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Will Daniel Jones realize what his contract does to the team

jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 3/4/2023 10:05 am
Or will he just go after every dollar he thinks he can get?

And if no agreement can be reached, does he realize how a quarterback franchise affects the opportunity to sign others?
Daniel Jones needs to see the big picture in giants negotiations - ( New Window )
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With all do respect  
HardTruth : 3/4/2023 10:07 am : link
Thats the job of the GM not Jones
That’s Joe Schoen’s job  
BillT : 3/4/2023 10:08 am : link
Try and keep it real.
God make it stop  
bLiTz 2k : 3/4/2023 10:12 am : link
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Take less to maybe win?  
UConn4523 : 3/4/2023 10:13 am : link
come on man, it’s a business. If Schoen does his job well than what Jones makes won’t matter as much.
RE: Take less to maybe win?  
Sammo85 : 3/4/2023 10:20 am : link
In comment 16050679 UConn4523 said:
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come on man, it’s a business. If Schoen does his job well than what Jones makes won’t matter as much.


That’s just really not accurate in isolation. It all matters.

Schoens job is making sure he assess and values the QB properly. If Giants make a huge investment here and Jones falls by wayside, Schoen will be fired regardless of how good he drafts.
The thought may enter his head but it won't his agents . His agent is  
Blue21 : 3/4/2023 10:26 am : link
not going to want his client to pay for the sins of the past. Giants screwed their cap money up not Jones .
You can’t blame Jones for wanting every dollar he can get  
Rudy5757 : 3/4/2023 10:27 am : link
If he hits the open market he will get paid so why take less to stay? Or maybe he hits the open market and his value isn’t what he thought.

Not many QBs or any player for that matter take less money. It happens but most take as much as they can. It’s easy for us to sit here and say we would take less to win but when you see the harsh reality of the NFL and players getting hurt or cut because their old or injured you should get what you can.

It’s a business first, game second. These guys retire in their 20s and 30s. Normal people in their 60s or 70s or not at all.
It’s a business  
Br00klyn : 3/4/2023 10:28 am : link
Do you care that the more money your job gives you affects how much they give others and how they are able to operate? Or do you not care and just take every dollar you can get?
both...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/4/2023 10:34 am : link
...of course.
Obviously DJ has to look out for his best interests  
Essex : 3/4/2023 10:38 am : link
but since only so much of these contracts are guaranteed, if you want to see the back end of that money you better perform. To do that well, you need a supporting cast. Having the ability to put a good team around him is in DJ’s best interest not to win games for the sake of winning games, but for his bank account. So, yes, he has some incentive not to bleed the giants dry. He isn’t mahommes or burrow who will no doubt be the answer no matter how the team does. jones’s success and seeing the back end of this money is dependent upon the team getting other assets.
like most athletes with short careers  
Dave on the UWS : 3/4/2023 10:46 am : link
NO. Its not his problem.
RE: God make it stop  
jvm52106 : 3/4/2023 10:50 am : link
In comment 16050678 bLiTz 2k said:
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No Objectivity left on this board  
Bruner4329 : 3/4/2023 10:52 am : link
This whole Jones thing has lost perspective. Let's assume he signs a contract with an AAV of $40 million but the first couple of years are cap friendly. So right now that type contract would make him the 9th highest paid QB in the game. However you know Lamar J., Herbert, Burrows and Hurts are getting new contracts that will exceed that. So then he becomes 13th in the league. MY point is in a year or 2 he is probably somewhere around 15th in the league in QB pay. This is the reality and IMO he is top 15 in this league.
He knows  
Spider43 : 3/4/2023 11:09 am : link
This is his best chance to get a huge deal. He probably correctly surmises he isn't likely to replicate last season. This is it. He's not concerned about the team's finances, he just wants bank. I don't blame him. Strike while the iron is hot. All that said, I'm leaning tag. Then take the training wheels off next season and open up the playbook. See if he's really 'dat dude'. I suspect everything comes back down to earth next season.
RE: No Objectivity left on this board  
Bourne ‘86 : 3/4/2023 11:13 am : link
In comment 16050756 Bruner4329 said:
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This whole Jones thing has lost perspective. Let's assume he signs a contract with an AAV of $40 million but the first couple of years are cap friendly. So right now that type contract would make him the 9th highest paid QB in the game. However you know Lamar J., Herbert, Burrows and Hurts are getting new contracts that will exceed that. So then he becomes 13th in the league. MY point is in a year or 2 he is probably somewhere around 15th in the league in QB pay. This is the reality and IMO he is top 15 in this league.

