NFT: Knicks Chat 2/6 - Trade deadline 50 hours away

usually their moves come out of nowhere...jist seems oddly quiet..

In comment 16026474 nygiants16 said:

Quote:

usually their moves come out of nowhere...jist seems oddly quiet..

Outside of moving around on draft night, this regime barely makes any trades at all. I wouldn't expect anything noteworthy.

under Thib's style certain players do not allow for him to run his fairly rigid 'collapse the paint and then quickly close out on the 3' system.

Obi's warts are too exposed in what Tom wants to do out there and he is unable to adapt.

In theory, Beasley and Vandy while not big time needle movers are much better fits. The roster construction will look much closer to what it needs to win sans the final superstar piece. They will probably chose the deal that keeps enough assets to make that final big move.

I REALLY hope they don't trade away/for players based on his system fits...

In comment 16026490 Shecky said:

Quote:

I REALLY hope they don't trade away/for players based on his system fits...

This. He's 65 years old, has never won a ring and is now 5 games under .500 since 2021-2022 began (66-71), why in the world are we worried about adding pieces to help his system? He should be shown the door in a few months.

Knicks have made in season trades the last two years (Reddish, Rose). I like Obi but if Randle and him cannot play together under Thibs, now is a good time to move Obi. Putting aside value judgements, Thibs is the coach and seems likely to be back next year. One of Thibs, Randle, or Obi would have to go and given where we are it will be Obi. I think the rumored Obi for Duarte trade makes a lot of sense.

all of these conversations to the end to try to get everyone's best offers.

woj says fvv most likely to go to either pho or lac and both would be really good fits for him. mann + kennard would be a nice return for toronto especially if they can squeeze out some picks. ive seen it speculated that phoenix cant be too aggressive with their picks right now in case KD hits the market again in the summer, which makes sense to me.

og and siakam who knows but my guess is he'd trade either if he gets his price and keeps either if he doesnt.

I like Obi and really hasn't been given enough of an opportunity here but he has some clear flaws as a player.

- does not rebound well- especially on defense.
- doesn't protect the rim and is a good perimeter defender.

He has great hands, is a talented finisher and can shoot it from 3 - especially this year. But I do think those flaws make him a hard fit and not just for the Knicks.

KNICKS CHAT.

shopping THjr and Christian Wood

In comment 16026474 nygiants16 said:

Quote:

usually their moves come out of nowhere...jist seems oddly quiet..

I would think THIS time they are going to make a move instead of sitting on their thumbs again. Either the Beasley/Vandy deal or OG or maybe a minor to medium surprise move. However the move will just be solidfying the roster in prep for the final chess piece whatever that becomes i.e Booker, SGA, Dame, etc.

A dark-horse candidate....I would think the guy who might be close to asking out behind the scenes is Dame. He has been super patient up there in Portland but they can never seem to get a good performing team around him. His window is quickly closing in terms of being at peak value in a trade too. I doubt it happens by the deadline but who knows....

NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
·
2m
NBA insider on Ben Simmons’ contract: ‘It’s one of the worst 3 contracts in the NBA’


-Mavs no longer interested in Reddish, looking for defensive help

In comment 16026510 CornerStone246+17 said:

Quote:

In comment 16026474 nygiants16 said: Quote: usually their moves come out of nowhere...jist seems oddly quiet.. I would think THIS time they are going to make a move instead of sitting on their thumbs again. Either the Beasley/Vandy deal or OG or maybe a minor to medium surprise move. However the move will just be solidfying the roster in prep for the final chess piece whatever that becomes i.e Booker, SGA, Dame, etc. A dark-horse candidate....I would think the guy who might be close to asking out behind the scenes is Dame. He has been super patient up there in Portland but they can never seem to get a good performing team around him. His window is quickly closing in terms of being at peak value in a trade too. I doubt it happens by the deadline but who knows....

Dame told them last year it was ok if they decided to trade him before he got hurt, he told them he wasnt going to ask out but if they traded him he would be ok with it and then he had surgery and talks all died...

to at least solidy the wing position, but then again i thought they would make a deal last year getting rid of the vets

How would Dame and Brunson work?

In comment 16026518 TyreeHelmet said:

Quote:

How would Dame and Brunson work?

