You could actually answer "no" to this question if you believe the "aliens" are actually us, say some many thousands of years in the future travelling back in time.
Humor, no doubt will follow, have at it.
I'd really like to hear your thoughts though
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I think those were demons, not aliens.
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I saw some clips from the Grammys.
I think those were demons, not aliens.
Very true.
I'd counter this by saying if aliens do exist they would probably be capable of interdimensional travel by bending the fabric of time and space. Who knows...
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That’s an unfathomable distance. And that the nearest planets just happen to be inhabited by a super race capable of traveling that distances is a lot more than unlikely. From there the distances just get more and more absurd. It’s just us folks.
I'd counter this by saying if aliens do exist they would probably be capable of interdimensional travel by bending the fabric of time and space. Who knows...
Ok. Where are they. Hiding among us like MIB. Following the Prime Directive like Star Trek. He asked if they are here on earth.
Some other stuff I have read/watched, which I do not feel as strongly about, is that UFO sightings are from a future society that can travel back in time, not alien intelligence/life forms but "us" several centuries ahead in time coming back. The only argument that gives this some merit also ties to the shear distance the closest inhabitable plants are thought to be and how advanced the technology seems based on eyewitness accounts. My gut tells me most sighting are pranks, unexplained phenomenon, or military related.
Interesting stuff to listen or read to on occasion but never truly went down the rabbit hole on books/research/theory. This is all just my $0.02
I don't mean to speak for the UFO community but I will say that when I first started studying the UFO/UAP phenomenon in the 80's, the main working theory was the ETH, the extraterrestrial hypothesis. That is, what we are seeing are beings in physical ships from other planets/galaxies etc...
Those of us who study, write, comment etc... on the subject has started to move our collective thinking away from the ETH to something much weirder and more murky to understand. The area that much of the community is focused on now is consciousness.
Consciousness and nuts and bolts crafts are not mutually exclusive. The US Department of Defense has acknowledged that what military aviators and radar operators are seeing is real. These are crafts that are being picked up on radar that in one case dropped from 80,000 feet to 50 feet above sea level in 1.5 seconds. It's not an error, it's not swamp gas, its real actual phenomenon. The US DoD also acknowledges it's not ours. So that leaves two options. One, our adversaries like China or Russia have developed technology so advanced that we literally can't grasp how it works, or its from somewhere else. The option that makes the most sense according to Christopher Mellon, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense thinks the latter is the option is most likely.
So the US government has already acknowledged that UFOs are real. It comes down to what are they? Are they Russian or Chinese? I would be my house that they are not. Further, keep in mind that this phenomenon has been seen for centuries. There is written record of Roman soldiers seeing 'flaming round shields' in the sky above battles. For those who have no concept of a flying vehicle, a flaming shield is a pretty good descriptor.
There is so much to this entire phenomenon that is hard to put words on. In my personal view, the reality we as humans can perceive is much, much less from what that true nature is. Consciousness has a lot to do with it. But I dont think these 'aliens' are from a far away planet. I think they are avatars created by a powerful consciousness in another dimension. For what purpose? To subtly nudge us along a path. That path would one day unite humanity knowing we are not alone and what we once thought of as substantial differences among ourselves were utterly meaningless.
UFOs are real. But what the true nature of them is a source for constant examination and debate. I welcome the discussion.
Exhibit A -- Mark Zuckerberg.
Exhibit B -- Elon Musk.
- how would they know of us, our radio is slower than light so hasn’t traveled far
- timing - the civilizations/science would have to match up time wise and it’s unlikely. We’ve not been here long astronomically. Shorter with the science to look into space. They’d have to have civilization same time as us.
- They’d have to come here, undetected
- They’d have to have developed tech similar to ours. Who knows what their biology is hence what they’d communicate with or look for from us.
The universe is SO
vast, I have no doubt there’s life somewhere out there, in some form. But that knows of us much less contacted us or come here? Nah.
I don't mean to speak for the UFO community but I will say that when I first started studying the UFO/UAP phenomenon in the 80's, the main working theory was the ETH, the extraterrestrial hypothesis. That is, what we are seeing are beings in physical ships from other planets/galaxies etc...
Those of us who study, write, comment etc... on the subject has started to move our collective thinking away from the ETH to something much weirder and more murky to understand. The area that much of the community is focused on now is consciousness.
