Anyone catch last nights game?
Halak got the W in OT. Shouldn't have even gone to OT after Mangiapane kicked a goal in.
Trouba laid absolutely TWO MONSTER hits that were clean and nasty.
Lafreniere scored the GWG in OT. Happy for the kid. I said it about 5 games ago he looked noticeably different out there and skating with more confidence. In those 5 games he has 5 points (2G/3A)
Unfortunately the Devils won last night as well in OT.
Have no idea what Kadri was doing. But Trouba took him to the cleaners.
Chytil has emerged as the Rangers best player. Quick release and he can put the puck anywhere.
Chytil is en fuego. Who woulda thunk that he’d outshine both Kakko and Laf? Chytil and K’Andre should be extended long-term.
Chytil is en fuego. Who woulda thunk that he’d outshine both Kakko and Laf? Chytil and K’Andre should be extended long-term.
To be fair, Chytil was drafted in 2017. I'm excited to see the growth and steps Kakko and Laf take. I'm going to be upset if they trade away a piece of the kid line.
If Igor (who is playing fine) can raise his level to last year's level, we are going to be a tough out.
I shudder to imagine what Hughes would be if he had played against men like Kakko.
Then stay the hell off Ranger threads. Post a devil thread so you get the 10 that might actually read it. No one gives a shit about that team.
In general, you should only give longterm deals to first liners and first pairing dmen. Guys like Fox, Ziba and Panarin.
It boggles the mind that Trocheck got 7 years and a NMC.Those type of moves haunt you for a decade.
Agree on the kids, full stop. Chytil was teasing us for years with his burst past d-men, then being unable to finish. That was the biggest, recurring lament. Now? He has been sniping up a storm. Love it.
And Kakko is doing so many small, smart things on ice, possession, nifty, smart passes...he is a motor. If Drury sends him away in some 'big' deal, enuf!!
Meanwhile, the older, richer guys like CK (and even Bread dare I say it?) are inspiring me not at all.
1st period was a lollapalooza. But credit on refs on Blais, they took back the call. But discredit the refs, or Toronto, on that Mangiapanne goal, could it have been more obvious?
CHP, I'm terrified about what Drury is going to do at the deadline.
Benching Gauthier for Blais was stupid.
Under Gallant this team has been very mediocre 5v5.
They really have to labor for goals more than maybe their talent suggests that they need to.
In any event another scorer emerging for this team can only help. Chytil looks like he xould become a 30 goal scorer which would be much needed because Kreiders career year looks like something he may not come close to matching again and Panny doesn't shoot as much in this offense like he did in Quinn's system.
Laffy showing a heartbeat lately has me very cautiously optimistic too. You would have hoed to see more signs from Kakko and Laffy by now to give you hope they can become more than just ordinary scorers in the NHL.
Trouba with 2 clean monster hits
It was a fun game to watch but I hope going forward they tighten up the D.
Forwards need to get the backcheck working
Good to see Laf not only score the GW but the way he raced down and made that whole play happen was good to see.
Benching Gauthier for Blais was stupid.
Me too.
btw, on Calgary's 1st goal, Panarin could have stopped the entry on the near boards, but he just didn't muscle enough and get his stick on the puck before Flames' F nudged it in. Not glaring, but the small stuff he does not do as a checker--never mind CK--is maddening.
And, if you haven't seen these stats that Mercogliano included in his column yesterday, not confidence inspiring.
https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2023/02/06/projected-lineup-ny-rangers-focused-on-the-most-important-stat-wins/69871527007/If you can't unpack it, will post some clips
1. Mangiapane's goal should not have counted. That's consistently been called a kicking motion for years now
2. I hate when guy's have to answer with fighting for clean hits, though obviously Trouba had no problem obliging them and taking care of business. I may not like the Rangers at all but its always nice to see some old time hockey eh
Is it worth one of those guys unless they can sign Meier long term? Probably not, unless they have gotten to a point where they just don't believe either Kakko or Laffy are going to develop into bonafide 30+ goals scorers themselves.
