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NFT: Knicks Chat 2/6 - Trade deadline 50 hours away

Knickstape : 2/7/2023 12:23 pm
Trade deadline closing in still not a ton of chatter around the Knicks other than the rumored jazz deal. I am not in favor of the move to send obi and one first for Beasley and Vanderbilt

I’m Holding out hope they make a move for OG as long as the price is right and if there’s no deal to be made I’d keep it simple at the deadline and go get someone like Eric Gordon or a player of that caliber for a pair of 2nds.

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RE: If Knicks offered nets  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2023 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16026873 GMEN46 said:
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RJ
Obi
7 first round picks

Are nets getting a better offer?


The nets could easily get a better offer than that. Doesn’t matter though- they would never trade him to the Knicks and he doesn’t want to be a Knick.
Kyrie already deleted his apology for his antisemetism stuff.  
Strahan91 : 2/7/2023 7:33 pm : link
Who’s gonna tell him what his new owner’s religion is?
Ishiba bringing in Isiah Thomas  
ajr2456 : 2/7/2023 8:10 pm : link
As an executive. Pretty tone deaf, but if he is as bad as he was with the Knicks…
Tyree Helmet besides NOLA and OKC  
GMEN46 : 2/7/2023 8:24 pm : link
Who would not be interested in KD, who can offer more than knicks if you decide to go into a rebuild?

I guess Toronto can offer Siakim and van fleet but that roster would stink then
Bucks  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 8:30 pm : link
Interested in Rose per Stein
RE: Tyree Helmet besides NOLA and OKC  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2023 8:36 pm : link
In comment 16027053 GMEN46 said:
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Who would not be interested in KD, who can offer more than knicks if you decide to go into a rebuild?

I guess Toronto can offer Siakim and van fleet but that roster would stink then


Boston, Memphis, Toronto, Denver, Portland, Phoenix could all top that deal. Even Cleveland if they offered Mobley or Garland could.

I don’t think the Knicks have a high end young player that would be attractive enough to Brooklyn.

And why wouldn’t OKC or NOLA be in on Durant?
How can these so called insiders  
Carl in CT : 2/7/2023 9:07 pm : link
Just make up shit over and over which never happens and they are still consider to be insiders. Just a freaking joke.
RE: How can these so called insiders  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 9:28 pm : link
In comment 16027108 Carl in CT said:
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Just make up shit over and over which never happens and they are still consider to be insiders. Just a freaking joke.


Which rumor?
RE: Kyrie already deleted his apology for his antisemetism stuff.  
JesseS : 2/7/2023 9:38 pm : link
In comment 16026997 Strahan91 said:
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Who’s gonna tell him what his new owner’s religion is?


Yeah. And he’s retweet Jordan Peterson, John Stockton, and Jason Whitlock. He’s clearly trying to make a statement. I have no problem with him doing that. I’m Jewish. Wish he would own it instead of just making up some BS reason about why he was disrespected. I’ve had clients that were openly antisemitic and I actually got along well with them because they owned it. Kyrie is such a tool. Never mind that he thinks he’s sophisticated and well read.
Tyree  
GMEN46 : 2/8/2023 9:03 am : link
Boston isn’t offering brown or Tatum so what’s this incredible offer?

Memphis isn’t going to offer bane, morant or jackson so what’s their better offer?

I agree on raptors but nets are probably rebuilding if they trade durant. Not sure they want siakim and van fleet.

Durant isn’t going to OKC or NOLA is my point he will have some say in it. Durant is too powerful to just send him wherever you want.

Suns - ayton has higher upside than rj but Knicks have 7 first rounders and wins have 3. I think RJ Obi with 7 picks beats ayton and 3 picks.

Cavs aren’t going  
GMEN46 : 2/8/2023 9:06 am : link
To offer any of those players. They are building for next 10 years.

What’s the denver offer?
Has there been any more recent Cam  
UGADawgs7 : 2/8/2023 10:33 am : link
talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman?
RE: Has there been any more recent Cam  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16027377 UGADawgs7 said:
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talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman?


Bondy claims he'll likely be bought out if he's not traded. Even for Leon Rose being unable to deal Reddish for a late 2nd etc would be something...

-Mentioned this yesterday but the Bucks are apparently interested in Rose.
RE: RE: Has there been any more recent Cam  
UGADawgs7 : 2/8/2023 10:46 am : link
In comment 16027381 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16027377 UGADawgs7 said:


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talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman?



