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So if you're Carolina...who you taking at 1?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/10/2023 6:33 pm
I gotta imagine it'll be either Young or Stroud with Levis being a dark horse contender to go 1.

I like Young a lot, his size concerns aside. I would still take him over Stroud.
its probably Young  
fish3321 : 3/10/2023 6:34 pm : link
whoever it is, they are clearly convinced he is their guy
I’d try and flip it to Indy  
Ben in Tampa : 3/10/2023 6:35 pm : link
For more picks than I gave away
Early rumors  
Sammo85 : 3/10/2023 6:36 pm : link
Is it’s Stroud.
Not even close...  
bw in dc : 3/10/2023 6:36 pm : link
Stroud.
Stroud  
jeff57 : 3/10/2023 6:36 pm : link
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I would consider Stroud  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/10/2023 6:37 pm : link
and maybe Levis as a dark horse candidate, which I think is a distinct possibility.
RE: I would consider Stroud  
bw in dc : 3/10/2023 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16059773 Spiciest Memelord said:
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and maybe Levis as a dark horse candidate, which I think is a distinct possibility.


I have a feeling Levis is going to drop further down than expected...
If its Stroud  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/10/2023 6:42 pm : link
Reich will be done as a HC in three years. If its Young good chance he is in a NFCCG. That's the difference between the two QB's imv.
Bryce Young  
Metnut : 3/10/2023 6:43 pm : link
Kid is going to be a more mobile Drew Brees. A superstar.
RE: RE: I would consider Stroud  
Sammo85 : 3/10/2023 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16059775 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16059773 Spiciest Memelord said:


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and maybe Levis as a dark horse candidate, which I think is a distinct possibility.



I have a feeling Levis is going to drop further down than expected...


Will be interesting to watch. Rumors are Young will still go to Texans. 3 and 4 are the spots to see. Does Arizona trade out? Do Colts go Levis?
Young  
Eric on Li : 3/10/2023 6:43 pm : link
he is the best player. the only knocks on him are one that hasn't seemed to make much difference (just 1 pass batted down last year) and another that is an unknown with every player (durability).
Having watched him pick apart  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 3/10/2023 6:44 pm : link
My Dawgs for 3.5 quarters with precision passing I would say Stroud. Young is great too but not as big.
OSU alumni, watch every OSU game for the past 2 years  
crackerjack465 : 3/10/2023 6:50 pm : link
I would take Young.

Stroud isn't as good as a prosect as Fields was.
RE: RE: I would consider Stroud  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/10/2023 6:50 pm : link
In comment 16059775 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16059773 Spiciest Memelord said:


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and maybe Levis as a dark horse candidate, which I think is a distinct possibility.



I have a feeling Levis is going to drop further down than expected...


I'm thinking he gets drafted higher than expected. In the combines he measured a full 6'4" (kind of an important, maybe arbitrary thing for me a QB or TE is 6'4"+ rather than 6'3").

More than full NFL body at 229 lbs.

10.6 in hands.

10+ ft broad jump.
RE: OSU alumni, watch every OSU game for the past 2 years  
jeff57 : 3/10/2023 6:53 pm : link
In comment 16059787 crackerjack465 said:
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I would take Young.



Stroud isn't as good as a prosect as Fields was.


Stroud is a better passer, IMO.
Levi's as a dark horse?  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/10/2023 6:54 pm : link
That's hilarious. Soooo overrated.
RE: Not even close...  
joeinpa : 3/10/2023 6:54 pm : link
In comment 16059771 bw in dc said:
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Stroud.


I agree
IMO Stroud is easily the top QB  
PatersonPlank : 3/10/2023 7:03 pm : link
He's got everything you would look for.

Bryce is really small, Levis was really not that good (erratic at best), Richardson is very very green.