C’mon Bruner, let’s not getting bogged down with reality… don’t tell them that the cap is projected to increase every year for the next couple years also
It’s a valid question  
Mayo2JZ : 3/4/2023 11:14 am : link
Hasn’t Brady done it several times to help his team?
RE: RE: Take less to maybe win?  
UConn4523 : 3/4/2023 11:15 am : link
In comment 16050692 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 16050679 UConn4523 said:


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come on man, it’s a business. If Schoen does his job well than what Jones makes won’t matter as much.



That’s just really not accurate in isolation. It all matters.

Schoens job is making sure he assess and values the QB properly. If Giants make a huge investment here and Jones falls by wayside, Schoen will be fired regardless of how good he drafts.


Sure it is. The thread is about Jones accepting less for the team - that isn’t how it works 99% of the time. Schoen has to decide what Jones is worth and if he pays him it’s on him to make the best team possible with the money left over.
Given Jones is 25,  
Gjfro : 3/4/2023 11:16 am : link
there should be a workable deal here with voidable years to make cap hit very manageable with sizeable guaranteed $$$ AND allowing Jones to get mammoth contract at 29 when he will be in his prime
At least we know  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/4/2023 11:16 am : link
what Boomer Esiason's handle is on bbi.
One more thing  
Mayo2JZ : 3/4/2023 11:17 am : link
DJ has to really consider if he would be successful under another coaching staff. He really flourished under Daboll
Don't you realize that the Giants  
RobCrossRiver56 : 3/4/2023 11:18 am : link
voided Jones 5th year option?
RE: One more thing  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/4/2023 11:22 am : link
In comment 16050798 Mayo2JZ said:
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DJ has to really consider if he would be successful under another coaching staff. He really flourished under Daboll


Schoen should just point out Bienemy and Hackett as his possible OC. I don't know if Mcaddo is still in Car and I don't want to know.

Wonder if there is some other dark horse candidate franchise with a not horrible or good coach - GB, Denver, NE, Seattle, Philly? I would put LV in the Bienemy and Hackett pile.
Negotiate  
Jimmy the Saint : 3/4/2023 11:54 am : link
He has zero reason to NOT bring this as close to the tag deadline as possible for we really know where he stands. Negotiating 101. Put the other side in a position where they have to make a decision and put a best and final on the table.

If they don't budge perhaps he takes a little less and considers that fact. No reason to do that yet
That’s not his primary concern.  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/4/2023 12:05 pm : link
But I am not happy Schoen has to fork over more than 35M.

Problem is, for those who insist a subpar supporting cast is the reason for the mediocre offense, now what? Do we blame Schoen for not drafting enough skill position players on rookie contracts? On coaches for not developing them sooner?
He will be able to add players in FA and the draft  
UConn4523 : 3/4/2023 12:13 pm : link
We won’t be paying Golladay anymore and that was $18m in dead weight that will go towards Jones. Dex and Thomas being extended also frees up cap. Schoen will have plenty of room to operate.
RE: Don't you realize that the Giants  
Ivan15 : 3/4/2023 12:14 pm : link
In comment 16050800 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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voided Jones 5th year option?
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No, it was a 5th year OPTION. Giants elected to not exercise the option. They didn’t void anything. What they did was to make his 4th year a prove-it year, instead of dragging this whole issue out for another year.
to compare Jones to Brady is not apples to apples....  
edavisiii : 3/4/2023 12:24 pm : link
#1, Brady had a wife making more $$$$ than he, he was in a position to give a little to the Pats. #2 Brady had already gotten the financial benefits of previous contracts and for the most part, probably realized he was already set for life. This is Jones 1st contract negotiation and remember he runs a lot so he is at greater injury risk. Jones has had a serious neck injury already and who knows if this is his only chance to capitalize. #3 How many of you walk into work and say "I'll take less pay for the good of the company so you can hire more people!" Probably very few. This is his living, its a job, PERIOD! I can't blame Jones, he is doing what any responsible human being would do. Take care of yourself and your family the best you can when an opportunity arises. Isn't that why we work?
RE: You can’t blame Jones for wanting every dollar he can get  
BestFeature : 3/4/2023 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16050703 Rudy5757 said:
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If he hits the open market he will get paid so why take less to stay? Or maybe he hits the open market and his value isn’t what he thought.