Now it wont but last year it would have

it would work offensively, defensively no chance

on the putback at 1pm

think? lol


Kyle Lowry’s knee injury could be an ‘impediment’ in trade talks 😬, per @flasportsbuzz

In comment 16026512 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

NBACentral @TheNBACentral · 2m NBA insider on Ben Simmons’ contract: ‘It’s one of the worst 3 contracts in the NBA’ -Mavs no longer interested in Reddish, looking for defensive help

That was Windhorst with Zach Lowe re: Simmons. They talked about it on the most recent pod

i hated listening to him for awhile, but he has gotten pretty good

In comment 16026518 TyreeHelmet said:

Quote:

How would Dame and Brunson work?

Minutes distribution and having to make the move for OG as the complimentary defensive chess piece to compensate.

Roughly (Brunson and Dame 'only' together 20 minutes, OG the defesive chess piece)

Brunson(32)/Dame(14)/McBride
Dame(20)/Grimes/Quickley/OG
OG/RJ/Grimes
Randle/OG
Mitch

In comment 16026536 nygiants16 said:

Quote:

i hated listening to him for awhile, but he has gotten pretty good

Same here. He's still overly dramatic and corny but he's clearly tied into the league at high levels and puts the work in.

It was also pretty revealing how accurate he has been on big moves- particularly on the Harden Simmons trade compared to Woj.

In comment 16026536 nygiants16 said:

Quote:

i hated listening to him for awhile, but he has gotten pretty good

Felt like for the longest time he was just always in and around lebron talk. I know he covered him forever but it felt like he was exclusively a mouth piece for his camp.
However the Past few years he’s been on top of a ton of different trade talks and discussions and I’ve enjoyed when he’s on Zach lowes pod.
And if he says something. There’s always some serious smoke to it

have discussed Josh Richardson

In comment 16026536 nygiants16 said:

Quote:

i hated listening to him for awhile, but he has gotten pretty good

agree completely. His podcast is usually pretty good. Seems like he's moved beyond being a mouthpiece for agents (e.g. Woj) and is instead using his contacts and inside info to make best guesses as to what teams may or may not do. He's not quite as good as Lowe (who has a much different approach), but he's better than most of the other clowns out there.

Knicks and Nets not currently in talks with Toronto on OG

In comment 16026509 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

shopping THjr and Christian Wood

they need good 3 and D guys and Defensive big--- not those 2 so makes sense

the NBA has more so many of these former *insiders* who have fallen by the wayside. Remember Chris Broussard, lol? Chris Sheridan, Ken Berger, Chad Ford, Bucher, etc. Some of these guys are still around, but many of them are more or less irrelevant at this point.

In comment 16026557 Enzo said:

Quote:

the NBA has more so many of these former *insiders* who have fallen by the wayside. Remember Chris Broussard, lol? Chris Sheridan, Ken Berger, Chad Ford, Bucher, etc. Some of these guys are still around, but many of them are more or less irrelevant at this point.

Yup, David Aldridge was Woj before Woj

Here are the trades I would make if the other team is willing

OG and Porter ( salary filler ) for
RJ and Rose plus first rounder protected

Demar Derozan and Patrick Williams for

Obi and Fournier and Hart plus protected first


Reddish for draft capital. 2 seconds?


I want as many three and D players

Derozan and OG gives them that chance to go deep into playoffs

Ford, Bucher, Aldridge, Stein, Broussard...

Shams and Woj suck! :)

In comment 16026569 Earl the goat said:

Quote:

Demar Derozan and Patrick Williams for Obi and Fournier and Hart plus protected first

that package wouldn't get you ONE of Derozan or Williams - let alone both of them.

Legion Hoops

@LegionHoops

REPORT: The Lakers and Jazz have discussed a deal that sends Russell Westbrook and draft compensation to Utah for Mike Conley, Malik Beasley, and Jared Vanderbilt, via The Athletic.

Price too high and Toronto not budging.

Wouldn’t expect anything major from the Knicks. They’re still in conversations about Beasley.

Is it worth it for NYK to move some of their draft capital to get a bench player that MAY help them make the playoffs? Wouldn’t it be wise to either hold onto it and sell a tad, get a bit more or make a serious move that helps them now and the future?

they should definitely at least be trying to improve this team on the margins. Guys like caruso, olynk etc would really help the bench. Let's at least try to maximize what this team can do this year.

In comment 16026606 UGADawgs7 said:

Quote:

Is it worth it for NYK to move some of their draft capital to get a bench player that MAY help them make the playoffs? Wouldn’t it be wise to either hold onto it and sell a tad, get a bit more or make a serious move that helps them now and the future?