If Mangiapane's "goal" wasn't a distinct kicking motion, then just scrap the rule because nothing is a kick if that wasn't.
If Mangiapane's "goal" wasn't a distinct kicking motion, then just scrap the rule because nothing is a kick if that wasn't.
It wasn't an overly exaggerated kicking motion but he definitely extended the leg on that one. Very, very poor call.
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...I'm terrified about what Drury is going to do at the deadline.
Benching Gauthier for Blais was stupid.
Me too.
btw, on Calgary's 1st goal, Panarin could have stopped the entry on the near boards, but he just didn't muscle enough and get his stick on the puck before Flames' F nudged it in. Not glaring, but the small stuff he does not do as a checker--never mind CK--is maddening.
And, if you haven't seen these stats that Mercogliano included in his column yesterday, not confidence inspiring.
https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2023/02/06/projected-lineup-ny-rangers-focused-on-the-most-important-stat-wins/69871527007/If you can't unpack it, will post some clips
I hate to be negative given the recent run, but Panarin is having an off-year (and probably declining given his age). It's a big reason for those mediocre offensive numbers.
Regarding Meier, I want him badly, I said on yesterday’s thread I think he is the missing piece for this team, but I don’t want Lafreniere, Kakko, or Chytil going the other way. If San Jose could settle for Kravtsov, a 1st, and maybe a B prospect, pull the trigger, if you think you can keep him long-term. That is the challenge though. I was hoping to get Chytil signed for a 5x4.5 type deal, but the way he’s playing, if he can keep it going, his agent is going to be pushing for 5.5-6M AAV. Regardless, as long as he continues to grow, this could be the first time in my lifetime that the Rangers’ C depth is among the league’s best.
Is it worth one of those guys unless they can sign Meier long term? Probably not, unless they have gotten to a point where they just don't believe either Kakko or Laffy are going to develop into bonafide 30+ goals scorers themselves.
The Kid line is showing year-to-year progress and promise. Drury breaks it up at the franchise's peril at the risk of yet another overpay for a vet, and not saying Meier is not worth a hard look. Drury has to figure out a way to make any such deal work without weakening a fulcrum of the team as presently constructed. His deal making acumen has not shone to date.
I don't know why anyone thought he wouldn't. He wasn't likely to score 40 again, let alone 50.
In general, you should only give longterm deals to first liners and first pairing dmen. Guys like Fox, Ziba and Panarin.
It boggles the mind that Trocheck got 7 years and a NMC.Those type of moves haunt you for a decade.
Trouba is being paid like an elite defenseman. THAT is the contract you should be complaining about. They only defensemen making 8+ mil are the best of the best and a collection of players (eg Seth Jones) that you ask who the hell gave them that contract?
Prior to the trade deadline last season, I read quite a bit about Panarin being in decline as a 5v5 player. Then they put actual top 6 talent on his line and all of a sudden his numbers took off again. Funny how that happens. I expect to see the same when they acquire an actual RW1 instead of resorting to using guys like Vesey.
Great win last night, especially after the league office shit it’s pants on the kicked goal. I wish GG would stop fucking with the lines. The lines are almost the same as a month ago, when he blew them up because of 2 bad periods.
CK is simply returning to his career norms. Unfortunately last year looks like an aberration relative to the rest of his career.
We really need some combination of these youngsters to step up.
Or make the trade for Timo Meier
the problem with Trochek and all the other top $$ contracts they have is that they all have no move clauses.
Chris Kreider:
Full no move to 2024
2024-2026: 15 team no trade list
Jacob Trouba:
2020-2023- NMC
2024-2025- 15 team no trade list
2025-2026- 12 team no trade list
Vincent Trocheck:
2025-2026- 12 team no trade list
2026-2027- 10 team no trade list
2027-2029- 6 team no trade list
Panarin and Mika are the only outliers with full no moves for the duration of their deals (Mika has a provision where 7 days prior to the trade deadline in his last year, it becomes a 21 team no trade list).
