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DANIEL JONES: 4-year deal worth $160M, sources say

Anando : 3/7/2023 3:57 pm
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It's going to be a 4-year deal worth $160M, sources say, with $35M more in upside. They are finalizing.
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RE: RE: Can’t believe they caved  
MyNameIsMyName : 3/7/2023 4:32 pm : link
In comment 16055397 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 16055388 You'reMyBoyBlue!! said:


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I’ll be shocked if we’re ever legit SB contenders while he is here.

It’s become hard enough to win paying elite QBs elite QB money. The Giants are going to try to win while paying an average QB elite QB money.

Hope he proves me wrong.



Idiot


Why do you always resort to personal shots when others have a different opinion than yourself?
It's  
AcidTest : 3/7/2023 4:32 pm : link
a lot of money for just one year of production, but I agree we need to see how the contract is structured. And as others have said, this is the QB market in the NFL today, especially with the cap expected to increase substantially in the next few years.
RE: Waiting on the signing bonus  
Big Blue '56 : 3/7/2023 4:32 pm : link
In comment 16055457 Dave on the UWS said:
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and the deal structure. Those are the keys.


My money’s on Schoen..:)
Admittedly as a fan of Jones i think we'll be fine  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/7/2023 4:32 pm : link
I think we will see his numbers improve in year 2 of Daboll/Kafka with Neal maturing and some weapons. Lets add some WRs, another TE, I think Jones can throw for 18 TDs next year.

I keed, I keed. I see him taking a serious step forward with some talent there! And this deal will look like a steal in 2 years when others are getting $60+.
This contract will be mid-grade next year.  
Coopcomic : 3/7/2023 4:32 pm : link
The issues are judging him with a decent O-line, with decent weapons. Let's see if they can get that now. This is no longer a Gettleman pick, it's decisively a Schoen-Dabol pick - and I trust them.
RE: RE: RE: The excuses era is over now  
Dr. D : 3/7/2023 4:32 pm : link
In comment 16055352 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16055347 djm said:


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In comment 16055304 ajr2456 said:


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Right?



Keep dying on that hill. They ended in the 2022 season but whatever works for you.



They did? Then why do we keep hearing about the WRs?

When Schoen drafts a WR in rd 1 or 2, are you going to say why? Are you seriously going to say that we don't need to upgrade our WRs? If so, you would be in a very small minority (of people who all have one thing in common).

If WR talent is so irrelevant why have multiple teams, including the Bills and eagles traded multiple picks including first rounders for #1 WRs?

If Josh Allen and Hurts could've done just as well without Diggs and AJ Brown, why would those well run orgs waste multiple picks for them?

You people make no sense.
Carr essentially got 38.5 in signing bonus  
AcesUp : 3/7/2023 4:33 pm : link
10 of it is delayed and vested after his first year too. Jones isn't coming in nearly 2x that. 45 SB is my guess.
RE: Too many loopholes in NFL deals to speculate  
AcidTest : 3/7/2023 4:33 pm : link
In comment 16055469 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But guaranteed money is really the heavyweight in these deals. Everything else you can play around with, and if they're paying out the bulk of the guarantees on the front end, this does give the giants more flexibility down the line. It's not an obvious 'out' like an option year, but it helps, doesn't hurt, IMO. Jones gets the security of guaranteed money now, the Giants have a QB under contract and they can re-evaluate the relationship in 2+ years.


Excellent analysis.
Dunno about everyone else here....  
Fishmanjim57 : 3/7/2023 4:34 pm : link
but I'm glad DJ signed the deal and he's going to continue playing for our team. I'll let the money geeks chat about the amounts, but I suspect that JS is going to work around the money to try and get to the fun part of the FA season.
I'm also glad that Saquon Barkley was tagged, keeping Barkley is so important for the ground game of Big Blue.
Stand up for our QB!
GO BIG BLUE!
RE: Now  
Dr. D : 3/7/2023 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16055436 DanMetroMan said:
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get him some actual weapons (minority here but I hope they also find a way to retain Barkley beyond next season).

it seems according to some, his weapons were just fine last yr.
RE: Now  
djm : 3/7/2023 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16055436 DanMetroMan said:
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get him some actual weapons (minority here but I hope they also find a way to retain Barkley beyond next season).


