Howie Roseman: Better to take risks than stuck in the middle

and of course Daboll..Excited to see what JS will do, what risks he might take, when he doesn’t have to clean up a prior mess..This is on him now

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He fleeces teams. Them getting Brown from Titans...I'm convinced that is why Tennessee's GM was fired midseason.

swing for the fences.

but same principle, we had a guy in our fantasy baseball league who was dubbed junkmom for his ability to pedal his junk for your superstar. Pretty much everyone in the league fell victim to him at one point or another. Roseman is one of those guys most likely, a sharp, smooth talking salesman. He likely makes you feel good when you are talking trade, and before you realize it, you've been fleeced.

In comment 16027029 Poktown Pete said:

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but same principle, we had a guy in our fantasy baseball league who was dubbed junkmom for his ability to pedal his junk for your superstar. Pretty much everyone in the league fell victim to him at one point or another. Roseman is one of those guys most likely, a sharp, smooth talking salesman. He likely makes you feel good when you are talking trade, and before you realize it, you've been fleeced.

junkmon, not mom.

You don't do something stupid like trade for Russ (who was cooked) when you're nowhere near contending.

In comment 16027023 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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He fleeces teams. Them getting Brown from Titans...I'm convinced that is why Tennessee's GM was fired midseason.

100% that’s why he got canned. It’s a passing league. He opted to shell out big dollars to Henry in the recent past and didn’t want to pay his top receiver. We’ll see how Treylon Burks pans out, but the assumption is that the Titans GM thought Burks would come in and essentially replace Brown. Was never going to happen, not this season. Receivers usually take some time to develop.

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swing for the fences.

Within reason though. I mean some on here were proposing the Giants trade both firsts last year for Russell Wilson. Thank God that didn’t happen.

but he probably would hangs his tune if he were at the AAA end of the bell curve.

Is 100% right. No guts no glory. Steady eddy usually does not win the race in this case.

What risks has he really taken? He doesn't take risks on trades. He always rapes the other team. Do they take risks in FA? Not really. That leaves the draft. What risks have they taken there? I'll give them two, Reagor and Hurts. But how much risk is Hurts as a late 2nd round pick? They aren't in the position they are in because of their risk taking. They are where they are because their batting average is very high for all the moves they make. That means that they have great player evaluation and player development. On top of that, management and coaches and players are all on the same page with their vision of this team.

my royal Irish arse...

Leon Rose could learn from that philosophy. Better to take risks shooting for excellence than settle for mediocrity.

You have to be willing to face-plant though. If you take those risks and fail, you're a laughing stock. That's arguably what happened with Gettleman. He gambled on Baker, Golladay, Toney, Solder ...

with a premium pick - the second round is a serious investment - was great foresight.

Despite the fact the Eagles had Wentz, an MVP candidate at one point and a key part of the Eagles SB drive in 2017, Roseman was shrewd enough to see that Wentz may be going the wrong way and the organization needed to consider a solution for that problem.

Now, I'm not sure Hurts is a long-term QB solution, but you have to give credit where credit is due right now.

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You don't do something stupid like trade for Russ (who was cooked) when you're nowhere near contending.

Who is Russ?

Not so much when you are taking Reagor over Justin Jefferson

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In comment 16027042 Spider43 said: Quote: You don't do something stupid like trade for Russ (who was cooked) when you're nowhere near contending. Who is Russ?

Wilson.

In comment 16027086 bw in dc said:

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with a premium pick - the second round is a serious investment - was great foresight. Despite the fact the Eagles had Wentz, an MVP candidate at one point and a key part of the Eagles SB drive in 2017, Roseman was shrewd enough to see that Wentz may be going the wrong way and the organization needed to consider a solution for that problem. Now, I'm not sure Hurts is a long-term QB solution, but you have to give credit where credit is due right now.

That's fair.

when you have cap available, your QB works out with a high priced yet highly talent WR whose current team CANT afford him, and you find stupid teams that suck willing to give you high picks for back up QBs or for a player like they’re only 1 player away yet finish with only 6Ws

when you have cap available, your QB works out with a high priced yet highly talent WR whose current team CANT afford him, and you find stupid teams that suck willing to give you high picks for back up QBs or for a player like they’re only 1 player away yet finish with only 6Ws

you at least have to have a solid base team. Perhaps after this year the Giants will be there.

