You could actually answer "no" to this question if you believe the "aliens" are actually us, say some many thousands of years in the future travelling back in time.
Humor, no doubt will follow, have at it.
I'd really like to hear your thoughts though
TIA BBI!
BTW, I also do not confuse the verb "to believe" with the verb "to know".....
Agree. I do know that UFOs are real. I have seen one clearly and at close range. I have had ghost encounters that make me believe, but not know for certain. Bigfoot, Nessie, Champ...... I dunno, but why not?
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Why not believe? It's not like your putting a marker down on what is real. I prefer to imagine many things that seem far fetched might be real. It makes life more interesting.
BTW, I also do not confuse the verb "to believe" with the verb "to know".....
Agree. I do know that UFOs are real. I have seen one clearly and at close range. I have had ghost encounters that make me believe, but not know for certain. Bigfoot, Nessie, Champ...... I dunno, but why not?
VTChuck, please share your sighting with us if you are comfortable. I have had one too...in Vermont.
- The Earth is estimated to be 4.54 Billion years old
- Homo Sapiens are estimated around 300,000 years old
- Homo Sapiens have been around for 0.007% of the Earth's existence
- 0.007% of a 24 hour day is 5.7 seconds
- the diameter of the earth in relation to the diameter of the Milky Way is the equivalent to a grain of sand (0.004 inches) to a planet 205 times the diameter of earth
So you have 1 day to find a grain of sand. But that grain of sand is on a beach 205 times the size of Earth. And on that day, that grain of sand will only be there for 6 seconds otherwise it will disappear.
6 seconds to find a specific grain of sand on a beach 205 times the size of Earth? Yea... there are only 2 ways I could see that grain of sand being found by "someone".
1. They knew exactly where to look beforehand
2. They have the ability to move in some extra-dimensional way
If it's #2, why would they even care about us? We'd be beneath bacteria to them. #2 seems more likely to be what we consider "God" than another alien species visiting us in spaceship technology.
#1 is really the only way. And if that's the case, it would almost definitely mean they are some sort of ancestor/future version of us or that they are some gardener type spreading seeds and we're one plant (another way to .
AKA this ...
Ween. They know things. - ( New Window )
The last president who most feel knew anything on the subject was Ike.
Lol, “the aliens are really terrific individuals. Really amazing. Beautiful space equipment.”
VTChuck, please share your sighting with us if you are comfortable. I have had one too...in Vermont.
This happened almost 60 years ago... It was either Fall 1965 or Spring 1966. There were no leaves on the trees and no snow on the ground. I remember other details vividly. There were a lot of sightings on the east coast and in my hometown in Central Maine. Front page in the newspaper. The great blackout happened in November 65.
I really need to include illustrations and maps. It is something I have been meaning to write down for a long time. Maybe I could figure out a way to post it online and link to it or just assemble it and email to you.
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VTChuck, please share your sighting with us if you are comfortable. I have had one too...in Vermont.
This happened almost 60 years ago... It was either Fall 1965 or Spring 1966. There were no leaves on the trees and no snow on the ground. I remember other details vividly. There were a lot of sightings on the east coast and in my hometown in Central Maine. Front page in the newspaper. The great blackout happened in November 65.
I really need to include illustrations and maps. It is something I have been meaning to write down for a long time. Maybe I could figure out a way to post it online and link to it or just assemble it and email to you.
I'll email you. :)
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VTChuck, please share your sighting with us if you are comfortable. I have had one too...in Vermont.
This happened almost 60 years ago... It was either Fall 1965 or Spring 1966. There were no leaves on the trees and no snow on the ground. I remember other details vividly. There were a lot of sightings on the east coast and in my hometown in Central Maine. Front page in the newspaper. The great blackout happened in November 65.
I really need to include illustrations and maps. It is something I have been meaning to write down for a long time. Maybe I could figure out a way to post it online and link to it or just assemble it and email to you.
I'll email you. :)
I would love to hear/read more about the experiences of both of you. Would it be ok to be included?
I also think it's highly unlikely to be Chinese, as they'd be using those craft instead of floating fucking balloons over our heads.
Setting aside Wakanda, or one of our allies having some super genius who could develop all this without us finding out, it has to be something else.
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in Ruwa, Zimbabwe from September 1994...
In short, a craft landed at a school in rural Zimbabwe, two beings were witnessed by school children, young to old, black and white, girls and boys. 60 + kids. Their stories haven't changed in all this time.