You're not alone.
Was going to flip my lid about $40 mil aav  
Lambuth_Special : 3/7/2023 4:37 pm : link
But some skeptical types I trust on Twitter are saying that the $82 million guaranteed is a good sign and allows the Giants an out after 2 years if it goes South...so I guess I'm ok. Interested to hear more.
RE: The excuses era is over now  
DefenseWins : 3/7/2023 4:40 pm : link
In comment 16055304 ajr2456 said:
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Right?


Where was the excuse that he did not have enough money in his wallet?
The  
DanMetroMan : 3/7/2023 4:41 pm : link
Giants offensive weapons were near the bottom of the league. I'm not even a Daniel Jones apologist but to argue otherwise would be pretty ridiculous. I like Hodgins, Robinson missed nearly the entire season, Bellinger was pretty solid but even he was a 4th round TE who missed 5 games (and quite frankly, is he really a major "weapon" or a solid NFL TE?). Richie James and Darius Slayton led the team in receptions...

I've been on BBI long enough to know the debates over hog mollies and the trenches vs. the "shiny new toy" are an annual affair but the Giants receiving corps were remarkably "meh" in 2022. It would be hard for Shoen NOT to improve them this off-season.
RE: 82m is the full guarantee  
shyster : 3/7/2023 4:41 pm : link
In comment 16055472 jintz4life said:
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none after the first two years

seems like a pretty fair deal


Have to see the full structure to see if the Giants can really practically get out with $82m paid.

 
christian : 3/7/2023 4:44 pm : link
The weapons argument is a little tired.

How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?

What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
if you are a happy Giants fan today  
Shirk130 : 3/7/2023 4:46 pm : link
then it's probably time to get off Gettlemans back.
meh...whatever  
Greg from LI : 3/7/2023 4:46 pm : link
At least it seems like they're only tied to him for a couple of years, so they can cut bait if he continues to be mediocre.
RE: …  
Thegratefulhead : 3/7/2023 4:46 pm : link
In comment 16055514 christian said:
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The weapons argument is a little tired.

How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?

What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?
Why did Jones get paid Christian?

Are you man enough to say it?
RE: …  
DanMetroMan : 3/7/2023 4:47 pm : link
In comment 16055514 christian said:
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The weapons argument is a little tired.

How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?

What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?


Outside of Barkley which of the other Giants WR's would be starting on another "good" team? How is it "tired"? Their top 2 WR combined for less than 1,300 yards, their #3 WR in yards played in 8/17 games...
RE: …  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/7/2023 4:48 pm : link
In comment 16055514 christian said:
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The weapons argument is a little tired.

How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?

What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?


DeAndre Hopkins
Addison/Njigba/Hyatt
Hodgins
James

Is a transformed WR room.
RE: RE: 82m is the full guarantee  
Dankbeerman : 3/7/2023 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16055510 shyster said:
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In comment 16055472 jintz4life said:


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none after the first two years

seems like a pretty fair deal



Have to see the full structure to see if the Giants can really practically get out with $82m paid.
They wont get out for free but a 60 mill SB leaves 30 mil in dead money vs 100 mill in salary. not an easy out but can still swallow the dead money and see a cap savings
This isn't a win for the Giants  
AcesUp : 3/7/2023 4:52 pm : link
Or the disaster Twitter will make it out to be. It's pretty easy to get a handle on how this thing is structured based on the details. They're essentially paying 11-12M premium on top of the cost of a double tag for the ability to spread out that hit to give them some roster building flexibility now and a couple of option years later on if Jones blossoms.
RE: …  
Big Blue '56 : 3/7/2023 4:52 pm : link
In comment 16055514 christian said:
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The weapons argument is a little tired.

How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?

What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?


Well look at what the AJ Brown weapon did for Philly. Other teams have that number 1 difference-maker as well..I think our O improves exponentially in year two of Daboll, if we get that teue number 1 that opens EVERYTHING else
Would have preferred if they called the agents bluff  
AcesUp : 3/7/2023 4:54 pm : link
and tagged Jones. They were certainly able to leverage the Barkley situation a little to their advantage when looking at the Carr and Geno deals. I guess the Giants really wanted Saquan back though.
Honest question  
TyreeHelmet : 3/7/2023 4:54 pm : link
To the fans upset about this, what exactly did you want the Giants to do? Let him walk for nothing? Draft a QB?

Genuinely curious...
RE: RE: …  
Payasdaddy : 3/7/2023 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16055529 CornerStone246+17 said:
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In comment 16055514 christian said:


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The weapons argument is a little tired.

How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?

What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?



DeAndre Hopkins
Addison/Njigba/Hyatt
Hodgins
James

Is a transformed WR room.

