a lot of money for just one year of production, but I agree we need to see how the contract is structured. And as others have said, this is the QB market in the NFL today, especially with the cap expected to increase substantially in the next few years.
I think we will see his numbers improve in year 2 of Daboll/Kafka with Neal maturing and some weapons. Lets add some WRs, another TE, I think Jones can throw for 18 TDs next year.
I keed, I keed. I see him taking a serious step forward with some talent there! And this deal will look like a steal in 2 years when others are getting $60+.
The issues are judging him with a decent O-line, with decent weapons. Let's see if they can get that now. This is no longer a Gettleman pick, it's decisively a Schoen-Dabol pick - and I trust them.
Keep dying on that hill. They ended in the 2022 season but whatever works for you.
They did? Then why do we keep hearing about the WRs?
When Schoen drafts a WR in rd 1 or 2, are you going to say why? Are you seriously going to say that we don't need to upgrade our WRs? If so, you would be in a very small minority (of people who all have one thing in common).
If WR talent is so irrelevant why have multiple teams, including the Bills and eagles traded multiple picks including first rounders for #1 WRs?
If Josh Allen and Hurts could've done just as well without Diggs and AJ Brown, why would those well run orgs waste multiple picks for them?
But guaranteed money is really the heavyweight in these deals. Everything else you can play around with, and if they're paying out the bulk of the guarantees on the front end, this does give the giants more flexibility down the line. It's not an obvious 'out' like an option year, but it helps, doesn't hurt, IMO. Jones gets the security of guaranteed money now, the Giants have a QB under contract and they can re-evaluate the relationship in 2+ years.
but I'm glad DJ signed the deal and he's going to continue playing for our team. I'll let the money geeks chat about the amounts, but I suspect that JS is going to work around the money to try and get to the fun part of the FA season.
I'm also glad that Saquon Barkley was tagged, keeping Barkley is so important for the ground game of Big Blue.
Stand up for our QB!
GO BIG BLUE!
But some skeptical types I trust on Twitter are saying that the $82 million guaranteed is a good sign and allows the Giants an out after 2 years if it goes South...so I guess I'm ok. Interested to hear more.
Giants offensive weapons were near the bottom of the league. I'm not even a Daniel Jones apologist but to argue otherwise would be pretty ridiculous. I like Hodgins, Robinson missed nearly the entire season, Bellinger was pretty solid but even he was a 4th round TE who missed 5 games (and quite frankly, is he really a major "weapon" or a solid NFL TE?). Richie James and Darius Slayton led the team in receptions...
I've been on BBI long enough to know the debates over hog mollies and the trenches vs. the "shiny new toy" are an annual affair but the Giants receiving corps were remarkably "meh" in 2022. It would be hard for Shoen NOT to improve them this off-season.
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
Outside of Barkley which of the other Giants WR's would be starting on another "good" team? How is it "tired"? Their top 2 WR combined for less than 1,300 yards, their #3 WR in yards played in 8/17 games...
Have to see the full structure to see if the Giants can really practically get out with $82m paid.
They wont get out for free but a 60 mill SB leaves 30 mil in dead money vs 100 mill in salary. not an easy out but can still swallow the dead money and see a cap savings
Or the disaster Twitter will make it out to be. It's pretty easy to get a handle on how this thing is structured based on the details. They're essentially paying 11-12M premium on top of the cost of a double tag for the ability to spread out that hit to give them some roster building flexibility now and a couple of option years later on if Jones blossoms.
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
Well look at what the AJ Brown weapon did for Philly. Other teams have that number 1 difference-maker as well..I think our O improves exponentially in year two of Daboll, if we get that teue number 1 that opens EVERYTHING else
Would have preferred if they called the agents bluff
and tagged Jones. They were certainly able to leverage the Barkley situation a little to their advantage when looking at the Carr and Geno deals. I guess the Giants really wanted Saquan back though.
..but I am sure the Giants tried to be fair but also give themselves an out if DJ doesn't keep trending upwards.
To me, and I love DJ as a athlete/player/talent, he still needs to prove himself. I think that's obvious, you're always proving yourself but he's had one good year (not counting his rookie year).
Or the disaster Twitter will make it out to be. It's pretty easy to get a handle on how this thing is structured based on the details. They're essentially paying 11-12M premium on top of the cost of a double tag for the ability to spread out that hit to give them some roster building flexibility now and a couple of option years later on if Jones blossoms.
Yeah. They played it safe with the option year and he outperformed it.
If they trust his ability to get better, then this isn't a bad problem. Of course, they need to be correct.