It's not unusual for deals to have these at the frontend to avoid the player from being dealt a year after signing a deal in a location he picked:
Bo Horvat with Isles:
2023-2026- Full No Trade clause
2027-2030- 16 team no trade list
Johnny Gaudreau:
2022-2026- No movement clause
2026-2028- 10 team no trade
Just as two recent examples.
great info. thanks for posting it.
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Kids are really growing before our eyes. CK is in my mind regressing
CK is simply returning to his career norms. Unfortunately last year looks like an aberration relative to the rest of his career.
We really need some combination of these youngsters to step up.
Or make the trade for Timo Meier
Maybe I was hoping he would rise his game to a higher level
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Kids are really growing before our eyes. CK is in my mind regressing
CK is simply returning to his career norms. Unfortunately last year looks like an aberration relative to the rest of his career.
We really need some combination of these youngsters to step up.
Or make the trade for Timo Meier
Maybe I was hoping he would rise his game to a higher level
You and me both bro.Chytil is becoming more than we thought he could be while we are still waiting on Kakko, Laffy and even Panarin to provide more scoring punch. I don’t want to give up on Othmann but for Timo I might part with one of Laffy or Kakko.
I think it’s more likely that the Rangers are playing against Meier in the first round at this point, than it is that he is playing for them at that time.
If so, say 3 years into the contract San Jose is tearing it up. Can the player waive the right to not be moved there?
I think it’s more likely that the Rangers are playing against Meier in the first round at this point, than it is that he is playing for them at that time.
Ya Carolina and NJD -- hell, probably even Detroit -- can offer more appealing prospects than Kravstov without selling off there top guys. If Dury wants Meier he has to be prepared to offer up Grier's preference of Kakko or Laf.
And his Swiss buddies are on the west side of the Hudson.
If so, say 3 years into the contract San Jose is tearing it up. Can the player waive the right to not be moved there?
depends on how it is worded in the contract. Some contracts require the player to provide the last before the season, other contracts it is provided on demand by the team (usually around the deadline) or some it's required during the AS break - for example.
pj, isn't it more straight forward? I would think a party to an agreement can at any time waive a provision that operates in his favor and is restrictive to the other party.
And his Swiss buddies are on the west side of the Hudson.
How much less than 10 is he taking on a new deal anyways?
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depends on how it is worded in the contract. Some contracts require the player to provide the last before the season, other contracts it is provided on demand by the team (usually around the deadline) or some it's required during the AS break - for example.
pj, isn't it more straight forward? I would think a party to an agreement can at any time waive a provision that operates in his favor and is restrictive to the other party.
they can and often do waive NTC provisions, but from what I have read so often trades do in fact get blocked by a player.
Many players do not want to play for Canadian teams for a variety of reasons, and some vice versa. Some players only want warm weather teams or some players simply do not like certain teams/cities.
there is no one standard for the requirement of the submission and updating of NTC team lists.
Most often it is an annual requirement and most contracts have language that says if no new list is provided in the current year the old list is valid.
Others require a list on demand at the trade deadline each year (if needed).
And to your point, sometimes the player is simply asked to waive any NTC provisions once a trade is being discussed in principle with a team that is on their block list and many times they do waive it.
but it's not simple or straightforward. and from what I read more often than any of us knows, trades do in fact get blocked and not usually because of standings (or just because of standings) but because of locations/teams.
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depends on how it is worded in the contract. Some contracts require the player to provide the last before the season, other contracts it is provided on demand by the team (usually around the deadline) or some it's required during the AS break - for example.
pj, isn't it more straight forward? I would think a party to an agreement can at any time waive a provision that operates in his favor and is restrictive to the other party.
they can and often do waive NTC provisions, but from what I have read so often trades do in fact get blocked by a player.
Many players do not want to play for Canadian teams for a variety of reasons, and some vice versa. Some players only want warm weather teams or some players simply do not like certain teams/cities.
there is no one standard for the requirement of the submission and updating of NTC team lists.
Most often it is an annual requirement and most contracts have language that says if no new list is provided in the current year the old list is valid.
Others require a list on demand at the trade deadline each year (if needed).