I would give maybe our last pick in rd 3 for him maybe philly would get him for a 6th
devil is in the details...  
BillKo : 3/7/2023 4:54 pm : link
..but I am sure the Giants tried to be fair but also give themselves an out if DJ doesn't keep trending upwards.

To me, and I love DJ as a athlete/player/talent, he still needs to prove himself. I think that's obvious, you're always proving yourself but he's had one good year (not counting his rookie year).

The team and he have to keep getting better.
RE: This isn't a win for the Giants  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/7/2023 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16055547 AcesUp said:
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Or the disaster Twitter will make it out to be. It's pretty easy to get a handle on how this thing is structured based on the details. They're essentially paying 11-12M premium on top of the cost of a double tag for the ability to spread out that hit to give them some roster building flexibility now and a couple of option years later on if Jones blossoms.


Yeah. They played it safe with the option year and he outperformed it.

If they trust his ability to get better, then this isn't a bad problem. Of course, they need to be correct.
RE: meh...whatever  
Big Blue '56 : 3/7/2023 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16055522 Greg from LI said:
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At least it seems like they're only tied to him for a couple of years, so they can cut bait if he continues to be mediocre.


Would you please stop? He was a good QB last year..Not great, not elite and certainly not mediocre..
Yikes.  
NYG07 : 3/7/2023 4:55 pm : link
Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.

A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.

As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.
RE: …  
Eric on Li : 3/7/2023 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16055514 christian said:
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The weapons argument is a little tired.

How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?

What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?


hard disagree here. we saw the impact hodgins had in the 2nd half, so finding weapons that make a big impact is possible.

look at olave, wilson, christian watson, pickens, etc last year as rookies.

look at ajb, hollywood, etc and the other vets who changed teams last year.

we've talked through the slayton thing to death but he is a mediocre at best starter, who will get paid (or overpaid) like a mediocre at best starter, and upgrading him shouldn't be challenging. hodgins was an upgrade and he was waived twice/unclaimed by anyone else last year. not saying it's going to be easy to find another hodgins on waivers but they 4 top 100 picks and i'd be gobsmacked if 1 of them isn't a Wr.
RE: …  
Dr. D : 3/7/2023 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16055514 christian said:
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The weapons argument is a little tired.

How much better do you expect the weapons to be in 2023?

What if the Giants can only roughly replace all of the weapons that are free agents?

The weapons thing was brought up in response to the "excuses" thing.

Considering Hodgins, who was unemployed in early Nov., and then became our best WR, I don't think it's a stretch to think that a 1st or 2nd round pick could make us quite a lot better.

And who knows what else Schoen might do either with a mid tier FA or trade. It's clear he wanted to make a move for a WR before the trade deadline, but the value was bad.

We'll also hopefully get Wan dale back, so I expect our weapons to be quite a lot better in '23. And as a result, I expect Jones to take another leap.
.......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 3/7/2023 4:57 pm : link
Sticker shock - but lets wait on hearing the structure.
whew  
bluefin : 3/7/2023 4:57 pm : link
good news - now bolster the o-line
RE: The  
Sammo85 : 3/7/2023 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16055506 DanMetroMan said:
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Giants offensive weapons were near the bottom of the league. I'm not even a Daniel Jones apologist but to argue otherwise would be pretty ridiculous. I like Hodgins, Robinson missed nearly the entire season, Bellinger was pretty solid but even he was a 4th round TE who missed 5 games (and quite frankly, is he really a major "weapon" or a solid NFL TE?). Richie James and Darius Slayton led the team in receptions...

I've been on BBI long enough to know the debates over hog mollies and the trenches vs. the "shiny new toy" are an annual affair but the Giants receiving corps were remarkably "meh" in 2022. It would be hard for Shoen NOT to improve them this off-season.


There really aren't improvements out there in FA for WR. Trade candidates have steep costs associated possibly in draft capital and precious cap space.

Draft is way to go.
RE: Yikes.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/7/2023 4:58 pm : link
In comment 16055565 NYG07 said:
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Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.

A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.

As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.


Get fucking lost
A possible option if no WR  
Sammo85 : 3/7/2023 4:58 pm : link
is maybe Giants look at Dalton Schultz from Cowboys for TE? Him and Bellinger would make a good TE duo.
RE: Yikes.  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/7/2023 5:00 pm : link
In comment 16055565 NYG07 said:
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Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.

A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.

As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.


Need a tissue Nancy?
RE: RE: Yikes.  
Thegratefulhead : 3/7/2023 5:01 pm : link
In comment 16055576 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 16055565 NYG07 said:


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Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.

