You could actually answer "no" to this question if you believe the "aliens" are actually us, say some many thousands of years in the future travelling back in time.
Humor, no doubt will follow, have at it.
I'd really like to hear your thoughts though
TIA BBI!
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in Ruwa, Zimbabwe from September 1994...
In short, a craft landed at a school in rural Zimbabwe, two beings were witnessed by school children, young to old, black and white, girls and boys. 60 + kids. Their stories haven't changed in all this time.
I have spoken with Emily Trim who is featured in two documentaries. She feels strongly that the beings they saw were being shows to them, as if their perception was being manipulated. One of the school kids who was only a few feet away, what stuck with her most was that one being who was down on the ground appeared to their right. It would move from right to the left, but then it would immediately reappear to the right again and move to the left again, this happened at least three times. To me, this indicates at least some manipulation with perception, relaity etc...
I'm going to have to be really cryptic here. But I've had a conversation with someone who I talked with for a few hours, and this person is a someone. Military background, like me, and we had that in common, and for whatever reason, he started sharing. There was definitely some crazy shit going on in his personal life at the time. At any rate, he told me things about UFO's, signals from outer space received, and teams with super duper secret squirrel activities that are on the UFO/alien stuff.
Also said that all the Hollywood alien movies exist in part to slowly bring humanity to acceptance of the inevitable.
I get it...sounds crazy. I thought he was crazy, literally thought he was a bullshitter who liked to tell fanciful stories about himself for his own ego or entertainment or to make friends, who knows. But...then I did some background research on him, and I immediately became a believer in everything he said.
I've always been curious about this.
"Slowly bring humanity to the acceptance of [ the existence of aliens]"...
For a lack of a better term, I'll use The Powers That Be (TPTB). I've heard this theory before that TPTB use the media and entertainment to gradually condition us to accept the existence of extra terrestrials.
What would happen if tomorrow governments around the world admit there is existence of aliens? Assuming TPTB want to gradually condition us, what are their greatest fears releasing this information? OR what are their greatest motivators for releasing this information?
It’s a good point. It’s very human of us to expect another entity, etc. to have some sort of physical presence just like us.
I was driving back from Montreal in March. It was about 10:30 at night and as it was March in Vermont, the trees were still bare. I was about 20 minutes from home, driving south on Route 7 and up ahead on my left was Lake Arrowhead in Milton. I noticed far ahead, a light in the sky. It was a deep orange. I kept looking at it and as I am driving trees are getting in the way but I can see it through the trees far off.
I speed up because I think this light is over Lake Arrowhead and I want to get there to see it without the trees. I start to notice more of the lights about 100 feet over the water of the lake. Finally, I get to where Lake Arrowhead is and I pull over right in front of another car which also has pulled over. I get out and at this point there are maybe 5 of these lights. I turn around and see the car behind me and the driver is standing there watching. I run back to him and ask him 'what are we looking at' and he said 'I have no idea, man'.
These lights were balls of light. Orange in color and were maybe a foot across or so, no structure to them, no physical anything just deep orange light. I was careful to look at the light itself in all of the orbs, it didn't flicker, wobble or anything like that. Just a steady light. I looked carefully above each light to see if maybe there was a balloon above them, nothing that I could see.
More and more of these orbs came out from behind a ridge, over the dam at the south end of the lake and out over the open water. I put my palms out to figure where the direction of the breeze was coming from and it was coming from east. These orbs were moving in a north easterly direction headed at a 45 degree angle into the breeze.
I went back to my car and stood there watching. The orbs would wink out periodically and more would show up. After 5 minutes I headed home. My drive home took me up over a ridge that looked down below to the general area where I saw the orbs and I could see a few of them down in this little valley.
Could they have been Chinese Lanterns? Possibly. But I saw no structure to them, the light was even, no flickering and they were moving 45 degrees into the wind. And I must have seen over 15 of them. Who is setting off Chinese Lanterns on a weeknight at 10:30/11 PM in the middle of nowhere? Could they have been glowsticks hanging beneath balloons? I didnt see anything like a balloon above any of these lights. Again, it looked like a fuzzy ball of deep orange light.
