Knicks have only been willing to offer protected picks that they have acquired from other teams. Source said this being a sticking point has made talks "awkward" and "feels like groundhog day"
Oh really that’s been said here before.
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shopping Lowry hard, Heat interested in Durant.
It always amazes me how the Hest are always in these conversations, yet have zero assets..same with the Lakers
I was about to say the same thing.
I wonder if they'd be willing to give up.... DUNCAN ROBINSON?
Riley wants everyone to believe he's got his hands in every deal. They have nothing to sell. Sure he wants Durant. He has no bullets for that.
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But no one knows what he will be in his prime in 4 years.
Shots develop by repetition and he is a worker, he has improved his FT shooting, 3 point shooting his right hand and finishing at the rim this year. Also is working on a little turnaround in the lane.
Does he turn into a All-star I don't know, will he be here in 4 years IDK
All I can say is he bust his ass, he is resilient and takes the game
serious. I find it easy to root for the kid to be successful because he does it the right way.
BTW he was plus defender for his first 2 years I don't know why he fell off but it doesn't mean it won't go back.
You honestly think RJ could be an all star in the next 4 years? Just look at the year Brunson is having and he didn't make the all star team. Look at some of the players who didnt make it, you really think he's capable of that?
Honest question- what is RJ Barrett really good at? What category compared to other players in the NBA?
You can excuse his play on his age or some mystery knee injury. But he's in his 4th season and honestly doesn't look to be improving or getting any better.
I'm not saying Fournier is better than him by any stretch. IU am saying right now game to game, he can be a better fit with the starters than Barrett. No reason they need to be so ridgid.
I have no clue what he could be in 4 years but look at Brunson 4 years ago at 22.
Or Beal,Kawhi, or Lavine.
You have to give the kid a break and he has improved every year in the league, he works hard and that's why Thibs likes him so much.
All I am saying is chill out a bit
Toppin is 25 and a 9th overall pick and no one is running him out of town.
In our recent history he is the best top 10 pick we have had in what 20 years?
I dont mind the debate, but Beal and Lavine in their first four years still shot 38-40% from 3. That tool was there.
RJs offensive improvement (from the field but not from 3) has come at the cost of his defense.
I'm not sure what place there is in the NBA for a guy who needs high volume of shots to get his points and can't do it another way, but also isn't a defender. There's no situation where you want RJ taking lots of shots on this team. It's forced because he's there and they paid him.
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Official:
Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks.
Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney-Smith, 2029 first-round pick and two second-round picks in 2027 and 2029 to the Brooklyn Nets.
Lol
Walker Kessler 100% would be worth an unprotected #1
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The Nets and Raptors have discussed a Pascal Siakam trade, per
@MikeAScotto
The Raptors are interested in Nic Claxton
Ben Simmons and several first-round draft picks have also been discussed in trade conversations
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4 REBOUNDS
3 ASSISTS
15/29 FG
7/11 3PT
10/11 FT
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simmons or harris plus picks for 1 of the toronto F's is going to be what they zero in on. siakam is obviously the best one to get but not sure that's enough.
dont see them trading claxton and not sure they'd trade cam thomas either since he's the exact type of scorer they dont have otherwise. if its for siakam id give him up.
I don’t think Simmons is tradable right now without attaching assets to dump him. And it wouldn’t make sense for the Nets to do that right now
I am not sure he wants to play basketball anymore.
simmons or harris plus picks for 1 of the toronto F's is going to be what they zero in on. siakam is obviously the best one to get but not sure that's enough.
dont see them trading claxton and not sure they'd trade cam thomas either since he's the exact type of scorer they dont have otherwise. if its for siakam id give him up.
Yup i was confused looking at it because they dont have a 26 pick, but they have the sixers pick, they cant trsde their own 27
simmons or harris plus picks for 1 of the toronto F's is going to be what they zero in on. siakam is obviously the best one to get but not sure that's enough.
dont see them trading claxton and not sure they'd trade cam thomas either since he's the exact type of scorer they dont have otherwise. if its for siakam id give him up.
Windhorst has been pretty adamant that Simmons has negative value around the league right now. You're looking at attaching two first round picks just to clear his money.
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I'd trade an unprotected #1 for let alone throw Obi in. Maybe the way Markanen has played this year, but who knows if that's just a career year.
Walker Kessler 100% would be worth an unprotected #1
Yeah I thought about him but he's a rookie and there's no way they'd deal him so I didn't even include him in the mix.
