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Off-season Requirements/Needs/Nice to Haves

thomasa510 : 3/12/2023 3:11 am
How would you break down our offseason requirements, needs, and nice to haves from here on out (ignoring DJ resigning and SB franchise tag) in order to have 2023 be the start of a great postseason run.

For me:

Requirements:

#1 WR
#2 WR
ILB
#1 CB


Needs:

Center
OG
ILB (second)
TE


Nice to Haves:

Backup QB
#3 WR
Safety
OL (flex)
CB depth

If I’m Schoen I try to fill in three of these positions in free agency and 3 in draft and hope someone catches fire somewhere. If not work on a 2 year plan.
I like this list  
George : 3/12/2023 7:08 am : link
I’d add DL to the Need column, and maybe delete WR3 from Would like to have. Maybe move Center up to Requirement.

This is the March I can remember in a long time when I haven’t thought that we need an entire roster overhaul.
It could be  
mdthedream : 3/12/2023 7:30 am : link
WR,TE,CENTER,LBs= We need more offensive targets 2 Wrs and add a TE. Vet center would be nice. Also look for best player fits in the draft not just by position. If a DT is the best player than draft him. With cost of players its always good to have the next guy ready.
It’s pretty simple  
Chris684 : 3/12/2023 7:35 am : link
We need/require (what’s the difference?) WR, CB, ILB, C, IDL
Good list but missing DT  
BillT : 3/12/2023 7:39 am : link
We’re probably two DTs short at the moment. I think they’ll get one in FA along with a starting ILB as their top two FA priorities.
I would love  
TommyWiseau : 3/12/2023 8:50 am : link
To bring in an aging vet on the Dline along with a draft pick. We need depth
DT/DE ought to come first.  
Klaatu : 3/12/2023 9:00 am : link
The Giants couldn't stop the run for love or money, and while an upgrade at ILB should be high on their list, defense begins at the point-of-attack, with the D-Line. They need a better backup for Lawrence. I don't want to see them have to "manage" his practice time again because he's playing over 80% of the defensive snaps, but I also don't want the defense to suffer too much when he's getting a rest.

I'd also like to see them get a better complement for Williams, a DE who can play alongside him and Lawrence. As an aside, I don't like the 2-4-5, and I hope Wink goes back to a more traditional base 3-4. Anyway, I like Jihad Ward for a variety of reasons, but he is absolutely not a guy you want starting eleven games next year as he did this year.
RE: DT/DE ought to come first.  
Eman11 : 3/12/2023 9:06 am : link
In comment 16060636 Klaatu said:
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The Giants couldn't stop the run for love or money, and while an upgrade at ILB should be high on their list, defense begins at the point-of-attack, with the D-Line. They need a better backup for Lawrence. I don't want to see them have to "manage" his practice time again because he's playing over 80% of the defensive snaps, but I also don't want the defense to suffer too much when he's getting a rest.

I'd also like to see them get a better complement for Williams, a DE who can play alongside him and Lawrence. As an aside, I don't like the 2-4-5, and I hope Wink goes back to a more traditional base 3-4. Anyway, I like Jihad Ward for a variety of reasons, but he is absolutely not a guy you want starting eleven games next year as he did this year.


While both ILB and D-Line are needs, I think INT LB is more of a priority. We have good to really good starters in Dex and Leo but we have no one at INT LB.

No doubt we need quality backups for those two and it should be something Shoen looks to do, but we need LB’s who can shed blocks and take advantage of all the dirty work Dex and Leo do up front. Right now there isn’t anyone as opposed to having a solid starting DL.
Just to clarify, I'm talking about free agency..  
Klaatu : 3/12/2023 9:15 am : link
So I'm looking at guys like Dalvin Tomlinson, Johnathan Hankins, A'Shawn Robinson, and Rasheem Green.
Eman11  
Klaatu : 3/12/2023 9:33 am : link
The free agent market for ILB's is not particularly strong. Either you're looking at a lot of age, or a lot of money (or both), or a lot of underachievers. So, whatever route you choose, you're looking at a lot of risk. I know, that's a lot of "a lots."

The need is there, no doubt, and we've heard several names being mentioned, so if the Giants pull the trigger on one, I hope the rewards end up outweighing the risks.
RE: DT/DE ought to come first.  
thomasa510 : 3/12/2023 9:40 am : link
In comment 16060636 Klaatu said:
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The Giants couldn't stop the run for love or money, and while an upgrade at ILB should be high on their list, defense begins at the point-of-attack, with the D-Line. They need a better backup for Lawrence. I don't want to see them have to "manage" his practice time again because he's playing over 80% of the defensive snaps, but I also don't want the defense to suffer too much when he's getting a rest.

