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| Part of an NFL Offseason Predictions Article in the Athletic with 5 Prections: 4. Prediction: The Giants will not overcommit to Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley, giving themselves flexibility to draft a quarterback in 2024. I’m banking on the Giants signing both players for less than the franchise-tag values at their positions. Under this scenario, the team would use the franchise or transition tag to help leverage a workable multi-year deal with Barkley before free agency. At quarterback, the Giants would offer Jones a shorter-term deal at less than the $32 million annual average associated with the franchise tag. The team would be betting on Daboll’s ability to get more from a cheaper free-agent quarterback (or a rookie) if Jones thought he could find a better situation elsewhere. The hope would be that Jones might value Daboll’s role in his development sufficiently to accept such a deal. It all sounds so easy, but the Giants face a balancing act as they seek to reward Jones and Barkley for strong seasons while maintaining long-term flexibility. “For a team that is just getting out of cap trouble, they would be wise to slow-play it, but it is really hard to slow-play two guys,” another exec said. “When you are setting up a program, you want to send the right message to your players, to your coaches. The message is almost as important as the dollars.” - more linked below - Prediction 4 continues comparing the Giants situation with Barkley to the Rams Situation with RB Todd Gurley in 2017 |
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Or has it been pretty tight lipped?
It's quiet re: negotiations, but fans are overrating him relative to reality, from what I've heard. eg, 3/105 ballpark is much more realistic than 5/200.
I was thinking 4/135 or 4/140 (75 - 80M gtd) range with an easy out after 3 years.
But also an extra year of control at a reasonable number that can be used as leverage for an extension if warranted
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Some critics of Jones, after he and this team got to a place they said couldn’t happen, clinging to their narrative of Daniel by moving the goal posts.
I know it s difficult to admit you were wrong, but the fact that, Daniel whom many stated with authority would be a career as a back up, will soon be signing a 30+ million contract for a team, those same critics said he would never play for after this season, suggests you were indeed wrong
This was fun reading as well.
Didn't realize that the next few weeks will decide that all the critics were completely wrong and Daniel Jones future as a forever star NFL QB is being engraved in stone.
We will also need to examine your posts more closely to determine all the correct paths the NY Giants should take from now on with their players as well.
I think it s almost a fact he will be signing a contract north of 30 mill, also very good chance it s with the Giants. Rereading my posts I must have missed the part guaranteeing he d be a star, he might become one, but that wasn’t part of my post
Don’t get your reference to checking with me about paths the team should take in the future. Being correct about what they would do with Jones doesn’t qualify me for that, but thanks for the confidence
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Some critics of Jones, after he and this team got to a place they said couldn’t happen, clinging to their narrative of Daniel by moving the goal posts.
I know it s difficult to admit you were wrong, but the fact that, Daniel whom many stated with authority would be a career as a back up, will soon be signing a 30+ million contract for a team, those same critics said he would never play for after this season, suggests you were indeed wrong
Lol. Yes, he doesn't suck and he has improved a lot. But if he gets the contract you all are so insistent he deserves, then he will just join the group of grossly overpaid above average to good quarterbacks with flawed teams who are not good enough to win a Superbowl. Cousins, Tanehill, Carr, Prescott, Goff, Murray, Jones.
Let's not forget that the Eagles were the beneficiary of the Titans being forced to trade Brown because they could not afford to keep him. Guess who has by far the biggest cap hit on their team?
I pray he takes a huge jump next year, but I am not holding my breath. But no one is allowed to complain about the pieces around DJ once he gets his contract.
Stating he will get it is not the same as saying he deserves it.
I obviously think he is better than his detractors, and his play this season will get him the money. Whether it ends up being the correct decision has yet to be determined.
Obviously the Giants have seen enough to want to bring him back
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Not sure I would lean on this source.
What I have said is that QBs can be assessed in isolation from their context, and that Jones' isolated traits aren't elite. I also said that he would have better production with better coaching/weapons but he would remain essentially the same QB with the same deficits. Finally, I have said, don't expect an enormous bump in production when surroundings get better, and so far, I'm right, hello 15 TD passes in 16 games. And if we add better wide outs, I say, Jones will not throw 35 TDs.
QBs do not have to elite traits, there are very few who do.
It is ultimately the combination of the traits that can make a player great.