Its a good question, i think they have the ammo to make a serious move now and the offseason but the question is, is that player out there?

I think OG is a serious piece you can add but if Toronto is asking for 3 forsts, 2 unportected and a lightly protected plus yoing players, its a lot, even though i thkmk OG is a valuanle piece to add it sprobably to much..

There is some rumbilings that Lavine could be talked about but again what do they want and how much..

I think they need to add a bench wing, even if its a small move, it would at least stabilize the bench...

at a stretch 5, that is also a rim protector. I think that is the only thing they can improve on right now and move the needle on the team with this roster construct. Any major moves are in the off-season.

I know it is hard to fathom, but Porzingis is the perfect fit. Could Hartenstein, Reddish and giving back Washington's pick get it done.

In comment 16026612 JJ2525 said:

Quote:

they should definitely at least be trying to improve this team on the margins. Guys like caruso, olynk etc would really help the bench. Let's at least try to maximize what this team can do this year.

Bulls reportedly asking for *2* firsts for Caruso. So hard pass from me.


"Jamal Collier of ESPN reported Monday that the Eastern Conference team "has been open to listening to offers on the reserve guard." However, it would "likely have to be blown away" by an offer to complete such a move ahead of Thursday's deadline."

One player that's garnering plenty of attention? Alex Caruso, one of the NBA's best defenders earning only a mid-level salary. FiveThirtyEight's RAPTOR ranks Caruso as the NBA's very best defender regardless of position, and Dunks&Threes' EPM has him second, and as such, he's not going to come cheap. The Bulls want two first-round picks for Caruso, according to Jake Fischer on his live episode of Please Don't Aggregate This with Marc Stein.

In serious talks with anyone at this point.
Which in my mind is a good thing, no one moves the needle for this season but they need to be active in the summer.

atart to lower tomorrow and thursday but Toronto and Ujiri are hokding up the entire market..So many teams waiting to see if OG Pascal, FVV are available..

Also to a lesser extent Durant, a team like Phoenix probably wants to hold as many assets as they can to take a run at Durant but at the same time want to improve theor team this year..

Until Toronto makes a deciison or starts making moves, the market is going to be at a standstill

In comment 16026653 larryflower37 said:

Quote:

In serious talks with anyone at this point. Which in my mind is a good thing, no one moves the needle for this season but they need to be active in the summer.

This is where I am at. The worst thing that could happen is trading young players for pennies on the dollar and/or giving up assets for someone that fits Thibs' system. I honestly hope Thibs keeps up what he does and enough pressure is put on him to replace him. He did his job. He made us more respectable but we are not going further with him. Rip off the band-aid and let a new coach have influence on what we do with our assets moving forward. We need a front office and coach on the same page and that isn't the case.

In comment 16026614 nygiants16 said:

Quote:

In comment 16026606 UGADawgs7 said: Quote: Is it worth it for NYK to move some of their draft capital to get a bench player that MAY help them make the playoffs? Wouldn’t it be wise to either hold onto it and sell a tad, get a bit more or make a serious move that helps them now and the future? Its a good question, i think they have the ammo to make a serious move now and the offseason but the question is, is that player out there? I think OG is a serious piece you can add but if Toronto is asking for 3 forsts, 2 unportected and a lightly protected plus yoing players, its a lot, even though i thkmk OG is a valuanle piece to add it sprobably to much.. There is some rumbilings that Lavine could be talked about but again what do they want and how much.. I think they need to add a bench wing, even if its a small move, it would at least stabilize the bench...

Lavine imo is worrisome same as OG injury wise. As far as a bench wing, sorry but Reddish not playing at all even 12-15 mins a night as that “bench wing” is awful to not even see if he can be in that role, then go trade assets for one just is bad asset management imo.

I'm sure Rose has convinced Dolan it is a process. We have an All-Star in Randle, a guy in Brunson that should have been an All-Star. 2 excellent young pieces that are role players in Mitch and Grimes and still well positioned for that next star player. If I'm Rose that is my story and I'm sticking by it.

don't see anyone moving the needle this trade period.

Remember us trying to trade for Brunson last year? Just finish strong the season, look to upgrade the coach.

Nets and Durant are having ongoing conversations about the direction of the team, but so far inquiring teams have been turned away about Durant.