I have spoken with Emily Trim who is featured in two documentaries. She feels strongly that the beings they saw were being shows to them, as if their perception was being manipulated. One of the school kids who was only a few feet away, what stuck with her most was that one being who was down on the ground appeared to their right. It would move from right to the left, but then it would immediately reappear to the right again and move to the left again, this happened at least three times. To me, this indicates at least some manipulation with perception, relaity etc...
I'm going to have to be really cryptic here. But I've had a conversation with someone who I talked with for a few hours, and this person is a someone. Military background, like me, and we had that in common, and for whatever reason, he started sharing. There was definitely some crazy shit going on in his personal life at the time. At any rate, he told me things about UFO's, signals from outer space received, and teams with super duper secret squirrel activities that are on the UFO/alien stuff.
Also said that all the Hollywood alien movies exist in part to slowly bring humanity to acceptance of the inevitable.
I get it...sounds crazy. I thought he was crazy, literally thought he was a bullshitter who liked to tell fanciful stories about himself for his own ego or entertainment or to make friends, who knows. But...then I did some background research on him, and I immediately became a believer in everything he said.
I've always been curious about this.
"Slowly bring humanity to the acceptance of [ the existence of aliens]"...
For a lack of a better term, I'll use The Powers That Be (TPTB). I've heard this theory before that TPTB use the media and entertainment to gradually condition us to accept the existence of extra terrestrials.
What would happen if tomorrow governments around the world admit there is existence of aliens? Assuming TPTB want to gradually condition us, what are their greatest fears releasing this information? OR what are their greatest motivators for releasing this information?
It’s a good point. It’s very human of us to expect another entity, etc. to have some sort of physical presence just like us.
I was driving back from Montreal in March. It was about 10:30 at night and as it was March in Vermont, the trees were still bare. I was about 20 minutes from home, driving south on Route 7 and up ahead on my left was Lake Arrowhead in Milton. I noticed far ahead, a light in the sky. It was a deep orange. I kept looking at it and as I am driving trees are getting in the way but I can see it through the trees far off.
I speed up because I think this light is over Lake Arrowhead and I want to get there to see it without the trees. I start to notice more of the lights about 100 feet over the water of the lake. Finally, I get to where Lake Arrowhead is and I pull over right in front of another car which also has pulled over. I get out and at this point there are maybe 5 of these lights. I turn around and see the car behind me and the driver is standing there watching. I run back to him and ask him 'what are we looking at' and he said 'I have no idea, man'.
These lights were balls of light. Orange in color and were maybe a foot across or so, no structure to them, no physical anything just deep orange light. I was careful to look at the light itself in all of the orbs, it didn't flicker, wobble or anything like that. Just a steady light. I looked carefully above each light to see if maybe there was a balloon above them, nothing that I could see.
More and more of these orbs came out from behind a ridge, over the dam at the south end of the lake and out over the open water. I put my palms out to figure where the direction of the breeze was coming from and it was coming from east. These orbs were moving in a north easterly direction headed at a 45 degree angle into the breeze.
I went back to my car and stood there watching. The orbs would wink out periodically and more would show up. After 5 minutes I headed home. My drive home took me up over a ridge that looked down below to the general area where I saw the orbs and I could see a few of them down in this little valley.
Could they have been Chinese Lanterns? Possibly. But I saw no structure to them, the light was even, no flickering and they were moving 45 degrees into the wind. And I must have seen over 15 of them. Who is setting off Chinese Lanterns on a weeknight at 10:30/11 PM in the middle of nowhere? Could they have been glowsticks hanging beneath balloons? I didnt see anything like a balloon above any of these lights. Again, it looked like a fuzzy ball of deep orange light.
Did these orbs move in an interesting way? Nope. They pretty much moved in a straight line over the dam and out over open water and would wink out. So, the movement isn't what made me take notice. It was just the nature of the light, the amount, the movement headed into the wind at an angle. It felt...odd.
I wish I had seen a classic saucer in a field in daylight, but this is the nature of my sighting without embellishment. Who knows what it was.
Late one night (1973 or 1974) she was driving my sister and I home from our aunt's house, heading north up the Taconic State Parkway (from Shrub Oak to Putnam Valley). She said my younger sister and I were looking out the back window at a flying saucer following us. She looked in the rear view mirror and saw something bright in the sky and it appeared to, if not be following our car specifically, it was certainly traveling the direction of the parkway. She was frightened and sped (something she never, ever did, my mother religiously followed the speed limit) to get us home ASAP. She said the newspaper the next day had a story on it, there were numerous other witnesses and the police departments in the area had been flooded with calls. I honestly wish I could remember it. As a teenager I used to stare into the night sky always hoping I'd be able to see a UFO of some sort. Hasn't happened since.
