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| After several days of meetings at the combine, #Giants officials and Daniel Jones’ agents from Athletes First are expected to leave Indianapolis on Sunday with no contract resolution in sight, per sources. Clock continuing to tick towards Tuesday’s franchise tag deadline. |
of course they're leaving
doesn't seem like news to me
I do think if we tag Jones, the likely outcome at this point, Barkley is gone.
The Giants hold all of the cards here.
I do think if we tag Jones, the likely outcome at this point, Barkley is gone.
The Giants hold all of the cards here.
Giants only hold one card. It’s an ace but that’s all they have. If they use the tag, Jones can force them to let Barkley go and paralyze them in free agency. Jones still controls the deck.
Huh? “If we won’t agree”? Are you Jones’ agent?
Take a look at the skill position FAs, it’s barren. Barkley will be getting paid as a FA.
He WILL definitely receive big offers. You’re fooling yourself.
How many teams want a stud RB under 27 with HOF potential?? Plenty.
Its the RB. Not the fucking punter.
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if he hits FA. How many teams are out there that have the cap space and are willing to commit $15M or so of it to a RB with an injury history and a fair number of miles? Maybe some, but I wouldn't be surprised if he tested FA and came back and took the Giants' offer.
Take a look at the skill position FAs, it’s barren. Barkley will be getting paid as a FA.
Let another team make that short sighted mistake.
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Doesn't mean anything without direct knowledge but could very well be true.
I do think if we tag Jones, the likely outcome at this point, Barkley is gone.
The Giants hold all of the cards here.
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Giants only hold one card. It’s an ace but that’s all they have. If they use the tag, Jones can force them to let Barkley go and paralyze them in free agency. Jones still controls the deck.
The Giants have 2 Aces. They have tag this year, 32 million and the tag next year, 38 million. That’s two powerful aces. And Jones has to accept them.
No Daniel Jones doesn’t control the deck.
Let the negotiations play out without all this hand wringing
Draft Stetson Bennet and spend the money and draft picks to build the roster.
Let Jones play some where else. He's worn out his welcome as far as I am concerned.
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Doesn't mean anything without direct knowledge but could very well be true.
I do think if we tag Jones, the likely outcome at this point, Barkley is gone.
The Giants hold all of the cards here.
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Giants only hold one card. It’s an ace but that’s all they have. If they use the tag, Jones can force them to let Barkley go and paralyze them in free agency. Jones still controls the deck.
I disagree. They can tag him, non exclusive and let him go find a deal out there. If he does, we can match or we can take the compensation or work a sign and deal.
Jones being tagged only effects Barkley, my least overall concern this off season. Deals can be signed that are cap friendly elsewhere.
So much is going to happen across the league in a few days here.
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if he hits FA. How many teams are out there that have the cap space and are willing to commit $15M or so of it to a RB with an injury history and a fair number of miles? Maybe some, but I wouldn't be surprised if he tested FA and came back and took the Giants' offer.
He WILL definitely receive big offers. You’re fooling yourself.
How many teams want a stud RB under 27 with HOF potential?? Plenty.
Its the RB. Not the fucking punter.
What was the last big free agent running back contract? I honestly can’t remember.
All the big RB contracts in recent times have been franchises resigning their own. Zeke, CMC, Henry, etc.
Saquon may get a bigger offer than what the Giants are offering, but I don’t think he’s getting top end money. I could be wrong.
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if he hits FA. How many teams are out there that have the cap space and are willing to commit $15M or so of it to a RB with an injury history and a fair number of miles? Maybe some, but I wouldn't be surprised if he tested FA and came back and took the Giants' offer.
Take a look at the skill position FAs, it’s barren. Barkley will be getting paid as a FA.
Let another team make that short sighted mistake.
And the Giants would also be possibly making a short sighted mistake by thinking they can replace their best offensive weapon with a mid to late round pick…because hey you can find a RB at low cost. Not that I want them to overpay for Saquon, but I ahidder to think about what this offense looks like w/o a threat like Saquon.