Bondy claims he'll likely be bought out if he's not traded. Even for Leon Rose being unable to deal Reddish for a late 2nd etc would be something...

-Mentioned this yesterday but the Bucks are apparently interested in Rose.

Just saw someone else say this on Twitter. It makes 0 sense to not even be able to get a 2 for him. It amazes me how a GM plans to trade a player, but can’t tell the coach to give said player a few games to showcase that he can still play even if just 12 minutes for 2-3 games to garnish value back. In hockey, it happens all the time.
From Windhorst  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2023 10:52 am : link
he said teams are unwilling to engage the Nets to help them retain KD..

He also said the thinking of not trading KD has shifted for the Nets in the last 48 hours and there is now at least a possibility the Nets will trade him
RE: RE: Has there been any more recent Cam  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2023 10:52 am : link
In comment 16027381 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16027377 UGADawgs7 said:


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talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman?



Bondy claims he'll likely be bought out if he's not traded. Even for Leon Rose being unable to deal Reddish for a late 2nd etc would be something...

-Mentioned this yesterday but the Bucks are apparently interested in Rose.


Its also Bondy, who ha sbeen trolling a lot more lately
.  
Strahan91 : 2/8/2023 10:55 am : link
The Nets' position on not trading Kevin Durant may change, per Brian Windhorst

“That is an interesting development that has happened over the last 48 hours since the Kyrie trade from people that I've talked to.”
Windhorst  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2023 10:58 am : link
says the Nets may now be open to dealing Durant.
if the nets trade kd i think it's to phoenix  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2023 10:59 am : link
they have always been the team with the most potential motivation (desperation) since paul is 38 and having never won a championship.

add in a new owner already leaking (tampering) that they are prepared to make a run at kd and a roster full of compelling pieces, and if there's a team that increases their offer from last summer in-season in a short window i think it's them.

some combo of bridges, johnson, ayton, and all their picks (most post-kd/cp3) is a really strong return that i was surprised the nets didn't just take last summer, but i think the rumors are that phoenix never put their best offer on the table.

boston put jaylon brown on the table last summer and if they did that again with smart that would be another option but i dont see boston doing that since they are already the favorite.

i think the nets want to give it 1 more run with kd and deal with a trade in june but if a really strong offer comes in they should take it and run - but the strength of the offer will come with getting a legitimate top 30 young guy like bridges or brown.
secondarily 1 other benefit to the nets leaking this is it freezes  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2023 11:01 am : link
some of the other normal rental trade competition (like phoenix, miami, and boston).

if they know kd is on the market now or maybe in the summer, do they trade 1st for kelly olynyk or naz reid right now? i would guess they are less likely to do so and maybe that makes it easier for the nets to possibly grab one of them.
Wonder if James Jones and Sean Marks  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2023 11:01 am : link
sat down in person last night and Phoenix made a very good offer for Durant
RE: Wonder if James Jones and Sean Marks  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2023 11:04 am : link
In comment 16027410 nygiants16 said:
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sat down in person last night and Phoenix made a very good offer for Durant


cam j, ayton, and bridges put on a show. not sure ayton makes sense anymore with claxton emerging but that is by far the best value deal.
Saw this tweet and reminds me why I don’t want  
steve in ky : 2/8/2023 11:07 am : link
Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something.

KnicksMuse

@KnicksMuse
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Jan 13
The Knicks are the 6 seed.
Their oldest rotation player is 28.
They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years.
Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026.
The Knicks future is bright
I think the emergence of Cam Thomas swings the pendulum  
Vanzetti : 2/8/2023 11:11 am : link
There is really no dominant team in NBA this year. Nets should definitely make one last run with KD.

No Nash. No Kyrie. Two huge pluses.
If I'm the Nets I deal KD before  
bceagle05 : 2/8/2023 11:12 am : link
I make some shortsighted Hail Mary trade to try to satisfy him (like Claxton for OG or FVV).

Claxton is legitimately good, Cam Thomas has potential. Add in Dorian Finney-Smith, Cam Johnson, Mikal Bridges and some more picks - Sean Marks can work with that.

,  
Anakim : 2/8/2023 11:13 am : link
Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto

Sources: The Knicks have expressed interest in Blazers guard Josh Hart.
RE: Saw this tweet and reminds me why I don’t want  
Vanzetti : 2/8/2023 11:14 am : link
In comment 16027419 steve in ky said:
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Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something.

