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DANIEL JONES: 4-year deal worth $160M, sources say

Anando : 3/7/2023 3:57 pm
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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It's going to be a 4-year deal worth $160M, sources say, with $35M more in upside. They are finalizing.
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Surprised that there are still knowledgeable Giants fans  
Chris684 : 3/7/2023 4:20 pm : link
who don’t see this past season as a positive stepping stone in the career of Daniel Jones and that with the continuity and expertise that Daboll now provides, and competent roster building that Schoen now provides, we will see continued growth from Jones at a somewhat rapid pace compared to the couple of season before Daboll got here.

Schoen and Daboll just tied their NYG careers and maybe even more importantly their NFL careers to Daniel Jones for better or worse. That’s what they just told you. And don’t give me that this cake from Mara. If that was true the option would have been picked up last year.
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ryanmkeane : 3/7/2023 4:20 pm : link
wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.
Lol so is his AAV really 40M  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/7/2023 4:21 pm : link

Or is it like Geno’s that went from 35 to 25 once the details came out?
RE: RE: Can’t believe they caved  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/7/2023 4:21 pm : link
In comment 16055397 Big Blue '56 said:
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I’ll be shocked if we’re ever legit SB contenders while he is here.

It’s become hard enough to win paying elite QBs elite QB money. The Giants are going to try to win while paying an average QB elite QB money.

Hope he proves me wrong.



Idiot


+1
RE: RE: RE: RE: The excuses era is over now  
ajr2456 : 3/7/2023 4:21 pm : link
In comment 16055402 speedywheels said:
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LOL, so are you saying that the WR’s aren’t a problem? No need to seriously upgrade the unit?

It’s not an excuse, it’s a fact; the unit is pretty bad. Maybe bumped up to mediocre on their best day.


Look around the league at cuts this week. It’s very hard to keep teams together paying even elite QBs big money. The supporting cast isn’t going to improve to elite without some serious draft luck. Jones now needs to be elite.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 3/7/2023 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16055344 Blue The Dog said:
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Giants Daily
@NYGDaily
Jones gets $82M guaranteed over the first two years, per
@TomPelissero



82 GTD over the first two years means there is no escape hatch after 2 years. That, or there is barely any cap relief vs the tag, which wouldn't make any sense


I'm not sure you're thinking of that correctly.

The guaranteed money getting paid out early is good. It makes it easier to escape the contract, or re-structure it. You want to get the big money out of the way now, so in year 3, if it's not working, you can move out without a time bomb of dead money.
RE: RE: RE: Between Jones and Barkley  
shyster : 3/7/2023 4:22 pm : link
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A $50 million cap hit next season,



No way, the first year of Jones' contract on the cap is WAY below $40 million. In fact it has to be way below the $32M tag number



Report said $82 million guaranteed the first two years.


That's the cash in Jones' pocket. It's not the cap.

His bonus will be amortized.
RE: He better  
Toth029 : 3/7/2023 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16055318 PaulN said:
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Now be really good, or this guy will get fucking destroyed.


He wasn't since he's been drafted?
RE: Lol so is his AAV really 40M  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/7/2023 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16055413 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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Or is it like Geno’s that went from 35 to 25 once the details came out?


No one knows yet.
4/195?  
UGADawgs7 : 3/7/2023 4:22 pm : link
4/160 with up to 35 in incentives… seriously? He’s a $50M QB?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The excuses era is over now  
BleedBlue : 3/7/2023 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16055416 ajr2456 said:
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LOL, so are you saying that the WR’s aren’t a problem? No need to seriously upgrade the unit?

It’s not an excuse, it’s a fact; the unit is pretty bad. Maybe bumped up to mediocre on their best day.



Look around the league at cuts this week. It’s very hard to keep teams together paying even elite QBs big money. The supporting cast isn’t going to improve to elite without some serious draft luck. Jones now needs to be elite.


