You could actually answer "no" to this question if you believe the "aliens" are actually us, say some many thousands of years in the future travelling back in time.
Humor, no doubt will follow, have at it.
I'd really like to hear your thoughts though
TIA BBI!
Additionally, humans aren't the only creatures on the planet that behave cruelly out of ignorance or fear. Are they coming to us exclusively because of our superior intelligence and they have hopes of showing us the way? How can we argue that, when the whole basis of this conversation is that these beings are so far advanced that we can't even comprehend their existence? By that logic, wouldn't we be indecipherable from a mosquito?
I'd highly recommend reading Dimensions by Jacques Vallee (basically an updated version of his most famous work Passport to Magonia). He has interviewed hundreds of credible witnesses/experiencers (not fame seeking, seemingly not crazy, good community standing) and lays out a great case that something has been here for as long as people have, their purpose is unknown, and they are intentionally deceptive/confusing/absurd. He asks a lot of the same questions you are asking and also logically rules out scientific study as the reason for their visitation. His theory is that it is some kind of system of control. I personally don't assume that the intention is benevolent.
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I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech. Link - ( New Window )
I wouldn't be shocked if what i saw was a govt secret project, but i also wouldn't be surprised that it was reverse engineered from an ET craft.
The black triangles are quite puzzling. If they are Earth based tech, it flies in the face of the use of every other secret plane ever developed. Whether it was the B2 or the Stealth Figyter etc... they were tested exclusively over Neavada test ranges and never over population centers.
I can't say for sure that the craft I saw was triangular. It was a very dark night and it was not a well lit road (pretty rural area between towns, even though only ~30 miles from Phila.). I don't recall seeing the outline of the craft, just that the lights formed a triangle.
The craft might have been saucer shaped, in fact I think that's what I assumed at the time (but could've been wrong).
Wish I had a camera with me at the time.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
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I’ve seen this, broad daylight, hovering over Rt80…it’s apparently a “secret” surveillance project craft, but its means of propulsion is unclear…some say it’s proof that gvmt has anti-gravity tech. Link - ( New Window )
I wouldn't be shocked if what i saw was a govt secret project, but i also wouldn't be surprised that it was reverse engineered from an ET craft.
The black triangles are quite puzzling. If they are Earth based tech, it flies in the face of the use of every other secret plane ever developed. Whether it was the B2 or the Stealth Figyter etc... they were tested exclusively over Neavada test ranges and never over population centers.
I can't say for sure that the craft I saw was triangular. It was a very dark night and it was not a well lit road (pretty rural area between towns, even though only ~30 miles from Phila.). I don't recall seeing the outline of the craft, just that the lights formed a triangle.
The craft might have been saucer shaped, in fact I think that's what I assumed at the time (but could've been wrong).
Wish I had a camera with me at the time.
Phoenix Lights are another well known example of a "large triangular" UFO.
I have lived on or around military bases all my adult life. I have seen exotic and experimental air vehicles (rotary, jet, rigid structure and remotely piloted) day and night. Lights are very disorienting, particularly in complete darkness. Depth perception and even physically defined movement in three dimensional space is distorted. There is one phenomenon that may explain silent movement in the night time. Not often, but on rare occasion, military and commercial jet air vehicles have flown close or directly overhead without making a sound. They were lighted and I could identify them and they flew a linear path. There are atmospheric conditions and ground features that disrupt sound. The first couple of times I experienced this, it was disorienting.
I try looking for red and green lights. All aircraft and vessels operating at night have position lights that don't blink. In the direction of travel, red light on the left side and green light on the right side. At night, you can't always see both lights and the bright landing lights and navigation lighting are disorienting.
This question gets asked a lot. I don't have the answer per se, but my working theory is essentially the same reason human made craft have lights. To be seen.
Additionally, humans aren't the only creatures on the planet that behave cruelly out of ignorance or fear. Are they coming to us exclusively because of our superior intelligence and they have hopes of showing us the way? How can we argue that, when the whole basis of this conversation is that these beings are so far advanced that we can't even comprehend their existence? By that logic, wouldn't we be indecipherable from a mosquito?