I'd also like to see them get a better complement for Williams, a DE who can play alongside him and Lawrence. As an aside, I don't like the 2-4-5, and I hope Wink goes back to a more traditional base 3-4. Anyway, I like Jihad Ward for a variety of reasons, but he is absolutely not a guy you want starting eleven games next year as he did this year.



I had a DL at the top, replaced with CB and then never added back. Agree big need
RE: Eman11  
Eman11 : 3/12/2023 9:42 am : link
In comment 16060648 Klaatu said:
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The free agent market for ILB's is not particularly strong. Either you're looking at a lot of age, or a lot of money (or both), or a lot of underachievers. So, whatever route you choose, you're looking at a lot of risk. I know, that's a lot of "a lots."

The need is there, no doubt, and we've heard several names being mentioned, so if the Giants pull the trigger on one, I hope the rewards end up outweighing the risks.


Gotcha. I totally agree we need DL help, just thought ILB is more a priority and agree the FA ones don’t seem to offer a lot of promise. I’m not thrilled with what’s available but maybe someone gets cut who fills the need.

I don’t see a Shoen spending big on LB but hopefully he and his scouts find a big upgrade either in the draft or a released vet.
RE: RE: Eman11  
Angel Eyes : 3/12/2023 9:46 am : link
In comment 16060655 Eman11 said:
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In comment 16060648 Klaatu said:


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The free agent market for ILB's is not particularly strong. Either you're looking at a lot of age, or a lot of money (or both), or a lot of underachievers. So, whatever route you choose, you're looking at a lot of risk. I know, that's a lot of "a lots."

The need is there, no doubt, and we've heard several names being mentioned, so if the Giants pull the trigger on one, I hope the rewards end up outweighing the risks.



Gotcha. I totally agree we need DL help, just thought ILB is more a priority and agree the FA ones don’t seem to offer a lot of promise. I’m not thrilled with what’s available but maybe someone gets cut who fills the need.

I don’t see a Shoen spending big on LB but hopefully he and his scouts find a big upgrade either in the draft or a released vet.

For me with LB, it's a question of wanting a two-down thumper and a rangier guy who can stay in coverage with tight ends or running backs. It's been a problem for us for a few years.
RE: RE: Eman11  
Klaatu : 3/12/2023 10:03 am : link
In comment 16060655 Eman11 said:
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In comment 16060648 Klaatu said:


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The free agent market for ILB's is not particularly strong. Either you're looking at a lot of age, or a lot of money (or both), or a lot of underachievers. So, whatever route you choose, you're looking at a lot of risk. I know, that's a lot of "a lots."

The need is there, no doubt, and we've heard several names being mentioned, so if the Giants pull the trigger on one, I hope the rewards end up outweighing the risks.



Gotcha. I totally agree we need DL help, just thought ILB is more a priority and agree the FA ones don’t seem to offer a lot of promise. I’m not thrilled with what’s available but maybe someone gets cut who fills the need.

I don’t see a Shoen spending big on LB but hopefully he and his scouts find a big upgrade either in the draft or a released vet.


When it comes to the draft, I figure they'll go CB and WR early, not necessarily in that order. It would surprise me if they went LB, even though there are guys I really like, Sanders, Campbell, the usual suspects. If I had to guess, I'd say that they'll do what they did last year and hold off on ILB until Day 3, which wouldn't automatically be a bad thing, because there should be some good prospects still available to them.
In this order  
joeinpa : 3/12/2023 10:18 am : link
Need:

ILB
WR
IOL

Nice to have:

Corner
ER


RE: In this order  
Sean : 3/12/2023 10:25 am : link
In comment 16060677 joeinpa said:
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Need:

ILB
WR
IOL

Nice to have:

Corner
ER


No TE, Joe?
RE: RE: In this order  
section125 : 3/12/2023 10:40 am : link
In comment 16060680 Sean said:
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In comment 16060677 joeinpa said:


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Need:

ILB
WR
IOL

Nice to have:

Corner
ER




No TE, Joe?


TE is maybe nice to have. BBI has a weird fascination with TEs. Bellinger will be much better this year. Get a couple WRs that scare people and Bellinger will be open a lot.

But if you spend $160 mill on your QB, you had better get him some WRs to throw to.