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
hard disagree here. we saw the impact hodgins had in the 2nd half, so finding weapons that make a big impact is possible.
look at olave, wilson, christian watson, pickens, etc last year as rookies.
look at ajb, hollywood, etc and the other vets who changed teams last year.
we've talked through the slayton thing to death but he is a mediocre at best starter, who will get paid (or overpaid) like a mediocre at best starter, and upgrading him shouldn't be challenging. hodgins was an upgrade and he was waived twice/unclaimed by anyone else last year. not saying it's going to be easy to find another hodgins on waivers but they 4 top 100 picks and i'd be gobsmacked if 1 of them isn't a Wr.
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
The weapons thing was brought up in response to the "excuses" thing.
Considering Hodgins, who was unemployed in early Nov., and then became our best WR, I don't think it's a stretch to think that a 1st or 2nd round pick could make us quite a lot better.
And who knows what else Schoen might do either with a mid tier FA or trade. It's clear he wanted to make a move for a WR before the trade deadline, but the value was bad.
We'll also hopefully get Wan dale back, so I expect our weapons to be quite a lot better in '23. And as a result, I expect Jones to take another leap.
Giants offensive weapons were near the bottom of the league. I'm not even a Daniel Jones apologist but to argue otherwise would be pretty ridiculous. I like Hodgins, Robinson missed nearly the entire season, Bellinger was pretty solid but even he was a 4th round TE who missed 5 games (and quite frankly, is he really a major "weapon" or a solid NFL TE?). Richie James and Darius Slayton led the team in receptions...
I've been on BBI long enough to know the debates over hog mollies and the trenches vs. the "shiny new toy" are an annual affair but the Giants receiving corps were remarkably "meh" in 2022. It would be hard for Shoen NOT to improve them this off-season.
There really aren't improvements out there in FA for WR. Trade candidates have steep costs associated possibly in draft capital and precious cap space.
cathartic it was and now this 'offseason' I'm more at peace with whatever happens. I've been a Jones supporter. I love the person Barkley is. Both have flaws. If they hadn't signed I would have been slightly perturbed, but I guess I'm more happy with what we have in Daboll and Schoen, who, if they are as good as last years promise, will be around longer than both Jones and Barkley. $40 per looks like a lot right now. If Jones improves the way he did this season, it will seem like a bargain. If he sucks or gets injured(which I think is likely in the next 2 years) we only have 4 years or less of him to deal with. You could make a case that Barkley carried the team up to the bye, then physically broke down. I think he's an awesome talent and a great locker room guy/leader. Its a business. He has at most 3 good years left depending on how much a team uses him. They need more talent at WR, OL as well as DL, LB and CB. THATS what'll get us to the super bowl. Thats what will tell me if Schoen and Daboll are here long term....Today doesn't justify Gettlemans drafting of DJ, it tells me Daboll(and Schoen) like DJ enough to think they can succeed with him.
I think this is a good deal for the Giants because
Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.
A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.
As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
Need a tissue Nancy?
Nah I am good. I am not 15 years old anymore. I don't have an emotional investment in the Giants. Doesn't change the fact that this is a shit contract.
Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.
A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.
As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
Need a tissue Nancy?
Nah I am good. I am not 15 years old anymore. I don't have an emotional investment in the Giants. Doesn't change the fact that this is a shit contract.
Another stupid post. Really. None of us have an idea yet of the details and the structure, but you come on here and spout “shitty contract?”
Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.
A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.
As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
Need a tissue Nancy?
Nah I am good. I am not 15 years old anymore. I don't have an emotional investment in the Giants. Doesn't change the fact that this is a shit contract.
Says the 16 year old that hasn’t even seen the contract details just goes by AAV 🤡
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I’ll be shocked if we’re ever legit SB contenders while he is here.
It’s become hard enough to win paying elite QBs elite QB money. The Giants are going to try to win while paying an average QB elite QB money.
Hope he proves me wrong.
Idiot
Why do you always resort to personal shots when others have a different opinion than yourself?
My money’s on Schoen..:)
I keed, I keed. I see him taking a serious step forward with some talent there! And this deal will look like a steal in 2 years when others are getting $60+.
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Keep dying on that hill. They ended in the 2022 season but whatever works for you.
They did? Then why do we keep hearing about the WRs?
When Schoen drafts a WR in rd 1 or 2, are you going to say why? Are you seriously going to say that we don't need to upgrade our WRs? If so, you would be in a very small minority (of people who all have one thing in common).
If WR talent is so irrelevant why have multiple teams, including the Bills and eagles traded multiple picks including first rounders for #1 WRs?
If Josh Allen and Hurts could've done just as well without Diggs and AJ Brown, why would those well run orgs waste multiple picks for them?
You people make no sense.
Excellent analysis.
I'm also glad that Saquon Barkley was tagged, keeping Barkley is so important for the ground game of Big Blue.
Stand up for our QB!
GO BIG BLUE!
it seems according to some, his weapons were just fine last yr.
You're not alone.