Draft Stetson Bennet and spend the money and draft picks to build the roster.
Let Jones play some where else. He's worn out his welcome as far as I am concerned.
Why take this personally and why make assumptions about what’s happening based on reports that may not be accurate?
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In comment 16051376 BigBlueNH said:
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if he hits FA. How many teams are out there that have the cap space and are willing to commit $15M or so of it to a RB with an injury history and a fair number of miles? Maybe some, but I wouldn't be surprised if he tested FA and came back and took the Giants' offer.
Take a look at the skill position FAs, it’s barren. Barkley will be getting paid as a FA.
Let another team make that short sighted mistake.
And the Giants would also be possibly making a short sighted mistake by thinking they can replace their best offensive weapon with a mid to late round pick…because hey you can find a RB at low cost. Not that I want them to overpay for Saquon, but I ahidder to think about what this offense looks like w/o a threat like Saquon.
To be quite honest he wasnt their best weapon in the second half, it was Jones. He faded a bit after the big Houston game- a game that should be looked at with a somewhat skeptical eye as EVERY back had huge games against Houston and Barkley's wasn't that HUGE..
You mistake who Barkley would be replaced. Yes a mid round back would be added but most likely a committee with various talents would replace Barkley..
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Quarterbacks have long careers and he will make plenty of money. But 45 million is rediculous. 15 touchdowns!
Draft Stetson Bennet and spend the money and draft picks to build the roster.
Let Jones play some where else. He's worn out his welcome as far as I am concerned.
Why take this personally and why make assumptions about what’s happening based on reports that may not be accurate?
And Stetson Bennett is not the QB for this offense.
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Quarterbacks have long careers and he will make plenty of money. But 45 million is rediculous. 15 touchdowns!
Draft Stetson Bennet and spend the money and draft picks to build the roster.
Let Jones play some where else. He's worn out his welcome as far as I am concerned.
Why take this personally and why make assumptions about what’s happening based on reports that may not be accurate?
Because it’s BBI? 😎
That seems like an odd take considering what it was like the second half.
I think Barkley is a very good back but, teams across the league use multiple backs in place of a bell cow back.
People have little to no idea how much SB’s shoulder could have hindered him, because that’s essentially WHEN his play began to suffer compared to pre-injury. And yes, that is a viable excuse.
I don't see JS doing a deal that he can't get out of in the next 2-3 years. If it goes NEFT and a team offers a deal then JS will evaluate that versus moves he can make with the extra picks.
The talent gap is the biggest issue and I am more worried about the OL and front 7. Giants are not winning another SB till these units improve significantly.
Don't come in here and expect me to give up the house
This is going to come right doen to the wire.
But I do think a team WOULD pay 2 #1s for DJ maybe even starting with the Jets. They are in the same building and know the quality of this kids ability and character
This could be the other factor at play here. Agents are saying their is significant interest in my client and other teams will try to sign him. Other teams also may be willing to give the two 1's (if the Jets they could be late picks because they have a ton of pieces on that team just not the QB) and offer a bigger contract than you are offering right now.
Who is going to flinch. How bad do they want to keep DJ?
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As for Barkley, I think Jones needs Barkley next season a lot more than the other way around if that plays out. It may help fast forward a roster and talent pivot to come on offense for 2024 but this offense will be ugly as hell next year with no Barkley.
That seems like an odd take considering what it was like the second half.
I think Barkley is a very good back but, teams across the league use multiple backs in place of a bell cow back.
Odd take? You’re not replacing the threat Barkley provides on offense with a bunch of street FAs, Matt Breida and a mid round draft pick.
Jones best games came with Barkley playing whether he was limited or not, his threat and deployment on the field opened up what he can do in running and better pass options. Defenses had to compensate for his ability to get outside as a runner or pass option.
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As for Barkley, I think Jones needs Barkley next season a lot more than the other way around if that plays out. It may help fast forward a roster and talent pivot to come on offense for 2024 but this offense will be ugly as hell next year with no Barkley.
