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NFT: Knicks Chat 2/6 - Trade deadline 50 hours away

Knickstape : 2/7/2023 12:23 pm
Trade deadline closing in still not a ton of chatter around the Knicks other than the rumored jazz deal. I am not in favor of the move to send obi and one first for Beasley and Vanderbilt

I’m Holding out hope they make a move for OG as long as the price is right and if there’s no deal to be made I’d keep it simple at the deadline and go get someone like Eric Gordon or a player of that caliber for a pair of 2nds.

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RE: RE: Woj is reporting  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16026692 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 16026688 Pete44 said:


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Nets and Durant are having ongoing conversations about the direction of the team, but so far inquiring teams have been turned away about Durant.

A shame the Nets will never deal him to the Knicks.



what could the knicks offer? the picks with durant wont be great.
- obi? yuck
- barrett? knicks fans dont like him
- IQ? ill take cam thomas any day.

the time to trade for durant was when Barrett had #2 pick value still.


You arent serious about taking Cam Thomas over Quickley are you?
Depends on team makeup  
Carl in CT : 2/7/2023 3:21 pm : link
I do like IQ more also. That saying IQ needs to work on his basketball IQ. Not a smart player. I watched Cam many times but still don’t know enough if he is a smart player. I would defer to hitdog.
What IQ is top notch at  
Carl in CT : 2/7/2023 3:22 pm : link
Is drawing fouls.
Knicks could offer  
bceagle05 : 2/7/2023 3:22 pm : link
Clyde Frazier and Pearl Monroe in their primes for KD and the Nets would say no.
RE: What IQ is top notch at  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 3:25 pm : link
In comment 16026717 Carl in CT said:
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Is drawing fouls.


Iq has also become a top defender, good playmaker and has stop being a chuck fest..
RE: Depends on team makeup  
Heisenberg : 2/7/2023 3:27 pm : link
In comment 16026715 Carl in CT said:
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I do like IQ more also. That saying IQ needs to work on his basketball IQ. Not a smart player. I watched Cam many times but still don’t know enough if he is a smart player. I would defer to hitdog.


IQ is the smartest defender on the team
RE: RE: I’m playing GM  
KDavies : 2/7/2023 3:29 pm : link
In comment 16026576 Enzo said:
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In comment 16026569 Earl the goat said:


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Demar Derozan and Patrick Williams for

Obi and Fournier and Hart plus protected first



that package wouldn't get you ONE of Derozan or Williams - let alone both of them.


Correct. It's amazing the ridiculous trade proposals that are suggested.
RE: Depends on team makeup  
Enzo : 2/7/2023 3:29 pm : link
In comment 16026715 Carl in CT said:
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I do like IQ more also. That saying IQ needs to work on his basketball IQ. Not a smart player. I watched Cam many times but still don’t know enough if he is a smart player. I would defer to hitdog.

WTF? is this a serious post?
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DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 3:56 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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Nets are finalizing trade to send forward Kessler Edwards and cash to the Kings, sources tell ESPN. The Nets save a total of $8M in salary and luxury tax and open up a roster spot. Edwards still has to approve trade because he has a "one-year Bird Rights restriction" in his deal.
RE: Thinking unfortunately this comes down to system fits  
81_Great_Dane : 2/7/2023 4:04 pm : link
In comment 16026483 CornerStone246+17 said:
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under Thib's style certain players do not allow for him to run his fairly rigid 'collapse the paint and then quickly close out on the 3' system.

Obi's warts are too exposed in what Tom wants to do out there and he is unable to adapt.

In theory, Beasley and Vandy while not big time needle movers are much better fits. The roster construction will look much closer to what it needs to win sans the final superstar piece. They will probably chose the deal that keeps enough assets to make that final big move.
I'm old enough to remember people saying "Free Gerald Wilkins from Hubie Brown's offense!"
RE: .  
Jan in DC : 2/7/2023 4:09 pm : link
In comment 16026512 DanMetroMan said:
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NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
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2m
NBA insider on Ben Simmons’ contract: ‘It’s one of the worst 3 contracts in the NBA’


-Mavs no longer interested in Reddish, looking for defensive help


Pretty sure that was Windy on Zach Lowe's podcast. Funny how that Twitter account is trying to "break" that quote.
RE: Knicks should be looking hard  
81_Great_Dane : 2/7/2023 4:09 pm : link
In comment 16026625 Pete44 said:
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at a stretch 5, that is also a rim protector. I think that is the only thing they can improve on right now and move the needle on the team with this roster construct. Any major moves are in the off-season.