Did these orbs move in an interesting way? Nope. They pretty much moved in a straight line over the dam and out over open water and would wink out. So, the movement isn't what made me take notice. It was just the nature of the light, the amount, the movement headed into the wind at an angle. It felt...odd.
I wish I had seen a classic saucer in a field in daylight, but this is the nature of my sighting without embellishment. Who knows what it was.
Late one night (1973 or 1974) she was driving my sister and I home from our aunt's house, heading north up the Taconic State Parkway (from Shrub Oak to Putnam Valley). She said my younger sister and I were looking out the back window at a flying saucer following us. She looked in the rear view mirror and saw something bright in the sky and it appeared to, if not be following our car specifically, it was certainly traveling the direction of the parkway. She was frightened and sped (something she never, ever did, my mother religiously followed the speed limit) to get us home ASAP. She said the newspaper the next day had a story on it, there were numerous other witnesses and the police departments in the area had been flooded with calls. I honestly wish I could remember it. As a teenager I used to stare into the night sky always hoping I'd be able to see a UFO of some sort. Hasn't happened since.
My other story is also second hand, but it's one that has changed my view on the life-beyond-Earth possibility.
A year or two after I graduated college (probably around 1992 or 1993) I was catching up with an old friend I hadn't seen in a couple of years. We'd grown up together and went to different colleges. So while we were reminiscing, bs'ing about life and whatever, she tells me this story that I still remember as clearly as if it were last night.
In school she was friends with a guy studying engineering on an ROTC scholarship. He graduated ahead of her and entered the Air Force. One time when he came home on leave they were talking one night and he told her a story about this time when an officer came and took him and two other engineers off their post. He said they were blindfolded, flown to an unknown location, put in a closed hangar without windows and shown a craft of some sort and told to "figure out how it works" They were never told it's origin or purpose, they were just told to try and reverse engineer it (which they never could).
He told her he believed it was an extraterrestrial craft and was haunted by the thought of aliens present on a base somewhere. He also told her "believe anything you see on TV." That was a direct reference to the low budget and often half-baked alien and UFO shows that used to be prevalent on cable TV in the late 1980s and early 1990s. According to him, they were real.
I used to be a fan of the Ancient Aliens series when it first came out. The first couple of seasons seemed thought provoking to me. I remember there being one that focused on occurrences in the lower Hudson Valley where I did much of my growing up.
Late one night (1973 or 1974) she was driving my sister and I home from our aunt's house, heading north up the Taconic State Parkway (from Shrub Oak to Putnam Valley). She said my younger sister and I were looking out the back window at a flying saucer following us. She looked in the rear view mirror and saw something bright in the sky and it appeared to, if not be following our car specifically, it was certainly traveling the direction of the parkway. She was frightened and sped (something she never, ever did, my mother religiously followed the speed limit) to get us home ASAP. She said the newspaper the next day had a story on it, there were numerous other witnesses and the police departments in the area had been flooded with calls. I honestly wish I could remember it. As a teenager I used to stare into the night sky always hoping I'd be able to see a UFO of some sort. Hasn't happened since.
My other story is also second hand, but it's one that has changed my view on the life-beyond-Earth possibility.
A year or two after I graduated college (probably around 1992 or 1993) I was catching up with an old friend I hadn't seen in a couple of years. We'd grown up together and went to different colleges. So while we were reminiscing, bs'ing about life and whatever, she tells me this story that I still remember as clearly as if it were last night.
In school she was friends with a guy studying engineering on an ROTC scholarship. He graduated ahead of her and entered the Air Force. One time when he came home on leave they were talking one night and he told her a story about this time when an officer came and took him and two other engineers off their post. He said they were blindfolded, flown to an unknown location, put in a closed hangar without windows and shown a craft of some sort and told to "figure out how it works" They were never told it's origin or purpose, they were just told to try and reverse engineer it (which they never could).
He told her he believed it was an extraterrestrial craft and was haunted by the thought of aliens present on a base somewhere. He also told her "believe anything you see on TV." That was a direct reference to the low budget and often half-baked alien and UFO shows that used to be prevalent on cable TV in the late 1980s and early 1990s. According to him, they were real.
I used to be a fan of the Ancient Aliens series when it first came out. The first couple of seasons seemed thought provoking to me. I remember there being one that focused on occurrences in the lower Hudson Valley where I did much of my growing up.