@TheNBACentral
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“The Jazz are asking for too damn much,"
- NBA GM on trade talks with the Jazz 😅
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phi 27, their own 28 or 29, dallas 29.
simmons or harris plus picks for 1 of the toronto F's is going to be what they zero in on. siakam is obviously the best one to get but not sure that's enough.
dont see them trading claxton and not sure they'd trade cam thomas either since he's the exact type of scorer they dont have otherwise. if its for siakam id give him up.
Windhorst has been pretty adamant that Simmons has negative value around the league right now. You're looking at attaching two first round picks just to clear his money.
stein says toronto and brooklyn have talked about him and picks (https://hoopshype.com/2023/02/06/sources-nets-raptors-trade-talks-involve-pascal-siakam-ben-simmons-nic-claxton/).
toronto tried to get simmons in 2021 as a sixer and i think for some rebuilding team out there he's a worthwhile buy low if you have to salary match anyway. imo definitely better than taking on a contract like joe harris (who is just cooked).
whether or not toronto decides to go full rebuild i have no idea but ive seen people float SAS as the type of team that should roll the dice on simmons and i think that's right. he's still 26 and in a lower visibility environment there's obvious upside if he can keep working back towards what he was. he's had some good games for brooklyn but i think it's too much of a pressure cooker if they are trying to push for what may be their last run with kd.
One of the worst current contracts in the league.
that's why the best place for him is somewhere that's currently 20+ games under .500 and a small media market like SAS. for a team with no need for cap room it's a cheap gamble on a 26 year old 3x all star. when he's played his defense and transition game is still really good, he's just literally afraid to attack the basket consistently.
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regular season in Brooklyn behind 2 superstars (who are/were CONSTANTLY getting all of the media coverage) was/is too much for Simmons then what happens if/when his next team makes the playoffs? If Ben Simmons were a Knick the conversation would be NON-STOP, he's had a pretty easy ride all things considered.
that's why the best place for him is somewhere that's currently 20+ games under .500 and a small media market like SAS. for a team with no need for cap room it's a cheap gamble on a 26 year old 3x all star. when he's played his defense and transition game is still really good, he's just literally afraid to attack the basket consistently.
Its more than being afraid to attack the basket, he does absolutely nothing on offense. Can't shoot or won't shoot, doesn't screen well and doesn't even pass well anymore.
I don't think his defense or transition game is really good anymore. And that contract is really bad and long- the Spurs or anyone could easily better utilize that money/ space. That's not a cheap gamble and its not like he has the best attitude.
Maybe he returns to some of his old form but I think its doubtful with his age and attitude.
If I'm any team I would need a minimum of 2 1st round picks to even consider taking him and I'm still probably passing.
to me he's in a similar position to john collins where the return should be minimal and there's enough talent/youth to roll the dice on even if it's a lot of $. collins actually has 1 extra year under contract though similar total $.
to me he's in a similar position to john collins where the return should be minimal and there's enough talent/youth to roll the dice on even if it's a lot of $. collins actually has 1 extra year under contract though similar total $.
I don't know how could you compare Simmons to either of those guys.
Putting aside the on court issues Simmons has- he never plays and clearly doesn't want to play.
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but if it's essentially a tanking lotto team over the next year what difference does it make? you give him a shot next year and if it doesnt work after that he's just another expiring contract.
to me he's in a similar position to john collins where the return should be minimal and there's enough talent/youth to roll the dice on even if it's a lot of $. collins actually has 1 extra year under contract though similar total $.
I don't know how could you compare Simmons to either of those guys.
Putting aside the on court issues Simmons has- he never plays and clearly doesn't want to play.
simmons has played 1000 minutes this year and been a solidly positive defensive player. he has roughly 75m left over 2 years.
collins has played 1400 and been a negative value offensive and defensive player. he has roughly 75m left over 3 years.
i think you're misinterpreting the value im placing on either. the hawks have obviously tried unsuccessfully to move collins for more than a year, though the reports were their previous regime had unreasonable expectations.
my point is if you are a rebuilding team and you need to take back salary filler in any trade along with picks, wouldn't you rather that salary filler be a young player with upside as opposed to the typical mediocre journeyman in their late 20's/30's? even if they are expiring contracts who cares if you are a rebuilding team that's not planning to sign veterans in FA?
tl:dr "let's see what you can get done in the next 48 hours sean or im out in the summer"
the interesting dynamic is now phoenix, miami, and boston probably pump their breaks on dealing any FRPs.