Brady by his own admission has stated that he did not have any one elite ability. And his lack of elite traits dropped him to the 6th round of the draft.
But he is the GOAT.
And bye the way Jones does have a great trait. He is among the top three running QBs in the league.
I believe that Jones will create 30 or more tds next year. Jones had 7 rushing TDs along with his 15 passing TDs for a total of 22 tds. You have conveniently left out the 7 rushing TDs when you degrade his scoring. I guess it does not help your narrative.
You do not like Daniel Jones so you take every opportunity to attack his ability, traits, and potential.
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What I have said is that QBs can be assessed in isolation from their context, and that Jones' isolated traits aren't elite. I also said that he would have better production with better coaching/weapons but he would remain essentially the same QB with the same deficits. Finally, I have said, don't expect an enormous bump in production when surroundings get better, and so far, I'm right, hello 15 TD passes in 16 games. And if we add better wide outs, I say, Jones will not throw 35 TDs.
QBs do not have to elite traits, there are very few who do.
It is ultimately the combination of the traits that can make a player great.
Brady by his own admission has stated that he did not have any one elite ability. And his lack of elite traits dropped him to the 6th round of the draft.
But he is the GOAT.
And bye the way Jones does have a great trait. He is among the top three running QBs in the league.
I believe that Jones will create 30 or more tds next year. Jones had 7 rushing TDs along with his 15 passing TDs for a total of 22 tds. You have conveniently left out the 7 rushing TDs when you degrade his scoring. I guess it does not help your narrative.
You do not like Daniel Jones so you take every opportunity to attack his ability, traits, and potential.
Agreed on all points. He showed he can florush in this offense and made the right plays more often than not. Even created off script when the line blocked well enough for him to escape. At least to the best of what his supporting cast could give him. Get him anything near what Jalen Hurts had and he is going to look just as good as Jalen did.
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Some critics of Jones, after he and this team got to a place they said couldn’t happen, clinging to their narrative of Daniel by moving the goal posts.
I know it s difficult to admit you were wrong, but the fact that, Daniel whom many stated with authority would be a career as a back up, will soon be signing a 30+ million contract for a team, those same critics said he would never play for after this season, suggests you were indeed wrong
This was fun reading as well.
Didn't realize that the next few weeks will decide that all the critics were completely wrong and Daniel Jones future as a forever star NFL QB is being engraved in stone.
We will also need to examine your posts more closely to determine all the correct paths the NY Giants should take from now on with their players as well.
I think it s almost a fact he will be signing a contract north of 30 mill, also very good chance it s with the Giants. Rereading my posts I must have missed the part guaranteeing he d be a star, he might become one, but that wasn’t part of my post
Then I must have missed the part why it’s not okay to question giving a player who is not a star a contract north of $30 mill.
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What I have said is that QBs can be assessed in isolation from their context, and that Jones' isolated traits aren't elite. I also said that he would have better production with better coaching/weapons but he would remain essentially the same QB with the same deficits. Finally, I have said, don't expect an enormous bump in production when surroundings get better, and so far, I'm right, hello 15 TD passes in 16 games. And if we add better wide outs, I say, Jones will not throw 35 TDs.
I believe that Jones will create 30 or more tds next year. Jones had 7 rushing TDs along with his 15 passing TDs for a total of 22 tds. You have conveniently left out the 7 rushing TDs when you degrade his scoring. I guess it does not help your narrative.
He better create more than 30 TDs next year. You can add in the 7 rushing TDs. Jones had 22 total touchdowns. Mahomes had 45.
Mahomes' contract averages $45M per year. We are discussing Daniel Jones getting $40M per year. That doesn't seem utterly absurd to you?
He better create more than 30 TDs next year. You can add in the 7 rushing TDs. Jones had 22 total touchdowns. Mahomes had 45.
Mahomes' contract averages $45M per year. We are discussing Daniel Jones getting $40M per year. That doesn't seem utterly absurd to you?
Very few, if any, are advocating Jones getting $40 mill per. And once Jones gets the weapons Mahomes has, maybe he will get to 35 TDs. Most people are talking close to the tag level up to maybe $35 mill. That is what starting NFL QBs get paid - like it or not.