A shame the Nets will never deal him to the Knicks.

In comment 16026676 UGADawgs7 said:

Quote:

In comment 16026614 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 16026606 UGADawgs7 said: Quote: Is it worth it for NYK to move some of their draft capital to get a bench player that MAY help them make the playoffs? Wouldn’t it be wise to either hold onto it and sell a tad, get a bit more or make a serious move that helps them now and the future? Its a good question, i think they have the ammo to make a serious move now and the offseason but the question is, is that player out there? I think OG is a serious piece you can add but if Toronto is asking for 3 forsts, 2 unportected and a lightly protected plus yoing players, its a lot, even though i thkmk OG is a valuanle piece to add it sprobably to much.. There is some rumbilings that Lavine could be talked about but again what do they want and how much.. I think they need to add a bench wing, even if its a small move, it would at least stabilize the bench... Lavine imo is worrisome same as OG injury wise. As far as a bench wing, sorry but Reddish not playing at all even 12-15 mins a night as that “bench wing” is awful to not even see if he can be in that role, then go trade assets for one just is bad asset management imo.

I like Reddish, but he doesnt want that role, he wants to start and be a 1st or 2nd option..He wants to score, right now he is not willing to accept he is a role player..

In comment 16026688 Pete44 said:

Quote:

Nets and Durant are having ongoing conversations about the direction of the team, but so far inquiring teams have been turned away about Durant. A shame the Nets will never deal him to the Knicks.

what could the knicks offer? the picks with durant wont be great.
- obi? yuck
- barrett? knicks fans dont like him
- IQ? ill take cam thomas any day.

the time to trade for durant was when Barrett had #2 pick value still.

In comment 16026692 hitdog42 said:

Quote:

In comment 16026688 Pete44 said: Quote: Nets and Durant are having ongoing conversations about the direction of the team, but so far inquiring teams have been turned away about Durant. A shame the Nets will never deal him to the Knicks. what could the knicks offer? the picks with durant wont be great. - obi? yuck - barrett? knicks fans dont like him - IQ? ill take cam thomas any day. the time to trade for durant was when Barrett had #2 pick value still.

You arent serious about taking Cam Thomas over Quickley are you?

I do like IQ more also. That saying IQ needs to work on his basketball IQ. Not a smart player. I watched Cam many times but still don’t know enough if he is a smart player. I would defer to hitdog.

Is drawing fouls.

Clyde Frazier and Pearl Monroe in their primes for KD and the Nets would say no.

In comment 16026717 Carl in CT said:

Quote:

Is drawing fouls.

Iq has also become a top defender, good playmaker and has stop being a chuck fest..

In comment 16026715 Carl in CT said:

Quote:

I do like IQ more also. That saying IQ needs to work on his basketball IQ. Not a smart player. I watched Cam many times but still don’t know enough if he is a smart player. I would defer to hitdog.

IQ is the smartest defender on the team

In comment 16026576 Enzo said:

Quote:

In comment 16026569 Earl the goat said: Quote: Demar Derozan and Patrick Williams for Obi and Fournier and Hart plus protected first that package wouldn't get you ONE of Derozan or Williams - let alone both of them.

Correct. It's amazing the ridiculous trade proposals that are suggested.

In comment 16026715 Carl in CT said:

Quote:

I do like IQ more also. That saying IQ needs to work on his basketball IQ. Not a smart player. I watched Cam many times but still don’t know enough if he is a smart player. I would defer to hitdog.

WTF? is this a serious post?

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
6m
Nets are finalizing trade to send forward Kessler Edwards and cash to the Kings, sources tell ESPN. The Nets save a total of $8M in salary and luxury tax and open up a roster spot. Edwards still has to approve trade because he has a "one-year Bird Rights restriction" in his deal.

In comment 16026483 CornerStone246+17 said:

Quote:

under Thib's style certain players do not allow for him to run his fairly rigid 'collapse the paint and then quickly close out on the 3' system. Obi's warts are too exposed in what Tom wants to do out there and he is unable to adapt. In theory, Beasley and Vandy while not big time needle movers are much better fits. The roster construction will look much closer to what it needs to win sans the final superstar piece. They will probably chose the deal that keeps enough assets to make that final big move.

I'm old enough to remember people saying "Free Gerald Wilkins from Hubie Brown's offense!"

