Julian Love

When McKinney was out, Love still played OK, but not special. He was having a great season before the ATV accident.

The bottom line is I would like to have him back, but I wouldn't break the bank for him.

because it took a strength and made it a weakness, especially with the LB corps disaster and the injuries sustained and played through by Jackson, LW, Thibs and Ojulari. It was basically up to Dex and Love to shoulder the birder for a huge chunk of the season.

Long story short, Love played really well in 2022 and I want him back at a fair price. $5-$6m seems unreasonably low and I wouldn’t want to lose a player like him for a couple million on top of that.

In comment 16046909 UConn4523 said:

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because it took a strength and made it a weakness, especially with the LB corps disaster and the injuries sustained and played through by Jackson, LW, Thibs and Ojulari. It was basically up to Dex and Love to shoulder the birder for a huge chunk of the season. Long story short, Love played really well in 2022 and I want him back at a fair price. $5-$6m seems unreasonably low and I wouldn’t want to lose a player like him for a couple million on top of that.

Would you rather overpay him , or keep your eye on extending/re-signing Lawrence, for example?

like some others here. But Safeties are cheap so paying Love shouldn’t result in not being able to sign others. He’s a young ascending player, exactly the type of player you pay to keep and expect a good ROI.

LW I really like but the decision to extend him would come more in play if we needed room to add to the interior of the OL. I don’t think we will be big players in FA but I can definitely see a major upgrade at C or Guard as Schoens big splash this offseason. But if you think LW has 3 good years left then an extension works just fine for me.

paying Love, obviously that would impact the cap. I meant to say paying Love what he’s worth (so more than $6m using an example from this thread) shouldn’t prevent us from making other moves. That $2-3m extra won’t be a deal breaker for other players we want.

In comment 16046738 bw in dc said:

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Always a dependable supply from the college and pro ranks. So, I can buy moving on to a cheaper alternative. On the other hand, Love is a reliable playmaker and seems to be getting better every year. I'd certainly rather keep him than Leonard Williams or Barkley because he would certainly be much cheaper with a better ROI. And that's key because you can also find plenty of good RBs and DTs.

Bw - I think this is an outdated position, given how defensive play callers have successfully limited offensive big plays using deep S looks. You’ll recall how the circa 2023 Bucs were all built around high level S play. Love is a vital piece of our D and having two very good safeties was a hidden factor behind the the D performing despite some gaping talent vacancies in the front 7.

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Bw - I think this is an outdated position, given how defensive play callers have successfully limited offensive big plays using deep S looks. You’ll recall how the circa 2023 Bucs were all built around high level S play. Love is a vital piece of our D and having two very good safeties was a hidden factor behind the the D performing despite some gaping talent vacancies in the front 7.

Like I said, let's keep Love at the right price. And I agree that he's has proven to be a quality player.

But I still maintain that the position is easy to fill, which means a team shouldn't have a high spend rate to find solutions there. I can't remember the last time when a highly paid safety duo - because Team McKinney will be big contract hunting next - were part of a SB winning team. Maybe Seattle with Chancellor and Thomas?

I think they are at their best when McKinney and Love are paired and a 3rd S is employed. But, they have at least 3 other decent options to pair with McKinney and fill the extra S slot when called for. I think S is the last position on the D of this roster to worry about.

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Joe Schoen says he will circle back with Julian Love’s agent Drew Rosenhaus this week. Schoen says some safeties might be released around the league & NYG will see if there is a market surplus and what that means for Love’s value. Says they love Julian. Interesting.



Sounds like Schoen isn’t prioritizing re-signing Love. Love is represented by Rosenhaus so he isn’t going to come cheap.

In comment 16047290 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN · 6m Joe Schoen says he will circle back with Julian Love’s agent Drew Rosenhaus this week. Schoen says some safeties might be released around the league & NYG will see if there is a market surplus and what that means for Love’s value. Says they love Julian. Interesting. Sounds like Schoen isn’t prioritizing re-signing Love. Love is represented by Rosenhaus so he isn’t going to come cheap.

Schoen on Love*. edit

In comment 16047290 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN · 6m Joe Schoen says he will circle back with Julian Love’s agent Drew Rosenhaus this week. Schoen says some safeties might be released around the league & NYG will see if there is a market surplus and what that means for Love’s value. Says they love Julian. Interesting. Sounds like Schoen isn’t prioritizing re-signing Love. Love is represented by Rosenhaus so he isn’t going to come cheap.

Safety is a very fungible position for sure. With XM's negotiations on the horizon, that position could become too expensive if we sign both.

Love played very well against the run,but when he was lined up single high,he was worthless. In some cases,he took bad angles on the ball and in others he was plain out beat.
I hope he gets kicked to the curb,We can do way better!!