Dude you’re a ducking cronic complainer. If giants paid jones a bag of donuts you’d bitch and say not our Boston crème!
RE: RE: The excuses era is over now  
Dr. D : 3/7/2023 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16055345 IchabodGiant said:
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Right?



Mind putting the rhetoric aside for just a few minutes? Let's celebrate the signing, thinking JS and BD made the right evaluation. You can go back on the attack later.

Everybody knows DJ has to live up to expectations. Duh.

and as if having clowns for coaches for 2-3 years and the worst combination of OL and WRs in the league, are just silly illegitimate excuses.

What's going to make the "excuses era over" isn't Jones getting paid. It's good coaching (which we finally have), better pass pro (got better towards end of '22) and some legit WRs (which Schoen will be adding through draft and maybe FA or trade).
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ajr2456 : 3/7/2023 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16055410 ryanmkeane said:
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wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.


A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.

If it offends you, go play outside.
RE: 4/195?  
IchabodGiant : 3/7/2023 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16055423 UGADawgs7 said:
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4/160 with up to 35 in incentives… seriously? He’s a $50M QB?


Sigh.
RE: 4/195?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/7/2023 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16055423 UGADawgs7 said:
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4/160 with up to 35 in incentives… seriously? He’s a $50M QB?


Incentives have to be earned. So if he plays like it, yeah. If he doesn't, then he doesn't.
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Anando : 3/7/2023 4:24 pm : link

Albert Breer
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Giants QB Daniel Jones will take home $82 million over the first two years of his four-year, $160 million deal, per source. So the base of the first two years of his deal bests the three-year base in Geno Smith's deal.
Giants in a....  
dreamer3kx : 3/7/2023 4:24 pm : link
no win situation, we sign the man, they overpaid, we dont sign him whos the alternative with fans, me personally I wouldve signed a vet and tag jones, just me.
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RicFlair : 3/7/2023 4:24 pm : link
In comment 16055410 ryanmkeane said:
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wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.



He resorted to name calling?
RE: Between Jones and Barkley  
Big Blue '56 : 3/7/2023 4:24 pm : link
In comment 16055370 jeff57 said:
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A $50 million cap hit next season,


You don’t even know the details and how it was structured and you already know the cap hit?
Now  
DanMetroMan : 3/7/2023 4:24 pm : link
get him some actual weapons (minority here but I hope they also find a way to retain Barkley beyond next season).
RE: RE: He better  
Scooter185 : 3/7/2023 4:24 pm : link
In comment 16055421 Toth029 said:
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Now be really good, or this guy will get fucking destroyed.



He wasn't since he's been drafted?


Yes, but getting this 2nd contract adds to that.

If he turns into the QB version of Kenny Golladay his first 4 years would look like nothing
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IchabodGiant : 3/7/2023 4:24 pm : link
In comment 16055427 ajr2456 said:
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wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.



A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.

If it offends you, go play outside.


Can you go away for the rest of the day, and save the negativity until tomorrow, at least? You'll have the next 2-3 years to focus on rooting against our QB. Thanks!
RE: Reaction  
Toth029 : 3/7/2023 4:24 pm : link
In comment 16055382 drake88 said:
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from most Giants and non Giants fans appears to be negative.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/11lb3by/rapoport_its_going_to_be_a_4year_deal_worth_160m/


Because they don't know how it's structured or how much is guaranteed.

They see total price (including the incentives and go omgwtfbbq). It's about expectated from the 5 second memory generation.
RE: Giants in a....  
dreamer3kx : 3/7/2023 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16055433 dreamer3kx said:
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no win situation, we sign the man, they overpaid, we dont sign him whos the alternative with fans, me personally I wouldve signed a vet and tag Barkley, just me.
RE: 4/195?  
BlackLight : 3/7/2023 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16055423 UGADawgs7 said:
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4/160 with up to 35 in incentives… seriously? He’s a $50M QB?