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He better create more than 30 TDs next year. You can add in the 7 rushing TDs. Jones had 22 total touchdowns. Mahomes had 45.
Mahomes' contract averages $45M per year. We are discussing Daniel Jones getting $40M per year. That doesn't seem utterly absurd to you?
Very few, if any, are advocating Jones getting $40 mill per. And once Jones gets the weapons Mahomes has, maybe he will get to 35 TDs. Most people are talking close to the tag level up to maybe $35 mill. That is what starting NFL QBs get paid - like it or not.
Then tag him. He isn't worth $35M per year either.
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comparing it to Cousins in Minn, Smith in Seattle, and "Daboll's ability to get more out of a lesser QB."
Daboll, the career failure before Buffalo, makes more with “lesser” QBs, like Josh Allen, a #5 overall draft pick, and Daniel Jones, a #6 overall draft pick. It’s an interesting take.
Career failure? You are such a fucking clown.
Natties at Bama and rings with NE don’t count. If they did, then Joe Judge would be considered an esteemed coach. Who did he “coach up” in his various stints as an OC before he got to work with elite talent?
Well, they sure as shit don't count as failures either.
$35 year one, 37.5 year two, and $40 year three
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That's where I am. Jones played well but it brought him up to average passer, plus runner, imv. Now is now the time to commit big to Jones.
Jones is an average passer? LOL..
Yep.
Not surprising, given you believed DJ was a goner after this year, didn’t believe Daboll would elevate his play as some of us believed he would, that he had too many flaws to be a franchise guy. You totally whiffed on him and so your concession to the year he’s had is to say he elevated himself to just an average passer now? Even Joey, who arguably knows more than anyone on this board has completely come around, completely seen and bought into his skillset and admitted he was totally wrong on DJ..And no, at no time has he said DJ was/is a great QB, just one we could win with moving forward, esp. with added pieces. You don’t have to be great or elite to get to/win a SB
The emotion behind this post.
Right? And to think of all the pearl clutching over Terps' comparatively neutral posts.
$35 year one, 37.5 year two, and $40 year three
Just don’t get the three year contracts. Is he the guy or nor. If not then giving a three year $37.5m AAV contract to a guy you don’t believe in is a big mistake . It’s nuts, actually. If he is the guy then only giving him a three year contract and giving him a 2nd bit at the apple in probably two years and certainly three is also a mistake. And if this is based on you not being sure about DJ then I doubt Schoen shares you uncertainly one way or the other.
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Some critics of Jones, after he and this team got to a place they said couldn’t happen, clinging to their narrative of Daniel by moving the goal posts.
I know it s difficult to admit you were wrong, but the fact that, Daniel whom many stated with authority would be a career as a back up, will soon be signing a 30+ million contract for a team, those same critics said he would never play for after this season, suggests you were indeed wrong
This was fun reading as well.
Didn't realize that the next few weeks will decide that all the critics were completely wrong and Daniel Jones future as a forever star NFL QB is being engraved in stone.
We will also need to examine your posts more closely to determine all the correct paths the NY Giants should take from now on with their players as well.
I think it s almost a fact he will be signing a contract north of 30 mill, also very good chance it s with the Giants. Rereading my posts I must have missed the part guaranteeing he d be a star, he might become one, but that wasn’t part of my post
Then I must have missed the part why it’s not okay to question giving a player who is not a star a contract north of $30 mill.
I thought the discussion was about whether the Giants thought he was worth that money. Didn’t realize it was about you.
How about a five year contract, that the Giants can get out of after 2-3 years if needed? Of course, including those terms would likely bump up the dollars.
Personally, with his upward trending results with one of the lowest ranked olines (pass blocking specifically) and the worst group of WRs, I believe he ended up 2022 as top 10/15 QB easily. So yes, imagine if he had Jalen Hurst #1 oline and top 5 WRs? You don’t have to be a genius to see the obvious. Daboll knows.
Right? And to think of all the pearl clutching over Terps' comparatively neutral posts.
Show me one neutral post/thread by Terps on Jones...
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they will offer $112.5 for three years
$35 year one, 37.5 year two, and $40 year three
Just don’t get the three year contracts. Is he the guy or nor. If not then giving a three year $37.5m AAV contract to a guy you don’t believe in is a big mistake . It’s nuts, actually. If he is the guy then only giving him a three year contract and giving him a 2nd bit at the apple in probably two years and certainly three is also a mistake. And if this is based on you not being sure about DJ then I doubt Schoen shares you uncertainly one way or the other.