In comment 16026512 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

NBACentral @TheNBACentral · 2m NBA insider on Ben Simmons’ contract: ‘It’s one of the worst 3 contracts in the NBA’ -Mavs no longer interested in Reddish, looking for defensive help

Pretty sure that was Windy on Zach Lowe's podcast. Funny how that Twitter account is trying to "break" that quote.

In comment 16026625 Pete44 said:

Quote:

at a stretch 5, that is also a rim protector. I think that is the only thing they can improve on right now and move the needle on the team with this roster construct. Any major moves are in the off-season. I know it is hard to fathom, but Porzingis is the perfect fit. Could Hartenstein, Reddish and giving back Washington's pick get it done.

I don't think it's hard to fathom at all. Porzingis is a nice fit with this team and a great compliment to Mitch. Could play the 4 or 5, maybe some minutes at the 3, theoretically. Bench role probably perfect for him because he should limit his minutes.

I don't know whether that package would do it, and if the Knicks get KP, they should really move Obi. He'd be buried at the end of the bench, and at that point, he's worth a lot more in trade than he is on the roster.

SNY
@SNYtv
·
2h
The Nuggets have "registered some interest" in Cam Reddish ahead of Thursday's trade deadline

On their role players but the Knicks can’t move anyone unless they over pay in doing so? How about the Knicks asking a premium for their available players?

I’m fine will them dumping Reddish for whatever and then rolling with their own young guys until the off season.

In comment 16026789 steve in ky said:

Quote:

On their role players but the Knicks can’t move anyone unless they over pay in doing so? How about the Knicks asking a premium for their available players? I’m fine will them dumping Reddish for whatever and then rolling with their own young guys until the off season.

Because its preception of the Knicks, right or wrong....

argue the Knicks available pieces are less interesting to contending teams than a guy like Caruso is. Players that can be penciled in to help a contender have the ability to prompt something of a bidding war. The players the Knicks have to offer, really aren't those types.

RJ
Obi
7 first round picks

Are nets getting a better offer?

Ben Simmons seems to me to more interested in being known as an NBA hooper than actually, ya know, playing.

In comment 16026688 Pete44 said:

Quote:

Nets and Durant are having ongoing conversations about the direction of the team, but so far inquiring teams have been turned away about Durant. A shame the Nets will never deal him to the Knicks.

I think KD is moved this summer. I still can't believe he hitched his ride to a loon like Irving.

In comment 16026928 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

Quote:

In comment 16026688 Pete44 said: Quote: Nets and Durant are having ongoing conversations about the direction of the team, but so far inquiring teams have been turned away about Durant. A shame the Nets will never deal him to the Knicks. I think KD is moved this summer. I still can't believe he hitched his ride to a loon like Irving.

KD is a better teammate and human being than Irving is but he’s a pretty strange dude himself. Not that surprising that he’d gravitate towards another oddball like Kyrie, even if he himself isn’t destructive

Bill Simmons did a bunch of pods with KD when he was with the Dubs & he came across as a good dude, but man is he soft/sensitive. That's only been further evidenced in the past years with his burner account & him & Chuck going @ each other.

& I think a lot of people-myself included-will never give him credit for those 2 Dubs titles, which were weak AF. Is that unfair? Probably, even though he was the best player on the team. But that was/is Steph's team. That's why last year's NBA Finals win/first Finals MVP meant so much to Curry.

In comment 16026873 GMEN46 said:

Quote:

RJ Obi 7 first round picks Are nets getting a better offer?

It’s never going to happen. It would be like if Aaron Judge demanded a trade and the Mets made the Yankees the best offer. They still wouldn’t do it and he doesn’t want to play for the Knicks anyways. The only possibility (and that’s a strong word) would be if the Knicks somehow won the lottery and traded Wemby for him. Otherwise the Nets could never sell it to their fanbase.

In comment 16026873 GMEN46 said:

Quote:

RJ Obi 7 first round picks Are nets getting a better offer?

The nets could easily get a better offer than that. Doesn’t matter though- they would never trade him to the Knicks and he doesn’t want to be a Knick.

Who’s gonna tell him what his new owner’s religion is?

As an executive. Pretty tone deaf, but if he is as bad as he was with the Knicks…

Who would not be interested in KD, who can offer more than knicks if you decide to go into a rebuild?