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you at least have to have a solid base team. Perhaps after this year the Giants will be there.

Absolutely.

and have 13 years or whatever to be the GM. He has fired three coaches--Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, and Pederson. The owner trusts him and will let him ride through swoons and hire new coaches, fail at the draft etc. He also has had a long time to grow into the job, meaning the number one asset he has is time and experience. Most GMs don't get four coaches, etc. Most GM's get one cycle to turn it around and if they don't they are gone. His situation is very unique.

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my royal Irish arse...

You're Irish royalty?! Nice to meet you, your highness!

in football. And I would have said that before this year. It f****ng sucks.

In comment 16027023 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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He fleeces teams. Them getting Brown from Titans...I'm convinced that is why Tennessee's GM was fired midseason.

I think there's little doubt that is the case, that damn moron.

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and have 13 years or whatever to be the GM. He has fired three coaches--Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, and Pederson. The owner trusts him and will let him ride through swoons and hire new coaches, fail at the draft etc. He also has had a long time to grow into the job, meaning the number one asset he has is time and experience. Most GMs don't get four coaches, etc. Most GM's get one cycle to turn it around and if they don't they are gone. His situation is very unique.

The Eagles don’t have many years where they bottom out. Even in the Chip Kelly years, they went 10-6 twice. 2020, 2012 & 2005 off the top of my head were the only bad seasons for the Eagles.

They traded away players they no longer wanted and got a great return. Is that a risk or just smart business?

He traded for Brown and got him on the cheap. Not risky, just good business.

Now the risk he took this season is mortgage everything for a Super Bowl won this season. I guess we’ll know Sunday but if they lose he blew his wad and lost. They are up against the cap with all of those voidable contracts. They are going to have to cut about $30 to $40 mil to operate like we did last year and will be saying goodbye to a lot of top players.

Yes, they drafted Hurts, but that was to be a backup. In fact, they fired Pederson because they wanted to try to salvage their relationship with Wentz. When Wentz refused to play for Philly, they traded him. Did they make the best of that situation? Yes, they did.

Did they pounce on a bunch of top notch rentals for cheap (Bradbury, Gardner Johnson etc). Yes.

They are just really good at adapting to circumstances and got very lucky with Hurts and AJ Brown being available.

was getting and developing Mailata. With like a 1st round pick you can somewhat reasonably expect to draft a franchise QB, but getting a top LT out of nowhere is such a frigging boon to a team. Friggin lucky ass team (likely not ENTIRELY just plain dumb luck, but very much a huge factor).

Can't spend big money on mediocrity. The blue print to average/above average (Vikings, Cowgirls, Titans, etc.) is there for all to see. Now Giants fans want to join them? Why?

Get a true franchise QB or be happy wit 8-9 or 9-8.

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Can't spend big money on mediocrity. The blue print to average/above average (Vikings, Cowgirls, Titans, etc.) is there for all to see. Now Giants fans want to join them? Why? Get a true franchise QB or be happy wit 8-9 or 9-8.

Just go get a franchise QB!

Come on man, not how it works. 25+ teams are trying to figure out how to win a title without a top tier QB.

In comment 16027786 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 16027772 GMen72 said: Quote: Can't spend big money on mediocrity. The blue print to average/above average (Vikings, Cowgirls, Titans, etc.) is there for all to see. Now Giants fans want to join them? Why? Get a true franchise QB or be happy wit 8-9 or 9-8. Just go get a franchise QB! Come on man, not how it works. 25+ teams are trying to figure out how to win a title without a top tier QB.

It cracks me up. The same people who will rag on the Cowgirls and Vikings for overpaying QBs, that can't/won't get them to the pinnacle, also want to resign DJ for fear of taking a step back (which will most likely happen anyway). If the Giants sign DJ to a longterm deal, they become the Cowboys, at best.

Let's live in fear! We have average...let's just settle because getting a stud QB is hard and not guaranteed. Let's settle for 8-9! Der...der...

I wonder if the Chiefs regret drafting Mahomes when the had Smith? DJs numbers aren't even as good as Alex Smith's.