I know it is hard to fathom, but Porzingis is the perfect fit. Could Hartenstein, Reddish and giving back Washington's pick get it done.
I don't think it's hard to fathom at all. Porzingis is a nice fit with this team and a great compliment to Mitch. Could play the 4 or 5, maybe some minutes at the 3, theoretically. Bench role probably perfect for him because he should limit his minutes.

I don't know whether that package would do it, and if the Knicks get KP, they should really move Obi. He'd be buried at the end of the bench, and at that point, he's worth a lot more in trade than he is on the roster.
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DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 4:10 pm : link
SNY
@SNYtv
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The Nuggets have "registered some interest" in Cam Reddish ahead of Thursday's trade deadline
Why is it that every other team is asking premium returns  
steve in ky : 2/7/2023 4:23 pm : link
On their role players but the Knicks can’t move anyone unless they over pay in doing so? How about the Knicks asking a premium for their available players?

I’m fine will them dumping Reddish for whatever and then rolling with their own young guys until the off season.

RE: Why is it that every other team is asking premium returns  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 4:27 pm : link
In comment 16026789 steve in ky said:
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On their role players but the Knicks can’t move anyone unless they over pay in doing so? How about the Knicks asking a premium for their available players?

I’m fine will them dumping Reddish for whatever and then rolling with their own young guys until the off season.


Because its preception of the Knicks, right or wrong....
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 4:27 pm : link
argue the Knicks available pieces are less interesting to contending teams than a guy like Caruso is. Players that can be penciled in to help a contender have the ability to prompt something of a bidding war. The players the Knicks have to offer, really aren't those types.
If Knicks offered nets  
GMEN46 : 2/7/2023 5:49 pm : link
RJ
Obi
7 first round picks

Are nets getting a better offer?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/7/2023 6:33 pm : link
Ben Simmons seems to me to more interested in being known as an NBA hooper than actually, ya know, playing.
RE: Woj is reporting  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/7/2023 6:35 pm : link
In comment 16026688 Pete44 said:
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Nets and Durant are having ongoing conversations about the direction of the team, but so far inquiring teams have been turned away about Durant.

A shame the Nets will never deal him to the Knicks.


I think KD is moved this summer. I still can't believe he hitched his ride to a loon like Irving.
RE: RE: Woj is reporting  
Strahan91 : 2/7/2023 7:18 pm : link
In comment 16026928 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16026688 Pete44 said:


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Nets and Durant are having ongoing conversations about the direction of the team, but so far inquiring teams have been turned away about Durant.

A shame the Nets will never deal him to the Knicks.



I think KD is moved this summer. I still can't believe he hitched his ride to a loon like Irving.

KD is a better teammate and human being than Irving is but he’s a pretty strange dude himself. Not that surprising that he’d gravitate towards another oddball like Kyrie, even if he himself isn’t destructive
Strahan91.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/7/2023 7:23 pm : link
Bill Simmons did a bunch of pods with KD when he was with the Dubs & he came across as a good dude, but man is he soft/sensitive. That's only been further evidenced in the past years with his burner account & him & Chuck going @ each other.

& I think a lot of people-myself included-will never give him credit for those 2 Dubs titles, which were weak AF. Is that unfair? Probably, even though he was the best player on the team. But that was/is Steph's team. That's why last year's NBA Finals win/first Finals MVP meant so much to Curry.
RE: If Knicks offered nets  
Strahan91 : 2/7/2023 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16026873 GMEN46 said:
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RJ
Obi
7 first round picks

Are nets getting a better offer?

It’s never going to happen. It would be like if Aaron Judge demanded a trade and the Mets made the Yankees the best offer. They still wouldn’t do it and he doesn’t want to play for the Knicks anyways. The only possibility (and that’s a strong word) would be if the Knicks somehow won the lottery and traded Wemby for him. Otherwise the Nets could never sell it to their fanbase.
RE: If Knicks offered nets  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2023 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16026873 GMEN46 said:
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RJ
Obi
7 first round picks

Are nets getting a better offer?


The nets could easily get a better offer than that. Doesn’t matter though- they would never trade him to the Knicks and he doesn’t want to be a Knick.
Kyrie already deleted his apology for his antisemetism stuff.  
Strahan91 : 2/7/2023 7:33 pm : link
Who’s gonna tell him what his new owner’s religion is?
Ishiba bringing in Isiah Thomas  
ajr2456 : 2/7/2023 8:10 pm : link
As an executive. Pretty tone deaf, but if he is as bad as he was with the Knicks…
Tyree Helmet besides NOLA and OKC  
GMEN46 : 2/7/2023 8:24 pm : link
Who would not be interested in KD, who can offer more than knicks if you decide to go into a rebuild?