Frankly I'd rather draft Hooker or McKee in the later rounds than some of the ones mentioned above (I really like McKee as a sleeper).
Frank Reich knows QBs … he’ll get it right.  
Spider56 : 3/10/2023 7:10 pm : link
Good question though… is it Young or Stroud?
Stroud  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/10/2023 7:16 pm : link
I usually frown on the Buckeye QBs but I think Stroud has the goods.
If you make a trade like this  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/10/2023 7:19 pm : link
You have to swing for the fences and get a prospect with a huge ceiling. I’d take Anthony Richardson and not look back. I’d sign a veteran QB to hold down the fort, someone like Andy Dalton, and give the keys to car to Richardson for next season.


Richardson is super raw, but his ceiling is through the roof. Just a physical specimen with elite arm talent.

RE: If you make a trade like this  
uther99 : 3/10/2023 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16059816 JoeyBigBlue said:
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You have to swing for the fences and get a prospect with a huge ceiling. I’d take Anthony Richardson and not look back. I’d sign a veteran QB to hold down the fort, someone like Andy Dalton, and give the keys to car to Richardson for next season.


Richardson is super raw, but his ceiling is through the roof. Just a physical specimen with elite arm talent.


They could have picked AR at 9
RE: RE: If you make a trade like this  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/10/2023 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16059817 uther99 said:
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In comment 16059816 JoeyBigBlue said:


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You have to swing for the fences and get a prospect with a huge ceiling. I’d take Anthony Richardson and not look back. I’d sign a veteran QB to hold down the fort, someone like Andy Dalton, and give the keys to car to Richardson for next season.


Richardson is super raw, but his ceiling is through the roof. Just a physical specimen with elite arm talent.




They could have picked AR at 9



No chance
RE: RE: RE: I would consider Stroud  
bw in dc : 3/10/2023 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16059788 Spiciest Memelord said:
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I'm thinking he gets drafted higher than expected. In the combines he measured a full 6'4" (kind of an important, maybe arbitrary thing for me a QB or TE is 6'4"+ rather than 6'3").

More than full NFL body at 229 lbs.

10.6 in hands.

10+ ft broad jump.


Look, no one on this board is more pro-measurables than me. That's a big reason why I would probably not touch Young until much further down in the round.

Levis has a big toolbox. There is a lot to work with.

And while I know he was saddled with a talent drop off this year in Lexington, he really played so poorly at times - especially in the redzone - that his decision making has to be a major concern. He made some of the worst decisions I saw this year when it mattered most in the 4th quarter.

And at the Combine, I thought he looked flat throwing the ball. Even Jeremiah was critical on how he threw to his left side.

I certainly can't rule out your position based on your reasons. But I think he's a big "Buyer Beware" pick right now...
RE: Stroud  
Bruner4329 : 3/10/2023 7:33 pm : link
In comment 16059813 Mdgiantsfan said:
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I usually frown on the Buckeye QBs but I think Stroud has the goods.


They always seem better than they really are because they never really face tough competition until the last game of the year. OSU has dominated the Big Ten for years until Michigan got better again and there is such a gap in talent. I remember when people were salivating over Haskens a few years ago and never understood why. If you watched his games he would literally have a minute to sit in the pocket when passing. The NFL is so different.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I would consider Stroud  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/10/2023 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16059821 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16059788 Spiciest Memelord said:


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I'm thinking he gets drafted higher than expected. In the combines he measured a full 6'4" (kind of an important, maybe arbitrary thing for me a QB or TE is 6'4"+ rather than 6'3").

More than full NFL body at 229 lbs.

10.6 in hands.

10+ ft broad jump.



Look, no one on this board is more pro-measurables than me. That's a big reason why I would probably not touch Young until much further down in the round.

Levis has a big toolbox. There is a lot to work with.

And while I know he was saddled with a talent drop off this year in Lexington, he really played so poorly at times - especially in the redzone - that his decision making has to be a major concern. He made some of the worst decisions I saw this year when it mattered most in the 4th quarter.