In comment 16028955 GMen72 said:

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In comment 16027786 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 16027772 GMen72 said: Quote: Can't spend big money on mediocrity. The blue print to average/above average (Vikings, Cowgirls, Titans, etc.) is there for all to see. Now Giants fans want to join them? Why? Get a true franchise QB or be happy wit 8-9 or 9-8. Just go get a franchise QB! Come on man, not how it works. 25+ teams are trying to figure out how to win a title without a top tier QB. It cracks me up. The same people who will rag on the Cowgirls and Vikings for overpaying QBs, that can't/won't get them to the pinnacle, also want to resign DJ for fear of taking a step back (which will most likely happen anyway). If the Giants sign DJ to a longterm deal, they become the Cowboys, at best. Let's live in fear! We have average...let's just settle because getting a stud QB is hard and not guaranteed. Let's settle for 8-9! Der...der... I wonder if the Chiefs regret drafting Mahomes when the had Smith? DJs numbers aren't even as good as Alex Smith's.

Paying $45 mill for Dak is not the same as $35 mill for Jones. It just is not. Jones is better than Dak.

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In comment 16028955 GMen72 said: Quote: In comment 16027786 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 16027772 GMen72 said: Quote: Can't spend big money on mediocrity. The blue print to average/above average (Vikings, Cowgirls, Titans, etc.) is there for all to see. Now Giants fans want to join them? Why? Get a true franchise QB or be happy wit 8-9 or 9-8. Just go get a franchise QB! Come on man, not how it works. 25+ teams are trying to figure out how to win a title without a top tier QB. It cracks me up. The same people who will rag on the Cowgirls and Vikings for overpaying QBs, that can't/won't get them to the pinnacle, also want to resign DJ for fear of taking a step back (which will most likely happen anyway). If the Giants sign DJ to a longterm deal, they become the Cowboys, at best. Let's live in fear! We have average...let's just settle because getting a stud QB is hard and not guaranteed. Let's settle for 8-9! Der...der... I wonder if the Chiefs regret drafting Mahomes when the had Smith? DJs numbers aren't even as good as Alex Smith's. Paying $45 mill for Dak is not the same as $35 mill for Jones. It just is not. Jones is better than Dak.

You people...ha! In a few more days, one of you is going to say DJ is better than Mahomes.

DJ had 2 good games against the Vikes...the 31 worst defense in the NFL. Now he's better than Cousins (another thread) and Dak? Just stop. 2 games isn't shit. DJs career numbers are absolutely terrible and you're using 2 games to compare to two guys who've had very solid careers. DJ has done absolutely nothing compared to Dak, other than rushing yards, in the NFL. DJ needs to be a lot better than DJ to even be in the ballpark of Cousins and Dak.

Bring on the excuses...

In comment 16028987 GMen72 said:

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DJ had 2 good games against the Vikes...the 31 worst defense in the NFL. Now he's better than Cousins (another thread) and Dak? Just stop. 2 games isn't shit. DJs career numbers are absolutely terrible and you're using 2 games to compare to two guys who've had very solid careers. DJ has done absolutely nothing compared to Dak, other than rushing yards, in the NFL. DJ needs to be a lot better than DJ to even be in the ballpark of Cousins and Dak. Bring on the excuses...

Did you watch Dak this year? Did you see his teammates call him out for playing like crap. Did you see the stupid, and I mean stupid, INTs he threw?

But carry on - you are good at it.

Let's see those risks with a QB on a second contract. You can't pick up cap casualties to fill out the holes in the roster.

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In comment 16028987 GMen72 said: Quote: DJ had 2 good games against the Vikes...the 31 worst defense in the NFL. Now he's better than Cousins (another thread) and Dak? Just stop. 2 games isn't shit. DJs career numbers are absolutely terrible and you're using 2 games to compare to two guys who've had very solid careers. DJ has done absolutely nothing compared to Dak, other than rushing yards, in the NFL. DJ needs to be a lot better than DJ to even be in the ballpark of Cousins and Dak. Bring on the excuses... Did you watch Dak this year? Did you see his teammates call him out for playing like crap. Did you see the stupid, and I mean stupid, INTs he threw? But carry on - you are good at it.

Ok...at least you admit you're basing your entire argument on one season. One in which, in 4 fewer games, Dak had more total TDs than DJ, during DJs "best season" and Dak's worst.

Forget all the other success Dak has and and lack of success DJ has had in their careers, right? DJ is just better?

yeah that’s it. You must have missed all my posts about being among those on here who’s completely fine foregoing an extension and taking the risk of moving on in another direction. I just happen to also think Jones played well this year and have a reasonable amount of confidence he can improve more with some continuity and upgrades to the line and WRs.