The second story actually sounds like Tom Delong's story from Sekret Machines, which is supposed to be written based on true events. As for tv/movies, yes, Spielberg was said to have been closely guided by people in the know when he directed close encounters
I was driving back from Montreal in March. It was about 10:30 at night and as it was March in Vermont, the trees were still bare. I was about 20 minutes from home, driving south on Route 7 and up ahead on my left was Lake Arrowhead in Milton. I noticed far ahead, a light in the sky. It was a deep orange. I kept looking at it and as I am driving trees are getting in the way but I can see it through the trees far off.
I speed up because I think this light is over Lake Arrowhead and I want to get there to see it without the trees. I start to notice more of the lights about 100 feet over the water of the lake. Finally, I get to where Lake Arrowhead is and I pull over right in front of another car which also has pulled over. I get out and at this point there are maybe 5 of these lights. I turn around and see the car behind me and the driver is standing there watching. I run back to him and ask him 'what are we looking at' and he said 'I have no idea, man'.
These lights were balls of light. Orange in color and were maybe a foot across or so, no structure to them, no physical anything just deep orange light. I was careful to look at the light itself in all of the orbs, it didn't flicker, wobble or anything like that. Just a steady light. I looked carefully above each light to see if maybe there was a balloon above them, nothing that I could see.
More and more of these orbs came out from behind a ridge, over the dam at the south end of the lake and out over the open water. I put my palms out to figure where the direction of the breeze was coming from and it was coming from east. These orbs were moving in a north easterly direction headed at a 45 degree angle into the breeze.
I went back to my car and stood there watching. The orbs would wink out periodically and more would show up. After 5 minutes I headed home. My drive home took me up over a ridge that looked down below to the general area where I saw the orbs and I could see a few of them down in this little valley.
Could they have been Chinese Lanterns? Possibly. But I saw no structure to them, the light was even, no flickering and they were moving 45 degrees into the wind. And I must have seen over 15 of them. Who is setting off Chinese Lanterns on a weeknight at 10:30/11 PM in the middle of nowhere? Could they have been glowsticks hanging beneath balloons? I didnt see anything like a balloon above any of these lights. Again, it looked like a fuzzy ball of deep orange light.
Did these orbs move in an interesting way? Nope. They pretty much moved in a straight line over the dam and out over open water and would wink out. So, the movement isn't what made me take notice. It was just the nature of the light, the amount, the movement headed into the wind at an angle. It felt...odd.
I wish I had seen a classic saucer in a field in daylight, but this is the nature of my sighting without embellishment. Who knows what it was.
Thank you for sharing!
I bust my ass all night making crop circles and this is all the appreciation I get from BBI. Well nanu nanu and good-bye!!
My view is there's lots more that we don't know then we do know. I love the disconnect between quantum mechanics and classical physics and when I deep dive past what my little monkey brain can conceive, not a lot of what we know makes sense.
I have no doubt that there is probably intelligent life somewhere in the universe. What that looks like I don't know. I do know that if it did traveled great time and distance to get here, it would take one look at us and determine that there was no intelligent life on this planet.
Besides, Bigfoot would kick their asses.
I was away at college when that was going on, I remember my sister telling me about it when I came home one of those summers. I think some kids at Mahopac HS saw it once.
I would love to hear/read more about the experiences of both of you. Would it be ok to be included?
I have emailed Bold Ruler my stories and some pathetic drawings. He may be able to figure out how to post them or email to interested folks. Fine with me
As I drove fairly slowly up this road, I saw some very bright lights ahead on my left. The lights weren't very high in the sky and at first I thought it was a very brightly lit house on a hill. As I got closer, I noticed the lights were moving (so it wasn't a house).
The lights were moving slowly towards me, so I pulled over to the side of the road. I rolled down my window and shut off my engine. IIRC there were 3 bright lights in shape of a triangle (possibly with a 4th light of a different color in the middle).
It went almost directly over me and it wasn't that high above me (if I had to guess it was less than 1000 ft). What freaked me out was how slowly it was moving without making any noise, unlike anything I knew of that could move anything like that (helicopter, hot air balloon, Harrier).
