Jazz will hopefully deal off a couple of pieces by Thursday. Can we finally beat the freaking Nets? Hopefully Grimes can keep Cam Thomas under 60. I’ll take 2-2 heading into the break.
there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
All the reports say the Knicks are not in any talks with the Raptors at all, I don't think the Raptors are actually selling but listening if someone calls
The Toronto Raptors are demanding that Brooklyn Nets big man Nic Claxton be included in any significant trade ahead of Thursday’s trade deadline, according to SNY.tv’s Ian Begley.
The Toronto Raptors are demanding that Brooklyn Nets big man Nic Claxton be included in any significant trade ahead of Thursday’s trade deadline, according to SNY.tv’s Ian Begley.
Thats a tough call for the znets, Claxton has really started to develop and is their only big man, but KD aint staying for Claxton, you get Siakim you got a chance to make KD happy
says Reddish could be bought out. Are you telling me they can't even get a 2nd round pick or somebody else's Reddish?
This is one of my many complaints about this team. The Front Office and Coach are not on the same page. We gave up a first for him for what reason? Another complaint is we are too stupid to realize we should be building up players we want to trade. Instead we have a unique ability to destroy any value our guys have. We want to move Rose but he rides the bench. We want to trade Fournier so we park his ass on the bench even though he can be very useful to this team. We want to trade Reddish but park his ass on the bench. We want to trade Obi but limit his minutes and don't let him be him. Randle had an amazing year 2 years ago and we don't think about trading him. He sucks last year and his name was thrown out there but teams wanted an asset to take him. Now his value is high again and we don't even think of putting him on the block. IQ is playing great and we won't move him. Look at Burks last year. Thibs overused him and destoyed his value in any potential trade.
The Toronto Raptors are demanding that Brooklyn Nets big man Nic Claxton be included in any significant trade ahead of Thursday’s trade deadline, according to SNY.tv’s Ian Begley.
Thats a tough call for the znets, Claxton has really started to develop and is their only big man, but KD aint staying for Claxton, you get Siakim you got a chance to make KD happy
I REALLY don't think Ujiri is trading Siakam for Claxton, and the 3 tradable frp's the Nets can deal (especially since one is Dallas's and Luka is 23 and one is top 8 protected).
says Reddish could be bought out. Are you telling me they can't even get a 2nd round pick or somebody else's Reddish?
Front office has major egg on their face for this trade. You can say that trade won’t convey a first, but it’s only lottery protected for Charlotte for 2 seasons after this one. It’s an asset that was not used properly.
Trade him for another buy low candidate but the guy stinks. And it’s crazy to say this front office and coach aren’t the same page. They are attached at the hip.
The Toronto Raptors are demanding that Brooklyn Nets big man Nic Claxton be included in any significant trade ahead of Thursday’s trade deadline, according to SNY.tv’s Ian Begley.
Thats a tough call for the znets, Claxton has really started to develop and is their only big man, but KD aint staying for Claxton, you get Siakim you got a chance to make KD happy
I REALLY don't think Ujiri is trading Siakam for Claxton, and the 3 tradable frp's the Nets can deal (especially since one is Dallas's and Luka is 23 and one is top 8 protected).
says Reddish could be bought out. Are you telling me they can't even get a 2nd round pick or somebody else's Reddish?
Front office has major egg on their face for this trade. You can say that trade won’t convey a first, but it’s only lottery protected for Charlotte for 2 seasons after this one. It’s an asset that was not used properly.
Trade him for another buy low candidate but the guy stinks. And it’s crazy to say this front office and coach aren’t the same page. They are attached at the hip.
It's crazy to say they aren't on the same page? Really?
says Reddish could be bought out. Are you telling me they can't even get a 2nd round pick or somebody else's Reddish?
Front office has major egg on their face for this trade. You can say that trade won’t convey a first, but it’s only lottery protected for Charlotte for 2 seasons after this one. It’s an asset that was not used properly.
Trade him for another buy low candidate but the guy stinks. And it’s crazy to say this front office and coach aren’t the same page. They are attached at the hip.
It's crazy to say they aren't on the same page? Really?
You don’t think Leon Rose and thibs are on the same page? Seriously ?
there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
17-12 coming into tonight. About the same as Knicks 20-13.
Banchero is going to be a stud
Fultz is finally a decent player
The Wagner boys are tough.
It was a good win tonight
Suggs was getting in Quick and Brunson’s asses. He’s the best defensive player on that team by a mile. Unfortunately, his shot is still a mess and so he’s just playing bench minutes. Once they took him off the floor in the fourth quarter, Brunson proceeded to whip their asses. Wagner Bros were very annoying last night.
Loved the Obi-Sims offensive rebounding play. Big free throws from Brunson and Randle.
Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Seems pretty fair. I hope they are not too committed to Mitch though - we could really use a center who can shoot (hello, Kristaps?).
there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
See it against the Raptors and a little bit last night. The Knicks struggle against teams with interchangeable long wings. They could use a guy like that.
Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Seems pretty fair. I hope they are not too committed to Mitch though - we could really use a center who can shoot (hello, Kristaps?).
Completely agree - I have written here, that Porzingis is the 1 guy that they possibly could acquire at the deadline that could move the needle this season. I feel much of the Knicks late game struggles are teams blitzing Randle/Brunson and not being afraid of Simms/Mitch/IHart hurting them offensively or hitting free throws.
there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Pete yes bottom line it’s been quiet. I as some have said feel there is a good chance we don’t move Reddish, Fournier or Rose. It’s just a real quiet year. Boston you might see them making a move that No one is talking about (not with us).
there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Pete yes bottom line it’s been quiet. I as some have said feel there is a good chance we don’t move Reddish, Fournier or Rose. It’s just a real quiet year. Boston you might see them making a move that No one is talking about (not with us).
I have not heard anything on Boston and not sure what assets they have to make a deal unless they trade Jaylon Brown in a package to get Durant. I have heard the Nets are more open to moving him than they were this off-season.
there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Pete yes bottom line it’s been quiet. I as some have said feel there is a good chance we don’t move Reddish, Fournier or Rose. It’s just a real quiet year. Boston you might see them making a move that No one is talking about (not with us).
I have not heard anything on Boston and not sure what assets they have to make a deal unless they trade Jaylon Brown in a package to get Durant. I have heard the Nets are more open to moving him than they were this off-season.
To me - Knicks should be looking at a stretch 5.
I don't disagree but look at how Thibs is using Hartenstein. He's not the same player. Thibs seems anti-big men away from the rim.
there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Pete yes bottom line it’s been quiet. I as some have said feel there is a good chance we don’t move Reddish, Fournier or Rose. It’s just a real quiet year. Boston you might see them making a move that No one is talking about (not with us).
I have not heard anything on Boston and not sure what assets they have to make a deal unless they trade Jaylon Brown in a package to get Durant. I have heard the Nets are more open to moving him than they were this off-season.
To me - Knicks should be looking at a stretch 5.
I don't disagree but look at how Thibs is using Hartenstein. He's not the same player. Thibs seems anti-big men away from the rim.
there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Pete yes bottom line it’s been quiet. I as some have said feel there is a good chance we don’t move Reddish, Fournier or Rose. It’s just a real quiet year. Boston you might see them making a move that No one is talking about (not with us).
I have not heard anything on Boston and not sure what assets they have to make a deal unless they trade Jaylon Brown in a package to get Durant. I have heard the Nets are more open to moving him than they were this off-season.
To me - Knicks should be looking at a stretch 5.
I don't disagree but look at how Thibs is using Hartenstein. He's not the same player. Thibs seems anti-big men away from the rim.
no matter where he goes, he needs to check his ego and find his role in this league, he is not a star in this league, he is not a 1st and 2nd option, not even a 3rd option, so the scoring oppurtunities are not always going to be there..
I like Cam, i wanted him to start, but in his mind he needs to score to be effective and i think thats where him and Thibs butted heads..
I just don't think the KNicks have done that at all lately
ok Reddish...he's trash. Always was trash. Came here and played like...trash. He did get minutes early on this season....and no one wanted him because he's trash. You can't say the KNicks didn't try to play him because they did. And the Knicks have moved on from Reddish because they have better players in front of him. Who wants to derail a potential playoff season just to "pump up a guy's value? It really doesn't work that way. Teams know whether a guy is any good. We're gonna kill them for that? Kill them for trying to get him, maybe, sure. It didn't work.
It's possible that Rose and Thibs both wanted to take a shot with Reddish and that shot failed. I don't know why every player disappointment here has to be turned into some schism in the front office. How man y players are we even talking about? One? Maybe two?
You can believe that Rose is doing one thing while Thibs is trolling under the bridge and devouring any shred of youthful passion this franchise may possess. But it's a stretch. Simple reason? HE hasn't been fired.
Thibs wants star power here. He wants vet star power here. That right there is probably the only divide between he and Rose. Why the hell would Thibs deliberately sabatage or torpedo a player's worth here all because he didn't like him in the first place? And he's STILL coaching the team? And the player we're talking about was never really any good AND we traded a late round pick for him? THAT is where Thibs is going to pick his battle?
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
Thibs wants star power here. He wants vet star power here. That right there is probably the only divide between he and Rose. Why the hell would Thibs deliberately sabatage or torpedo a player's worth here all because he didn't like him in the first place? And he's STILL coaching the team? And the player we're talking about was never really any good AND we traded a late round pick for him? THAT is where Thibs is going to pick his battle?