Not many QBs or any player for that matter take less money. It happens but most take as much as they can. It’s easy for us to sit here and say we would take less to win but when you see the harsh reality of the NFL and players getting hurt or cut because their old or injured you should get what you can.

It’s a business first, game second. These guys retire in their 20s and 30s. Normal people in their 60s or 70s or not at all.


Oh cry me a river about this. They retire in their 20s and 30s making many multiples over their career than people that HAD TO work until they were in their 60s and 70s. You're making it sound like it's some privilege to work into your 60s and 70s and making regular people money as opposed to being worth 10s or 100s of millions of dollars and being in your 30s when you retire.
RE: It’s a business  
BestFeature : 3/4/2023 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16050704 Br00klyn said:
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Do you care that the more money your job gives you affects how much they give others and how they are able to operate? Or do you not care and just take every dollar you can get?


Most of us aren't in a position where our salary would come one iota of having the impact on an organization the way a QB's salary impacts a team. Furthermore, unless you're a top executive the success of your organization is nowhere near as important to the average person as the success of a team is to a QB both for legacy purposes and future contracts. This is an asinine comparison.
People comparing the average Joe Schmo to a QB for an NFL team  
BestFeature : 3/4/2023 12:41 pm : link
are out to lunch.
Does Daniel Jones  
Boatie Warrant : 3/4/2023 12:42 pm : link
Know what happens when he passes in the toilet without lifting the seat?

Inquiring minds want to know!
So what’s your suggestion  
UConn4523 : 3/4/2023 12:42 pm : link
that DJ should take less even though no one else does? Wanting him to take less and that being a realistic ask are two different things.
Hmmmmm  
Boatie Warrant : 3/4/2023 12:43 pm : link
Pisses not passes
RE: It’s a business  
OX100 : 3/4/2023 12:55 pm : link
In comment 16050704 Br00klyn said:
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Do you care that the more money your job gives you affects how much they give others and how they are able to operate? Or do you not care and just take every dollar you can get?


If the deal was I will take less money if you put it into the O-line. I might take that, if it helps keep me from getting pummeled.

I'm surprised that it doesn't happen more. No guarantee they can make O-line better, but which QB wouldn't want to have less chance to get hurt, as their top priority. What good is all the money if your career ends early and youhave major health problems.
RE: So what’s your suggestion  
BestFeature : 3/4/2023 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16050911 UConn4523 said:
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that DJ should take less even though no one else does? Wanting him to take less and that being a realistic ask are two different things.


Why would 35M-40M be taking less? 45M for a QB of his talent and accomplishments is more than market rate. What if he asked for 80M and we were like "that's too much!" would expecting a lower contract be expecting him to take less or to take market rate?

If someone else will be dumb enough to pay him that much that's one thing. Is there any evidence to that?
Jones is displaying some really arrogance if  
kelly : 3/4/2023 1:45 pm : link
He is really serious about 45 million.

Let him play some where else, use the money and picks to build the roster.

RE: Jones is displaying some really arrogance if  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/4/2023 1:47 pm : link
In comment 16050985 kelly said:
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He is really serious about 45 million.

Let him play some where else, use the money and picks to build the roster.


How dare his agents do their jobs!!!
RE: It’s a valid question  
JCin332 : 3/4/2023 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16050789 Mayo2JZ said:
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Hasn’t Brady done it several times to help his team?