Joey,
With all due respect, Love is a jack of all trades,MASTER of none.He is the definition of mediocre.He is easily replaced.I am amazed how many TD's he gave up.

Good against the run,Horrid as last chance defense Vs the pass!!

I like the approach of not paying big FA dollars for the premium positions unless they are your own, and instead get the better players at cheaper positions to offset risk. Getting a good safety resigned along with adding one of the better Linebackers and hopefully drafting a CB high can really improve this defense dramatically for not that much money.

It’s one game so I don’t want to extrapolate but on the Eagles loaded 2022 defense, they had exceptional talent all over the squad. Except at safety, where they started unexceptional players. And they couldn’t stop Mahomes when it counted. It wasn’t just one game - there was an interesting pre Super Bowl thread here about how the Eagles D had been gashed by the superior offenses (which proved true v the Chiefs).

Meanwhile the Giants D had absolutely no talent at several positions yet was consistently effective, contained opponents and often was excellent.

Why? I’d argue that having two very good players at safety limited big gains, forced the opposition to walk down the field and as a consequence allowed Daboll to play conservatively on offense. Love and McKinney were key reasons why the defense was so good even with the questionable LB corps.

I just think not resigning Love would be a critical error. He’s just much more important to the team than Saquon. My two cents.

In comment 16047681 cosmicj said:

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I just think not resigning Love would be a critical error. He’s just much more important to the team than Saquon. My two cents.

I’m not advocating signing Barkley long term, but to say Love is more important than Barkley is nonsense. Barkley won games for us. He basically carried us the first half of the season. Love is a nice player, but his production is easily replaceable.

In comment 16047681 cosmicj said:

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I just think not resigning Love would be a critical error. He’s just much more important to the team than Saquon. My two cents.

From my end, I can live with re-signing Love. But something is going to have to give 365 days from now because Team McKinney is going to be looking for big money next. And Team Thomas is going to be looking for big money.

IMV, I don't want a lot of dollars invested in safety. I'd rather deploy dollars in more critical positions.

I get you point, but I'm going to stand by the trends that show you don't need big money safeties to win big.

In comment 16047715 JoeyBigBlue said:

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In comment 16047681 cosmicj said: Quote: I just think not resigning Love would be a critical error. He’s just much more important to the team than Saquon. My two cents. I’m not advocating signing Barkley long term, but to say Love is more important than Barkley is nonsense. Barkley won games for us. He basically carried us the first half of the season. Love is a nice player, but his production is easily replaceable.

This debate would ideally examine yardage. Love is a very good tackler and that means that he saves us significant yardage allowed on the defensive end vs a replacement level S.

Barkley also generates significant yardage vs a replacement level RB. But just because SB is carrying the ball while Love isn’t by itself doesn’t mean squat.

I don’t think which is more valuable id cut and dried at all. In fact. I would guess that the net yardage impact from Love is bigger than Barkley. That’s one of my reasons for making my statement.

Another is that the heart of the Giants is their defense, right now. The offense is mediocre; their defense is very good and I believe poised to get better.

And another is that Love plays every game. He’s available. And is likely to be play at his current level through say a 3-year contract.

fair enough. Of course, I’m arguing that trend is in the process of changing. I’m sure we’ll be debating this specific issue in the future!

In comment 16047892 cosmicj said:

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In comment 16047715 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: In comment 16047681 cosmicj said: Quote: I just think not resigning Love would be a critical error. He’s just much more important to the team than Saquon. My two cents. I’m not advocating signing Barkley long term, but to say Love is more important than Barkley is nonsense. Barkley won games for us. He basically carried us the first half of the season. Love is a nice player, but his production is easily replaceable. This debate would ideally examine yardage. Love is a very good tackler and that means that he saves us significant yardage allowed on the defensive end vs a replacement level S. Barkley also generates significant yardage vs a replacement level RB. But just because SB is carrying the ball while Love isn’t by itself doesn’t mean squat. I don’t think which is more valuable id cut and dried at all. In fact. I would guess that the net yardage impact from Love is bigger than Barkley. That’s one of my reasons for making my statement. Another is that the heart of the Giants is their defense, right now. The offense is mediocre; their defense is very good and I believe poised to get better. And another is that Love plays every game. He’s available. And is likely to be play at his current level through say a 3-year contract.

You can twist all you want but Barkley is a much better player than Love is. Barkley won us the Titans game, he won us the Bears game, and he was instrumental in us winning the Packers, Ravens, and Jaguars game this season.

I’m presenting you with an argument about why Love is a more valuable player than Saquon.

Every time Love makes an open field tackle, he is subtracting yards from the opposition. Every time Barkley makes a long run, he is adding to the Giants totals. Which is total is larger?