My other story is also second hand, but it's one that has changed my view on the life-beyond-Earth possibility.
A year or two after I graduated college (probably around 1992 or 1993) I was catching up with an old friend I hadn't seen in a couple of years. We'd grown up together and went to different colleges. So while we were reminiscing, bs'ing about life and whatever, she tells me this story that I still remember as clearly as if it were last night.
In school she was friends with a guy studying engineering on an ROTC scholarship. He graduated ahead of her and entered the Air Force. One time when he came home on leave they were talking one night and he told her a story about this time when an officer came and took him and two other engineers off their post. He said they were blindfolded, flown to an unknown location, put in a closed hangar without windows and shown a craft of some sort and told to "figure out how it works" They were never told it's origin or purpose, they were just told to try and reverse engineer it (which they never could).
He told her he believed it was an extraterrestrial craft and was haunted by the thought of aliens present on a base somewhere. He also told her "believe anything you see on TV." That was a direct reference to the low budget and often half-baked alien and UFO shows that used to be prevalent on cable TV in the late 1980s and early 1990s. According to him, they were real.
I used to be a fan of the Ancient Aliens series when it first came out. The first couple of seasons seemed thought provoking to me. I remember there being one that focused on occurrences in the lower Hudson Valley where I did much of my growing up.
Late one night (1973 or 1974) she was driving my sister and I home from our aunt's house, heading north up the Taconic State Parkway (from Shrub Oak to Putnam Valley). She said my younger sister and I were looking out the back window at a flying saucer following us. She looked in the rear view mirror and saw something bright in the sky and it appeared to, if not be following our car specifically, it was certainly traveling the direction of the parkway. She was frightened and sped (something she never, ever did, my mother religiously followed the speed limit) to get us home ASAP. She said the newspaper the next day had a story on it, there were numerous other witnesses and the police departments in the area had been flooded with calls. I honestly wish I could remember it. As a teenager I used to stare into the night sky always hoping I'd be able to see a UFO of some sort. Hasn't happened since.
My other story is also second hand, but it's one that has changed my view on the life-beyond-Earth possibility.
A year or two after I graduated college (probably around 1992 or 1993) I was catching up with an old friend I hadn't seen in a couple of years. We'd grown up together and went to different colleges. So while we were reminiscing, bs'ing about life and whatever, she tells me this story that I still remember as clearly as if it were last night.
In school she was friends with a guy studying engineering on an ROTC scholarship. He graduated ahead of her and entered the Air Force. One time when he came home on leave they were talking one night and he told her a story about this time when an officer came and took him and two other engineers off their post. He said they were blindfolded, flown to an unknown location, put in a closed hangar without windows and shown a craft of some sort and told to "figure out how it works" They were never told it's origin or purpose, they were just told to try and reverse engineer it (which they never could).
He told her he believed it was an extraterrestrial craft and was haunted by the thought of aliens present on a base somewhere. He also told her "believe anything you see on TV." That was a direct reference to the low budget and often half-baked alien and UFO shows that used to be prevalent on cable TV in the late 1980s and early 1990s. According to him, they were real.
I used to be a fan of the Ancient Aliens series when it first came out. The first couple of seasons seemed thought provoking to me. I remember there being one that focused on occurrences in the lower Hudson Valley where I did much of my growing up.
The second story actually sounds like Tom Delong's story from Sekret Machines, which is supposed to be written based on true events. As for tv/movies, yes, Spielberg was said to have been closely guided by people in the know when he directed close encounters
I was driving back from Montreal in March. It was about 10:30 at night and as it was March in Vermont, the trees were still bare. I was about 20 minutes from home, driving south on Route 7 and up ahead on my left was Lake Arrowhead in Milton. I noticed far ahead, a light in the sky. It was a deep orange. I kept looking at it and as I am driving trees are getting in the way but I can see it through the trees far off.
I speed up because I think this light is over Lake Arrowhead and I want to get there to see it without the trees. I start to notice more of the lights about 100 feet over the water of the lake. Finally, I get to where Lake Arrowhead is and I pull over right in front of another car which also has pulled over. I get out and at this point there are maybe 5 of these lights. I turn around and see the car behind me and the driver is standing there watching. I run back to him and ask him 'what are we looking at' and he said 'I have no idea, man'.