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
He's not deliberately sabotaging a player's value. He's so focused on getting us to the playoffs that the short term goals are hindering the long term goals. If your goal is to become a contender then winningba few more games during the regular season isn't worth devaluing your players. You played Cam early. His option wasn't picked up. Trad his ass immediately. Nope. Rose was always being moved but he hasn't been. How exactly qre we supposed to get better? You drafted Obi at 8 but he doesn't fit Thibs' system. More devaluing of assets. Where is the connection here? We missed the boat on these moves. We did it with Burks last year. If you disagree with me that is fine but don't twist my words saying I am saying Thibs is sabotaging anything. Thibs is being Thibs. You're always the one waiving pom poms for this team. We all don't see it the same. If you're okay with fighting for a playoff spot every year then that's good for you. I see a team that is about to blow it all up again unless something serious changes. I'd like to not go through another rebuild with another group of people. That is exactly where this group is headed.
Thibs wants star power here. He wants vet star power here. That right there is probably the only divide between he and Rose. Why the hell would Thibs deliberately sabatage or torpedo a player's worth here all because he didn't like him in the first place? And he's STILL coaching the team? And the player we're talking about was never really any good AND we traded a late round pick for him? THAT is where Thibs is going to pick his battle?
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
He's not deliberately sabotaging a player's value. He's so focused on getting us to the playoffs that the short term goals are hindering the long term goals. If your goal is to become a contender then winningba few more games during the regular season isn't worth devaluing your players. You played Cam early. His option wasn't picked up. Trad his ass immediately. Nope. Rose was always being moved but he hasn't been. How exactly qre we supposed to get better? You drafted Obi at 8 but he doesn't fit Thibs' system. More devaluing of assets. Where is the connection here? We missed the boat on these moves. We did it with Burks last year. If you disagree with me that is fine but don't twist my words saying I am saying Thibs is sabotaging anything. Thibs is being Thibs. You're always the one waiving pom poms for this team. We all don't see it the same. If you're okay with fighting for a playoff spot every year then that's good for you. I see a team that is about to blow it all up again unless something serious changes. I'd like to not go through another rebuild with another group of people. That is exactly where this group is headed.
There is so much wrong with this, IMO. He's focused on winning as many games as possible. That's it. That's all any head coach wants. Thats his job. He isn't supposed to play younger players that giv e us a better chance to LOSE games. Also, if the player he plays helps us win a few games, wouldn't their stock rise?
Isn't it just possible that Cam Reddish isn't good? Obi isn't worthy of minutes? Everyone used to say the same shit about IQ, but now he's a key cog. Why? Because he got better.
Also, if you don't think this team is heading in the right direction,
then I don't know what to tell you. This current situation is nothing like years past. Getting this young team playoff experience and getting the team on the map as a desirable destination is very important. More important than playing a bad player like cam Reddish in the hopes that we can trade him for 2 seconds.
Thibs wants star power here. He wants vet star power here. That right there is probably the only divide between he and Rose. Why the hell would Thibs deliberately sabatage or torpedo a player's worth here all because he didn't like him in the first place? And he's STILL coaching the team? And the player we're talking about was never really any good AND we traded a late round pick for him? THAT is where Thibs is going to pick his battle?
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
He's not deliberately sabotaging a player's value. He's so focused on getting us to the playoffs that the short term goals are hindering the long term goals. If your goal is to become a contender then winningba few more games during the regular season isn't worth devaluing your players. You played Cam early. His option wasn't picked up. Trad his ass immediately. Nope. Rose was always being moved but he hasn't been. How exactly qre we supposed to get better? You drafted Obi at 8 but he doesn't fit Thibs' system. More devaluing of assets. Where is the connection here? We missed the boat on these moves. We did it with Burks last year. If you disagree with me that is fine but don't twist my words saying I am saying Thibs is sabotaging anything. Thibs is being Thibs. You're always the one waiving pom poms for this team. We all don't see it the same. If you're okay with fighting for a playoff spot every year then that's good for you. I see a team that is about to blow it all up again unless something serious changes. I'd like to not go through another rebuild with another group of people. That is exactly where this group is headed.
There is so much wrong with this, IMO. He's focused on winning as many games as possible. That's it. That's all any head coach wants. Thats his job. He isn't supposed to play younger players that giv e us a better chance to LOSE games. Also, if the player he plays helps us win a few games, wouldn't their stock rise?
Isn't it just possible that Cam Reddish isn't good? Obi isn't worthy of minutes? Everyone used to say the same shit about IQ, but now he's a key cog. Why? Because he got better.
I love when people are just jumping in mid conversation. This all started with talking about the lack of vision by both the front office and coach. If Thibs doesn't wqnt these players then fuckin move them before they rot on the bench. Fournier goes basically from playing too much to not at all. How does he not have a role on this team? If Fournier was on any other team he'd have value. On the Knicks we have to attach assets to get rid of him. That is an issue with getting this star that we all want. Who are we trading for said star?
