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NFT: Knicks Chat 2/6 - Trade deadline 50 hours away

Knickstape : 2/7/2023 12:23 pm
Trade deadline closing in still not a ton of chatter around the Knicks other than the rumored jazz deal. I am not in favor of the move to send obi and one first for Beasley and Vanderbilt

I’m Holding out hope they make a move for OG as long as the price is right and if there’s no deal to be made I’d keep it simple at the deadline and go get someone like Eric Gordon or a player of that caliber for a pair of 2nds.

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Its really quiet surrounding the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 12:26 pm : link
usually their moves come out of nowhere...jist seems oddly quiet..
RE: Its really quiet surrounding the Knicks  
Strahan91 : 2/7/2023 12:29 pm : link
In comment 16026474 nygiants16 said:
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usually their moves come out of nowhere...jist seems oddly quiet..

Outside of moving around on draft night, this regime barely makes any trades at all. I wouldn't expect anything noteworthy.
Thinking unfortunately this comes down to system fits  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/7/2023 12:31 pm : link
under Thib's style certain players do not allow for him to run his fairly rigid 'collapse the paint and then quickly close out on the 3' system.

Obi's warts are too exposed in what Tom wants to do out there and he is unable to adapt.

In theory, Beasley and Vandy while not big time needle movers are much better fits. The roster construction will look much closer to what it needs to win sans the final superstar piece. They will probably chose the deal that keeps enough assets to make that final big move.
The reality is, Thibs won't be here much longer  
Shecky : 2/7/2023 12:32 pm : link
I REALLY hope they don't trade away/for players based on his system fits...
RE: The reality is, Thibs won't be here much longer  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16026490 Shecky said:
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I REALLY hope they don't trade away/for players based on his system fits...


This. He's 65 years old, has never won a ring and is now 5 games under .500 since 2021-2022 began (66-71), why in the world are we worried about adding pieces to help his system? He should be shown the door in a few months.
NYK  
31southst : 2/7/2023 12:35 pm : link
Knicks have made in season trades the last two years (Reddish, Rose). I like Obi but if Randle and him cannot play together under Thibs, now is a good time to move Obi. Putting aside value judgements, Thibs is the coach and seems likely to be back next year. One of Thibs, Randle, or Obi would have to go and given where we are it will be Obi. I think the rumored Obi for Duarte trade makes a lot of sense.
everything is going through toronto right now and ujiri probably drags  
Eric on Li : 2/7/2023 12:39 pm : link
all of these conversations to the end to try to get everyone's best offers.

woj says fvv most likely to go to either pho or lac and both would be really good fits for him. mann + kennard would be a nice return for toronto especially if they can squeeze out some picks. ive seen it speculated that phoenix cant be too aggressive with their picks right now in case KD hits the market again in the summer, which makes sense to me.

og and siakam who knows but my guess is he'd trade either if he gets his price and keeps either if he doesnt.
Obi  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2023 12:39 pm : link
I like Obi and really hasn't been given enough of an opportunity here but he has some clear flaws as a player.

- does not rebound well- especially on defense.
- doesn't protect the rim and is a good perimeter defender.

He has great hands, is a talented finisher and can shoot it from 3 - especially this year. But I do think those flaws make him a hard fit and not just for the Knicks.
Let’s hope this stays  
Carl in CT : 2/7/2023 12:41 pm : link
KNICKS CHAT.
Mavs  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 12:41 pm : link
shopping THjr and Christian Wood
RE: Its really quiet surrounding the Knicks  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/7/2023 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16026474 nygiants16 said:
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usually their moves come out of nowhere...jist seems oddly quiet..


I would think THIS time they are going to make a move instead of sitting on their thumbs again. Either the Beasley/Vandy deal or OG or maybe a minor to medium surprise move. However the move will just be solidfying the roster in prep for the final chess piece whatever that becomes i.e Booker, SGA, Dame, etc.

A dark-horse candidate....I would think the guy who might be close to asking out behind the scenes is Dame. He has been super patient up there in Portland but they can never seem to get a good performing team around him. His window is quickly closing in terms of being at peak value in a trade too. I doubt it happens by the deadline but who knows....
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DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 12:43 pm : link
NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
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NBA insider on Ben Simmons’ contract: ‘It’s one of the worst 3 contracts in the NBA’


-Mavs no longer interested in Reddish, looking for defensive help
RE: RE: Its really quiet surrounding the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16026510 CornerStone246+17 said:
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In comment 16026474 nygiants16 said:


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usually their moves come out of nowhere...jist seems oddly quiet..