I guess Toronto can offer Siakim and van fleet but that roster would stink then
Bucks  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2023 8:30 pm : link
Interested in Rose per Stein
RE: Tyree Helmet besides NOLA and OKC  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2023 8:36 pm : link
In comment 16027053 GMEN46 said:
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Who would not be interested in KD, who can offer more than knicks if you decide to go into a rebuild?

I guess Toronto can offer Siakim and van fleet but that roster would stink then


Boston, Memphis, Toronto, Denver, Portland, Phoenix could all top that deal. Even Cleveland if they offered Mobley or Garland could.

I don’t think the Knicks have a high end young player that would be attractive enough to Brooklyn.

And why wouldn’t OKC or NOLA be in on Durant?
How can these so called insiders  
Carl in CT : 2/7/2023 9:07 pm : link
Just make up shit over and over which never happens and they are still consider to be insiders. Just a freaking joke.
RE: How can these so called insiders  
nygiants16 : 2/7/2023 9:28 pm : link
In comment 16027108 Carl in CT said:
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Just make up shit over and over which never happens and they are still consider to be insiders. Just a freaking joke.


Which rumor?
RE: Kyrie already deleted his apology for his antisemetism stuff.  
JesseS : 2/7/2023 9:38 pm : link
In comment 16026997 Strahan91 said:
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Who’s gonna tell him what his new owner’s religion is?


Yeah. And he’s retweet Jordan Peterson, John Stockton, and Jason Whitlock. He’s clearly trying to make a statement. I have no problem with him doing that. I’m Jewish. Wish he would own it instead of just making up some BS reason about why he was disrespected. I’ve had clients that were openly antisemitic and I actually got along well with them because they owned it. Kyrie is such a tool. Never mind that he thinks he’s sophisticated and well read.
Tyree  
GMEN46 : 2/8/2023 9:03 am : link
Boston isn’t offering brown or Tatum so what’s this incredible offer?

Memphis isn’t going to offer bane, morant or jackson so what’s their better offer?

I agree on raptors but nets are probably rebuilding if they trade durant. Not sure they want siakim and van fleet.

Durant isn’t going to OKC or NOLA is my point he will have some say in it. Durant is too powerful to just send him wherever you want.

Suns - ayton has higher upside than rj but Knicks have 7 first rounders and wins have 3. I think RJ Obi with 7 picks beats ayton and 3 picks.

Cavs aren’t going  
GMEN46 : 2/8/2023 9:06 am : link
To offer any of those players. They are building for next 10 years.

What’s the denver offer?
Has there been any more recent Cam  
UGADawgs7 : 2/8/2023 10:33 am : link
talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman?
RE: Has there been any more recent Cam  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16027377 UGADawgs7 said:
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talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman?


Bondy claims he'll likely be bought out if he's not traded. Even for Leon Rose being unable to deal Reddish for a late 2nd etc would be something...

-Mentioned this yesterday but the Bucks are apparently interested in Rose.
RE: RE: Has there been any more recent Cam  
UGADawgs7 : 2/8/2023 10:46 am : link
In comment 16027381 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16027377 UGADawgs7 said:


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talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman?



Bondy claims he'll likely be bought out if he's not traded. Even for Leon Rose being unable to deal Reddish for a late 2nd etc would be something...

-Mentioned this yesterday but the Bucks are apparently interested in Rose.

Just saw someone else say this on Twitter. It makes 0 sense to not even be able to get a 2 for him. It amazes me how a GM plans to trade a player, but can’t tell the coach to give said player a few games to showcase that he can still play even if just 12 minutes for 2-3 games to garnish value back. In hockey, it happens all the time.
From Windhorst  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2023 10:52 am : link
he said teams are unwilling to engage the Nets to help them retain KD..

He also said the thinking of not trading KD has shifted for the Nets in the last 48 hours and there is now at least a possibility the Nets will trade him
RE: RE: Has there been any more recent Cam  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2023 10:52 am : link
In comment 16027381 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16027377 UGADawgs7 said:


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talk? I looked things up, saw possible Cam + for Saddiq Bey? Or Cam for a 2 + a depth SF from Cleveland Osman?



Bondy claims he'll likely be bought out if he's not traded. Even for Leon Rose being unable to deal Reddish for a late 2nd etc would be something...

-Mentioned this yesterday but the Bucks are apparently interested in Rose.