RE: Also, if you don't think this team is heading in the right direction,
then I don't know what to tell you. This current situation is nothing like years past. Getting this young team playoff experience and getting the team on the map as a desirable destination is very important. More important than playing a bad player like cam Reddish in the hopes that we can trade him for 2 seconds.
I have stated numerous times that I like the direction of the front office. I have stated numerous times that I don't want them doing anything stupid at the deadline just to make a move. I don't want a guy to come here just to fit Thibs. I want Thibs gone. I am so over his in game coaching.
Thibs wants star power here. He wants vet star power here. That right there is probably the only divide between he and Rose. Why the hell would Thibs deliberately sabatage or torpedo a player's worth here all because he didn't like him in the first place? And he's STILL coaching the team? And the player we're talking about was never really any good AND we traded a late round pick for him? THAT is where Thibs is going to pick his battle?
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
He's not deliberately sabotaging a player's value. He's so focused on getting us to the playoffs that the short term goals are hindering the long term goals. If your goal is to become a contender then winningba few more games during the regular season isn't worth devaluing your players. You played Cam early. His option wasn't picked up. Trad his ass immediately. Nope. Rose was always being moved but he hasn't been. How exactly qre we supposed to get better? You drafted Obi at 8 but he doesn't fit Thibs' system. More devaluing of assets. Where is the connection here? We missed the boat on these moves. We did it with Burks last year. If you disagree with me that is fine but don't twist my words saying I am saying Thibs is sabotaging anything. Thibs is being Thibs. You're always the one waiving pom poms for this team. We all don't see it the same. If you're okay with fighting for a playoff spot every year then that's good for you. I see a team that is about to blow it all up again unless something serious changes. I'd like to not go through another rebuild with another group of people. That is exactly where this group is headed.
There is so much wrong with this, IMO. He's focused on winning as many games as possible. That's it. That's all any head coach wants. Thats his job. He isn't supposed to play younger players that giv e us a better chance to LOSE games. Also, if the player he plays helps us win a few games, wouldn't their stock rise?
Isn't it just possible that Cam Reddish isn't good? Obi isn't worthy of minutes? Everyone used to say the same shit about IQ, but now he's a key cog. Why? Because he got better.
I love when people are just jumping in mid conversation. This all started with talking about the lack of vision by both the front office and coach. If Thibs doesn't wqnt these players then fuckin move them before they rot on the bench. Fournier goes basically from playing too much to not at all. How does he not have a role on this team? If Fournier was on any other team he'd have value. On the Knicks we have to attach assets to get rid of him. That is an issue with getting this star that we all want. Who are we trading for said star?
I did jump in late, sorry.
So your issue is with the FO then, not Thibs. Who is Fournier getting minutes over? Thibs keeps a tight rotation
Thibs wants star power here. He wants vet star power here. That right there is probably the only divide between he and Rose. Why the hell would Thibs deliberately sabatage or torpedo a player's worth here all because he didn't like him in the first place? And he's STILL coaching the team? And the player we're talking about was never really any good AND we traded a late round pick for him? THAT is where Thibs is going to pick his battle?
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
He's not deliberately sabotaging a player's value. He's so focused on getting us to the playoffs that the short term goals are hindering the long term goals. If your goal is to become a contender then winningba few more games during the regular season isn't worth devaluing your players. You played Cam early. His option wasn't picked up. Trad his ass immediately. Nope. Rose was always being moved but he hasn't been. How exactly qre we supposed to get better? You drafted Obi at 8 but he doesn't fit Thibs' system. More devaluing of assets. Where is the connection here? We missed the boat on these moves. We did it with Burks last year. If you disagree with me that is fine but don't twist my words saying I am saying Thibs is sabotaging anything. Thibs is being Thibs. You're always the one waiving pom poms for this team. We all don't see it the same. If you're okay with fighting for a playoff spot every year then that's good for you. I see a team that is about to blow it all up again unless something serious changes. I'd like to not go through another rebuild with another group of people. That is exactly where this group is headed.
I guess I have a hard time associating Cam Reddish with short or long term goals. Even if he figures shit out he's a role player or a bench player.
I'd rather make the playoffs and lose in 4 games then play that guy more minutes just to pump up any perceived value.
if this sucked balls? like 25 win type sucked balls?
yea, MAYBE then you can justify playing Cam Reddish over someone who might be a little better but has reached their vet peak.
I mean we're talking about a winning team here. 2-3 years now this team is winning more games than it loses. We are one hot streak from a really nice year and even if it stays around this 45 win course, not bad.
We lose sight of this quite often. Even myself, but once the dust from an awful heartbreaking loss settles in I always realize that this team is good.
5 minutes before Rose and Thibs took over if someone said this team would field multiple young players and average about 44 wins per year, we'd all be fucking thrilled.
Yup. Came in late (4minutes to go) but everything I saw from there looked good.