About maybe a minute after it passed over me, it disappeared. I chose to not try to follow it. It kind of freaked me out and about 25 years later, I still don't know what the heck it was.
Additionally, humans aren't the only creatures on the planet that behave cruelly out of ignorance or fear. Are they coming to us exclusively because of our superior intelligence and they have hopes of showing us the way? How can we argue that, when the whole basis of this conversation is that these beings are so far advanced that we can't even comprehend their existence? By that logic, wouldn't we be indecipherable from a mosquito?
The Hollywood theory mentioned here is one of the more crazy posts, sorry. Movies are made to make money. The storylines follow the proven arcs and cues that we naturally gravitate towards. If you think Miramax is making movies to prepare for an inevitable encounter, I have a few billion reasons to argue against that. That is some tinfoil hat stuff.
I'm on board with the idea that, if there is something else out there, they're capable of far more than we can understand, and their consciousness and dimensions are so foreign that I won't even attempt to wrap my head around them. I won't even scoff at the idea that, if they exist, they've been here... but to simplify, I see it as if I were to take a cross country drive. At some point I probably would pass a salamander. But I didn't visit the salamander. It's a simplistic analogy, but it's the only one I can come up with to come close to articulating the sheer irrelevance of humanity in a cosmic sense, especially to an entity or entities with the advancement to literally pierce through dimensions.
Now the has to be other beings out there that are so far advanced that we can't fathom their technology. Also it's likely that they are able to travel via wormholes.
...Consciousness and nuts and bolts crafts are not mutually exclusive. The US Department of Defense has acknowledged that what military aviators and radar operators are seeing is real. These are crafts that are being picked up on radar that in one case dropped from 80,000 feet to 50 feet above sea level in 1.5 seconds. It's not an error, it's not swamp gas, its real actual phenomenon. The US DoD also acknowledges it's not ours. So that leaves two options...
Maybe I just missed when that happened, but I think you might be vastly overstating what the US gov't has conceded about the evidence.
I know they acknowledged the videos themselves were real. Did they ever go beyond that to concede specifics of "real actual phenomenon" actually happening or just that they appear to be happening? I mean, did they even go so far as to concede they are "crafts" as you imply?
Riley Martin?
Ahhhhh...And things of that nature...
I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech.
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It is nonetheless completely plausible that we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy and maybe the universe, at least at this moment in time. The Milky Way Galaxy has 100-400 billion stars, and at least as many planets. (We have discovered about 5,000 exoplanets so far.)
The problem is that it is very easy to quickly get that number to zero planets that harbor intelligent life capable of traversing the galaxy. Arguments for aliens that include other dimensions and time travel are implausible IMO.
Wasn't that one where one of the people involved admitted it was a hoax?
So I was a freshman in High School. Small town. We had about 250 in my graduating class. Kennedy had been shot 2 years earlier and the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan a few months later.
I played HS football and wore #70 (Sam Huff was my hero). The space race was on and I was fascinated by all of it. When I was younger, the newspapers would publish the times when the Echo
satellite would be overhead and my Dad would take me out in the field behind our house to view it. I built a telescope from a kit and was interested in astronomy.
Just to emphasize I was familiar with the night sky. And I was a pretty normal 14 year old kid…. years before I had encountered weed, beer and other fun stuff.
As I think about it, I think it’s more likely it was fall 65. Not sure why I was out that night. I had a friend that lived in the area and I might have been headed home. It was a school night, so not too late.
I might have been drawn out by the newspaper articles about UFO sightings, but I doubt it. If so I would have brought my telescope.
Where I saw the UFO out my back door and through a patch of woods and across a field to a dirt road that was parallel to my street. No street light or nearby houses.
So I am standing on the dirt road facing another street… maybe 60 yards away. The street and the road form a V that meet at an intersection to the right. There is an unobstructed open field between.
I see the object gliding above the houses and trees of the street…. following the path of the street. It is quite low, maybe 75-100 feet and totally silent. Faster than I can run, but it it has a straight gliding path.
It is maybe 25-30 feet long. Looks more like a hat than a saucer. the lower cigar shaped base is illuminated white, but its fuzzy or hazy with non-defined edges. The top is illuminated red, takes up about a third the width and
double the height of the base. The red light is pulsating, not blinking and has clearly defined edges and definition. A striking combination. Absolutely silent.