I guess Toronto can offer Siakim and van fleet but that roster would stink then

Interested in Rose per Stein

In comment 16027053 GMEN46 said:

Quote:

Who would not be interested in KD, who can offer more than knicks if you decide to go into a rebuild? I guess Toronto can offer Siakim and van fleet but that roster would stink then

Boston, Memphis, Toronto, Denver, Portland, Phoenix could all top that deal. Even Cleveland if they offered Mobley or Garland could.

I don’t think the Knicks have a high end young player that would be attractive enough to Brooklyn.

And why wouldn’t OKC or NOLA be in on Durant?

Just make up shit over and over which never happens and they are still consider to be insiders. Just a freaking joke.

In comment 16027108 Carl in CT said:

Quote:

Just make up shit over and over which never happens and they are still consider to be insiders. Just a freaking joke.

Which rumor?

In comment 16026997 Strahan91 said:

Quote:

Who’s gonna tell him what his new owner’s religion is?

Yeah. And he’s retweet Jordan Peterson, John Stockton, and Jason Whitlock. He’s clearly trying to make a statement. I have no problem with him doing that. I’m Jewish. Wish he would own it instead of just making up some BS reason about why he was disrespected. I’ve had clients that were openly antisemitic and I actually got along well with them because they owned it. Kyrie is such a tool. Never mind that he thinks he’s sophisticated and well read.

Boston isn’t offering brown or Tatum so what’s this incredible offer?

Memphis isn’t going to offer bane, morant or jackson so what’s their better offer?

I agree on raptors but nets are probably rebuilding if they trade durant. Not sure they want siakim and van fleet.

Durant isn’t going to OKC or NOLA is my point he will have some say in it. Durant is too powerful to just send him wherever you want.

Suns - ayton has higher upside than rj but Knicks have 7 first rounders and wins have 3. I think RJ Obi with 7 picks beats ayton and 3 picks.

To offer any of those players. They are building for next 10 years.

What’s the denver offer?

talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman?

In comment 16027377 UGADawgs7 said:

Quote:

talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman?

Bondy claims he'll likely be bought out if he's not traded. Even for Leon Rose being unable to deal Reddish for a late 2nd etc would be something...

-Mentioned this yesterday but the Bucks are apparently interested in Rose.

In comment 16027381 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

In comment 16027377 UGADawgs7 said: Quote: talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman? Bondy claims he'll likely be bought out if he's not traded. Even for Leon Rose being unable to deal Reddish for a late 2nd etc would be something... -Mentioned this yesterday but the Bucks are apparently interested in Rose.

Just saw someone else say this on Twitter. It makes 0 sense to not even be able to get a 2 for him. It amazes me how a GM plans to trade a player, but can’t tell the coach to give said player a few games to showcase that he can still play even if just 12 minutes for 2-3 games to garnish value back. In hockey, it happens all the time.

he said teams are unwilling to engage the Nets to help them retain KD..

He also said the thinking of not trading KD has shifted for the Nets in the last 48 hours and there is now at least a possibility the Nets will trade him

In comment 16027381 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

In comment 16027377 UGADawgs7 said: Quote: talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman? Bondy claims he'll likely be bought out if he's not traded. Even for Leon Rose being unable to deal Reddish for a late 2nd etc would be something... -Mentioned this yesterday but the Bucks are apparently interested in Rose.

Its also Bondy, who ha sbeen trolling a lot more lately

The Nets' position on not trading Kevin Durant may change, per Brian Windhorst

“That is an interesting development that has happened over the last 48 hours since the Kyrie trade from people that I've talked to.”

says the Nets may now be open to dealing Durant.

they have always been the team with the most potential motivation (desperation) since paul is 38 and having never won a championship.

add in a new owner already leaking (tampering) that they are prepared to make a run at kd and a roster full of compelling pieces, and if there's a team that increases their offer from last summer in-season in a short window i think it's them.

some combo of bridges, johnson, ayton, and all their picks (most post-kd/cp3) is a really strong return that i was surprised the nets didn't just take last summer, but i think the rumors are that phoenix never put their best offer on the table.

boston put jaylon brown on the table last summer and if they did that again with smart that would be another option but i dont see boston doing that since they are already the favorite.

i think the nets want to give it 1 more run with kd and deal with a trade in june but if a really strong offer comes in they should take it and run - but the strength of the offer will come with getting a legitimate top 30 young guy like bridges or brown.

some of the other normal rental trade competition (like phoenix, miami, and boston).

if they know kd is on the market now or maybe in the summer, do they trade 1st for kelly olynyk or naz reid right now? i would guess they are less likely to do so and maybe that makes it easier for the nets to possibly grab one of them.

sat down in person last night and Phoenix made a very good offer for Durant

In comment 16027410 nygiants16 said:

Quote:

sat down in person last night and Phoenix made a very good offer for Durant

cam j, ayton, and bridges put on a show. not sure ayton makes sense anymore with claxton emerging but that is by far the best value deal.

Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something.

KnicksMuse

@KnicksMuse
·
Jan 13
The Knicks are the 6 seed.
Their oldest rotation player is 28.
They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years.
Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026.
The Knicks future is bright

There is really no dominant team in NBA this year. Nets should definitely make one last run with KD.

No Nash. No Kyrie. Two huge pluses.

I make some shortsighted Hail Mary trade to try to satisfy him (like Claxton for OG or FVV).

Claxton is legitimately good, Cam Thomas has potential. Add in Dorian Finney-Smith, Cam Johnson, Mikal Bridges and some more picks - Sean Marks can work with that.

Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto

Sources: The Knicks have expressed interest in Blazers guard Josh Hart.

In comment 16027419 steve in ky said:

Quote:

Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something. KnicksMuse @KnicksMuse · Jan 13 The Knicks are the 6 seed. Their oldest rotation player is 28. They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years. Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026. The Knicks future is bright

You can never say never. But Rose has not forced anything. It's all the rumors, most of which are BS, that make it seem as if he is desperately seeking trades.

If you judge by deeds rather than rumors, Rose has stayed the course, keeping the young core together and letting them grow.

In comment 16027419 steve in ky said:

Quote:

Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something. KnicksMuse @KnicksMuse · Jan 13 The Knicks are the 6 seed. Their oldest rotation player is 28. They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years. Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026. The Knicks future is bright

7 FRPs in the next 3 years plus a lot of young tradeable players also mean they can swing TWO moves if they wanted to. One for a solid piece and then another move for a Superstar



On the OG front....

Some Raptors stuff from the great @TheSteinLine:

- Raptors exploring GTJ + draft compensation for Jakob
- Raptors believe they can get 3 firsts for O.G
- Memphis, NOLA, NYK have all indicated a “willingness” to offer 2 picks for O.G
- KD situation stalling OG talks

In comment 16027435 Anakim said:

Quote:

Michael Scotto @MikeAScotto Sources: The Knicks have expressed interest in Blazers guard Josh Hart.

Is Hart a good defender or 3 pt shooter?

but he already make one trade request and word is Kyrie had to twist his arm to get him to Brooklyn to begin with.

In comment 16027442 CornerStone246+17 said:

Quote:

In comment 16027435 Anakim said: Quote: Michael Scotto @MikeAScotto Sources: The Knicks have expressed interest in Blazers guard Josh Hart. Is Hart a good defender or 3 pt shooter?

Very good defender and rebounder for a wing, he can shoot the 3

Hart is a FA after this season. Would be a very odd move.

In comment 16027433 bceagle05 said:

Quote:

I make some shortsighted Hail Mary trade to try to satisfy him (like Claxton for OG or FVV). Claxton is legitimately good, Cam Thomas has potential. Add in Dorian Finney-Smith, Cam Johnson, Mikal Bridges and some more picks - Sean Marks can work with that.

there is no way they trade claxton. he's 23, signed cheap for next year, and would open a hole bigger than the one any available player would fill (including siakam). he's the anchor of their d and at this point they are a defense first team.

shooting year. I think I heard he's around 30%.

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
11h
New York Knicks center Jericho Sims has committed to participate in the NBA Slam Dunk Contest at All-Star Weekend, sources tell @TheAthletic
@Stadium
. Sims has emerged as a rotational big man for the Knicks this season.

In comment 16027419 steve in ky said:

Quote:

Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something. KnicksMuse @KnicksMuse · Jan 13 The Knicks are the 6 seed. Their oldest rotation player is 28. They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years. Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026. The Knicks future is bright

Interesting how that doesn’t equate to the same tongue bathing that the national basketball media gave the Nets for one barely over .500 season with one playoff win.

In comment 16027458 Jan in DC said:

Quote:

shooting year. I think I heard he's around 30%.

No hes actually at 50% his 3 ball is not that great this uear though....