Where was the excuse that he did not have enough money in his wallet?
I've been on BBI long enough to know the debates over hog mollies and the trenches vs. the "shiny new toy" are an annual affair but the Giants receiving corps were remarkably "meh" in 2022. It would be hard for Shoen NOT to improve them this off-season.
seems like a pretty fair deal
Have to see the full structure to see if the Giants can really practically get out with $82m paid.
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
Are you man enough to say it?
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
Outside of Barkley which of the other Giants WR's would be starting on another "good" team? How is it "tired"? Their top 2 WR combined for less than 1,300 yards, their #3 WR in yards played in 8/17 games...
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
DeAndre Hopkins
Addison/Njigba/Hyatt
Hodgins
James
Is a transformed WR room.
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none after the first two years
seems like a pretty fair deal
Have to see the full structure to see if the Giants can really practically get out with $82m paid.
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
Well look at what the AJ Brown weapon did for Philly. Other teams have that number 1 difference-maker as well..I think our O improves exponentially in year two of Daboll, if we get that teue number 1 that opens EVERYTHING else
Genuinely curious...
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The weapons argument is a little tired.
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
DeAndre Hopkins
Addison/Njigba/Hyatt
Hodgins
James
Is a transformed WR room.
I would give maybe our last pick in rd 3 for him maybe philly would get him for a 6th
To me, and I love DJ as a athlete/player/talent, he still needs to prove himself. I think that's obvious, you're always proving yourself but he's had one good year (not counting his rookie year).
The team and he have to keep getting better.
Yeah. They played it safe with the option year and he outperformed it.
If they trust his ability to get better, then this isn't a bad problem. Of course, they need to be correct.
Would you please stop? He was a good QB last year..Not great, not elite and certainly not mediocre..
A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.
As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
hard disagree here. we saw the impact hodgins had in the 2nd half, so finding weapons that make a big impact is possible.
look at olave, wilson, christian watson, pickens, etc last year as rookies.
look at ajb, hollywood, etc and the other vets who changed teams last year.
we've talked through the slayton thing to death but he is a mediocre at best starter, who will get paid (or overpaid) like a mediocre at best starter, and upgrading him shouldn't be challenging. hodgins was an upgrade and he was waived twice/unclaimed by anyone else last year. not saying it's going to be easy to find another hodgins on waivers but they 4 top 100 picks and i'd be gobsmacked if 1 of them isn't a Wr.
How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?
What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
The weapons thing was brought up in response to the "excuses" thing.
Considering Hodgins, who was unemployed in early Nov., and then became our best WR, I don't think it's a stretch to think that a 1st or 2nd round pick could make us quite a lot better.
And who knows what else Schoen might do either with a mid tier FA or trade. It's clear he wanted to make a move for a WR before the trade deadline, but the value was bad.
We'll also hopefully get Wan dale back, so I expect our weapons to be quite a lot better in '23. And as a result, I expect Jones to take another leap.
I've been on BBI long enough to know the debates over hog mollies and the trenches vs. the "shiny new toy" are an annual affair but the Giants receiving corps were remarkably "meh" in 2022. It would be hard for Shoen NOT to improve them this off-season.
There really aren't improvements out there in FA for WR. Trade candidates have steep costs associated possibly in draft capital and precious cap space.
Draft is way to go.
A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.
As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
Get fucking lost
A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.
As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
Need a tissue Nancy?
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Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.
A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.
As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
Get fucking lost
That said.
He had all the leverage, he had a floor of 32.4 m for 2023. Think how easy it was to play hardball for Jones.
This was really easy to see coming.
Now it’s time to add receiver talent.
Yep, that's the sort of thinking I like.
WR, WR, WR....oh wait.
TE's are nightmare matchups.
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Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.
A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.
As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
Need a tissue Nancy?
Nah I am good. I am not 15 years old anymore. I don't have an emotional investment in the Giants. Doesn't change the fact that this is a shit contract.
No real problem with that but a no. 1 WR would open so much up for DJ
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Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.
A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.
As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
Need a tissue Nancy?
Nah I am good. I am not 15 years old anymore. I don't have an emotional investment in the Giants. Doesn't change the fact that this is a shit contract.
Another stupid post. Really. None of us have an idea yet of the details and the structure, but you come on here and spout “shitty contract?”
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with it but if we provide him with receiving talent he better be doubling his TD numbers.
How about we just win the NFC East and go from there?
You guys and your stats...
LOL, we can't beat the Cowboys or Eagles. Baby steps.
Well done Football Giants.
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Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.
A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.
As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
Need a tissue Nancy?
Nah I am good. I am not 15 years old anymore. I don't have an emotional investment in the Giants. Doesn't change the fact that this is a shit contract.
Says the 16 year old that hasn’t even seen the contract details just goes by AAV 🤡