A lot of Knicks fans there!
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Yup. Came in late (4minutes to go) but everything I saw from there looked good.
A lot of Knicks fans there!
Always, i have a house in jupiter, everytime i go down all i see his Knicks stuff
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Good road win
Yup. Came in late (4minutes to go) but everything I saw from there looked good.
A lot of Knicks fans there!
Always, i have a house in jupiter, everytime i go down all i see his Knicks stuff
Jazz
Nets
@Hawks
Jazz will hopefully deal off a couple of pieces by Thursday. Can we finally beat the freaking Nets? Hopefully Grimes can keep Cam Thomas under 60. I’ll take 2-2 heading into the break.
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I just sold one in Juno Beach
Good road win
Yup. Came in late (4minutes to go) but everything I saw from there looked good.
A lot of Knicks fans there!
Always, i have a house in jupiter, everytime i go down all i see his Knicks stuff
Love it, house on the golf course, pool in the development, good food right down the street..kids love it..its nice
Banchero is going to be a stud
Fultz is finally a decent player
The Wagner boys are tough.
It was a good win tonight
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
I just need to know what it would
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there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
I just need to know what it would
Actually cost
All the reports say the Knicks are not in any talks with the Raptors at all, I don't think the Raptors are actually selling but listening if someone calls
Thats a tough call for the znets, Claxton has really started to develop and is their only big man, but KD aint staying for Claxton, you get Siakim you got a chance to make KD happy
This is one of my many complaints about this team. The Front Office and Coach are not on the same page. We gave up a first for him for what reason? Another complaint is we are too stupid to realize we should be building up players we want to trade. Instead we have a unique ability to destroy any value our guys have. We want to move Rose but he rides the bench. We want to trade Fournier so we park his ass on the bench even though he can be very useful to this team. We want to trade Reddish but park his ass on the bench. We want to trade Obi but limit his minutes and don't let him be him. Randle had an amazing year 2 years ago and we don't think about trading him. He sucks last year and his name was thrown out there but teams wanted an asset to take him. Now his value is high again and we don't even think of putting him on the block. IQ is playing great and we won't move him. Look at Burks last year. Thibs overused him and destoyed his value in any potential trade.
It drives me nuts with this disconnect.
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The Toronto Raptors are demanding that Brooklyn Nets big man Nic Claxton be included in any significant trade ahead of Thursday’s trade deadline, according to SNY.tv’s Ian Begley.
Thats a tough call for the znets, Claxton has really started to develop and is their only big man, but KD aint staying for Claxton, you get Siakim you got a chance to make KD happy
I REALLY don't think Ujiri is trading Siakam for Claxton, and the 3 tradable frp's the Nets can deal (especially since one is Dallas's and Luka is 23 and one is top 8 protected).
Front office has major egg on their face for this trade. You can say that trade won’t convey a first, but it’s only lottery protected for Charlotte for 2 seasons after this one. It’s an asset that was not used properly.
Trade him for another buy low candidate but the guy stinks. And it’s crazy to say this front office and coach aren’t the same page. They are attached at the hip.
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The Toronto Raptors are demanding that Brooklyn Nets big man Nic Claxton be included in any significant trade ahead of Thursday’s trade deadline, according to SNY.tv’s Ian Begley.
Thats a tough call for the znets, Claxton has really started to develop and is their only big man, but KD aint staying for Claxton, you get Siakim you got a chance to make KD happy
I REALLY don't think Ujiri is trading Siakam for Claxton, and the 3 tradable frp's the Nets can deal (especially since one is Dallas's and Luka is 23 and one is top 8 protected).
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says Reddish could be bought out. Are you telling me they can't even get a 2nd round pick or somebody else's Reddish?
Front office has major egg on their face for this trade. You can say that trade won’t convey a first, but it’s only lottery protected for Charlotte for 2 seasons after this one. It’s an asset that was not used properly.
Trade him for another buy low candidate but the guy stinks. And it’s crazy to say this front office and coach aren’t the same page. They are attached at the hip.
It's crazy to say they aren't on the same page? Really?
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says Reddish could be bought out. Are you telling me they can't even get a 2nd round pick or somebody else's Reddish?
Front office has major egg on their face for this trade. You can say that trade won’t convey a first, but it’s only lottery protected for Charlotte for 2 seasons after this one. It’s an asset that was not used properly.
Trade him for another buy low candidate but the guy stinks. And it’s crazy to say this front office and coach aren’t the same page. They are attached at the hip.
It's crazy to say they aren't on the same page? Really?
You don’t think Leon Rose and thibs are on the same page? Seriously ?
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there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Banchero is going to be a stud
Fultz is finally a decent player
The Wagner boys are tough.