I would think THIS time they are going to make a move instead of sitting on their thumbs again. Either the Beasley/Vandy deal or OG or maybe a minor to medium surprise move. However the move will just be solidfying the roster in prep for the final chess piece whatever that becomes i.e Booker, SGA, Dame, etc.

A dark-horse candidate....I would think the guy who might be close to asking out behind the scenes is Dame. He has been super patient up there in Portland but they can never seem to get a good performing team around him. His window is quickly closing in terms of being at peak value in a trade too. I doubt it happens by the deadline but who knows....


Dame told them last year it was ok if they decided to trade him before he got hurt, he told them he wasnt going to ask out but if they traded him he would be ok with it and then he had surgery and talks all died...
I do think Knicks make a deal  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 12:44 pm : link
to at least solidy the wing position, but then again i thought they would make a deal last year getting rid of the vets
Dame  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2023 12:47 pm : link
How would Dame and Brunson work?
RE: Dame  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16026518 TyreeHelmet said:
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How would Dame and Brunson work?


Now it wont but last year it would have
Let me clarifu  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 12:49 pm : link
it would work offensively, defensively no chance
Jake Fischer will be on with Begely  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 12:53 pm : link
on the putback at 1pm
Ya  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 12:54 pm : link
think? lol


Kyle Lowry’s knee injury could be an ‘impediment’ in trade talks 😬, per @flasportsbuzz
RE: .  
Strahan91 : 2/7/2023 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16026512 DanMetroMan said:
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NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
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NBA insider on Ben Simmons’ contract: ‘It’s one of the worst 3 contracts in the NBA’


-Mavs no longer interested in Reddish, looking for defensive help

That was Windhorst with Zach Lowe re: Simmons. They talked about it on the most recent pod
Is anyone else starting to like listening to windhorst?  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 12:57 pm : link
i hated listening to him for awhile, but he has gotten pretty good
RE: Dame  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/7/2023 12:57 pm : link
In comment 16026518 TyreeHelmet said:
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How would Dame and Brunson work?


Minutes distribution and having to make the move for OG as the complimentary defensive chess piece to compensate.

Roughly (Brunson and Dame 'only' together 20 minutes, OG the defesive chess piece)

Brunson(32)/Dame(14)/McBride
Dame(20)/Grimes/Quickley/OG
OG/RJ/Grimes
Randle/OG
Mitch
RE: Is anyone else starting to like listening to windhorst?  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2023 1:02 pm : link
In comment 16026536 nygiants16 said:
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i hated listening to him for awhile, but he has gotten pretty good


Same here. He's still overly dramatic and corny but he's clearly tied into the league at high levels and puts the work in.

It was also pretty revealing how accurate he has been on big moves- particularly on the Harden Simmons trade compared to Woj.
RE: Is anyone else starting to like listening to windhorst?  
Knickstape : 2/7/2023 1:03 pm : link
In comment 16026536 nygiants16 said:
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i hated listening to him for awhile, but he has gotten pretty good


Felt like for the longest time he was just always in and around lebron talk. I know he covered him forever but it felt like he was exclusively a mouth piece for his camp.
However the Past few years he’s been on top of a ton of different trade talks and discussions and I’ve enjoyed when he’s on Zach lowes pod.
And if he says something. There’s always some serious smoke to it
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 1:04 pm : link
have discussed Josh Richardson
RE: Is anyone else starting to like listening to windhorst?  
Enzo : 2/7/2023 1:05 pm : link
In comment 16026536 nygiants16 said:
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i hated listening to him for awhile, but he has gotten pretty good

agree completely. His podcast is usually pretty good. Seems like he's moved beyond being a mouthpiece for agents (e.g. Woj) and is instead using his contacts and inside info to make best guesses as to what teams may or may not do. He's not quite as good as Lowe (who has a much different approach), but he's better than most of the other clowns out there.
Fischer says  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 1:06 pm : link
Knicks and Nets not currently in talks with Toronto on OG
RE: Mavs  
hitdog42 : 2/7/2023 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16026509 DanMetroMan said:
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shopping THjr and Christian Wood


they need good 3 and D guys and Defensive big--- not those 2 so makes sense
I feel like  
Enzo : 2/7/2023 1:09 pm : link
the NBA has more so many of these former *insiders* who have fallen by the wayside. Remember Chris Broussard, lol? Chris Sheridan, Ken Berger, Chad Ford, Bucher, etc. Some of these guys are still around, but many of them are more or less irrelevant at this point.
RE: I feel like  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 1:11 pm : link
In comment 16026557 Enzo said:
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the NBA has more so many of these former *insiders* who have fallen by the wayside. Remember Chris Broussard, lol? Chris Sheridan, Ken Berger, Chad Ford, Bucher, etc. Some of these guys are still around, but many of them are more or less irrelevant at this point.


