If DJ had a great year playing on the tag next year he’d be asking for and getting 50 mil/yr.
If Saquan has a great year he’s still a 27 year old running back, he won’t be commanding much more than 12 mil/yr.
It’s just smart to either have him play on the tag or work out a deal in the 11 mil/ yr range.
that structure will be difficult. He needs performance bounes to get the total dollars up. also need abdorb as much capnhit in 1st few years as his vaule in 3 years will be much lower then today.
This could take a long time but having 10 cap hit in place alows us to work in FA.
Next pair to vist the principles office will be LW and DL and they can divide up their portion of the cap.
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Wouldn't be surprised to see a long-term deal for Saquon Barkley follow relatively soon. Before the start of free agency.
He and Jones are a big part of Giants identity, along with being their best players. Something to be said about keeping players like that
for the Giants to increase their original offer. The tag is a very reasonanle
Number. If he doesnt like it too bad
their reported 12.5m aav offer is going to look better as time goes on and no rbs in FA get close to that. jacobs and pollard are tagged, if barkley gets to FA with tag attached i cant imagine he'll get a lot of calls given the cost of 2 frps. i dont think barkley is going to want to play out a full year on tag just to maximize an extra few million over 3 years (more than half of which will just go to tax/agent fees anyway).
for four years so we had to pay a ton to extend it...lol....
I can only guess Daboll thinks DJ will improve. But excuse me for not celebrating . This offense was not good last year and I don't see it getting any better returning the same cast .
You don’t get it. Jones and Barkley were good. They are part of the solution to improve the offense not the reason for it s deficiencies
You guys don’t like to hear that, you call it excuse making. But that s probably because you don’t have a legit argument to counter the fact that Jones and Barkley were pretty good
hold fast at or near the $12.5 AAV. He may sweeten it a bit, maybe guarantee two years ($25 mill). But I agree that RBs self life is limited and they need to be smart. Also, get him a good backup in the draft to eat some plays.
Ok so what is the asking price for a trade (if offered)?
Fucking greedy bastard.... could say the same about Jones and yes I know I get the contrarian view that they earned it...and that the Agent's are protecting their interests...It just pisses me off ..If they have half a brain they are set for life....and they have to milk the franchise.... this is a vent
Such a narrow-minded pov. These athletes are going to maximize their income like any other skilled hot-blooded American would. If a team cuts a player for money reasons, it’s a business move. If a player and his agents try to get the most they can for a long term contract then they’re greedy bastards? Such BS, man! The money is there. They can’t settle for too much less then their value based on market and if they are better than average they’ll ask for better than average money.
This is how it works for athletes, musicians, doctors, lawyers, technicians, illustrators, painters, architects, writers, accountants….even Vegas hookers are gonna charge more than Detroit hookers. It’s business.
Well according to Pat Kirwan the tag # goes up to 14 mill
A good, but not great football player. Kind of the bottom line here.
He doesn't necessarily "lose out." The market will decide his value, unencumbered by the tag. He loses out in the sense that he's a lower priority for the Giants than Jones or Barkley, but in purely financial terms the only player harmed by the tagging of Barkley, for now, is Barkley.
So I guess this leaves four basic scenarios going into the Draft:
1) Barkley signs the tag;
2) Barkley signs a multi-year deal;
3) Barkley balks at signing but remains tagged, with the implicit or explicit threat of a Le'Veon Bell situation.
4) Barkley refuses the tag and the Giants rescind it to liberate cap space for other moves.
(It's also possible he could sign an offer with another team willing to part with two #1 picks, just as it's possible Anakim could hook up with Margot Robbie tonight.)
Scenario #1 is a reasonable base case for discussion, but I think it's less likely than #2 or #3. #4 only comes into play if cap space becomes tight over the next month or so. Scenario 5 is not currently in the mix. (Sorry Anakim.)
RE: So I guess this leaves four basic scenarios going into the Draft:
1) Barkley signs the tag;
2) Barkley signs a multi-year deal;
3) Barkley balks at signing but remains tagged, with the implicit or explicit threat of a Le'Veon Bell situation.
4) Barkley refuses the tag and the Giants rescind it to liberate cap space for other moves.
(It's also possible he could sign an offer with another team willing to part with two #1 picks, just as it's possible Anakim could hook up with Margot Robbie tonight.)
Scenario #1 is a reasonable base case for discussion, but I think it's less likely than #2 or #3. #4 only comes into play if cap space becomes tight over the next month or so. Scenario 5 is not currently in the mix. (Sorry Anakim.)
The Giants and Barkley will get a contract settled. The priority was Jones. Once Jones #s were settled they can focus on Barkley knowing how much money they have to work with. Clearly Barkley is getting at worst the $12.5 AAV originally offered. I think both sides will see what happens with Pollard and isn't there another RB that got Tagged.
Also, this sets up negotiations with other players approaching extensions - Dex, AT, X....
I think it is wise to remember Schoen said he would take care of his own 1st and would not be big in FA.