It was a good win tonight
Suggs was getting in Quick and Brunson’s asses. He’s the best defensive player on that team by a mile. Unfortunately, his shot is still a mess and so he’s just playing bench minutes. Once they took him off the floor in the fourth quarter, Brunson proceeded to whip their asses. Wagner Bros were very annoying last night.
Loved the Obi-Sims offensive rebounding play. Big free throws from Brunson and Randle.
Seems pretty fair. I hope they are not too committed to Mitch though - we could really use a center who can shoot (hello, Kristaps?).
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
See it against the Raptors and a little bit last night. The Knicks struggle against teams with interchangeable long wings. They could use a guy like that.
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Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Seems pretty fair. I hope they are not too committed to Mitch though - we could really use a center who can shoot (hello, Kristaps?).
Completely agree - I have written here, that Porzingis is the 1 guy that they possibly could acquire at the deadline that could move the needle this season. I feel much of the Knicks late game struggles are teams blitzing Randle/Brunson and not being afraid of Simms/Mitch/IHart hurting them offensively or hitting free throws.
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there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Pete yes bottom line it’s been quiet. I as some have said feel there is a good chance we don’t move Reddish, Fournier or Rose. It’s just a real quiet year. Boston you might see them making a move that No one is talking about (not with us).
No franchise devalues players like the Knicks
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there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Pete yes bottom line it’s been quiet. I as some have said feel there is a good chance we don’t move Reddish, Fournier or Rose. It’s just a real quiet year. Boston you might see them making a move that No one is talking about (not with us).
I have not heard anything on Boston and not sure what assets they have to make a deal unless they trade Jaylon Brown in a package to get Durant. I have heard the Nets are more open to moving him than they were this off-season.
To me - Knicks should be looking at a stretch 5.
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there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Pete yes bottom line it’s been quiet. I as some have said feel there is a good chance we don’t move Reddish, Fournier or Rose. It’s just a real quiet year. Boston you might see them making a move that No one is talking about (not with us).
I have not heard anything on Boston and not sure what assets they have to make a deal unless they trade Jaylon Brown in a package to get Durant. I have heard the Nets are more open to moving him than they were this off-season.
To me - Knicks should be looking at a stretch 5.
I don't disagree but look at how Thibs is using Hartenstein. He's not the same player. Thibs seems anti-big men away from the rim.
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there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Pete yes bottom line it’s been quiet. I as some have said feel there is a good chance we don’t move Reddish, Fournier or Rose. It’s just a real quiet year. Boston you might see them making a move that No one is talking about (not with us).
I have not heard anything on Boston and not sure what assets they have to make a deal unless they trade Jaylon Brown in a package to get Durant. I have heard the Nets are more open to moving him than they were this off-season.
To me - Knicks should be looking at a stretch 5.
I don't disagree but look at how Thibs is using Hartenstein. He's not the same player. Thibs seems anti-big men away from the rim.
Except...he has Obi camp out at the 3 point line.
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there is not a lot of truth to the Knicks interest in Beasley and Vanderbilt, Utah did call but there wasnt much interest..
He also said Knicks are definitely still interested in OG
I've heard this group will never deal with Ainge again, unless its dramatically slanted to their advantage.
I still think a stretch 5, that can protect the rim is a bigger need than another wing. A lot of their late game issues are because Mitch/Jericho/Ihart are not offensive threats.
Pete you heard that right here the day Rose thought it was done and starting throwing the phone and was screaming he would never deal with that mother fucker again. I’ve also posted it numerous of times when these so called insiders just post bullshit. That being said a low level bench deal is never out of the question for any member of the executive office if a player is buried on the bench and it does him and the team a favor.
Carl - honestly, I am on and off of here as work permits, never saw you write that, although, I much enjoy your posts and really appreciate the inside info. I have a friend that is a writer, that gives me tidbits and he told me about Rose's feelings towards Ainge.
I have heard the Knicks will not do much at the deadline. My friends thinks Rose has Dolan convinced they will make the playoffs this year. Also, can sell Dolan on 2 should be All-Stars on the team (Brunson and Randle), 2 excellent role player/defenders in Grimes/Mitch and the assets to still land a superstar in Barrett, Obi, Quick, picks, etc, if 1 should become available.
Pete yes bottom line it’s been quiet. I as some have said feel there is a good chance we don’t move Reddish, Fournier or Rose. It’s just a real quiet year. Boston you might see them making a move that No one is talking about (not with us).
I have not heard anything on Boston and not sure what assets they have to make a deal unless they trade Jaylon Brown in a package to get Durant. I have heard the Nets are more open to moving him than they were this off-season.
To me - Knicks should be looking at a stretch 5.
I don't disagree but look at how Thibs is using Hartenstein. He's not the same player. Thibs seems anti-big men away from the rim.
Except...he has Obi camp out at the 3 point line.
Obi isn't a C.
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says Reddish could be bought out. Are you telling me they can't even get a 2nd round pick or somebody else's Reddish?