Yup, David Aldridge was Woj before Woj
I’m playing GM  
Earl the goat : 2/7/2023 1:21 pm : link
Here are the trades I would make if the other team is willing

OG and Porter ( salary filler ) for
RJ and Rose plus first rounder protected

Demar Derozan and Patrick Williams for

Obi and Fournier and Hart plus protected first


Reddish for draft capital. 2 seconds?


I want as many three and D players

Derozan and OG gives them that chance to go deep into playoffs

Fun times  
Anakim : 2/7/2023 1:28 pm : link
Ford, Bucher, Aldridge, Stein, Broussard...

Shams and Woj suck! :)
RE: I’m playing GM  
Enzo : 2/7/2023 1:29 pm : link
In comment 16026569 Earl the goat said:
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Demar Derozan and Patrick Williams for

Obi and Fournier and Hart plus protected first

that package wouldn't get you ONE of Derozan or Williams - let alone both of them.
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Anakim : 2/7/2023 1:34 pm : link
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REPORT: The Lakers and Jazz have discussed a deal that sends Russell Westbrook and draft compensation to Utah for Mike Conley, Malik Beasley, and Jared Vanderbilt, via The Athletic.
OG probably won’t be moved as of now  
ajr2456 : 2/7/2023 1:36 pm : link
Price too high and Toronto not budging.

Wouldn’t expect anything major from the Knicks. They’re still in conversations about Beasley.
Serious question  
UGADawgs7 : 2/7/2023 1:53 pm : link
Is it worth it for NYK to move some of their draft capital to get a bench player that MAY help them make the playoffs? Wouldn’t it be wise to either hold onto it and sell a tad, get a bit more or make a serious move that helps them now and the future?
im fine if there's no splash move to be made but...  
JJ2525 : 2/7/2023 1:58 pm : link
they should definitely at least be trying to improve this team on the margins. Guys like caruso, olynk etc would really help the bench. Let's at least try to maximize what this team can do this year.
RE: Serious question  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 2:00 pm : link
In comment 16026606 UGADawgs7 said:
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Is it worth it for NYK to move some of their draft capital to get a bench player that MAY help them make the playoffs? Wouldn’t it be wise to either hold onto it and sell a tad, get a bit more or make a serious move that helps them now and the future?


Its a good question, i think they have the ammo to make a serious move now and the offseason but the question is, is that player out there?

I think OG is a serious piece you can add but if Toronto is asking for 3 forsts, 2 unportected and a lightly protected plus yoing players, its a lot, even though i thkmk OG is a valuanle piece to add it sprobably to much..

There is some rumbilings that Lavine could be talked about but again what do they want and how much..

I think they need to add a bench wing, even if its a small move, it would at least stabilize the bench...
Knicks should be looking hard  
Pete44 : 2/7/2023 2:11 pm : link
at a stretch 5, that is also a rim protector. I think that is the only thing they can improve on right now and move the needle on the team with this roster construct. Any major moves are in the off-season.

I know it is hard to fathom, but Porzingis is the perfect fit. Could Hartenstein, Reddish and giving back Washington's pick get it done.
RE: im fine if there's no splash move to be made but...  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16026612 JJ2525 said:
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they should definitely at least be trying to improve this team on the margins. Guys like caruso, olynk etc would really help the bench. Let's at least try to maximize what this team can do this year.


Bulls reportedly asking for *2* firsts for Caruso. So hard pass from me.


"Jamal Collier of ESPN reported Monday that the Eastern Conference team "has been open to listening to offers on the reserve guard." However, it would "likely have to be blown away" by an offer to complete such a move ahead of Thursday's deadline."
CBS  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 2:14 pm : link
One player that's garnering plenty of attention? Alex Caruso, one of the NBA's best defenders earning only a mid-level salary. FiveThirtyEight's RAPTOR ranks Caruso as the NBA's very best defender regardless of position, and Dunks&Threes' EPM has him second, and as such, he's not going to come cheap. The Bulls want two first-round picks for Caruso, according to Jake Fischer on his live episode of Please Don't Aggregate This with Marc Stein.
It sounds like the Knicks are not  
larryflower37 : 2/7/2023 2:34 pm : link
In serious talks with anyone at this point.
Which in my mind is a good thing, no one moves the needle for this season but they need to be active in the summer.
Asking prices you would think  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 2:35 pm : link
atart to lower tomorrow and thursday but Toronto and Ujiri are hokding up the entire market..So many teams waiting to see if OG Pascal, FVV are available..