The 3 year idea is because we don’t know whether Jones is the guy but also know he may be the guy. Your assertion that Schoen knows one way or the other other is just that, an assertion.
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they will offer $112.5 for three years
$35 year one, 37.5 year two, and $40 year three
Just don’t get the three year contracts. Is he the guy or nor. If not then giving a three year $37.5m AAV contract to a guy you don’t believe in is a big mistake . It’s nuts, actually. If he is the guy then only giving him a three year contract and giving him a 2nd bit at the apple in probably two years and certainly three is also a mistake. And if this is based on you not being sure about DJ then I doubt Schoen shares you uncertainly one way or the other.
I asked you yesterday about this - why is black and white the only options? Schoen operates almost exclusively in between, as does any GM. There are tremendous risks with not bringing Jones back, just can’t gloss over that. Jones is 100% a proven starting NFL QB at this point, the question is how good and that why there’s uncertainty with cost and deal length.
You can’t operate in the “give him the biggest contract at the position because he’s your guy or nothing at all” space. It’s Madden world.
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they will offer $112.5 for three years
$35 year one, 37.5 year two, and $40 year three
Just don’t get the three year contracts. Is he the guy or nor. If not then giving a three year $37.5m AAV contract to a guy you don’t believe in is a big mistake . It’s nuts, actually. If he is the guy then only giving him a three year contract and giving him a 2nd bit at the apple in probably two years and certainly three is also a mistake. And if this is based on you not being sure about DJ then I doubt Schoen shares you uncertainly one way or the other.
The 3 year idea is because we don’t know whether Jones is the guy but also know he may be the guy. Your assertion that Schoen knows one way or the other other is just that, an assertion.
The other point is that "it takes two to tango." I think Schoen would love a 2 year deal if he could get it. I think Jones' agents want 4/5 years.
Three years is the middle. Something along the line of 2 years guaranteed and a third year bump up may be the sweet spot. The Giants could let Jones go after the 2nd year if he stagnates, but keep him and extend if he takes the next step(s) in the 3rd year.
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Some critics of Jones, after he and this team got to a place they said couldn’t happen, clinging to their narrative of Daniel by moving the goal posts.
I know it s difficult to admit you were wrong, but the fact that, Daniel whom many stated with authority would be a career as a back up, will soon be signing a 30+ million contract for a team, those same critics said he would never play for after this season, suggests you were indeed wrong
This was fun reading as well.
Didn't realize that the next few weeks will decide that all the critics were completely wrong and Daniel Jones future as a forever star NFL QB is being engraved in stone.
We will also need to examine your posts more closely to determine all the correct paths the NY Giants should take from now on with their players as well.
I think it s almost a fact he will be signing a contract north of 30 mill, also very good chance it s with the Giants. Rereading my posts I must have missed the part guaranteeing he d be a star, he might become one, but that wasn’t part of my post
Then I must have missed the part why it’s not okay to question giving a player who is not a star a contract north of $30 mill.
I thought the discussion was about whether the Giants thought he was worth that money. Didn’t realize it was about you.
Pretty sure this call-out post of yours attempted to open up the discussion up to a larger group...no?
Absent the guarantees, it's not a vote of confidence or commitment to the player. It's a bargaining win by the team in exchange for cash upfront.
Team Jones doesn't want a 5 year deal unless at least years 3 and 4 have mechanisms to make it hard for the Giants to cut him and his new cash compensation is pegged to cap inflation.
Absent the guarantees, it's not a vote of confidence or commitment to the player. It's a bargaining win by the team in exchange for cash upfront.
Team Jones doesn't want a 5 year deal unless at least years 3 and 4 have mechanisms to make it hard for the Giants to cut him and his new cash compensation is pegged to cap inflation.
If the agreed to contract is looked at in the right way meaning amount of gtd $$$ ,AAV etc. it will tell us quite a bit of what the Giants currently think of DJ.
Absent the guarantees, it's not a vote of confidence or commitment to the player. It's a bargaining win by the team in exchange for cash upfront.