Hope he doesn't pull a Leveon Bell and shows up. Draft his replacement, and if an opportunity knocks trade him in season for the best you can get.
I don't think Barkley is that type of guy....also, what did it do for Bell in the long run? RB's have a short shelf life.....they can NOT afford to "mail it in" nor do they have the clout any longer to do so......
RE: RE: Hope you all realize that this likely means Odell
If Saquan has a great year he’s still a 27 year old running back, he won’t be commanding much more than 12 mil/yr.
It’s just smart to either have him play on the tag or work out a deal in the 11 mil/ yr range.
This could take a long time but having 10 cap hit in place alows us to work in FA.
Next pair to vist the principles office will be LW and DL and they can divide up their portion of the cap.
Number. If he doesnt like it too bad
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Wouldn't be surprised to see a long-term deal for Saquon Barkley follow relatively soon. Before the start of free agency.
He and Jones are a big part of Giants identity, along with being their best players. Something to be said about keeping players like that
Number. If he doesnt like it too bad
their reported 12.5m aav offer is going to look better as time goes on and no rbs in FA get close to that. jacobs and pollard are tagged, if barkley gets to FA with tag attached i cant imagine he'll get a lot of calls given the cost of 2 frps. i dont think barkley is going to want to play out a full year on tag just to maximize an extra few million over 3 years (more than half of which will just go to tax/agent fees anyway).
I can only guess Daboll thinks DJ will improve. But excuse me for not celebrating . This offense was not good last year and I don't see it getting any better returning the same cast .
You don’t get it. Jones and Barkley were good. They are part of the solution to improve the offense not the reason for it s deficiencies
You guys don’t like to hear that, you call it excuse making. But that s probably because you don’t have a legit argument to counter the fact that Jones and Barkley were pretty good
I would not be actively shopping but calls will come in.
Such a narrow-minded pov. These athletes are going to maximize their income like any other skilled hot-blooded American would. If a team cuts a player for money reasons, it’s a business move. If a player and his agents try to get the most they can for a long term contract then they’re greedy bastards? Such BS, man! The money is there. They can’t settle for too much less then their value based on market and if they are better than average they’ll ask for better than average money.
This is how it works for athletes, musicians, doctors, lawyers, technicians, illustrators, painters, architects, writers, accountants….even Vegas hookers are gonna charge more than Detroit hookers. It’s business.
Barkley & Jones.
:)
He doesn't necessarily "lose out." The market will decide his value, unencumbered by the tag. He loses out in the sense that he's a lower priority for the Giants than Jones or Barkley, but in purely financial terms the only player harmed by the tagging of Barkley, for now, is Barkley.
2) Barkley signs a multi-year deal;
3) Barkley balks at signing but remains tagged, with the implicit or explicit threat of a Le'Veon Bell situation.
4) Barkley refuses the tag and the Giants rescind it to liberate cap space for other moves.
(It's also possible he could sign an offer with another team willing to part with two #1 picks, just as it's possible Anakim could hook up with Margot Robbie tonight.)
Scenario #1 is a reasonable base case for discussion, but I think it's less likely than #2 or #3. #4 only comes into play if cap space becomes tight over the next month or so. Scenario 5 is not currently in the mix. (Sorry Anakim.)
2) Barkley signs a multi-year deal;
3) Barkley balks at signing but remains tagged, with the implicit or explicit threat of a Le'Veon Bell situation.
4) Barkley refuses the tag and the Giants rescind it to liberate cap space for other moves.
(It's also possible he could sign an offer with another team willing to part with two #1 picks, just as it's possible Anakim could hook up with Margot Robbie tonight.)
Scenario #1 is a reasonable base case for discussion, but I think it's less likely than #2 or #3. #4 only comes into play if cap space becomes tight over the next month or so. Scenario 5 is not currently in the mix. (Sorry Anakim.)
The Giants and Barkley will get a contract settled. The priority was Jones. Once Jones #s were settled they can focus on Barkley knowing how much money they have to work with. Clearly Barkley is getting at worst the $12.5 AAV originally offered. I think both sides will see what happens with Pollard and isn't there another RB that got Tagged.
Also, this sets up negotiations with other players approaching extensions - Dex, AT, X....
I think it is wise to remember Schoen said he would take care of his own 1st and would not be big in FA.
I do think they will limit Barkley's touches and will bringing a hard nosed RB to do the majority of the dirty work.
I was lazy and thought it was Jacobs...
Hope he doesn't pull a Leveon Bell and shows up. Draft his replacement, and if an opportunity knocks trade him in season for the best you can get.
I don't think Barkley is that type of guy....also, what did it do for Bell in the long run? RB's have a short shelf life.....they can NOT afford to "mail it in" nor do they have the clout any longer to do so......
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has a ton of reason to come to us.
Hope not. Just my take, but aside from his age/injury history, he's also not the same guy/character who was here before. Airplane video did it for me.
Same