Jonathan Macri
@JCMacriNBA
·
Follow
After tonight’s masterful scoring display down the stretch vs Orlando, Jalen Brunson now has 120 points in “clutch” situations - more than anyone else in the league.


This is to counterbalance Randle's UN clutchness in those late situations. Randle should NEVER be given the ball early in the clock to ISO. It should be Brunson creating either his own shot or setting someone else up he cuts to the basket or is wide open. Randle needs to be a clear 2B in this situation and Thibs needs to enforce that.

Last night, Brunson for 2 straight possessions late after multiple Randle bloopers refused to pass out to Randle . It resulted in a Brunson drive and score and then a Brunson drive and dish to Sims for a dunk.

is a career 34% shooter from 3, 30% this season. Very solid role player but again... he's a pending FA. Unless it's the Rose/Reddish types, pass.

Just my feeling.

Anyway, Randle should never touch the ball in clutch situations. He's not that guy. Stop forcing it. It's Brunson. Or try IQ, Grimes, or even RJ.

Best player is not always The Guy in big shot moments. When Giannis needed a big bucket in a playoff game, he gave the ball to Middleton.

Really tough call for Brooklyn. If they get a monster offer from Phoenix or whoever else- will that package 100% still be there in the summer? What if Durant suffers another major injury?

Can the Nets as presently constituted really come out the East? I think thats asking alot of Durant. But if you get a full buy in from him for this season and beyond, they have a pretty nice roster and I wouldn't deal him.

He's also 34 years old who is unpredictable to say the least and a constant injury risk. Very difficult decision.

I also can't believe Phoenix is bringing in Isiah Thomas... good lord.

In comment 16027430 Vanzetti said:

Quote:

There is really no dominant team in NBA this year. Nets should definitely make one last run with KD. No Nash. No Kyrie. Two huge pluses.

lol at no kyrie being a plus. The dude is amazing at bball. The Nets have no shot as currently constructed.

Than Cleveland, Philly, or Milwaukee?

I dont think so. Would need to see to believe.

In comment 16027560 Ten Ton Hammer said:

Quote:

Than Cleveland, Philly, or Milwaukee? I dont think so. Would need to see to believe.

Include Boston in that as well and possibly Miami.

I think the bigger question is if they can reload for next year and be a contender. But if I'm Sean Marks I need an absolute godfather offer before the deadline to pull the trigger.

to think about it, but I really wonder how Ja and his dad would've navigated the NYC media if he was drafted over here. Ja is kind of proving himself to be a complete clown off the court and his dad is an attention whore to highest degree.

Quote:

Adrian Wojnarowski ESPN Sources: Lakers G Russell Westbrook and coach Darvin Ham had a brief, heated verbal exchange in the halftime locker room on Tuesday vs. OKC. Ham expressed frustration with how Westbrook lingered on the playing floor after getting subbed out of game late in second quarter.

Quote:

Adrian Wojnarowski Voices were raised in locker room, but discussion turned back to trying to win game vs. Thunder, sources said. Ham closed game with Westbrook, who had a season-high 14 points in fourth quarter. Ham and Westbrook dapped up prior to leaving arena later in night.

bahahaha.

In comment 16027582 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

Quote:

to think about it, but I really wonder how Ja and his dad would've navigated the NYC media if he was drafted over here. Ja is kind of proving himself to be a complete clown off the court and his dad is an attention whore to highest degree.

Certainly possible that things would be magnified in NY simply because there's *more* media in NYC and how the Knicks are sometimes covered differently than other teams (for a variety of reasons). Then again, in the current media landscape everybody is so quick to jump to the next story so who knows.

We gonna do anything else. Toronto holding cards.

In comment 16028146 Carl in CT said:

Quote:

We gonna do anything else. Toronto holding cards.

I think at minimum Rose to Milwaukee..

Knicks do have 2 extra spaces

In comment 16028150 nygiants16 said:

Quote:

In comment 16028146 Carl in CT said: Quote: We gonna do anything else. Toronto holding cards. I think at minimum Rose to Milwaukee.. Knicks do have 2 extra spaces

God I hope they don't sign Westbrook

In comment 16028154 Anakim said:

Quote:

In comment 16028150 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 16028146 Carl in CT said: Quote: We gonna do anything else. Toronto holding cards. I think at minimum Rose to Milwaukee.. Knicks do have 2 extra spaces God I hope they don't sign Westbrook

doubt it