No franchise devalues players like the Knicks
One could say no fan base overvalues their players like Knicks fans.
But maybe that's unfair...unless you go through our history.
I like Cam, i wanted him to start, but in his mind he needs to score to be effective and i think thats where him and Thibs butted heads..
It's possible that Rose and Thibs both wanted to take a shot with Reddish and that shot failed. I don't know why every player disappointment here has to be turned into some schism in the front office. How man y players are we even talking about? One? Maybe two?
You can believe that Rose is doing one thing while Thibs is trolling under the bridge and devouring any shred of youthful passion this franchise may possess. But it's a stretch. Simple reason? HE hasn't been fired.
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
He's not deliberately sabotaging a player's value. He's so focused on getting us to the playoffs that the short term goals are hindering the long term goals. If your goal is to become a contender then winningba few more games during the regular season isn't worth devaluing your players. You played Cam early. His option wasn't picked up. Trad his ass immediately. Nope. Rose was always being moved but he hasn't been. How exactly qre we supposed to get better? You drafted Obi at 8 but he doesn't fit Thibs' system. More devaluing of assets. Where is the connection here? We missed the boat on these moves. We did it with Burks last year. If you disagree with me that is fine but don't twist my words saying I am saying Thibs is sabotaging anything. Thibs is being Thibs. You're always the one waiving pom poms for this team. We all don't see it the same. If you're okay with fighting for a playoff spot every year then that's good for you. I see a team that is about to blow it all up again unless something serious changes. I'd like to not go through another rebuild with another group of people. That is exactly where this group is headed.
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Thibs wants star power here. He wants vet star power here. That right there is probably the only divide between he and Rose. Why the hell would Thibs deliberately sabatage or torpedo a player's worth here all because he didn't like him in the first place? And he's STILL coaching the team? And the player we're talking about was never really any good AND we traded a late round pick for him? THAT is where Thibs is going to pick his battle?
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
He's not deliberately sabotaging a player's value. He's so focused on getting us to the playoffs that the short term goals are hindering the long term goals. If your goal is to become a contender then winningba few more games during the regular season isn't worth devaluing your players. You played Cam early. His option wasn't picked up. Trad his ass immediately. Nope. Rose was always being moved but he hasn't been. How exactly qre we supposed to get better? You drafted Obi at 8 but he doesn't fit Thibs' system. More devaluing of assets. Where is the connection here? We missed the boat on these moves. We did it with Burks last year. If you disagree with me that is fine but don't twist my words saying I am saying Thibs is sabotaging anything. Thibs is being Thibs. You're always the one waiving pom poms for this team. We all don't see it the same. If you're okay with fighting for a playoff spot every year then that's good for you. I see a team that is about to blow it all up again unless something serious changes. I'd like to not go through another rebuild with another group of people. That is exactly where this group is headed.
There is so much wrong with this, IMO. He's focused on winning as many games as possible. That's it. That's all any head coach wants. Thats his job. He isn't supposed to play younger players that giv e us a better chance to LOSE games. Also, if the player he plays helps us win a few games, wouldn't their stock rise?
Isn't it just possible that Cam Reddish isn't good? Obi isn't worthy of minutes? Everyone used to say the same shit about IQ, but now he's a key cog. Why? Because he got better.
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Thibs wants star power here. He wants vet star power here. That right there is probably the only divide between he and Rose. Why the hell would Thibs deliberately sabatage or torpedo a player's worth here all because he didn't like him in the first place? And he's STILL coaching the team? And the player we're talking about was never really any good AND we traded a late round pick for him? THAT is where Thibs is going to pick his battle?
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
He's not deliberately sabotaging a player's value. He's so focused on getting us to the playoffs that the short term goals are hindering the long term goals. If your goal is to become a contender then winningba few more games during the regular season isn't worth devaluing your players. You played Cam early. His option wasn't picked up. Trad his ass immediately. Nope. Rose was always being moved but he hasn't been. How exactly qre we supposed to get better? You drafted Obi at 8 but he doesn't fit Thibs' system. More devaluing of assets. Where is the connection here? We missed the boat on these moves. We did it with Burks last year. If you disagree with me that is fine but don't twist my words saying I am saying Thibs is sabotaging anything. Thibs is being Thibs. You're always the one waiving pom poms for this team. We all don't see it the same. If you're okay with fighting for a playoff spot every year then that's good for you. I see a team that is about to blow it all up again unless something serious changes. I'd like to not go through another rebuild with another group of people. That is exactly where this group is headed.
There is so much wrong with this, IMO. He's focused on winning as many games as possible. That's it. That's all any head coach wants. Thats his job. He isn't supposed to play younger players that giv e us a better chance to LOSE games. Also, if the player he plays helps us win a few games, wouldn't their stock rise?