Lol I was waiting for someone to bring this up...
Would be interesting to see the responses  
ThisIsMyBBIname : 3/4/2023 1:59 pm : link
If the subject of this article was Barkley
LoL, Team Jones is not Mother Theresa, Giants  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 3/4/2023 2:19 pm : link
Can’t cry poverty over their decision to drop 5th year, Time to pay the piper.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/4/2023 2:25 pm : link
TB12 was also married to Gisele, a world famous model who made nice coin too. Comparing DJ & TB12 is absurd.

I don't blame Jones for attempting to get as much cheddar as he can. It's a business & we're talking about generational wealth here. You or I would do the same.

I just hope Schoen has a red line that he won't cross.
Not his problem….  
morrison40 : 3/4/2023 2:26 pm : link
His own career earnings are his problem. It’s a business decision just like the one the Giants made by declining his 5th yr option.
RE: With all do respect  
allstarjim : 3/4/2023 2:37 pm : link
In comment 16050670 HardTruth said:
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Thats the job of the GM not Jones


Yes, this is what any agent is going to tell Jones. There is some precedence though of players taking a little less to keep the band together, so to speak, and not just in football.

My guess...DJ will put this to the 11th hour and sign a deal so as to guarantee himself financial security beyond 2023 and not play on the tag. Much has been made regarding the prospect that Jones could earn himself a lot more money by playing great in 2023 and going to the negotiation table again this time next year. However, it must be acknowledged that the reverse is also true, and that has to be in the forefront of his mind as well. Particularly with DJ's play-style, a significant injury that either adversely affects his performance or keeps him off the field for a large portion of the season (or more), could adversely affect the next deal he signs.
These contract discussions  
Dave on the UWS : 3/4/2023 2:40 pm : link
are just lipstick on a pig. More of the "I love Jones- he's the man" or "he sucks, dump him".
Same threads, different days.
RE: ...  
allstarjim : 3/4/2023 2:41 pm : link
In comment 16051039 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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TB12 was also married to Gisele, a world famous model who made nice coin too. Comparing DJ & TB12 is absurd.

I don't blame Jones for attempting to get as much cheddar as he can. It's a business & we're talking about generational wealth here. You or I would do the same.

I just hope Schoen has a red line that he won't cross.


Well his girl needs to get in a bikini and start earning her keep! ;) Where's her priorities, huh? She needs to help put a winner around her man! This is 2023, after all, the wifey can be the breadwinner! Get off your ass, Ella!
RE: RE: It’s a valid question  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/4/2023 3:10 pm : link
In comment 16051000 JCin332 said:
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Hasn’t Brady done it several times to help his team?



Lol I was waiting for someone to bring this up...


Brady is literally the only one and well 1) he had a side hustle that apparently Kraft was funneling money into and 2) His supermodel wife made a lot more than him.

Jones should and will go after every market dollar he’s worth (or thinks he is)
Not his problem  
HomerJones45 : 3/4/2023 3:12 pm : link
that is what the GM gets paid to do
RE: RE: So what’s your suggestion  
UConn4523 : 3/4/2023 3:32 pm : link
In comment 16050926 BestFeature said:
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In comment 16050911 UConn4523 said:


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that DJ should take less even though no one else does? Wanting him to take less and that being a realistic ask are two different things.



Why would 35M-40M be taking less? 45M for a QB of his talent and accomplishments is more than market rate. What if he asked for 80M and we were like "that's too much!" would expecting a lower contract be expecting him to take less or to take market rate?

If someone else will be dumb enough to pay him that much that's one thing. Is there any evidence to that?


It’s a negotiation. Why wouldn’t he start above where he expects to net out?

My version of less is that he actually takes less than what the Giants offer. In other words, not happening.
I dont know why they'd hamper themselves  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/4/2023 8:27 pm : link
with Jones and Barkley. If they draft a QB they can be free of the QBs salary for the next 5 years. I think Jones gets the transition tag.
No problem with it  
rsjem1979 : 3/4/2023 11:06 pm : link
I don’t have a problem with Jones asking for $45 million. I’d have a huge problem with the Giants giving him anywhere near that much.
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