And at the Combine, I thought he looked flat throwing the ball. Even Jeremiah was critical on how he threw to his left side.

I certainly can't rule out your position based on your reasons. But I think he's a big "Buyer Beware" pick right now...


Not sure what he was doing, but I'm guessing he was trying to throw with touch and accuracy to the flats, which is kind of a criticsm of him - he doesn't dial it down.

Hey I did want to sign Jones so we don't have to think about this too hard and there's no totally clean prospect.
I know who it's not going to be.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/10/2023 8:12 pm : link

And that's Levis.
Anthony Richardson  
RomanWH : 3/10/2023 8:20 pm : link
Guy will be Cam Newton 2.0 without the weird fashion sense. Just needs the right coaching staff to unlock his sky high potential.
RE: Having watched him pick apart  
Payasdaddy : 3/10/2023 8:20 pm : link
In comment 16059782 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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My Dawgs for 3.5 quarters with precision passing I would say Stroud. Young is great too but not as big.


Stroud stepped up bigtime vs GA. But those OSU qbs worry me
Haskins, not sold on fields as a thrower. I do think stroud is best of the bunch though.
Not even close imv I would draft Bryce Young over Stroud and Levis  
Rick in Dallas : 3/10/2023 8:26 pm : link
He has all the tools but most importantly his processing the field and decision making is better than the rest.
RE: If its Stroud  
Tuckrule : 3/10/2023 8:56 pm : link
In comment 16059777 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Reich will be done as a HC in three years. If its Young good chance he is in a NFCCG. That's the difference between the two QB's imv.


+1
from ESPN:  
Del Shofner : 3/10/2023 9:08 pm : link
Carolina ultimately wanted the top pick because it gave it the most options. According to the source, team officials have conviction on more than two of the top quarterbacks but haven't become focused on one as they're still early in the evaluation process.

They were high on Kentucky's Will Levis early last season and impressed with Levis, Alabama's Bryce Young and Ohio State's C.J. Stroud at the combine, league sources said.

But should the Panthers fall in love with a couple of quarterbacks, they would consider trading back a spot or two, according to a league source.

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Hard to believe they're still "early in the evaluation process," but maybe so.
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RomanWH : 3/10/2023 9:28 pm : link
RE: If you make a trade like this  
Carl in CT : 3/10/2023 9:49 pm : link
In comment 16059816 JoeyBigBlue said:
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You have to swing for the fences and get a prospect with a huge ceiling. I’d take Anthony Richardson and not look back. I’d sign a veteran QB to hold down the fort, someone like Andy Dalton, and give the keys to car to Richardson for next season.


Richardson is super raw, but his ceiling is through the roof. Just a physical specimen with elite arm talent.


I wouldn’t take him the first pick of the second round. An athlete yup. A QB not even close.
They were saying Stroud's a different  
mittenedman : 3/10/2023 9:54 pm : link
breed at the Combine.
RE: They were saying Stroud's a different  
bw in dc : 3/10/2023 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16059897 mittenedman said:
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breed at the Combine.


To me, he was the standout throwing the ball. Jeremiah said it best. Stroud is the "Textbook" QB.
RE: Anthony Richardson  
paesan98 : 3/11/2023 12:01 am : link
In comment 16059841 RomanWH said:
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Guy will be Cam Newton 2.0 without the weird fashion sense. Just needs the right coaching staff to unlock his sky high potential.

He would have to sit for 2 years to learn the pro position. He is far behind Young, Stroud, and Levi's in terms of QB development.
They should take Young.  
barens : 3/11/2023 1:24 am : link
I’m sure Stroud will do just fine in the NFL, and he did have a monster game against Georgia, but the guy had the best offense surrounding him. Best receivers, and best offensive line.