Team Jones doesn't want a 5 year deal unless at least years 3 and 4 have mechanisms to make it hard for the Giants to cut him and his new cash compensation is pegged to cap inflation.
And therein, lies the rub...
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they will offer $112.5 for three years
$35 year one, 37.5 year two, and $40 year three
Just don’t get the three year contracts. Is he the guy or nor. If not then giving a three year $37.5m AAV contract to a guy you don’t believe in is a big mistake . It’s nuts, actually. If he is the guy then only giving him a three year contract and giving him a 2nd bit at the apple in probably two years and certainly three is also a mistake. And if this is based on you not being sure about DJ then I doubt Schoen shares you uncertainly one way or the other.
I asked you yesterday about this - why is black and white the only options? Schoen operates almost exclusively in between, as does any GM. There are tremendous risks with not bringing Jones back, just can’t gloss over that. Jones is 100% a proven starting NFL QB at this point, the question is how good and that why there’s uncertainty with cost and deal length.
You can’t operate in the “give him the biggest contract at the position because he’s your guy or nothing at all” space. It’s Madden world.
Sorry I missed your reply. The 3 year deal hinges on this “the question is how good and that why there’s uncertainty with cost and deal length.” I addressed that in my post when I said “And if this is based on you not being sure about DJ then I doubt Schoen shares your uncertainly one way or the other.“. The idea that Schoen/Daboll don’t know for certain one way or the other about Jones I just don’t believe is true. Four years in the league, one year under their management and they didn’t know? Then we have the wrong leadership. We may not know but they do and because of that the 3 year deal doesn’t make sense for the reasons I explained.
Absent the guarantees, it's not a vote of confidence or commitment to the player. It's a bargaining win by the team in exchange for cash upfront.
Team Jones doesn't want a 5 year deal unless at least years 3 and 4 have mechanisms to make it hard for the Giants to cut him and his new cash compensation is pegged to cap inflation.
This. I think both sides are likely on the same page in terms of what tier DJ is in, the whole negotiation will hinge around team or player control. If Team Jones is dug in on these protections that deep into the deal and the Giants are dug in on some kind of early hedge, then that's where I can see the tag coming into play. I don't think this will be about contract/player value which I think is where most fans and the national media (local media is very sharp on this imo) are focused on. If the Giants are genuine in wanting to get a deal done with Jones, then they know exactly what waters they're swimming in and I don't think Team Jones is going to dig in for 2nd tier franchise QB money (Dak and Murray at the time of signing).
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they will offer $112.5 for three years
$35 year one, 37.5 year two, and $40 year three
Just don’t get the three year contracts. Is he the guy or nor. If not then giving a three year $37.5m AAV contract to a guy you don’t believe in is a big mistake . It’s nuts, actually. If he is the guy then only giving him a three year contract and giving him a 2nd bit at the apple in probably two years and certainly three is also a mistake. And if this is based on you not being sure about DJ then I doubt Schoen shares you uncertainly one way or the other.
I asked you yesterday about this - why is black and white the only options? Schoen operates almost exclusively in between, as does any GM. There are tremendous risks with not bringing Jones back, just can’t gloss over that. Jones is 100% a proven starting NFL QB at this point, the question is how good and that why there’s uncertainty with cost and deal length.
You can’t operate in the “give him the biggest contract at the position because he’s your guy or nothing at all” space. It’s Madden world.
Pretty hard to have a new and exciting argument after a few hundred threads and tens of thousands of posts on the same subject....ha ha.
You don’t think there are teams out there that would give DJ a 5 year deal. I think there are a number of them. That’s the reality of the market. DJ, his agent and Joe Schoen all know that. And that flexibility you think is important works against the team if they are committed to him. Top guys at a lot of positions get four and five year deals all the time. They are hardly outliers in the NFL. Roquan Smith got 5/100 but they are going to tell DJ they only want to commit to three. Doesn’t seem likely to me.
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other than the top guys who are the list of QBs that GMs are dying to give 5+ year deals to? It’s a short list. Any GM would love to stay flexible if possible (which isn’t really as much of a need if you have a Mahomes or Allen or Burrow). But 25+ other teams would love 2-3 year deals for their QBs, IMO. Doesn’t mean they don’t believe in them it means they are trying to keep risk low and remain flexible. That’s why the is he or is he not our guy argument doesn’t apply in most cases because the answer is usually yes, but how cheap can we get this?