I turn and run towards the intersection. As I near the intersection, the object turns right, climbs, and is gone in an instant.
I ran home and told my parents. I wanted to call the police or the newspaper. My Dad told me in no uncertain terms that that was not happening. No son of his was going to embarrass him publicly with
flying saucer stories.
The next morning the local newspaper was filled with stories and reports of sightings.
Interestingly, the “Incident at Exeter” happened in the same time period.
I subsequently began reading everything thing I could find on UFOs, Bigfoot, etc.
That’s my story and I’m sticking with it.
I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech. Link - ( New Window )
If one had a secret craft, why would you be flying it at low altitude in a very populated area? In daylight?
I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech. Link - ( New Window )
I wouldn't be shocked if what i saw was a govt secret project, but i also wouldn't be surprised that it was reverse engineered from an ET craft.
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I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech. Link - ( New Window )
I wouldn't be shocked if what i saw was a govt secret project, but i also wouldn't be surprised that it was reverse engineered from an ET craft.
The black triangles are quite puzzling. If they are Earth based tech, it flies in the face of the use of every other secret plane ever developed. Whether it was the B2 or the Stealth Figyter etc... they were tested exclusively over Neavada test ranges and never over population centers.
He saw something similar to what many of us have seen, i.e., bright lights, silent slow moving/hovering craft that suddenly accelerates and disappears. It freaked him out, just like what I saw almost 30 years later did me.
Additionally, humans aren't the only creatures on the planet that behave cruelly out of ignorance or fear. Are they coming to us exclusively because of our superior intelligence and they have hopes of showing us the way? How can we argue that, when the whole basis of this conversation is that these beings are so far advanced that we can't even comprehend their existence? By that logic, wouldn't we be indecipherable from a mosquito?
I'd highly recommend reading Dimensions by Jacques Vallee (basically an updated version of his most famous work Passport to Magonia). He has interviewed hundreds of credible witnesses/experiencers (not fame seeking, seemingly not crazy, good community standing) and lays out a great case that something has been here for as long as people have, their purpose is unknown, and they are intentionally deceptive/confusing/absurd. He asks a lot of the same questions you are asking and also logically rules out scientific study as the reason for their visitation. His theory is that it is some kind of system of control. I personally don't assume that the intention is benevolent.
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I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech. Link - ( New Window )
I wouldn't be shocked if what i saw was a govt secret project, but i also wouldn't be surprised that it was reverse engineered from an ET craft.
The black triangles are quite puzzling. If they are Earth based tech, it flies in the face of the use of every other secret plane ever developed. Whether it was the B2 or the Stealth Figyter etc... they were tested exclusively over Neavada test ranges and never over population centers.
I can't say for sure that the craft I saw was triangular. It was a very dark night and it was not a well lit road (pretty rural area between towns, even though only ~30 miles from Phila.). I don't recall seeing the outline of the craft, just that the lights formed a triangle.
The craft might have been saucer shaped, in fact I think that's what I assumed at the time (but could've been wrong).
Wish I had a camera with me at the time.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
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I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech. Link - ( New Window )
I wouldn't be shocked if what i saw was a govt secret project, but i also wouldn't be surprised that it was reverse engineered from an ET craft.
The black triangles are quite puzzling. If they are Earth based tech, it flies in the face of the use of every other secret plane ever developed. Whether it was the B2 or the Stealth Figyter etc... they were tested exclusively over Neavada test ranges and never over population centers.
I can't say for sure that the craft I saw was triangular. It was a very dark night and it was not a well lit road (pretty rural area between towns, even though only ~30 miles from Phila.). I don't recall seeing the outline of the craft, just that the lights formed a triangle.
The craft might have been saucer shaped, in fact I think that's what I assumed at the time (but could've been wrong).
Wish I had a camera with me at the time.
Phoenix Lights are another well known example of a "large triangular" UFO.