If he goes to Carolina, he’s basically going to have what Daniel Jones has had all these years, limited pass protection and average to below average receivers.
RE: .  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/11/2023 5:25 am : link
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Perfect! Love it!
RE: its probably Young  
robbieballs2003 : 3/11/2023 7:25 am : link
In comment 16059767 fish3321 said:
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whoever it is, they are clearly convinced he is their guy


I don't necessarily agree with this. I'm not saying they don't have a guy in mind but I wouldn't assume that either. Houston is 100% taking a QB. Carolina made this deal to guarantee a QB. That's the only assumption that I can make now. They couldn't trade up to number two. This reminds me of the Eagles trading up to 2. People laughed at them but they knew they were getting one of two QBs that they liked. Two wasn't an option for Carolina so they got the first pick. I can see them trading down with Houston to recoup soke picks.

One thing I will say though, whoever they pick might have a really hard time succeeding after getting rid of CKC and DJM. That O is much thinner than you'd like for a rookie QB coming in.
So, the Texans get to draft  
Gruber : 3/11/2023 8:01 am : link
whichever of Stroud or Young isn't chosen by the Panthers?
I like the timing and clarity of this trade. Kills most of the speculation. We all now know Carolina is going QB with the first pick.
Anyone thinking Chicago didn't get a good haul needs their head examined. And if Fields doesn't pan out, they have two first rounders in 2024. And if Fields doesn't pan out, the first of those picks should already be a high one.
Sideways thought ...  
Spider56 : 3/11/2023 8:03 am : link
Maybe the Panthers trade the 1st pick to the Ravens for LJ ... Teppers is kookie enough to do anything.
RE: So, the Texans get to draft  
Angel Eyes : 3/11/2023 8:17 am : link
In comment 16059965 Gruber said:
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whichever of Stroud or Young isn't chosen by the Panthers?
I like the timing and clarity of this trade. Kills most of the speculation. We all now know Carolina is going QB with the first pick.
Anyone thinking Chicago didn't get a good haul needs their head examined. And if Fields doesn't pan out, they have two first rounders in 2024. And if Fields doesn't pan out, the first of those picks should already be a high one.

Not necessarily; the Texans also have a need at edge (DE in their system) since Jerry Hughes is getting up there in age and anyone who manned the other spot last year is a free agent.
RE: RE: So, the Texans get to draft  
BeggarsBanquet : 3/11/2023 8:24 am : link
In comment 16059970 Angel Eyes said:
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In comment 16059965 Gruber said:


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whichever of Stroud or Young isn't chosen by the Panthers?
I like the timing and clarity of this trade. Kills most of the speculation. We all now know Carolina is going QB with the first pick.
Anyone thinking Chicago didn't get a good haul needs their head examined. And if Fields doesn't pan out, they have two first rounders in 2024. And if Fields doesn't pan out, the first of those picks should already be a high one.


Not necessarily; the Texans also have a need at edge (DE in their system) since Jerry Hughes is getting up there in age and anyone who manned the other spot last year is a free agent.


They can get Lamar for 2 firsts max, if they sign an offer sheet with him.
RE: Sideways thought ...  
BeggarsBanquet : 3/11/2023 8:25 am : link
In comment 16059967 Spider56 said:
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Maybe the Panthers trade the 1st pick to the Ravens for LJ ... Teppers is kookie enough to do anything.



They can get Lamar for 2 firsts max, if they sign an offer sheet with him.
RE: Sideways thought ...  
Mike in NY : 3/11/2023 8:30 am : link
In comment 16059967 Spider56 said:
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Maybe the Panthers trade the 1st pick to the Ravens for LJ ... Teppers is kookie enough to do anything.


If they were going to do that why wouldn’t they just stay at 9? 9+2024 1st rounder is less than they dealt to Chicago.
I know Tepper is a kook  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/11/2023 12:14 pm : link
but come with these ESPN type evaluations of LJax. But then again Tepper is a kook, 1st overall pick and passing out 7 year guaranteed contract like its candy. lmao 7 years!
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