Consciousness and nuts and bolts crafts are not mutually exclusive. The US Department of Defense has acknowledged that what military aviators and radar operators are seeing is real. These are crafts that are being picked up on radar that in one case dropped from 80,000 feet to 50 feet above sea level in 1.5 seconds. It's not an error, it's not swamp gas, its real actual phenomenon. The US DoD also acknowledges it's not ours. So that leaves two options. One, our adversaries like China or Russia have developed technology so advanced that we literally can't grasp how it works, or its from somewhere else. The option that makes the most sense according to Christopher Mellon, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense thinks the latter is the option is most likely.
So the US government has already acknowledged that UFOs are real. It comes down to what are they? Are they Russian or Chinese? I would be my house that they are not. Further, keep in mind that this phenomenon has been seen for centuries. There is written record of Roman soldiers seeing 'flaming round shields' in the sky above battles. For those who have no concept of a flying vehicle, a flaming shield is a pretty good descriptor.
There is so much to this entire phenomenon that is hard to put words on. In my personal view, the reality we as humans can perceive is much, much less from what that true nature is. Consciousness has a lot to do with it. But I dont think these 'aliens' are from a far away planet. I think they are avatars created by a powerful consciousness in another dimension. For what purpose? To subtly nudge us along a path. That path would one day unite humanity knowing we are not alone and what we once thought of as substantial differences among ourselves were utterly meaningless.
UFOs are real. But what the true nature of them is a source for constant examination and debate. I welcome the discussion.
Yes. I've also heard it theorized that the alien entities inhabit rather simple doll-like bodies that are neither biological, or synthesized but rather something in between that facilitates their movement in this dimension but it not needed in other dimensions. Thus when an aliens "dies" in this world, his consciousness will just enter a new body. All of this may become clear when we "move on" from this world. NDE's are also fascinating.
At any rate, I don't think we possess the mental capacity to understand it or how to control it.
I believe these UFO's are not from million miles away but they are from a different dimension. Somehow these UFO's can pierce through our dimension and go back to theirs without hesitation.
This all has something to do with manipulating the RF Spectrum but I can only theorize how this can occur.
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That’s an unfathomable distance. And that the nearest planets just happen to be inhabited by a super race capable of traveling that distances is a lot more than unlikely. From there the distances just get more and more absurd. It’s just us folks.
I'd counter this by saying if aliens do exist they would probably be capable of interdimensional travel by bending the fabric of time and space. Who knows...
Ok. Where are they. Hiding among us like MIB. Following the Prime Directive like Star Trek. He asked if they are here on earth.
This is beyond my comprehension, but I think Neil Degrasse Tyson said that wormholes could be folds in space time, where one could seemingly travel great distances through them.
I have a good friend who's a pilot. He said he's seen things he can't explain, and other pilot buddies have too. Plus the Navy pilot video from a few years ago is super compelling.
If what they witnessed was technology from another country, or even us, it's an enormous breakthrough in energy manipulation and propulsion, probably the ability to manipulate gravity or some shit. Way above my understanding of physics, but really super interesting.
In short, a craft landed at a school in rural Zimbabwe, two beings were witnessed by school children, young to old, black and white, girls and boys. 60 + kids. Their stories haven't changed in all this time.
I have spoken with Emily Trim who is featured in two documentaries. She feels strongly that the beings they saw were being shows to them, as if their perception was being manipulated. One of the school kids who was only a few feet away, what stuck with her most was that one being who was down on the ground appeared to their right. It would move from right to the left, but then it would immediately reappear to the right again and move to the left again, this happened at least three times. To me, this indicates at least some manipulation with perception, relaity etc...
HOWEVER, if someone argues that there is no other life in the entire Universe? I feel like that's an incredibly obtuse and self-centered view based on what (even the little bit) we know about the Universe, Galaxies, Planets.
In short, a craft landed at a school in rural Zimbabwe, two beings were witnessed by school children, young to old, black and white, girls and boys. 60 + kids. Their stories haven't changed in all this time.
I have spoken with Emily Trim who is featured in two documentaries. She feels strongly that the beings they saw were being shows to them, as if their perception was being manipulated. One of the school kids who was only a few feet away, what stuck with her most was that one being who was down on the ground appeared to their right. It would move from right to the left, but then it would immediately reappear to the right again and move to the left again, this happened at least three times. To me, this indicates at least some manipulation with perception, relaity etc...
I'm going to have to be really cryptic here. But I've had a conversation with someone who I talked with for a few hours, and this person is a someone. Military background, like me, and we had that in common, and for whatever reason, he started sharing. There was definitely some crazy shit going on in his personal life at the time. At any rate, he told me things about UFO's, signals from outer space received, and teams with super duper secret squirrel activities that are on the UFO/alien stuff.
Also said that all the Hollywood alien movies exist in part to slowly bring humanity to acceptance of the inevitable.