The Hollywood theory mentioned here is one of the more crazy posts, sorry. Movies are made to make money. The storylines follow the proven arcs and cues that we naturally gravitate towards. If you think Miramax is making movies to prepare for an inevitable encounter, I have a few billion reasons to argue against that. That is some tinfoil hat stuff.
I'm on board with the idea that, if there is something else out there, they're capable of far more than we can understand, and their consciousness and dimensions are so foreign that I won't even attempt to wrap my head around them. I won't even scoff at the idea that, if they exist, they've been here... but to simplify, I see it as if I were to take a cross country drive. At some point I probably would pass a salamander. But I didn't visit the salamander. It's a simplistic analogy, but it's the only one I can come up with to come close to articulating the sheer irrelevance of humanity in a cosmic sense, especially to an entity or entities with the advancement to literally pierce through dimensions.
with you on that one...we are mostly inconsequential in their view.....
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case depicted in "Fire in the Sky"? He and his co-workers supposedly passed polygraph tests.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
"their story has also never changed"
You mean other than when the one guy admitting it was all a hoax?
You used a similar line to describe the kids in the Ariel School incident, even though there were a bunch of aspects of their story that changed over time (like the telepathic message that was supposedly sent to them, but no one mentioned until weeks later).
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case depicted in "Fire in the Sky"? He and his co-workers supposedly passed polygraph tests.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
"their story has also never changed"
You mean other than when the one guy admitting it was all a hoax?
You used a similar line to describe the kids in the Ariel School incident, even though there were a bunch of aspects of their story that changed over time (like the telepathic message that was supposedly sent to them, but no one mentioned until weeks later).
The Ariel School kids were interviewed by Dr. John Mack very quickly after the sighting. I cant tell you the number of days after but it was very quickly. None of them have changes their story unless you'd like to point me to one of them whom has.
And when we got on ship, he brought out something for the trip and said "it's old, but it's good", like any other primative would.
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In comment 16027512 Dr. D said:
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case depicted in "Fire in the Sky"? He and his co-workers supposedly passed polygraph tests.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
"their story has also never changed"
You mean other than when the one guy admitting it was all a hoax?
You used a similar line to describe the kids in the Ariel School incident, even though there were a bunch of aspects of their story that changed over time (like the telepathic message that was supposedly sent to them, but no one mentioned until weeks later).
The Ariel School kids were interviewed by Dr. John Mack very quickly after the sighting. I cant tell you the number of days after but it was very quickly. None of them have changes their story unless you'd like to point me to one of them whom has.
Why would advanced life forms be scared to show themselves? If we attacked them, they would crush us. So, why sneak around? When/if they come, they won't be scared to show themselves, why would they?
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In comment 16027512 Dr. D said:
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case depicted in "Fire in the Sky"? He and his co-workers supposedly passed polygraph tests.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
"their story has also never changed"
You mean other than when the one guy admitting it was all a hoax?
You used a similar line to describe the kids in the Ariel School incident, even though there were a bunch of aspects of their story that changed over time (like the telepathic message that was supposedly sent to them, but no one mentioned until weeks later).
The Ariel School kids were interviewed by Dr. John Mack very quickly after the sighting. I cant tell you the number of days after but it was very quickly. None of them have changes their story unless you'd like to point me to one of them whom has.
By all accounts, the children (some of the 62 children that were said to have seen it, not the 180+ others that were also out there that day but said they didn't see anything) were interviewed by UFO researcher Cynthia Hind within a few days of the reported sighting. They were interviewed in groups, with each hearing the other's questions and answers. Not one mention of telepathic messages. This was in mid-September. Mack didn't interview them until about 2 months later in November. Somehow, the psychiatrist - who was convinced that aliens actively visited people and who was also an environmental activist - got out of some of the children that their alien visitors were sending them telepathic messages about how they should protect the Earth. Then that became part of the narrative.
The memories were still being changed. Sure, they might not have changed their stories as adults, but the memories of what they experienced were formed over months, not minutes or even days.