These lights were balls of light. Orange in color and were maybe a foot across or so, no structure to them, no physical anything just deep orange light. I was careful to look at the light itself in all of the orbs, it didn't flicker, wobble or anything like that. Just a steady light. I looked carefully above each light to see if maybe there was a balloon above them, nothing that I could see.
More and more of these orbs came out from behind a ridge, over the dam at the south end of the lake and out over the open water. I put my palms out to figure where the direction of the breeze was coming from and it was coming from east. These orbs were moving in a north easterly direction headed at a 45 degree angle into the breeze.
I went back to my car and stood there watching. The orbs would wink out periodically and more would show up. After 5 minutes I headed home. My drive home took me up over a ridge that looked down below to the general area where I saw the orbs and I could see a few of them down in this little valley.
Could they have been Chinese Lanterns? Possibly. But I saw no structure to them, the light was even, no flickering and they were moving 45 degrees into the wind. And I must have seen over 15 of them. Who is setting off Chinese Lanterns on a weeknight at 10:30/11 PM in the middle of nowhere? Could they have been glowsticks hanging beneath balloons? I didnt see anything like a balloon above any of these lights. Again, it looked like a fuzzy ball of deep orange light.
Did these orbs move in an interesting way? Nope. They pretty much moved in a straight line over the dam and out over open water and would wink out. So, the movement isn't what made me take notice. It was just the nature of the light, the amount, the movement headed into the wind at an angle. It felt...odd.
I wish I had seen a classic saucer in a field in daylight, but this is the nature of my sighting without embellishment. Who knows what it was.
Thank you for sharing!
I bust my ass all night making crop circles and this is all the appreciation I get from BBI. Well nanu nanu and good-bye!!
My view is there's lots more that we don't know then we do know. I love the disconnect between quantum mechanics and classical physics and when I deep dive past what my little monkey brain can conceive, not a lot of what we know makes sense.
I have no doubt that there is probably intelligent life somewhere in the universe. What that looks like I don't know. I do know that if it did traveled great time and distance to get here, it would take one look at us and determine that there was no intelligent life on this planet.
Besides, Bigfoot would kick their asses.
I was away at college when that was going on, I remember my sister telling me about it when I came home one of those summers. I think some kids at Mahopac HS saw it once.
I would love to hear/read more about the experiences of both of you. Would it be ok to be included?
I have emailed Bold Ruler my stories and some pathetic drawings. He may be able to figure out how to post them or email to interested folks. Fine with me
As I drove fairly slowly up this road, I saw some very bright lights ahead on my left. The lights weren't very high in the sky and at first I thought it was a very brightly lit house on a hill. As I got closer, I noticed the lights were moving (so it wasn't a house).
The lights were moving slowly towards me, so I pulled over to the side of the road. I rolled down my window and shut off my engine. IIRC there were 3 bright lights in shape of a triangle (possibly with a 4th light of a different color in the middle).
It went almost directly over me and it wasn't that high above me (if I had to guess it was less than 1000 ft). What freaked me out was how slowly it was moving without making any noise, unlike anything I knew of that could move anything like that (helicopter, hot air balloon, Harrier).
About maybe a minute after it passed over me, it disappeared. I chose to not try to follow it. It kind of freaked me out and about 25 years later, I still don't know what the heck it was.
Additionally, humans aren't the only creatures on the planet that behave cruelly out of ignorance or fear. Are they coming to us exclusively because of our superior intelligence and they have hopes of showing us the way? How can we argue that, when the whole basis of this conversation is that these beings are so far advanced that we can't even comprehend their existence? By that logic, wouldn't we be indecipherable from a mosquito?
The Hollywood theory mentioned here is one of the more crazy posts, sorry. Movies are made to make money. The storylines follow the proven arcs and cues that we naturally gravitate towards. If you think Miramax is making movies to prepare for an inevitable encounter, I have a few billion reasons to argue against that. That is some tinfoil hat stuff.
I'm on board with the idea that, if there is something else out there, they're capable of far more than we can understand, and their consciousness and dimensions are so foreign that I won't even attempt to wrap my head around them. I won't even scoff at the idea that, if they exist, they've been here... but to simplify, I see it as if I were to take a cross country drive. At some point I probably would pass a salamander. But I didn't visit the salamander. It's a simplistic analogy, but it's the only one I can come up with to come close to articulating the sheer irrelevance of humanity in a cosmic sense, especially to an entity or entities with the advancement to literally pierce through dimensions.
