who don’t see this past season as a positive stepping stone in the career of Daniel Jones and that with the continuity and expertise that Daboll now provides, and competent roster building that Schoen now provides, we will see continued growth from Jones at a somewhat rapid pace compared to the couple of season before Daboll got here.
Schoen and Daboll just tied their NYG careers and maybe even more importantly their NFL careers to Daniel Jones for better or worse. That’s what they just told you. And don’t give me that this cake from Mara. If that was true the option would have been picked up last year.
LOL, so are you saying that the WR’s aren’t a problem? No need to seriously upgrade the unit?
It’s not an excuse, it’s a fact; the unit is pretty bad. Maybe bumped up to mediocre on their best day.
Look around the league at cuts this week. It’s very hard to keep teams together paying even elite QBs big money. The supporting cast isn’t going to improve to elite without some serious draft luck. Jones now needs to be elite.
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Jones gets $82M guaranteed over the first two years, per
@TomPelissero
82 GTD over the first two years means there is no escape hatch after 2 years. That, or there is barely any cap relief vs the tag, which wouldn't make any sense
I'm not sure you're thinking of that correctly.
The guaranteed money getting paid out early is good. It makes it easier to escape the contract, or re-structure it. You want to get the big money out of the way now, so in year 3, if it's not working, you can move out without a time bomb of dead money.
LOL, so are you saying that the WR’s aren’t a problem? No need to seriously upgrade the unit?
It’s not an excuse, it’s a fact; the unit is pretty bad. Maybe bumped up to mediocre on their best day.
Look around the league at cuts this week. It’s very hard to keep teams together paying even elite QBs big money. The supporting cast isn’t going to improve to elite without some serious draft luck. Jones now needs to be elite.
Dude you’re a ducking cronic complainer. If giants paid jones a bag of donuts you’d bitch and say not our Boston crème!
Mind putting the rhetoric aside for just a few minutes? Let's celebrate the signing, thinking JS and BD made the right evaluation. You can go back on the attack later.
Everybody knows DJ has to live up to expectations. Duh.
and as if having clowns for coaches for 2-3 years and the worst combination of OL and WRs in the league, are just silly illegitimate excuses.
What's going to make the "excuses era over" isn't Jones getting paid. It's good coaching (which we finally have), better pass pro (got better towards end of '22) and some legit WRs (which Schoen will be adding through draft and maybe FA or trade).
wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.
A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.
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Giants QB Daniel Jones will take home $82 million over the first two years of his four-year, $160 million deal, per source. So the base of the first two years of his deal bests the three-year base in Geno Smith's deal.
no win situation, we sign the man, they overpaid, we dont sign him whos the alternative with fans, me personally I wouldve signed a vet and tag jones, just me.
wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.
A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.
If it offends you, go play outside.
Can you go away for the rest of the day, and save the negativity until tomorrow, at least? You'll have the next 2-3 years to focus on rooting against our QB. Thanks!
no win situation, we sign the man, they overpaid, we dont sign him whos the alternative with fans, me personally I wouldve signed a vet and tag Barkley, just me.
the cap hit does. We don't know that yet. If they structured this right, its a market contract, the incentives give him numbers to shoot for (which benefit the won loss record), and allow for roster building. Keep your pants on, for crying out loud!
I think the $82 million number is being looked at wrong
wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.
A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.
If it offends you, go play outside.
Can you go away for the rest of the day, and save the negativity until tomorrow, at least? You'll have the next 2-3 years to focus on rooting against our QB. Thanks!
I asked a question. I don’t root against anyone on the Giants.
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Jones gets $82M guaranteed over the first two years, per
@TomPelissero
82 GTD over the first two years means there is no escape hatch after 2 years. That, or there is barely any cap relief vs the tag, which wouldn't make any sense
I'm not sure you're thinking of that correctly.
The guaranteed money getting paid out early is good. It makes it easier to escape the contract, or re-structure it. You want to get the big money out of the way now, so in year 3, if it's not working, you can move out without a time bomb of dead money.
I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but if he is getting 82 over the first 2 years, that means at least 82 needs to be spent on the cap in the next 3 years (if cut after 2). For the cap hit to get significantly under 32, more of that money is pushed back, so unless next year is a massive hit, there would be very significant dead cap in year 3 if cut. That doesn't account for if there is any non GTD money in year 2, which would add to the total
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Daniel Jones displayed improvement under duress in 2022, completing +4.3% of his passes over expected when pressured (3rd in NFL).
Jones has been pressured on 37.5% of his dropbacks since entering the NFL in 2019, the only QB over 35%.
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Daniel Jones displayed improvement under duress in 2022, completing +4.3% of his passes over expected when pressured (3rd in NFL).