Its also Bondy, who ha sbeen trolling a lot more lately
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Strahan91 : 2/8/2023 10:55 am : link
The Nets' position on not trading Kevin Durant may change, per Brian Windhorst

“That is an interesting development that has happened over the last 48 hours since the Kyrie trade from people that I've talked to.”
Windhorst  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2023 10:58 am : link
says the Nets may now be open to dealing Durant.
if the nets trade kd i think it's to phoenix  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2023 10:59 am : link
they have always been the team with the most potential motivation (desperation) since paul is 38 and having never won a championship.

add in a new owner already leaking (tampering) that they are prepared to make a run at kd and a roster full of compelling pieces, and if there's a team that increases their offer from last summer in-season in a short window i think it's them.

some combo of bridges, johnson, ayton, and all their picks (most post-kd/cp3) is a really strong return that i was surprised the nets didn't just take last summer, but i think the rumors are that phoenix never put their best offer on the table.

boston put jaylon brown on the table last summer and if they did that again with smart that would be another option but i dont see boston doing that since they are already the favorite.

i think the nets want to give it 1 more run with kd and deal with a trade in june but if a really strong offer comes in they should take it and run - but the strength of the offer will come with getting a legitimate top 30 young guy like bridges or brown.
secondarily 1 other benefit to the nets leaking this is it freezes  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2023 11:01 am : link
some of the other normal rental trade competition (like phoenix, miami, and boston).

if they know kd is on the market now or maybe in the summer, do they trade 1st for kelly olynyk or naz reid right now? i would guess they are less likely to do so and maybe that makes it easier for the nets to possibly grab one of them.
Wonder if James Jones and Sean Marks  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2023 11:01 am : link
sat down in person last night and Phoenix made a very good offer for Durant
RE: Wonder if James Jones and Sean Marks  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2023 11:04 am : link
In comment 16027410 nygiants16 said:
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sat down in person last night and Phoenix made a very good offer for Durant


cam j, ayton, and bridges put on a show. not sure ayton makes sense anymore with claxton emerging but that is by far the best value deal.
Saw this tweet and reminds me why I don’t want  
steve in ky : 2/8/2023 11:07 am : link
Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something.

KnicksMuse

@KnicksMuse
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Jan 13
The Knicks are the 6 seed.
Their oldest rotation player is 28.
They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years.
Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026.
The Knicks future is bright
I think the emergence of Cam Thomas swings the pendulum  
Vanzetti : 2/8/2023 11:11 am : link
There is really no dominant team in NBA this year. Nets should definitely make one last run with KD.

No Nash. No Kyrie. Two huge pluses.
If I'm the Nets I deal KD before  
bceagle05 : 2/8/2023 11:12 am : link
I make some shortsighted Hail Mary trade to try to satisfy him (like Claxton for OG or FVV).

Claxton is legitimately good, Cam Thomas has potential. Add in Dorian Finney-Smith, Cam Johnson, Mikal Bridges and some more picks - Sean Marks can work with that.

,  
Anakim : 2/8/2023 11:13 am : link
Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto

Sources: The Knicks have expressed interest in Blazers guard Josh Hart.
RE: Saw this tweet and reminds me why I don’t want  
Vanzetti : 2/8/2023 11:14 am : link
In comment 16027419 steve in ky said:
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Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something.

KnicksMuse

@KnicksMuse
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Jan 13
The Knicks are the 6 seed.
Their oldest rotation player is 28.
They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years.
Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026.
The Knicks future is bright


You can never say never. But Rose has not forced anything. It's all the rumors, most of which are BS, that make it seem as if he is desperately seeking trades.

If you judge by deeds rather than rumors, Rose has stayed the course, keeping the young core together and letting them grow.
RE: Saw this tweet and reminds me why I don’t want  
CornerStone246+17 : 2/8/2023 11:15 am : link
In comment 16027419 steve in ky said:
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Knicks to force a trade just in order to do something.

KnicksMuse

@KnicksMuse
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Jan 13
The Knicks are the 6 seed.
Their oldest rotation player is 28.
They have SEVEN 1st-Round Picks in the next 3 years.
Their 3 best players are on low-cost contracts until 2026.
The Knicks future is bright


7 FRPs in the next 3 years plus a lot of young tradeable players also mean they can swing TWO moves if they wanted to. One for a solid piece and then another move for a Superstar



On the OG front....

Some Raptors stuff from the great @TheSteinLine:

- Raptors exploring GTJ + draft compensation for Jakob
- Raptors believe they can get 3 firsts for O.G
- Memphis, NOLA, NYK have all indicated a “willingness” to offer 2 picks for O.G
- KD situation stalling OG talks
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