Isn't it just possible that Cam Reddish isn't good? Obi isn't worthy of minutes? Everyone used to say the same shit about IQ, but now he's a key cog. Why? Because he got better.
I love when people are just jumping in mid conversation. This all started with talking about the lack of vision by both the front office and coach. If Thibs doesn't wqnt these players then fuckin move them before they rot on the bench. Fournier goes basically from playing too much to not at all. How does he not have a role on this team? If Fournier was on any other team he'd have value. On the Knicks we have to attach assets to get rid of him. That is an issue with getting this star that we all want. Who are we trading for said star?
I have stated numerous times that I like the direction of the front office. I have stated numerous times that I don't want them doing anything stupid at the deadline just to make a move. I don't want a guy to come here just to fit Thibs. I want Thibs gone. I am so over his in game coaching.
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In comment 16027668 djm said:
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Thibs wants star power here. He wants vet star power here. That right there is probably the only divide between he and Rose. Why the hell would Thibs deliberately sabatage or torpedo a player's worth here all because he didn't like him in the first place? And he's STILL coaching the team? And the player we're talking about was never really any good AND we traded a late round pick for him? THAT is where Thibs is going to pick his battle?
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
He's not deliberately sabotaging a player's value. He's so focused on getting us to the playoffs that the short term goals are hindering the long term goals. If your goal is to become a contender then winningba few more games during the regular season isn't worth devaluing your players. You played Cam early. His option wasn't picked up. Trad his ass immediately. Nope. Rose was always being moved but he hasn't been. How exactly qre we supposed to get better? You drafted Obi at 8 but he doesn't fit Thibs' system. More devaluing of assets. Where is the connection here? We missed the boat on these moves. We did it with Burks last year. If you disagree with me that is fine but don't twist my words saying I am saying Thibs is sabotaging anything. Thibs is being Thibs. You're always the one waiving pom poms for this team. We all don't see it the same. If you're okay with fighting for a playoff spot every year then that's good for you. I see a team that is about to blow it all up again unless something serious changes. I'd like to not go through another rebuild with another group of people. That is exactly where this group is headed.
There is so much wrong with this, IMO. He's focused on winning as many games as possible. That's it. That's all any head coach wants. Thats his job. He isn't supposed to play younger players that giv e us a better chance to LOSE games. Also, if the player he plays helps us win a few games, wouldn't their stock rise?
Isn't it just possible that Cam Reddish isn't good? Obi isn't worthy of minutes? Everyone used to say the same shit about IQ, but now he's a key cog. Why? Because he got better.
I love when people are just jumping in mid conversation. This all started with talking about the lack of vision by both the front office and coach. If Thibs doesn't wqnt these players then fuckin move them before they rot on the bench. Fournier goes basically from playing too much to not at all. How does he not have a role on this team? If Fournier was on any other team he'd have value. On the Knicks we have to attach assets to get rid of him. That is an issue with getting this star that we all want. Who are we trading for said star?
I did jump in late, sorry.
So your issue is with the FO then, not Thibs. Who is Fournier getting minutes over? Thibs keeps a tight rotation
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Thibs wants star power here. He wants vet star power here. That right there is probably the only divide between he and Rose. Why the hell would Thibs deliberately sabatage or torpedo a player's worth here all because he didn't like him in the first place? And he's STILL coaching the team? And the player we're talking about was never really any good AND we traded a late round pick for him? THAT is where Thibs is going to pick his battle?
I think most coaches don't care whether they wanted a player or not. If the guy can play he's going to play.
He's not deliberately sabotaging a player's value. He's so focused on getting us to the playoffs that the short term goals are hindering the long term goals. If your goal is to become a contender then winningba few more games during the regular season isn't worth devaluing your players. You played Cam early. His option wasn't picked up. Trad his ass immediately. Nope. Rose was always being moved but he hasn't been. How exactly qre we supposed to get better? You drafted Obi at 8 but he doesn't fit Thibs' system. More devaluing of assets. Where is the connection here? We missed the boat on these moves. We did it with Burks last year. If you disagree with me that is fine but don't twist my words saying I am saying Thibs is sabotaging anything. Thibs is being Thibs. You're always the one waiving pom poms for this team. We all don't see it the same. If you're okay with fighting for a playoff spot every year then that's good for you. I see a team that is about to blow it all up again unless something serious changes. I'd like to not go through another rebuild with another group of people. That is exactly where this group is headed.
I guess I have a hard time associating Cam Reddish with short or long term goals. Even if he figures shit out he's a role player or a bench player.
I'd rather make the playoffs and lose in 4 games then play that guy more minutes just to pump up any perceived value.
I mean we're talking about a winning team here. 2-3 years now this team is winning more games than it loses. We are one hot streak from a really nice year and even if it stays around this 45 win course, not bad.
We lose sight of this quite often. Even myself, but once the dust from an awful heartbreaking loss settles in I always realize that this team is good.
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