KnicksMuse

@KnicksMuse
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Jan 13
The Knicks are the 6 seed.
Their oldest rotation player is 28.
They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years.
Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026.
The Knicks future is bright


You can never say never. But Rose has not forced anything. It's all the rumors, most of which are BS, that make it seem as if he is desperately seeking trades.

If you judge by deeds rather than rumors, Rose has stayed the course, keeping the young core together and letting them grow.
RE: Saw this tweet and reminds me why I don’t want  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/8/2023 11:15 am : link
In comment 16027419 steve in ky said:
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Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something.

KnicksMuse

@KnicksMuse
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Jan 13
The Knicks are the 6 seed.
Their oldest rotation player is 28.
They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years.
Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026.
The Knicks future is bright


7 FRPs in the next 3 years plus a lot of young tradeable players also mean they can swing TWO moves if they wanted to. One for a solid piece and then another move for a Superstar



On the OG front....

Some Raptors stuff from the great @TheSteinLine:

- Raptors exploring GTJ + draft compensation for Jakob
- Raptors believe they can get 3 firsts for O.G
- Memphis, NOLA, NYK have all indicated a “willingness” to offer 2 picks for O.G
- KD situation stalling OG talks
RE: ,  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/8/2023 11:16 am : link
In comment 16027435 Anakim said:
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Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto

Sources: The Knicks have expressed interest in Blazers guard Josh Hart.


Is Hart a good defender or 3 pt shooter?
Obviously KD buying in is the best-case scenario  
bceagle05 : 2/8/2023 11:16 am : link
but he already make one trade request and word is Kyrie had to twist his arm to get him to Brooklyn to begin with.
RE: RE: ,  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2023 11:18 am : link
In comment 16027442 CornerStone246+17 said:
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In comment 16027435 Anakim said:


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Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto

Sources: The Knicks have expressed interest in Blazers guard Josh Hart.



Is Hart a good defender or 3 pt shooter?


Very good defender and rebounder for a wing, he can shoot the 3
Josh  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2023 11:21 am : link
Hart is a FA after this season. Would be a very odd move.
RE: If I'm the Nets I deal KD before  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2023 11:23 am : link
In comment 16027433 bceagle05 said:
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I make some shortsighted Hail Mary trade to try to satisfy him (like Claxton for OG or FVV).

Claxton is legitimately good, Cam Thomas has potential. Add in Dorian Finney-Smith, Cam Johnson, Mikal Bridges and some more picks - Sean Marks can work with that.


there is no way they trade claxton. he's 23, signed cheap for next year, and would open a hole bigger than the one any available player would fill (including siakam). he's the anchor of their d and at this point they are a defense first team.
Hart is having a bad  
Jan in DC : 2/8/2023 11:23 am : link
shooting year. I think I heard he's around 30%.
Cool  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2023 11:24 am : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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11h
New York Knicks center Jericho Sims has committed to participate in the NBA Slam Dunk Contest at All-Star Weekend, sources tell @TheAthletic
@Stadium
. Sims has emerged as a rotational big man for the Knicks this season.
RE: Saw this tweet and reminds me why I don’t want  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/8/2023 11:31 am : link
In comment 16027419 steve in ky said:
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Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something.

KnicksMuse

@KnicksMuse
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Jan 13
The Knicks are the 6 seed.
Their oldest rotation player is 28.
They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years.
Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026.
The Knicks future is bright


Interesting how that doesn’t equate to the same tongue bathing that the national basketball media gave the Nets for one barely over .500 season with one playoff win.
RE: Hart is having a bad  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/8/2023 11:34 am : link
In comment 16027458 Jan in DC said:
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shooting year. I think I heard he's around 30%.


No hes actually at 50% his 3 ball is not that great this uear though....


Jonathan Macri
@JCMacriNBA
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After tonight’s masterful scoring display down the stretch vs Orlando, Jalen Brunson now has 120 points in “clutch” situations - more than anyone else in the league.


This is to counterbalance Randle's UN clutchness in those late situations. Randle should NEVER be given the ball early in the clock to ISO. It should be Brunson creating either his own shot or setting someone else up he cuts to the basket or is wide open. Randle needs to be a clear 2B in this situation and Thibs needs to enforce that.

Last night, Brunson for 2 straight possessions late after multiple Randle bloopers refused to pass out to Randle . It resulted in a Brunson drive and score and then a Brunson drive and dish to Sims for a dunk.
Hart  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2023 11:39 am : link
is a career 34% shooter from 3, 30% this season. Very solid role player but again... he's a pending FA. Unless it's the Rose/Reddish types, pass.
I don't think they're going to do anything at the deadline  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/8/2023 11:54 am : link
Just my feeling.