I get it...sounds crazy. I thought he was crazy, literally thought he was a bullshitter who liked to tell fanciful stories about himself for his own ego or entertainment or to make friends, who knows. But...then I did some background research on him, and I immediately became a believer in everything he said.
I don't think the encounters that show far advanced tech and movement are Russian and Chinese, however I do think some of the the "UFO" videos we see of things just hovering and not doing much are quite possible Russian and Chinese.
To be clear there are reports of these objects doing things that i do not think Russia or China has the tech to do, those i do not think are China or Russia.
Even if these were human tech, I would bet it would be tech from the Five Eyes (US/ UK / CAN / AUS / NZ) mayybe Israel.
Ultimately these objects are tracked moving at speeds that would cause any craft made of conventional materials to fall to pieces under the g-forces. So what are they made of? Or does their propulsion tech render g-forces irrelevant?
Either way it is far beyond any known human technological capability, although its possible we have developed some sort of holographic / radar spoofing tech that makes it appear that objects are present when they are not.
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In short, a craft landed at a school in rural Zimbabwe, two beings were witnessed by school children, young to old, black and white, girls and boys. 60 + kids. Their stories haven't changed in all this time.
I have spoken with Emily Trim who is featured in two documentaries. She feels strongly that the beings they saw were being shows to them, as if their perception was being manipulated. One of the school kids who was only a few feet away, what stuck with her most was that one being who was down on the ground appeared to their right. It would move from right to the left, but then it would immediately reappear to the right again and move to the left again, this happened at least three times. To me, this indicates at least some manipulation with perception, relaity etc...
I'm going to have to be really cryptic here. But I've had a conversation with someone who I talked with for a few hours, and this person is a someone. Military background, like me, and we had that in common, and for whatever reason, he started sharing. There was definitely some crazy shit going on in his personal life at the time. At any rate, he told me things about UFO's, signals from outer space received, and teams with super duper secret squirrel activities that are on the UFO/alien stuff.
Also said that all the Hollywood alien movies exist in part to slowly bring humanity to acceptance of the inevitable.
I get it...sounds crazy. I thought he was crazy, literally thought he was a bullshitter who liked to tell fanciful stories about himself for his own ego or entertainment or to make friends, who knows. But...then I did some background research on him, and I immediately became a believer in everything he said.
All sounds legit to me.
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It comes down to what are they? Are they Russian or Chinese? I would be my house that they are not.
I don't think the encounters that show far advanced tech and movement are Russian and Chinese, however I do think some of the the "UFO" videos we see of things just hovering and not doing much are quite possible Russian and Chinese.
To be clear there are reports of these objects doing things that i do not think Russia or China has the tech to do, those i do not think are China or Russia.
Even if these were human tech, I would bet it would be tech from the Five Eyes (US/ UK / CAN / AUS / NZ) mayybe Israel.
Ultimately these objects are tracked moving at speeds that would cause any craft made of conventional materials to fall to pieces under the g-forces. So what are they made of? Or does their propulsion tech render g-forces irrelevant?
Either way it is far beyond any known human technological capability, although its possible we have developed some sort of holographic / radar spoofing tech that makes it appear that objects are present when they are not.
That is a super interesting theory. In terms of the Navy pilot videos, the UFOs were detected on FLIR, so the craft(?) had to give off infrared radiation.
Officer goes into the woods to investigate saw a craft, he expected to see U.S. military markings on it and figured it was some top-secret craft of earthly origin. He touched the craft, and was instantly seeing "things" beyond his comprehension. The next day he felt compelled to "unload his mind" and wrote down on a notebook a series of 1's and 0's that was recognized as basic binary code, which translated into 3 sentences....
can't remember word for word but when the 1's and 0's were translated it was something like "Exploration for further planet enhancement" "origin year 8080" and 1 other thing I can't remember...
Why would a "non-computer guy in the early 1980's feel compelled to unload this binary code into a notebook to "free his mind"?
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It comes down to what are they? Are they Russian or Chinese? I would be my house that they are not.
I don't think the encounters that show far advanced tech and movement are Russian and Chinese, however I do think some of the the "UFO" videos we see of things just hovering and not doing much are quite possible Russian and Chinese.
To be clear there are reports of these objects doing things that i do not think Russia or China has the tech to do, those i do not think are China or Russia.
Even if these were human tech, I would bet it would be tech from the Five Eyes (US/ UK / CAN / AUS / NZ) mayybe Israel.
Ultimately these objects are tracked moving at speeds that would cause any craft made of conventional materials to fall to pieces under the g-forces. So what are they made of? Or does their propulsion tech render g-forces irrelevant?