I have lived on or around military bases all my adult life. I have seen exotic and experimental air vehicles (rotary, jet, rigid structure and remotely piloted) day and night. Lights are very disorienting, particularly in complete darkness. Depth perception and even physically defined movement in three dimensional space is distorted. There is one phenomenon that may explain silent movement in the night time. Not often, but on rare occasion, military and commercial jet air vehicles have flown close or directly overhead without making a sound. They were lighted and I could identify them and they flew a linear path. There are atmospheric conditions and ground features that disrupt sound. The first couple of times I experienced this, it was disorienting.
I try looking for red and green lights. All aircraft and vessels operating at night have position lights that don't blink. In the direction of travel, red light on the left side and green light on the right side. At night, you can't always see both lights and the bright landing lights and navigation lighting are disorienting.
This question gets asked a lot. I don't have the answer per se, but my working theory is essentially the same reason human made craft have lights. To be seen.
Additionally, humans aren't the only creatures on the planet that behave cruelly out of ignorance or fear. Are they coming to us exclusively because of our superior intelligence and they have hopes of showing us the way? How can we argue that, when the whole basis of this conversation is that these beings are so far advanced that we can't even comprehend their existence? By that logic, wouldn't we be indecipherable from a mosquito?
The Hollywood theory mentioned here is one of the more crazy posts, sorry. Movies are made to make money. The storylines follow the proven arcs and cues that we naturally gravitate towards. If you think Miramax is making movies to prepare for an inevitable encounter, I have a few billion reasons to argue against that. That is some tinfoil hat stuff.
I'm on board with the idea that, if there is something else out there, they're capable of far more than we can understand, and their consciousness and dimensions are so foreign that I won't even attempt to wrap my head around them. I won't even scoff at the idea that, if they exist, they've been here... but to simplify, I see it as if I were to take a cross country drive. At some point I probably would pass a salamander. But I didn't visit the salamander. It's a simplistic analogy, but it's the only one I can come up with to come close to articulating the sheer irrelevance of humanity in a cosmic sense, especially to an entity or entities with the advancement to literally pierce through dimensions.
with you on that one...we are mostly inconsequential in their view.....
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case depicted in "Fire in the Sky"? He and his co-workers supposedly passed polygraph tests.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
"their story has also never changed"
You mean other than when the one guy admitting it was all a hoax?
You used a similar line to describe the kids in the Ariel School incident, even though there were a bunch of aspects of their story that changed over time (like the telepathic message that was supposedly sent to them, but no one mentioned until weeks later).
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case depicted in "Fire in the Sky"? He and his co-workers supposedly passed polygraph tests.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
"their story has also never changed"
You mean other than when the one guy admitting it was all a hoax?
You used a similar line to describe the kids in the Ariel School incident, even though there were a bunch of aspects of their story that changed over time (like the telepathic message that was supposedly sent to them, but no one mentioned until weeks later).
The Ariel School kids were interviewed by Dr. John Mack very quickly after the sighting. I cant tell you the number of days after but it was very quickly. None of them have changes their story unless you'd like to point me to one of them whom has.
And when we got on ship, he brought out something for the trip and said "it's old, but it's good", like any other primative would.
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case depicted in "Fire in the Sky"? He and his co-workers supposedly passed polygraph tests.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
"their story has also never changed"
You mean other than when the one guy admitting it was all a hoax?
You used a similar line to describe the kids in the Ariel School incident, even though there were a bunch of aspects of their story that changed over time (like the telepathic message that was supposedly sent to them, but no one mentioned until weeks later).
The Ariel School kids were interviewed by Dr. John Mack very quickly after the sighting. I cant tell you the number of days after but it was very quickly. None of them have changes their story unless you'd like to point me to one of them whom has.
Why would advanced life forms be scared to show themselves? If we attacked them, they would crush us. So, why sneak around? When/if they come, they won't be scared to show themselves, why would they?
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case depicted in "Fire in the Sky"? He and his co-workers supposedly passed polygraph tests.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
"their story has also never changed"
You mean other than when the one guy admitting it was all a hoax?
You used a similar line to describe the kids in the Ariel School incident, even though there were a bunch of aspects of their story that changed over time (like the telepathic message that was supposedly sent to them, but no one mentioned until weeks later).
The Ariel School kids were interviewed by Dr. John Mack very quickly after the sighting. I cant tell you the number of days after but it was very quickly. None of them have changes their story unless you'd like to point me to one of them whom has.