You don’t think there are teams out there that would give DJ a 5 year deal. I think there are a number of them. That’s the reality of the market. DJ, his agent and Joe Schoen all know that. And that flexibility you think is important works against the team if they are committed to him. Top guys at a lot of positions get four and five year deals all the time. They are hardly outliers in the NFL. Roquan Smith got 5/100 but they are going to tell DJ they only want to commit to three. Doesn’t seem likely to me.
You might be right. You could just as well be wrong. It's a market. And markets don't operate as you suggest. Jones has obvious flaws and comes with risk. He may be too risky at this moment for any team to commit 5 years or the kind of money some are talking about. Just because X player got years or dollars doesn't mean Jones gets it. He has some upside, sure. But we know he is not universally loved, and his game carries significant risk. You don't get to have Daboll as a package with Jones.
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other than the top guys who are the list of QBs that GMs are dying to give 5+ year deals to? It’s a short list. Any GM would love to stay flexible if possible (which isn’t really as much of a need if you have a Mahomes or Allen or Burrow). But 25+ other teams would love 2-3 year deals for their QBs, IMO. Doesn’t mean they don’t believe in them it means they are trying to keep risk low and remain flexible. That’s why the is he or is he not our guy argument doesn’t apply in most cases because the answer is usually yes, but how cheap can we get this?
You don’t think there are teams out there that would give DJ a 5 year deal. I think there are a number of them. That’s the reality of the market. DJ, his agent and Joe Schoen all know that. And that flexibility you think is important works against the team if they are committed to him. Top guys at a lot of positions get four and five year deals all the time. They are hardly outliers in the NFL. Roquan Smith got 5/100 but they are going to tell DJ they only want to commit to three. Doesn’t seem likely to me.
The key is your statement that "Top guys at a lot of positions get four and five year deals all the time". Do you actually think Daniel Jones, DANIEL JOINES, is a "top guy"? C'mon man.
On that note, If NYG finally gets better receivers there will be many more opportunities to make plays even against better defenses.
On that note, If NYG finally gets better receivers there will be many more opportunities to make plays even against better defenses.
Minny was the worst pass D in the league. They also have slow LBs which dramatically opened QB runs for Jones. Adding better WRs will not turn every defense they meet into the Vikings. There is a lot of wishful thinking on this board.
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Because the WRs won on a ton more routes. All year when there was an actual opportunity to make a play or even create one, DJ did a great job in doing so more often than not.
On that note, If NYG finally gets better receivers there will be many more opportunities to make plays even against better defenses.
Minny was the worst pass D in the league. They also have slow LBs which dramatically opened QB runs for Jones. Adding better WRs will not turn every defense they meet into the Vikings. There is a lot of wishful thinking on this board.
I do wonder at what point the light bulb will turn on for you fwith DJ. My guess is you'll need to see him win a Superbowl. It was the same with some for Eli. They just couldn't see the intangibles beforehand.
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Because the WRs won on a ton more routes. All year when there was an actual opportunity to make a play or even create one, DJ did a great job in doing so more often than not.
On that note, If NYG finally gets better receivers there will be many more opportunities to make plays even against better defenses.
Minny was the worst pass D in the league. They also have slow LBs which dramatically opened QB runs for Jones. Adding better WRs will not turn every defense they meet into the Vikings. There is a lot of wishful thinking on this board.
I do wonder at what point the light bulb will turn on for you fwith DJ. My guess is you'll need to see him win a Superbowl. It was the same with some for Eli. They just couldn't see the intangibles beforehand.
Jones could not consistently perform in a vertical passing attack even though he had two offensive gurus guiding him. Imagine that. You're guessing he will develop this trait. I am guessing no. He will not become a different QB.
I believe the tag option is not in any way on the table. What did I read here the other day. Only two QBs have played on the tag in the last 30 years. DJ isn’t going to be the third. And whether he gets to FA or not that still sets the market. This is your franchise QB. You can’t tag him or force him to take a below market contract. That just is not done.
Agreed on pass pro, but the eye test and yea leaves suggest that’s not the case at WR. Schoen seems very willing to upgrade WR and Sy has made many comments recently about the gap in talent. It’s clearly a big need.