Jones has been pressured on 37.5% of his dropbacks since entering the NFL in 2019, the only QB over 35%.
Wow. Better not let the “no more excuses” crowd see that stat.
But guaranteed money is really the heavyweight in these deals. Everything else you can play around with, and if they're paying out the bulk of the guarantees on the front end, this does give the giants more flexibility down the line. It's not an obvious 'out' like an option year, but it helps, doesn't hurt, IMO. Jones gets the security of guaranteed money now, the Giants have a QB under contract and they can re-evaluate the relationship in 2+ years.
No way, the first year of Jones' contract on the cap is WAY below $40 million. In fact it has to be way below the $32M tag number
Report said $82 million guaranteed the first two years.
That's the cash in Jones' pocket. It's not the cap.
His bonus will be amortized.
the 82 will be his Signing bounus olus 1st 2 years salary
probably 60m in signing bounus and then salsries or 2/20.
Guessing 17 mill cap number this year that jumps to 35 next year.
Year 3 would probably contain some bounus that would trigger so that would be the time for Giants to cut or extend Jones as he would likely have cap numbers over 50
wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.
A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.
If it offends you, go play outside.
Can you go away for the rest of the day, and save the negativity until tomorrow, at least? You'll have the next 2-3 years to focus on rooting against our QB. Thanks!
I asked a question. I don’t root against anyone on the Giants.
Glowinski is now the whipping boy at $8m who can’t block. Just cause he got paid I can’t see him having a better year without better OL and WR play. Remember we played last year with like $60m dead money.
Schoen and Daboll just tied their NYG careers and maybe even more importantly their NFL careers to Daniel Jones for better or worse. That’s what they just told you. And don’t give me that this cake from Mara. If that was true the option would have been picked up last year.
Or is it like Geno’s that went from 35 to 25 once the details came out?
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I’ll be shocked if we’re ever legit SB contenders while he is here.
It’s become hard enough to win paying elite QBs elite QB money. The Giants are going to try to win while paying an average QB elite QB money.
Hope he proves me wrong.
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LOL, so are you saying that the WR’s aren’t a problem? No need to seriously upgrade the unit?
It’s not an excuse, it’s a fact; the unit is pretty bad. Maybe bumped up to mediocre on their best day.
Look around the league at cuts this week. It’s very hard to keep teams together paying even elite QBs big money. The supporting cast isn’t going to improve to elite without some serious draft luck. Jones now needs to be elite.
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@NYGDaily
Jones gets $82M guaranteed over the first two years, per
@TomPelissero
82 GTD over the first two years means there is no escape hatch after 2 years. That, or there is barely any cap relief vs the tag, which wouldn't make any sense
I'm not sure you're thinking of that correctly.
The guaranteed money getting paid out early is good. It makes it easier to escape the contract, or re-structure it. You want to get the big money out of the way now, so in year 3, if it's not working, you can move out without a time bomb of dead money.
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A $50 million cap hit next season,
No way, the first year of Jones' contract on the cap is WAY below $40 million. In fact it has to be way below the $32M tag number
Report said $82 million guaranteed the first two years.
That's the cash in Jones' pocket. It's not the cap.
His bonus will be amortized.
He wasn't since he's been drafted?
Or is it like Geno’s that went from 35 to 25 once the details came out?
No one knows yet.
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LOL, so are you saying that the WR’s aren’t a problem? No need to seriously upgrade the unit?
It’s not an excuse, it’s a fact; the unit is pretty bad. Maybe bumped up to mediocre on their best day.
Look around the league at cuts this week. It’s very hard to keep teams together paying even elite QBs big money. The supporting cast isn’t going to improve to elite without some serious draft luck. Jones now needs to be elite.
Dude you’re a ducking cronic complainer. If giants paid jones a bag of donuts you’d bitch and say not our Boston crème!
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Right?
Mind putting the rhetoric aside for just a few minutes? Let's celebrate the signing, thinking JS and BD made the right evaluation. You can go back on the attack later.
Everybody knows DJ has to live up to expectations. Duh.
and as if having clowns for coaches for 2-3 years and the worst combination of OL and WRs in the league, are just silly illegitimate excuses.
What's going to make the "excuses era over" isn't Jones getting paid. It's good coaching (which we finally have), better pass pro (got better towards end of '22) and some legit WRs (which Schoen will be adding through draft and maybe FA or trade).
A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.
If it offends you, go play outside.
Sigh.
Incentives have to be earned. So if he plays like it, yeah. If he doesn't, then he doesn't.
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Giants QB Daniel Jones will take home $82 million over the first two years of his four-year, $160 million deal, per source. So the base of the first two years of his deal bests the three-year base in Geno Smith's deal.