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In comment 16027512 Dr. D said:
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case depicted in "Fire in the Sky"? He and his co-workers supposedly passed polygraph tests.
I did read that the makers of the movie embellished some scenes including the alien examination because they thought Walton's story was too boring.
Dr. D,
The Travis Walton story is a remarkable one. The movie is such a shame because literally every moment of him on the craft was made up by the filmmakers. His actual experience on the craft was a unique experience of attempting to fight back against the small grays and then encountering what we call 'Nordics'. The fact that the filmmakers turned his on board experience into a horror movie is such a shame.
When you look at that case, consider that Travis was not well liked by the other members of the crew. They passed the poly multiple times. There story has also never changed. It's a pretty incredible story of people having witnessed an abduction.
"their story has also never changed"
You mean other than when the one guy admitting it was all a hoax?
You used a similar line to describe the kids in the Ariel School incident, even though there were a bunch of aspects of their story that changed over time (like the telepathic message that was supposedly sent to them, but no one mentioned until weeks later).
The Ariel School kids were interviewed by Dr. John Mack very quickly after the sighting. I cant tell you the number of days after but it was very quickly. None of them have changes their story unless you'd like to point me to one of them whom has.
By all accounts, the children (some of the 62 children that were said to have seen it, not the 180+ others that were also out there that day but said they didn't see anything) were interviewed by UFO researcher Cynthia Hind within a few days of the reported sighting. They were interviewed in groups, with each hearing the other's questions and answers. Not one mention of telepathic messages. This was in mid-September. Mack didn't interview them until about 2 months later in November. Somehow, the psychiatrist - who was convinced that aliens actively visited people and who was also an environmental activist - got out of some of the children that their alien visitors were sending them telepathic messages about how they should protect the Earth. Then that became part of the narrative.
The memories were still being changed. Sure, they might not have changed their stories as adults, but the memories of what they experienced were formed over months, not minutes or even days.
Thank you! I was just about to come and post the same thing, but you beat me to it.
The Walton case is well-known to be problematic, to say the least. Poeple love to use his passed polygraph as evidence that it must be true. The problem is polygraph tests are inadmissable in court because they are known to be unreliable and there is evidence that Walton was using well-known techniques to pass the test. Philip J. Klass also apparently found evidence of a failed test in which the examiner concluded that the whole thing was a gross deception.
I have no doubt that alien life, probably even intelligent alien life, exists in this universe. It's nearly a mathematical certainty. But most of these cases fall apart pretty quickly.
Thank you! I was just about to come and post the same thing, but you beat me to it.
The Walton case is well-known to be problematic, to say the least. Poeple love to use his passed polygraph as evidence that it must be true. The problem is polygraph tests are inadmissable in court because they are known to be unreliable and there is evidence that Walton was using well-known techniques to pass the test. Philip J. Klass also apparently found evidence of a failed test in which the examiner concluded that the whole thing was a gross deception.
I have no doubt that alien life, probably even intelligent alien life, exists in this universe. It's nearly a mathematical certainty. But most of these cases fall apart pretty quickly.
And there's also the bit about Mike Rogers, the dude who drove the truck that night, admitting it was a planned hoax.
Travis Walton Case - ( New Window )
Chris Squire and Steve Hackett had a theory so good, they made a song:
Aliens are only us, are only us from the future
We are the class of 4007
Centuries away from home
Designated discoverers
Today we are back in time
Aliens are only us, are only us from the future
Our time machines fly back and forth
That's the way our history's taught
How we accumulate our knowledge
Searching for the truth we forage
Aliens are only us, are only us from the future
The day will come we'll have passports to the sun
Fly around the universe
Knowing where we're going
And where it all began
Aliens are only us, are only us from the future
Travelling the road of space and time
Taking care not to leave any imprint behind
Making sure that we cover our tracks
Just a matter of fact of science fiction?
The day will come we'll have passports to the sun
We'll around the universe
Knowing where we all came from
And knowing what we've become
Aliens are only us, are only us from the future
Aliens by Squackett - ( New Window )