Either way it is far beyond any known human technological capability, although its possible we have developed some sort of holographic / radar spoofing tech that makes it appear that objects are present when they are not.
That is a super interesting theory. In terms of the Navy pilot videos, the UFOs were detected on FLIR, so the craft(?) had to give off infrared radiation.
The Problem with the Holographic/radar spoofing theory is these UFO's were seen visually outside the cockpit by the naked eye of 4 witnesses in the two fighter jets. It's true, Thermal dynamics and the law of physics would say those crafts should have broken up at those speeds. However, I can theorize if a large RF Pulse can manipulated correctly, Physics can be manipulated and interdimensional travel is possible.
B) Things like UFOs and various psi phenomena start to not sound completely out of the realm of possibility. In fact reported encounters with the former almost always have some psychological component to them.
Even if you're a believer/debunker of the extraterrestrial hypothesis, most people don't really fathom how old the universe is in relation to how long humans have been around, and also falsely assume that intelligent life in the universe all started at the same time. There could quite easily be intelligent species that are millions of years old. The Fermi Paradox has been around since the 1950s but we've only recently been able to feebly search for signs of intelligent life in our proximity. It's like a blind person declaring that the earth is only as large as the room they are in.
- The Earth is estimated to be 4.54 Billion years old
- Homo Sapiens are estimated around 300,000 years old
- Homo Sapiens have been around for 0.007% of the Earth's existence
- 0.007% of a 24 hour day is 5.7 seconds
- the diameter of the earth in relation to the diameter of the Milky Way is the equivalent to a grain of sand (0.004 inches) to a planet 205 times the diameter of earth
So you have 1 day to find a grain of sand. But that grain of sand is on a beach 205 times the size of Earth. And on that day, that grain of sand will only be there for 6 seconds otherwise it will disappear.
6 seconds to find a specific grain of sand on a beach 205 times the size of Earth? Yea... there are only 2 ways I could see that grain of sand being found by "someone".
1. They knew exactly where to look beforehand
2. They have the ability to move in some extra-dimensional way
If it's #2, why would they even care about us? We'd be beneath bacteria to them. #2 seems more likely to be what we consider "God" than another alien species visiting us in spaceship technology.
#1 is really the only way. And if that's the case, it would almost definitely mean they are some sort of ancestor/future version of us or that they are some gardener type spreading seeds and we're one plant (another way to .
Damn, that was a lot. Good way to kill time this morning.
As stupid as those Ancient Aliens shows are, those mofos may be on to something.
#1 is really the only way. And if that's the case, it would almost definitely mean they are some sort of ancestor/future version of us or that they are some gardener type spreading seeds and we're one plant (another way to .
Really love this theory.
All speculation of course, but I think that's in line with some other reported encounters where people board ships (voluntarily or not) that appear much larger on the inside than they seemed on the outside, lost time, etc. A theoretical higher dimensional would not experience spacetime as we do and many physicists think those exist.
Considering that we don't have the ability to travel those distances, and probably won't anytime soon. We are probably not considered important enough to waste time on. If they are out there, they probably already know about us, and aren't worth their time.
So I dont believe there are ailens on earth but do believe it possible that an alien ship/vessel has visited.
I also belive that finding the same enviroment needed to survive will be challenging. so good chance they checked it out and kept going if they every made it to us.
I don't know which one looks scarier.
So I dont believe there are ailens on earth but do believe it possible that an alien ship/vessel has visited.
I also belive that finding the same enviroment needed to survive will be challenging. so good chance they checked it out and kept going if they every made it to us.
That line of thinking is based on how a human brain works and how we would try to use 'logic' based on a narrow field view of 'reality'. The biggest challenge for those of us studying the phenomenon is trying to get past the 'why' because so much of that is based on flawed human assumptions and logic. Its so difficult.
Exhibit A -- Mark Zuckerberg.
Exhibit B -- Elon Musk.
Oh, this is a serious thread.
I have given this subject serious consideration over the years. I'm into amateur astronomy and spend a fair amount of time looking at the night sky. I can locate the planets and the major constellations. I can recognize the ISS when it passes overhead. I have never seen anything that could even remotely be described as a UFO. In over 40 years of looking.
I would add that any advanced civilization that found a way to cover millions of miles of empty space, bending time and distance to suit their travel needs.....would probably make their presence known to us. They didn't bust Einstein's Theories only to briefly appear over the lesser population centers like Roswell or Zimbabwe.
Just my opinion.
I know this lizard person does:
The Fatima Miracle is bullshit. So are UFO's.
BTW, I also do not confuse the verb "to believe" with the verb "to know".....
Are we in the same boat as the 2D beings here?
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