He resorted to name calling?
You don’t even know the details and how it was structured and you already know the cap hit?
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Now be really good, or this guy will get fucking destroyed.
He wasn't since he's been drafted?
Yes, but getting this 2nd contract adds to that.
If he turns into the QB version of Kenny Golladay his first 4 years would look like nothing
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wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.
A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.
If it offends you, go play outside.
Can you go away for the rest of the day, and save the negativity until tomorrow, at least? You'll have the next 2-3 years to focus on rooting against our QB. Thanks!
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/11lb3by/rapoport_its_going_to_be_a_4year_deal_worth_160m/
Because they don't know how it's structured or how much is guaranteed.
They see total price (including the incentives and go omgwtfbbq). It's about expectated from the 5 second memory generation.
You do realize those incentives are performance-based, right? Like, he has to play well enough to earn them.
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If so, the DJhaters’ heads are gonna explode.
Not gonna talk shit yet, but OH MY…..
Maybe wait to talk shit until he plays a few games as a $40 million QB, or you might end up eating it.
I did say “not yet”. Are you butt hurt???
I’d guess it’s $100 million with $60 million in signing bonus.
...Daboll and Schoen clearly believe DJ is a top NFL talent.
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wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.
A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.
If it offends you, go play outside.
Can you go away for the rest of the day, and save the negativity until tomorrow, at least? You'll have the next 2-3 years to focus on rooting against our QB. Thanks!
I asked a question. I don’t root against anyone on the Giants.
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@NYGDaily
Jones gets $82M guaranteed over the first two years, per
@TomPelissero
82 GTD over the first two years means there is no escape hatch after 2 years. That, or there is barely any cap relief vs the tag, which wouldn't make any sense
I'm not sure you're thinking of that correctly.
The guaranteed money getting paid out early is good. It makes it easier to escape the contract, or re-structure it. You want to get the big money out of the way now, so in year 3, if it's not working, you can move out without a time bomb of dead money.
I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but if he is getting 82 over the first 2 years, that means at least 82 needs to be spent on the cap in the next 3 years (if cut after 2). For the cap hit to get significantly under 32, more of that money is pushed back, so unless next year is a massive hit, there would be very significant dead cap in year 3 if cut. That doesn't account for if there is any non GTD money in year 2, which would add to the total
Next Gen Stats
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Daniel Jones displayed improvement under duress in 2022, completing +4.3% of his passes over expected when pressured (3rd in NFL).
Jones has been pressured on 37.5% of his dropbacks since entering the NFL in 2019, the only QB over 35%.
I don't see how they can afford printing paper after this
How about we just win the NFC East and go from there?
You guys and your stats...
I’d guess it’s $100 million with $60 million in signing bonus.
That's interesting. Curious to see how the cap hits on the guaranteed money looks for 2023 and 2024.
The $60M guaranteed overall looks really low.
Guess I'm confused and need to see more...
I’d guess it’s $100 million with $60 million in signing bonus.
It's probably signing bonus + years 1 and 2 are guaranteed. Probably 45 SB, 13m Year 1 and 24m Year 2 is my guess.
Next Gen Stats
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Daniel Jones displayed improvement under duress in 2022, completing +4.3% of his passes over expected when pressured (3rd in NFL).
Jones has been pressured on 37.5% of his dropbacks since entering the NFL in 2019, the only QB over 35%.
Wow. Better not let the “no more excuses” crowd see that stat.
That's not the full guarantee. That's only the amount of guaranteed dollars in Jones' pocket in 2023 and 2024.
seems like a pretty fair deal
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A $50 million cap hit next season,
No way, the first year of Jones' contract on the cap is WAY below $40 million. In fact it has to be way below the $32M tag number
Report said $82 million guaranteed the first two years.
That's the cash in Jones' pocket. It's not the cap.
His bonus will be amortized.
the 82 will be his Signing bounus olus 1st 2 years salary
probably 60m in signing bounus and then salsries or 2/20.
Guessing 17 mill cap number this year that jumps to 35 next year.
Year 3 would probably contain some bounus that would trigger so that would be the time for Giants to cut or extend Jones as he would likely have cap numbers over 50
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wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.
A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.
If it offends you, go play outside.
Can you go away for the rest of the day, and save the negativity until tomorrow, at least? You'll have the next 2-3 years to focus on rooting against our QB. Thanks!
I asked a question. I don’t root against anyone on the Giants.
Glowinski is now the whipping boy at $8m who can’t block. Just cause he got paid I can’t see him having a better year without better OL and WR play. Remember we played last year with like $60m dead money.