That seems like an odd take considering what it was like the second half.
I think Barkley is a very good back but, teams across the league use multiple backs in place of a bell cow back.
Odd take? You’re not replacing the threat Barkley provides on offense with a bunch of street FAs, Matt Breida and a mid round draft pick.
Jones best games came with Barkley playing whether he was limited or not, his threat and deployment on the field opened up what he can do in running and better pass options. Defenses had to compensate for his ability to get outside as a runner or pass option.
The attitudes at times, seem to indicate that there are a bunch of backs, cheaper backs, that could bring anywhere near the threat, that SB presents
This is going to come right doen to the wire.
But I do think a team WOULD pay 2 #1s for DJ maybe even starting with the Jets. They are in the same building and know the quality of this kids ability and character
This could be the other factor at play here. Agents are saying their is significant interest in my client and other teams will try to sign him. Other teams also may be willing to give the two 1's (if the Jets they could be late picks because they have a ton of pieces on that team just not the QB) and offer a bigger contract than you are offering right now.
Who is going to flinch. How bad do they want to keep DJ?
You are on crack if you think a GM is spending 2 1st rd picks on Daniel jones
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As for Barkley, I think Jones needs Barkley next season a lot more than the other way around if that plays out. It may help fast forward a roster and talent pivot to come on offense for 2024 but this offense will be ugly as hell next year with no Barkley.
That seems like an odd take considering what it was like the second half.
I think Barkley is a very good back but, teams across the league use multiple backs in place of a bell cow back.
Odd take? You’re not replacing the threat Barkley provides on offense with a bunch of street FAs, Matt Breida and a mid round draft pick.
Jones best games came with Barkley playing whether he was limited or not, his threat and deployment on the field opened up what he can do in running and better pass options. Defenses had to compensate for his ability to get outside as a runner or pass option.
The attitudes at times, seem to indicate that there are a bunch of backs, cheaper backs, that could bring anywhere near the threat, that SB presents
If you’re letting Barkley go, and there is an argument for doing so if again much like Jones the money and guaranteed ask over long term is frankly stupid and unreasonable. However from get go the offense is going to change it’s going to take a couple years to retool and Jones to gel with the playmaking spots and OL.
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Or DJ?
This is going to come right doen to the wire.
But I do think a team WOULD pay 2 #1s for DJ maybe even starting with the Jets. They are in the same building and know the quality of this kids ability and character
This could be the other factor at play here. Agents are saying their is significant interest in my client and other teams will try to sign him. Other teams also may be willing to give the two 1's (if the Jets they could be late picks because they have a ton of pieces on that team just not the QB) and offer a bigger contract than you are offering right now.
Who is going to flinch. How bad do they want to keep DJ?
You are on crack if you think a GM is spending 2 1st rd picks on Daniel jones
If his number is approaching 40M + and his agents are syaing that is his value there stands a pretty good chance at least one QB desperate teams thinks so too. 40M+ is most definitely QB you can win a SuperBowl with territory.
Teams have given up more than two late 1s if they feel a QB is the big missing piece.
You may not see Jones that way doesn't mean other GMs who do this for a living see it much differently than you do.
How much is Garoppolo worth then? Don’t tell me $25M with his playoff resume and his career record as a starter.
The Giants will be fine if they let Barkley walk.
Ugly?
So, if we upgrade the OL, add more WR skill, get healthy at TE, and modernize at RB with RBBC, the offense will have a pullback in 2022 because of the loss of Barkley?
The future of this offense is Jones and better surrounding parts. Not Barkley.
I'm continually amazed how many posters think a high-priced, bell cow RB is still a winning formula in today's NFL.
Giants have so many needs the question is whether it is easier to replace Jones than to try and patch together OLs and WRs who are unproven or very limited for the next several years.
Hope that reason prevails and the team can work something out with this kid, but if not go build the rest of the team and draft a young QB to develop. I think that the coaching staff proved last year that they can coach up a QB by scheming to his strengths.