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of course I do, but those teams would be bidding on him in Free Agency and don’t have the tag at their disposal. To an extend the Giants are only competing with themselves since they own the right to tag (multiple times if they want to). Unrestricted Free Agency is a completely different ballgame.
I believe the tag option is not in any way on the table. What did I read here the other day. Only two QBs have played on the tag in the last 30 years. DJ isn’t going to be the third. And whether he gets to FA or not that still sets the market. This is your franchise QB. You can’t tag him or force him to take a below market contract. That just is not done.
Well if they tag him or hold the line on a deal you think is "below market" you have your answer to the question: do the Giants view Jones as a franchise QB?
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of course I do, but those teams would be bidding on him in Free Agency and don’t have the tag at their disposal. To an extend the Giants are only competing with themselves since they own the right to tag (multiple times if they want to). Unrestricted Free Agency is a completely different ballgame.
I believe the tag option is not in any way on the table. What did I read here the other day. Only two QBs have played on the tag in the last 30 years. DJ isn’t going to be the third. And whether he gets to FA or not that still sets the market. This is your franchise QB. You can’t tag him or force him to take a below market contract. That just is not done.
Jones has gone against what history has shown quite a lot so far, not sure it matters. And the threat of the tag will be there until it isn’t (a deal or we let him walk). It’s a massive negotiating tactics that only we have.
I think there’s a solid chance he can be the third. If he’s dead set on a 5 year deal with a ton guaranteed I actually think the odds are he gets tagged.
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of course I do, but those teams would be bidding on him in Free Agency and don’t have the tag at their disposal. To an extend the Giants are only competing with themselves since they own the right to tag (multiple times if they want to). Unrestricted Free Agency is a completely different ballgame.
I believe the tag option is not in any way on the table. What did I read here the other day. Only two QBs have played on the tag in the last 30 years. DJ isn’t going to be the third. And whether he gets to FA or not that still sets the market. This is your franchise QB. You can’t tag him or force him to take a below market contract. That just is not done.
Jones has gone against what history has shown quite a lot so far, not sure it matters. And the threat of the tag will be there until it isn’t (a deal or we let him walk). It’s a massive negotiating tactics that only we have.
I think there’s a solid chance he can be the third. If he’s dead set on a 5 year deal with a ton guaranteed I actually think the odds are he gets tagged.
You do understand that if you tag him and he no shows at even OTAs (much less training camp or half the season) that blows up the franchise and becomes the biggest story in the league. It also probably blows up Schoen as GM. That a negotiating tactic only he has. No GM takes that risk.
As I said before the Tag is there until it isn’t regardless of what you think of it as a tool. If Jones wants to call Schoens bluff I think he will lose.
By the way Connor Hughes from SNY says he will be tagged if a deal isn’t completed, so take that for whatever it’s worth (he’s not the first person to make that claim).
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You do understand that if you tag him and he no shows at even OTAs (much less training camp or half the season) that blows up the franchise and becomes the biggest story in the league. It also probably blows up Schoen as GM. That a negotiating tactic only he has. No GM takes that risk.
Hyperbole much? If Daniel Jones is tagged and holds out (which he will NEVER do) it doesn't blow up the franchise. That's laughable.
Jones could not consistently perform in a vertical passing attack even though he had two offensive gurus guiding him. Imagine that. You're guessing he will develop this trait. I am guessing no. He will not become a different QB.
What are you talking about? 1st - he was what(?) #1 in his rookie year in deep ball accuracy. 2nd - And he wasn't asked to throw deep last year..
So as usual, you are spewing complete BS. Why do you feel the need to just spout stuff that is either irrelevant or just false?
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You do understand that if you tag him and he no shows at even OTAs (much less training camp or half the season) that blows up the franchise and becomes the biggest story in the league. It also probably blows up Schoen as GM. That a negotiating tactic only he has. No GM takes that risk.
Hyperbole much? If Daniel Jones is tagged and holds out (which he will NEVER do) it doesn't blow up the franchise. That's laughable.
What will never be done is putting your franchise QB on a tag. And I don’t know what you would call having a $32m hit on your salary cap and having no QB but I don’t think it’s too far from blown up. And you know jack about what DJ will NEVER do.
You boys are cute.