You do realize those incentives are performance-based, right? Like, he has to play well enough to earn them.
Well at least the question  
joeinpa : 3/7/2023 4:25 pm : link
Of what Schoen and Daboll think of Jones has been answered, we had that debate going for a long time here
RE: RE: So that’s 40 AAV plus upside of 35m?  
Punklicker : 3/7/2023 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16055375 rsjem1979 said:
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If so, the DJhaters’ heads are gonna explode.

Not gonna talk shit yet, but OH MY…..




Maybe wait to talk shit until he plays a few games as a $40 million QB, or you might end up eating it.


I did say “not yet”. Are you butt hurt???
I think the Danny Dimes nickname is dead  
cjac : 3/7/2023 4:25 pm : link
He's Danny Dollars now
AAV doesn't matter for roster building  
Dave on the UWS : 3/7/2023 4:25 pm : link
the cap hit does. We don't know that yet. If they structured this right, its a market contract, the incentives give him numbers to shoot for (which benefit the won loss record), and allow for roster building. Keep your pants on, for crying out loud!
I think the $82 million number is being looked at wrong  
ajr2456 : 3/7/2023 4:25 pm : link
I don’t think that’s the signing bonus I think it’s the first two years guaranteed.

I’d guess it’s $100 million with $60 million in signing bonus.
Seems like Schoen got taken to the cleaners  
Metnut : 3/7/2023 4:26 pm : link
if the self reports about the guarantees are true.
RE: The excuses era is over now  
Brown_Hornet : 3/7/2023 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16055304 ajr2456 said:
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Right?
yes you can stop making excuses for why Daniel Jones fans are wrong...
...Daboll and Schoen clearly believe DJ is a top NFL talent.
Wow, only 82 guaranteed?  
speedywheels : 3/7/2023 4:26 pm : link
That’s a really good deal for NYG
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/7/2023 4:26 pm : link
Can we just wait for more details before some freak out?
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ajr2456 : 3/7/2023 4:26 pm : link
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wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.



A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.

If it offends you, go play outside.



Can you go away for the rest of the day, and save the negativity until tomorrow, at least? You'll have the next 2-3 years to focus on rooting against our QB. Thanks!


I asked a question. I don’t root against anyone on the Giants.
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Blue The Dog : 3/7/2023 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16055417 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Giants Daily
@NYGDaily
Jones gets $82M guaranteed over the first two years, per
@TomPelissero



82 GTD over the first two years means there is no escape hatch after 2 years. That, or there is barely any cap relief vs the tag, which wouldn't make any sense



I'm not sure you're thinking of that correctly.

The guaranteed money getting paid out early is good. It makes it easier to escape the contract, or re-structure it. You want to get the big money out of the way now, so in year 3, if it's not working, you can move out without a time bomb of dead money.


I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but if he is getting 82 over the first 2 years, that means at least 82 needs to be spent on the cap in the next 3 years (if cut after 2). For the cap hit to get significantly under 32, more of that money is pushed back, so unless next year is a massive hit, there would be very significant dead cap in year 3 if cut. That doesn't account for if there is any non GTD money in year 2, which would add to the total
Waiting on the signing bonus  
Dave on the UWS : 3/7/2023 4:27 pm : link
and the deal structure. Those are the keys.
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DanMetroMan : 3/7/2023 4:28 pm : link

Next Gen Stats
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Daniel Jones displayed improvement under duress in 2022, completing +4.3% of his passes over expected when pressured (3rd in NFL).

Jones has been pressured on 37.5% of his dropbacks since entering the NFL in 2019, the only QB over 35%.
Big waste of manpower  
ghost718 : 3/7/2023 4:28 pm : link
by that Committee For Rational QB Evaluation

I don't see how they can afford printing paper after this
Cash over cap is a cash payment  
BeggarsBanquet : 3/7/2023 4:28 pm : link
It's the bonus up front. He gets the payment now, but for accounting purposes it's spread over the life of the deal.
RE: I'm fine  
djm : 3/7/2023 4:29 pm : link
In comment 16055312 drake88 said:
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with it but if we provide him with receiving talent he better be doubling his TD numbers.