Anyway, Randle should never touch the ball in clutch situations. He's not that guy. Stop forcing it. It's Brunson. Or try IQ, Grimes, or even RJ.

Best player is not always The Guy in big shot moments. When Giannis needed a big bucket in a playoff game, he gave the ball to Middleton.
Nets  
TyreeHelmet : 2/8/2023 12:36 pm : link
Really tough call for Brooklyn. If they get a monster offer from Phoenix or whoever else- will that package 100% still be there in the summer? What if Durant suffers another major injury?

Can the Nets as presently constituted really come out the East? I think thats asking alot of Durant. But if you get a full buy in from him for this season and beyond, they have a pretty nice roster and I wouldn't deal him.

He's also 34 years old who is unpredictable to say the least and a constant injury risk. Very difficult decision.

I also can't believe Phoenix is bringing in Isiah Thomas... good lord.
RE: I think the emergence of Cam Thomas swings the pendulum  
Kmed6000 : 2/8/2023 12:38 pm : link
In comment 16027430 Vanzetti said:
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There is really no dominant team in NBA this year. Nets should definitely make one last run with KD.

No Nash. No Kyrie. Two huge pluses.


lol at no kyrie being a plus. The dude is amazing at bball. The Nets have no shot as currently constructed.
Are the Nets without Kyrie better in a playoff series.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/8/2023 12:43 pm : link
Than Cleveland, Philly, or Milwaukee?

I dont think so. Would need to see to believe.
RE: Are the Nets without Kyrie better in a playoff series.  
TyreeHelmet : 2/8/2023 12:47 pm : link
In comment 16027560 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Than Cleveland, Philly, or Milwaukee?

I dont think so. Would need to see to believe.


Include Boston in that as well and possibly Miami.

I think the bigger question is if they can reload for next year and be a contender. But if I'm Sean Marks I need an absolute godfather offer before the deadline to pull the trigger.
I know you guys don't want  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/8/2023 1:05 pm : link
to think about it, but I really wonder how Ja and his dad would've navigated the NYC media if he was drafted over here. Ja is kind of proving himself to be a complete clown off the court and his dad is an attention whore to highest degree.
as always, Woj is the worst:  
Enzo : 2/8/2023 1:08 pm : link
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Adrian Wojnarowski
ESPN Sources: Lakers G Russell Westbrook and coach Darvin Ham had a brief, heated verbal exchange in the halftime locker room on Tuesday vs. OKC. Ham expressed frustration with how Westbrook lingered on the playing floor after getting subbed out of game late in second quarter.

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Adrian Wojnarowski
Voices were raised in locker room, but discussion turned back to trying to win game vs. Thunder, sources said. Ham closed game with Westbrook, who had a season-high 14 points in fourth quarter. Ham and Westbrook dapped up prior to leaving arena later in night.

bahahaha.
RE: I know you guys don't want  
Enzo : 2/8/2023 1:12 pm : link
In comment 16027582 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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to think about it, but I really wonder how Ja and his dad would've navigated the NYC media if he was drafted over here. Ja is kind of proving himself to be a complete clown off the court and his dad is an attention whore to highest degree.

Certainly possible that things would be magnified in NY simply because there's *more* media in NYC and how the Knicks are sometimes covered differently than other teams (for a variety of reasons). Then again, in the current media landscape everybody is so quick to jump to the next story so who knows.
7 1/2 hrs to go.  
Carl in CT : 2/9/2023 7:35 am : link
We gonna do anything else. Toronto holding cards.
RE: 7 1/2 hrs to go.  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2023 7:37 am : link
In comment 16028146 Carl in CT said:
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We gonna do anything else. Toronto holding cards.


I think at minimum Rose to Milwaukee..

Knicks do have 2 extra spaces
RE: RE: 7 1/2 hrs to go.  
Anakim : 2/9/2023 7:54 am : link
In comment 16028150 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16028146 Carl in CT said:


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We gonna do anything else. Toronto holding cards.



I think at minimum Rose to Milwaukee..

Knicks do have 2 extra spaces



God I hope they don't sign Westbrook
RE: RE: RE: 7 1/2 hrs to go.  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2023 8:01 am : link
In comment 16028154 Anakim said:
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In comment 16028150 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 16028146 Carl in CT said:


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We gonna do anything else. Toronto holding cards.



I think at minimum Rose to Milwaukee..

Knicks do have 2 extra spaces




God I hope they don't sign Westbrook


doubt it
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