A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.

As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.



Get fucking lost
It wasn't a great deal for the Giants. 5 years would have been better. I wanted Jones signed. I am HAPPY.

That said.

He had all the leverage, he had a floor of 32.4 m for 2023. Think how easy it was to play hardball for Jones.

This was really easy to see coming.
Funny, but I think the best thing about this past season was how  
Dinger : 3/7/2023 5:02 pm : link
cathartic it was and now this 'offseason' I'm more at peace with whatever happens. I've been a Jones supporter. I love the person Barkley is. Both have flaws. If they hadn't signed I would have been slightly perturbed, but I guess I'm more happy with what we have in Daboll and Schoen, who, if they are as good as last years promise, will be around longer than both Jones and Barkley. $40 per looks like a lot right now. If Jones improves the way he did this season, it will seem like a bargain. If he sucks or gets injured(which I think is likely in the next 2 years) we only have 4 years or less of him to deal with. You could make a case that Barkley carried the team up to the bye, then physically broke down. I think he's an awesome talent and a great locker room guy/leader. Its a business. He has at most 3 good years left depending on how much a team uses him. They need more talent at WR, OL as well as DL, LB and CB. THATS what'll get us to the super bowl. Thats what will tell me if Schoen and Daboll are here long term....Today doesn't justify Gettlemans drafting of DJ, it tells me Daboll(and Schoen) like DJ enough to think they can succeed with him.
I think this is a good deal for the Giants because  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/7/2023 5:02 pm : link
they can get out of it in 2 years. That’s all that was important IMO.

Now it’s time to add receiver talent.
RE: A possible option if no WR  
BillKo : 3/7/2023 5:02 pm : link
In comment 16055579 Sammo85 said:
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is maybe Giants look at Dalton Schultz from Cowboys for TE? Him and Bellinger would make a good TE duo.


Yep, that's the sort of thinking I like.

WR, WR, WR....oh wait.

TE's are nightmare matchups.
RE: RE: Yikes.  
NYG07 : 3/7/2023 5:03 pm : link
In comment 16055582 No1MDGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16055565 NYG07 said:


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Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.

A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.

As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.



Need a tissue Nancy?


Nah I am good. I am not 15 years old anymore. I don't have an emotional investment in the Giants. Doesn't change the fact that this is a shit contract.
RE: A possible option if no WR  
Big Blue '56 : 3/7/2023 5:04 pm : link
In comment 16055579 Sammo85 said:
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is maybe Giants look at Dalton Schultz from Cowboys for TE? Him and Bellinger would make a good TE duo.


No real problem with that but a no. 1 WR would open so much up for DJ
First year cap hit  
leatherneck570 : 3/7/2023 5:04 pm : link
Around $19m per Jeremy Fowler.
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RE: RE: RE: Yikes.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/7/2023 5:05 pm : link
In comment 16055600 NYG07 said:
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In comment 16055565 NYG07 said:


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Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.

A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.

As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.



Need a tissue Nancy?



Nah I am good. I am not 15 years old anymore. I don't have an emotional investment in the Giants. Doesn't change the fact that this is a shit contract.


Another stupid post. Really. None of us have an idea yet of the details and the structure, but you come on here and spout “shitty contract?”
RE: RE: I'm fine  
islander1 : 3/7/2023 5:06 pm : link
In comment 16055465 djm said:
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with it but if we provide him with receiving talent he better be doubling his TD numbers.



How about we just win the NFC East and go from there?

You guys and your stats...


LOL, we can't beat the Cowboys or Eagles. Baby steps.
RE: First year cap hit  
BillKo : 3/7/2023 5:06 pm : link
In comment 16055604 leatherneck570 said:
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Around $19m per Jeremy Fowler. Link - ( New Window )


Well done Football Giants.
RE: RE: RE: Yikes.  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/7/2023 5:06 pm : link
In comment 16055600 NYG07 said:
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In comment 16055565 NYG07 said:


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Terrible deal for the Giants. DJ better get significantly better.

A guy who had fewer than half the total TDs as the best QB in the league is clearly worth only $5M less per year.

As one poster was rooting for, Joe Schoen, Daniel Jones put his dick firmly in your ass.



Need a tissue Nancy?



Nah I am good. I am not 15 years old anymore. I don't have an emotional investment in the Giants. Doesn't change the fact that this is a shit contract.


Says the 16 year old that hasn’t even seen the contract details just goes by AAV 🤡
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