How about we just win the NFC East and go from there?

You guys and your stats...
RE: I think the $82 million number is being looked at wrong  
bw in dc : 3/7/2023 4:29 pm : link
In comment 16055447 ajr2456 said:
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I don’t think that’s the signing bonus I think it’s the first two years guaranteed.

I’d guess it’s $100 million with $60 million in signing bonus.


That's interesting. Curious to see how the cap hits on the guaranteed money looks for 2023 and 2024.

The $60M guaranteed overall looks really low.

Guess I'm confused and need to see more...
RE: I think the $82 million number is being looked at wrong  
AcesUp : 3/7/2023 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16055447 ajr2456 said:
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I don’t think that’s the signing bonus I think it’s the first two years guaranteed.

I’d guess it’s $100 million with $60 million in signing bonus.


It's probably signing bonus + years 1 and 2 are guaranteed. Probably 45 SB, 13m Year 1 and 24m Year 2 is my guess.
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speedywheels : 3/7/2023 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16055459 DanMetroMan said:
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Next Gen Stats
@NextGenStats
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Daniel Jones displayed improvement under duress in 2022, completing +4.3% of his passes over expected when pressured (3rd in NFL).

Jones has been pressured on 37.5% of his dropbacks since entering the NFL in 2019, the only QB over 35%.


Wow. Better not let the “no more excuses” crowd see that stat.
Too many loopholes in NFL deals to speculate  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/7/2023 4:30 pm : link
But guaranteed money is really the heavyweight in these deals. Everything else you can play around with, and if they're paying out the bulk of the guarantees on the front end, this does give the giants more flexibility down the line. It's not an obvious 'out' like an option year, but it helps, doesn't hurt, IMO. Jones gets the security of guaranteed money now, the Giants have a QB under contract and they can re-evaluate the relationship in 2+ years.
RE: Wow, only 82 guaranteed?  
shyster : 3/7/2023 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16055451 speedywheels said:
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That’s a really good deal for NYG


That's not the full guarantee. That's only the amount of guaranteed dollars in Jones' pocket in 2023 and 2024.
82m is the full guarantee  
jintz4life : 3/7/2023 4:30 pm : link
none after the first two years

seems like a pretty fair deal
RE: RE: RE: RE: Between Jones and Barkley  
Dankbeerman : 3/7/2023 4:31 pm : link
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A $50 million cap hit next season,



No way, the first year of Jones' contract on the cap is WAY below $40 million. In fact it has to be way below the $32M tag number



Report said $82 million guaranteed the first two years.



That's the cash in Jones' pocket. It's not the cap.

His bonus will be amortized.


the 82 will be his Signing bounus olus 1st 2 years salary

probably 60m in signing bounus and then salsries or 2/20.

Guessing 17 mill cap number this year that jumps to 35 next year.

Year 3 would probably contain some bounus that would trigger so that would be the time for Giants to cut or extend Jones as he would likely have cap numbers over 50
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Carl in CT : 3/7/2023 4:32 pm : link
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wow call me shocked ajr acting like a child after the Jones contract news breaks. Give it up already dude.



A child for asking if the kids gloves are off Daniel Jones now? Jones now needs to prove if he’s elite, no “but he doesn’t have this” goalpost moving. I think that’s a fair statement.

If it offends you, go play outside.



Can you go away for the rest of the day, and save the negativity until tomorrow, at least? You'll have the next 2-3 years to focus on rooting against our QB. Thanks!



I asked a question. I don’t root against anyone on the Giants.


Glowinski is now the whipping boy at $8m who can’t block. Just cause he got paid I can’t see him having a better year without better OL and WR play. Remember we played last year with like $60m dead money.
I meant 100 guaranteed  
ajr2456 : 3/7/2023 4:32 pm : link
60 of it the bonus. You can use workout and roster bonuses to get to that 82 number
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