Now the has to be other beings out there that are so far advanced that we can't fathom their technology. Also it's likely that they are able to travel via wormholes.
...Consciousness and nuts and bolts crafts are not mutually exclusive. The US Department of Defense has acknowledged that what military aviators and radar operators are seeing is real. These are crafts that are being picked up on radar that in one case dropped from 80,000 feet to 50 feet above sea level in 1.5 seconds. It's not an error, it's not swamp gas, its real actual phenomenon. The US DoD also acknowledges it's not ours. So that leaves two options...
Maybe I just missed when that happened, but I think you might be vastly overstating what the US gov't has conceded about the evidence.
I know they acknowledged the videos themselves were real. Did they ever go beyond that to concede specifics of "real actual phenomenon" actually happening or just that they appear to be happening? I mean, did they even go so far as to concede they are "crafts" as you imply?
Riley Martin?
Ahhhhh...And things of that nature...
I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech.
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It is nonetheless completely plausible that we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy and maybe the universe, at least at this moment in time. The Milky Way Galaxy has 100-400 billion stars, and at least as many planets. (We have discovered about 5,000 exoplanets so far.)
The problem is that it is very easy to quickly get that number to zero planets that harbor intelligent life capable of traversing the galaxy. Arguments for aliens that include other dimensions and time travel are implausible IMO.
Wasn't that one where one of the people involved admitted it was a hoax?
So I was a freshman in High School. Small town. We had about 250 in my graduating class. Kennedy had been shot 2 years earlier and the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan a few months later.
I played HS football and wore #70 (Sam Huff was my hero). The space race was on and I was fascinated by all of it. When I was younger, the newspapers would publish the times when the Echo
satellite would be overhead and my Dad would take me out in the field behind our house to view it. I built a telescope from a kit and was interested in astronomy.
Just to emphasize I was familiar with the night sky. And I was a pretty normal 14 year old kid…. years before I had encountered weed, beer and other fun stuff.
As I think about it, I think it’s more likely it was fall 65. Not sure why I was out that night. I had a friend that lived in the area and I might have been headed home. It was a school night, so not too late.
I might have been drawn out by the newspaper articles about UFO sightings, but I doubt it. If so I would have brought my telescope.
Where I saw the UFO out my back door and through a patch of woods and across a field to a dirt road that was parallel to my street. No street light or nearby houses.
So I am standing on the dirt road facing another street… maybe 60 yards away. The street and the road form a V that meet at an intersection to the right. There is an unobstructed open field between.
I see the object gliding above the houses and trees of the street…. following the path of the street. It is quite low, maybe 75-100 feet and totally silent. Faster than I can run, but it it has a straight gliding path.
It is maybe 25-30 feet long. Looks more like a hat than a saucer. the lower cigar shaped base is illuminated white, but its fuzzy or hazy with non-defined edges. The top is illuminated red, takes up about a third the width and
double the height of the base. The red light is pulsating, not blinking and has clearly defined edges and definition. A striking combination. Absolutely silent.
I turn and run towards the intersection. As I near the intersection, the object turns right, climbs, and is gone in an instant.
I ran home and told my parents. I wanted to call the police or the newspaper. My Dad told me in no uncertain terms that that was not happening. No son of his was going to embarrass him publicly with
flying saucer stories.
The next morning the local newspaper was filled with stories and reports of sightings.
Interestingly, the “Incident at Exeter” happened in the same time period.
I subsequently began reading everything thing I could find on UFOs, Bigfoot, etc.
That’s my story and I’m sticking with it.
I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech. Link - ( New Window )
If one had a secret craft, why would you be flying it at low altitude in a very populated area? In daylight?
I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech. Link - ( New Window )
I wouldn't be shocked if what i saw was a govt secret project, but i also wouldn't be surprised that it was reverse engineered from an ET craft.
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I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech. Link - ( New Window )
I wouldn't be shocked if what i saw was a govt secret project, but i also wouldn't be surprised that it was reverse engineered from an ET craft.
The black triangles are quite puzzling. If they are Earth based tech, it flies in the face of the use of every other secret plane ever developed. Whether it was the B2 or the Stealth Figyter etc... they were tested exclusively over Neavada test ranges and never over population centers.
He saw something similar to what many of us have seen, i.e., bright lights, silent slow moving/hovering craft that suddenly accelerates and disappears. It freaked him out, just like what I saw almost 30 years later did me.