And to your point, sometimes the player is simply asked to waive any NTC provisions once a trade is being discussed in principle with a team that is on their block list and many times they do waive it.
but it's not simple or straightforward. and from what I read more often than any of us knows, trades do in fact get blocked and not usually because of standings (or just because of standings) but because of locations/teams.
NTC -- also gives player leverage to demand cash payment to waive and permit trade to go through. Unless a player is super pleased by the proposed destination he will require compensation to waive. It is why a lot of agents include them, not just so their guy doesn't end up in the plains of western Canada.
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Meier will have a major say in where (if) he ends up. Unless the acquiring team has the cap space and the appetite to offer the $10MM QO he has coming, or is willing to pay a steep price for a pure three month rental, Meier can kneecap trade discussions with any organization he refuses to sign long-term with.
And his Swiss buddies are on the west side of the Hudson.
How much less than 10 is he taking on a new deal anyways?
Most think that he would take an AAV between 8.5 and 9.5 if term is acceptable.
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Then stay the hell off Ranger threads. Post a devil thread so you get the 10 that might actually read it. No one gives a shit about that team.
Devils -- with their NHL youth and truly sick pipeline coming -- are set up to contend for Cups for the next 5-7 years. Rangers not so much.
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...I'm terrified about what Drury is going to do at the deadline.
Benching Gauthier for Blais was stupid.
Me too.
btw, on Calgary's 1st goal, Panarin could have stopped the entry on the near boards, but he just didn't muscle enough and get his stick on the puck before Flames' F nudged it in. Not glaring, but the small stuff he does not do as a checker--never mind CK--is maddening.
And, if you haven't seen these stats that Mercogliano included in his column yesterday, not confidence inspiring.
https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2023/02/06/projected-lineup-ny-rangers-focused-on-the-most-important-stat-wins/69871527007/If you can't unpack it, will post some clips
I hate to be negative given the recent run, but Panarin is having an off-year (and probably declining given his age). It's a big reason for those mediocre offensive numbers.
Bratt is what Ranger fans wish Panarin to be. But that ship has sailed. At least his cap hit is minimal (not).
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Then stay the hell off Ranger threads. Post a devil thread so you get the 10 that might actually read it. No one gives a shit about that team.
Devils -- with their NHL youth and truly sick pipeline coming -- are set up to contend for Cups for the next 5-7 years. Rangers not so much.
Not a true statement. Any sports fan that ever thinks they are "set" is not a true fan. 5-7 years is a long time. A lot of RFAs and UFAs up next year.
Rangers are probably set up to have the most long term success.
True enough, but it's the rest of his game that gets under my skin, or rather the 'not rest of his game', because there's no there there. It's as if he figured his once-in-a-lifetime 50 gave him a lifetime sinecure not to be required to forecheck, back check, and generally be positionally responsible.
Devils have the better young player among the two teams in Jack Hughes (though Fox is not that far behind) and the Devils have the better prospects in the pipeline, but the Rangers have figured out goalie and not sure the Devils have and you only need to look at EDM to see how talent can be torpedoed by poor goalie play - especially in the playoffs.
NJD is getting solid play in net now, but will it be solid playoff play? Who knows?
Devils have the better young player among the two teams in Jack Hughes (though Fox is not that far behind) and the Devils have the better prospects in the pipeline, but the Rangers have figured out goalie and not sure the Devils have and you only need to look at EDM to see how talent can be torpedoed by poor goalie play - especially in the playoffs.
NJD is getting solid play in net now, but will it be solid playoff play? Who knows?
Boomer on NHL Radio today:
“The Devils are set up to win for the next ten years. Cap-wise, age-wise, skill-wise they are positioned for the long term better than anyone else. And the Hughes and Hischier long-term deals are so team-friendly they have an enviable amount of flexibility.”
His partner Jason:
“If I could pick any situation in the league for the next 5-10 years it’d be New Jersey, no question.”
Both agree that if you can get and sign Meier that fits in with the team build and is a wise move. But both also believe that NJD should not be looking at rentals, since their current window is barely opening, and Luke Hughes and Nemec haven’t even hit their locker room.
