Or will he just go after every dollar he thinks he can get?
And if no agreement can be reached, does he realize how a quarterback franchise affects the opportunity to sign others?
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That’s just really not accurate in isolation. It all matters.
Schoens job is making sure he assess and values the QB properly. If Giants make a huge investment here and Jones falls by wayside, Schoen will be fired regardless of how good he drafts.
Not many QBs or any player for that matter take less money. It happens but most take as much as they can. It’s easy for us to sit here and say we would take less to win but when you see the harsh reality of the NFL and players getting hurt or cut because their old or injured you should get what you can.
It’s a business first, game second. These guys retire in their 20s and 30s. Normal people in their 60s or 70s or not at all.
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C’mon Bruner, let’s not getting bogged down with reality… don’t tell them that the cap is projected to increase every year for the next couple years also
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come on man, it’s a business. If Schoen does his job well than what Jones makes won’t matter as much.
That’s just really not accurate in isolation. It all matters.
Schoens job is making sure he assess and values the QB properly. If Giants make a huge investment here and Jones falls by wayside, Schoen will be fired regardless of how good he drafts.
Sure it is. The thread is about Jones accepting less for the team - that isn’t how it works 99% of the time. Schoen has to decide what Jones is worth and if he pays him it’s on him to make the best team possible with the money left over.
Schoen should just point out Bienemy and Hackett as his possible OC. I don't know if Mcaddo is still in Car and I don't want to know.
Wonder if there is some other dark horse candidate franchise with a not horrible or good coach - GB, Denver, NE, Seattle, Philly? I would put LV in the Bienemy and Hackett pile.
If they don't budge perhaps he takes a little less and considers that fact. No reason to do that yet
Problem is, for those who insist a subpar supporting cast is the reason for the mediocre offense, now what? Do we blame Schoen for not drafting enough skill position players on rookie contracts? On coaches for not developing them sooner?
No, it was a 5th year OPTION. Giants elected to not exercise the option. They didn’t void anything. What they did was to make his 4th year a prove-it year, instead of dragging this whole issue out for another year.
Not many QBs or any player for that matter take less money. It happens but most take as much as they can. It’s easy for us to sit here and say we would take less to win but when you see the harsh reality of the NFL and players getting hurt or cut because their old or injured you should get what you can.
It’s a business first, game second. These guys retire in their 20s and 30s. Normal people in their 60s or 70s or not at all.
Oh cry me a river about this. They retire in their 20s and 30s making many multiples over their career than people that HAD TO work until they were in their 60s and 70s. You're making it sound like it's some privilege to work into your 60s and 70s and making regular people money as opposed to being worth 10s or 100s of millions of dollars and being in your 30s when you retire.
Most of us aren't in a position where our salary would come one iota of having the impact on an organization the way a QB's salary impacts a team. Furthermore, unless you're a top executive the success of your organization is nowhere near as important to the average person as the success of a team is to a QB both for legacy purposes and future contracts. This is an asinine comparison.
Inquiring minds want to know!
If the deal was I will take less money if you put it into the O-line. I might take that, if it helps keep me from getting pummeled.
I'm surprised that it doesn't happen more. No guarantee they can make O-line better, but which QB wouldn't want to have less chance to get hurt, as their top priority. What good is all the money if your career ends early and youhave major health problems.
Why would 35M-40M be taking less? 45M for a QB of his talent and accomplishments is more than market rate. What if he asked for 80M and we were like "that's too much!" would expecting a lower contract be expecting him to take less or to take market rate?
If someone else will be dumb enough to pay him that much that's one thing. Is there any evidence to that?
Let him play some where else, use the money and picks to build the roster.
Let him play some where else, use the money and picks to build the roster.
How dare his agents do their jobs!!!
Lol I was waiting for someone to bring this up...
I don't blame Jones for attempting to get as much cheddar as he can. It's a business & we're talking about generational wealth here. You or I would do the same.
I just hope Schoen has a red line that he won't cross.
Yes, this is what any agent is going to tell Jones. There is some precedence though of players taking a little less to keep the band together, so to speak, and not just in football.
My guess...DJ will put this to the 11th hour and sign a deal so as to guarantee himself financial security beyond 2023 and not play on the tag. Much has been made regarding the prospect that Jones could earn himself a lot more money by playing great in 2023 and going to the negotiation table again this time next year. However, it must be acknowledged that the reverse is also true, and that has to be in the forefront of his mind as well. Particularly with DJ's play-style, a significant injury that either adversely affects his performance or keeps him off the field for a large portion of the season (or more), could adversely affect the next deal he signs.
Same threads, different days.
I don't blame Jones for attempting to get as much cheddar as he can. It's a business & we're talking about generational wealth here. You or I would do the same.
I just hope Schoen has a red line that he won't cross.
Well his girl needs to get in a bikini and start earning her keep! ;) Where's her priorities, huh? She needs to help put a winner around her man! This is 2023, after all, the wifey can be the breadwinner! Get off your ass, Ella!
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Hasn’t Brady done it several times to help his team?
Lol I was waiting for someone to bring this up...
Brady is literally the only one and well 1) he had a side hustle that apparently Kraft was funneling money into and 2) His supermodel wife made a lot more than him.
Jones should and will go after every market dollar he’s worth (or thinks he is)
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that DJ should take less even though no one else does? Wanting him to take less and that being a realistic ask are two different things.
Why would 35M-40M be taking less? 45M for a QB of his talent and accomplishments is more than market rate. What if he asked for 80M and we were like "that's too much!" would expecting a lower contract be expecting him to take less or to take market rate?
If someone else will be dumb enough to pay him that much that's one thing. Is there any evidence to that?
It’s a negotiation. Why wouldn’t he start above where he expects to net out?
My version of less is that he actually takes less than what the Giants offer. In other words, not happening.