Also to a lesser extent Durant, a team like Phoenix probably wants to hold as many assets as they can to take a run at Durant but at the same time want to improve theor team this year..

Until Toronto makes a deciison or starts making moves, the market is going to be at a standstill
RE: It sounds like the Knicks are not  
robbieballs2003 : 2/7/2023 2:50 pm : link
In comment 16026653 larryflower37 said:
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In serious talks with anyone at this point.
Which in my mind is a good thing, no one moves the needle for this season but they need to be active in the summer.


This is where I am at. The worst thing that could happen is trading young players for pennies on the dollar and/or giving up assets for someone that fits Thibs' system. I honestly hope Thibs keeps up what he does and enough pressure is put on him to replace him. He did his job. He made us more respectable but we are not going further with him. Rip off the band-aid and let a new coach have influence on what we do with our assets moving forward. We need a front office and coach on the same page and that isn't the case.
RE: RE: Serious question  
UGADawgs7 : 2/7/2023 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16026614 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16026606 UGADawgs7 said:


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Is it worth it for NYK to move some of their draft capital to get a bench player that MAY help them make the playoffs? Wouldn’t it be wise to either hold onto it and sell a tad, get a bit more or make a serious move that helps them now and the future?



Its a good question, i think they have the ammo to make a serious move now and the offseason but the question is, is that player out there?

I think OG is a serious piece you can add but if Toronto is asking for 3 forsts, 2 unportected and a lightly protected plus yoing players, its a lot, even though i thkmk OG is a valuanle piece to add it sprobably to much..

There is some rumbilings that Lavine could be talked about but again what do they want and how much..

I think they need to add a bench wing, even if its a small move, it would at least stabilize the bench...


Lavine imo is worrisome same as OG injury wise. As far as a bench wing, sorry but Reddish not playing at all even 12-15 mins a night as that “bench wing” is awful to not even see if he can be in that role, then go trade assets for one just is bad asset management imo.
I'm sure Rose  
Pete44 : 2/7/2023 2:53 pm : link
I'm sure Rose has convinced Dolan it is a process. We have an All-Star in Randle, a guy in Brunson that should have been an All-Star. 2 excellent young pieces that are role players in Mitch and Grimes and still well positioned for that next star player. If I'm Rose that is my story and I'm sticking by it.
Meh..  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 2/7/2023 2:57 pm : link
don't see anyone moving the needle this trade period.

Remember us trying to trade for Brunson last year? Just finish strong the season, look to upgrade the coach.
Woj is reporting  
Pete44 : 2/7/2023 2:59 pm : link
Nets and Durant are having ongoing conversations about the direction of the team, but so far inquiring teams have been turned away about Durant.

A shame the Nets will never deal him to the Knicks.
RE: RE: RE: Serious question  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16026676 UGADawgs7 said:
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In comment 16026614 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 16026606 UGADawgs7 said:


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Is it worth it for NYK to move some of their draft capital to get a bench player that MAY help them make the playoffs? Wouldn’t it be wise to either hold onto it and sell a tad, get a bit more or make a serious move that helps them now and the future?



Its a good question, i think they have the ammo to make a serious move now and the offseason but the question is, is that player out there?

I think OG is a serious piece you can add but if Toronto is asking for 3 forsts, 2 unportected and a lightly protected plus yoing players, its a lot, even though i thkmk OG is a valuanle piece to add it sprobably to much..

There is some rumbilings that Lavine could be talked about but again what do they want and how much..

I think they need to add a bench wing, even if its a small move, it would at least stabilize the bench...



Lavine imo is worrisome same as OG injury wise. As far as a bench wing, sorry but Reddish not playing at all even 12-15 mins a night as that “bench wing” is awful to not even see if he can be in that role, then go trade assets for one just is bad asset management imo.


I like Reddish, but he doesnt want that role, he wants to start and be a 1st or 2nd option..He wants to score, right now he is not willing to accept he is a role player..
RE: Woj is reporting  
hitdog42 : 2/7/2023 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16026688 Pete44 said:
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Nets and Durant are having ongoing conversations about the direction of the team, but so far inquiring teams have been turned away about Durant.

A shame the Nets will never deal him to the Knicks.


what could the knicks offer? the picks with durant wont be great.
- obi? yuck
- barrett? knicks fans dont like him
- IQ? ill take cam thomas any day.

the time to trade for durant was when Barrett had #2 pick value still.
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