Require: (must have)
WR, ILB, CB

Need: (should have)
DT, OC

Nice:
OG, ER (I think Ezeudu will be in the picture and Bredesen will improve)

IMHO
One of the big issues Schoen  
Dave on the UWS : 3/12/2023 12:50 pm : link
has in roster construction this year is what to make of ALL the injured players. Look at who went down last year. On DL: Nick Williams, DJ Davidson, LB: Beavers, CB: A. Robinson
OL: Ezeudu. ALL of these guys "could" be valuable depth or even starters. Their health, and how Schoen and Daboll feels about them, affects FA AND the draft.
Davidson is essentially Dex's backup. Williams starter as the 3rd DL. Ezeudu could be the starting LG this year. Beavers is at least, going to be competitive depth at ILB.
So, its hard to project the next few weeks as a result.
RE: One of the big issues Schoen  
Payasdaddy : 3/12/2023 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16060782 Dave on the UWS said:
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has in roster construction this year is what to make of ALL the injured players. Look at who went down last year. On DL: Nick Williams, DJ Davidson, LB: Beavers, CB: A. Robinson
OL: Ezeudu. ALL of these guys "could" be valuable depth or even starters. Their health, and how Schoen and Daboll feels about them, affects FA AND the draft.
Davidson is essentially Dex's backup. Williams starter as the 3rd DL. Ezeudu could be the starting LG this year. Beavers is at least, going to be competitive depth at ILB.
So, its hard to project the next few weeks as a result.


Very true
If healthy, I see Davidson as the 4th DT who can grab 5-10 snaps. If he develops, he can move into 1st guy in DT rotation
But I don’t know if he has that kind of upside
Same with beavers. We don’t know if he was a starter last yr that he would’ve been any good. Think he would’ve brought more than McFadden. So I have to view him as 3rd ILB until proven otherwise
Same with mckethen at OG. He supposed to have looked pretty decent but sample size real small. So he can’t be viewed as anything more than depth. Yet
Here’s our top 100 (ish) picks:  
shocktheworld : 3/12/2023 1:37 pm : link
Since these are usually the players/draft value that is expected to contribute from day 1 ( not that this is reproducible year to year but it’sa good guard guess at who could be there for us in the first 4 rounds:

26: Deonte Banks CB Maryland 6’2, 205 lbs
(my personal hope, but he may go sooner now, if he goes sooner I would shift to Cam Smith from S Carolina)
It’s my opinion Addison, QJ and JSN won’t make it to us at 26, and the good corners are gonna fly off the shelf. Luckily this CB class is deep and wide, so I’d rather grab a stud like Banks or Smith compared to the next level of WR after the top three are gone…plus, I’ll admit I’m looking for a bigger target at WR, not another small dynamic Zay Flowers type… that type of WR can be found pretty deep throughout this draft, so we’ll take the chance on one of those gentlemen in the later rounds. As you’ll see, I wait on WR as there are 2 I have my eye on in round three.

58: Siaka Ika DT Baylor (Dex Lawrence Jr.!)

86:

102:
Well  
shocktheworld : 3/12/2023 1:38 pm : link
I fat fingered that… haha. Disregard the rubbish.. wasn’t ready to post 😝

….  
shocktheworld : 3/12/2023 1:43 pm : link
26: Deonte Banks CB
58: Siaki Aki DT Baylor
90: Cedric Tillman WR Tennessee
102: Tucker Kraft TE S. Dakota St.

Sorry for garbage post hehe
Center and both guard positions  
Since1965 : 3/12/2023 1:48 pm : link
are still a mess. Fixing the o-line should be a top priority.
RE: Center and both guard positions  
shocktheworld : 3/12/2023 1:55 pm : link
In comment 16060811 Since1965 said:
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are still a mess. Fixing the o-line should be a top priority.


I agree, but we have some young options still there… an underrated aspect of team building is continuity amongst the young players… I think Josh Ezedu could develop into a fine player at guard, so Center is where I spend some FA $
RE: RE: In this order  
joeinpa : 3/12/2023 2:41 pm : link
In comment 16060680 Sean said:
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In comment 16060677 joeinpa said:


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Need:

ILB
WR
IOL

Nice to have:

Corner
ER




No TE, Joe?


I considered it, and think they will add one. But thought with Bellinger development maybe not a need?

But no strong argument against the idea
Sadly our needs don’t match up with what’s available on FA  
Rudy5757 : 3/12/2023 3:13 pm : link
We need WR 1 and 2 and a Center. I think we can get by with what we have at G. ILB is a major need and Safety(Id like Love back). We do need a CB but I think we look at the draft.

I would put money on 2 WRs in the draft maybe even 3.

Run stuffer DT. Really thought Ellis was going to be that guy but it didn’t work out.

I’d like Ward back behind Thibs and Azeez.

Bruiser RB.

Blocking TE or if we can’t find WRs load up on Rec TEs.
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