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are both set up for long-term success.
Devils have the better young player among the two teams in Jack Hughes (though Fox is not that far behind) and the Devils have the better prospects in the pipeline, but the Rangers have figured out goalie and not sure the Devils have and you only need to look at EDM to see how talent can be torpedoed by poor goalie play - especially in the playoffs.
NJD is getting solid play in net now, but will it be solid playoff play? Who knows?
Boomer on NHL Radio today:
“The Devils are set up to win for the next ten years. Cap-wise, age-wise, skill-wise they are positioned for the long term better than anyone else. And the Hughes and Hischier long-term deals are so team-friendly they have an enviable amount of flexibility.”
His partner Jason:
“If I could pick any situation in the league for the next 5-10 years it’d be New Jersey, no question.”
Both agree that if you can get and sign Meier that fits in with the team build and is a wise move. But both also believe that NJD should not be looking at rentals, since their current window is barely opening, and Luke Hughes and Nemec haven’t even hit their locker room.
My only argument is goalie.
I gave the Oilers example of where you can have all the talent on the planet, it's hard to win in the playoffs without an elite goalie.
for that reason if I were a 26/27 year old in FA and had a say in it and money is identical I'd probably go the Rangers instead, Igor can carry a team in ways Vanecek has not proven he can.
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are both set up for long-term success.
Devils have the better young player among the two teams in Jack Hughes (though Fox is not that far behind) and the Devils have the better prospects in the pipeline, but the Rangers have figured out goalie and not sure the Devils have and you only need to look at EDM to see how talent can be torpedoed by poor goalie play - especially in the playoffs.
NJD is getting solid play in net now, but will it be solid playoff play? Who knows?
Boomer on NHL Radio today:
“The Devils are set up to win for the next ten years. Cap-wise, age-wise, skill-wise they are positioned for the long term better than anyone else. And the Hughes and Hischier long-term deals are so team-friendly they have an enviable amount of flexibility.”
His partner Jason:
“If I could pick any situation in the league for the next 5-10 years it’d be New Jersey, no question.”
Both agree that if you can get and sign Meier that fits in with the team build and is a wise move. But both also believe that NJD should not be looking at rentals, since their current window is barely opening, and Luke Hughes and Nemec haven’t even hit their locker room.
My only argument is goalie.
I gave the Oilers example of where you can have all the talent on the planet, it's hard to win in the playoffs without an elite goalie.
for that reason if I were a 26/27 year old in FA and had a say in it and money is identical I'd probably go the Rangers instead, Igor can carry a team in ways Vanecek has not proven he can.
I hear your point about net, but with all due respect I actually don't think the Oilers are a good analogy.
Edmonton has the best player in the world, and a top 5 player in the world, but their salaries leave the roster super thin elsewhere.
The Oilers have not come up short in the McDavid era because of a whole in goal. They have never had any D, and their forward depth has fallen off in the bottom 6 year after year. They have never been a goalie short of a championship, and aren't now.
The Devils' talent is actually spread out over the roster much more efficiently than the McDavid Oilers. Yes, they could use (and are apparently pursuing) another top-6 winger. But their depth up and down the lineup -- young, emerging depth -- and their prospect pipeline (ranked second overall by The Athletic just this week, behind only Minnesota's) are two things Edmonton can't even touch.
Vanacek has been solid, but maybe he regresses a bit. Still, the Devils have two good prospects in net (Schmid and Daws) who could step up if VV falters. And Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, L. Hughes, Nemec, Mercer, etc. will be in their primes when Shesterken, Panarin, Kreider, Mika are on the back 9.
Rangers def have more reliable goalkeeping now and likely for the next couple of years, but over the next 7-10 that advantage isn't really material.
their D wasn't great, but their goalie was the bigger problem.
And besides McDavid and Draisaitl, they had Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Zach Hyman, Evander Kane, a solid 3rd line.
You could argue COL was a better team, but you can't rationally argue their secondary scoring or depth was why they lost to the Av's. Goalie was their biggest problem.