By all accounts, the children (some of the 62 children that were said to have seen it, not the 180+ others that were also out there that day but said they didn't see anything) were interviewed by UFO researcher Cynthia Hind within a few days of the reported sighting. They were interviewed in groups, with each hearing the other's questions and answers. Not one mention of telepathic messages. This was in mid-September. Mack didn't interview them until about 2 months later in November. Somehow, the psychiatrist - who was convinced that aliens actively visited people and who was also an environmental activist - got out of some of the children that their alien visitors were sending them telepathic messages about how they should protect the Earth. Then that became part of the narrative.
The memories were still being changed. Sure, they might not have changed their stories as adults, but the memories of what they experienced were formed over months, not minutes or even days.
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case depicted in "Fire in the Sky"? He and his co-workers supposedly passed polygraph tests.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
"their story has also never changed"
You mean other than when the one guy admitting it was all a hoax?
You used a similar line to describe the kids in the Ariel School incident, even though there were a bunch of aspects of their story that changed over time (like the telepathic message that was supposedly sent to them, but no one mentioned until weeks later).
The Ariel School kids were interviewed by Dr. John Mack very quickly after the sighting. I cant tell you the number of days after but it was very quickly. None of them have changes their story unless you'd like to point me to one of them whom has.
By all accounts, the children (some of the 62 children that were said to have seen it, not the 180+ others that were also out there that day but said they didn't see anything) were interviewed by UFO researcher Cynthia Hind within a few days of the reported sighting. They were interviewed in groups, with each hearing the other's questions and answers. Not one mention of telepathic messages. This was in mid-September. Mack didn't interview them until about 2 months later in November. Somehow, the psychiatrist - who was convinced that aliens actively visited people and who was also an environmental activist - got out of some of the children that their alien visitors were sending them telepathic messages about how they should protect the Earth. Then that became part of the narrative.
The memories were still being changed. Sure, they might not have changed their stories as adults, but the memories of what they experienced were formed over months, not minutes or even days.
Thank you! I was just about to come and post the same thing, but you beat me to it.
The Walton case is well-known to be problematic, to say the least. Poeple love to use his passed polygraph as evidence that it must be true. The problem is polygraph tests are inadmissable in court because they are known to be unreliable and there is evidence that Walton was using well-known techniques to pass the test. Philip J. Klass also apparently found evidence of a failed test in which the examiner concluded that the whole thing was a gross deception.
I have no doubt that alien life, probably even intelligent alien life, exists in this universe. It's nearly a mathematical certainty. But most of these cases fall apart pretty quickly.
Thank you! I was just about to come and post the same thing, but you beat me to it.
The Walton case is well-known to be problematic, to say the least. Poeple love to use his passed polygraph as evidence that it must be true. The problem is polygraph tests are inadmissable in court because they are known to be unreliable and there is evidence that Walton was using well-known techniques to pass the test. Philip J. Klass also apparently found evidence of a failed test in which the examiner concluded that the whole thing was a gross deception.
I have no doubt that alien life, probably even intelligent alien life, exists in this universe. It's nearly a mathematical certainty. But most of these cases fall apart pretty quickly.
And there's also the bit about Mike Rogers, the dude who drove the truck that night, admitting it was a planned hoax.
Travis Walton Case - ( New Window )
Chris Squire and Steve Hackett had a theory so good, they made a song:
Aliens are only us, are only us from the future
We are the class of 4007
Centuries away from home
Designated discoverers
Today we are back in time
Aliens are only us, are only us from the future
Our time machines fly back and forth
That's the way our history's taught
How we accumulate our knowledge
Searching for the truth we forage
Aliens are only us, are only us from the future
The day will come we'll have passports to the sun
Fly around the universe
Knowing where we're going
And where it all began
Aliens are only us, are only us from the future
Travelling the road of space and time
Taking care not to leave any imprint behind
Making sure that we cover our tracks
Just a matter of fact of science fiction?
The day will come we'll have passports to the sun
We'll around the universe
Knowing where we all came from
And knowing what we've become
Aliens are only us, are only us from the future
Aliens by Squackett - ( New Window )