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Opinion on 17 games/7 playoff teams

Route 9 : 3/12/2023 11:00 am
per conference in the playoffs?

This was the second year since the NFL started doing it this way and I actually think I like this current format more since they switched from 16 games to 17 and added a team on each side.

What do you think? Like or .... do not like?
More football,  
section125 : 3/12/2023 11:08 am : link
more better.

-But-

I do fear for the players safety and health. Get rid of Thursday night and the 17 games would not be so bad.

I do like the 7 teams in the playoff.
RE: More football,  
Route 9 : 3/12/2023 11:08 am : link
In comment 16060707 section125 said:
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more better.

-But-

I do fear for the players safety and health. Get rid of Thursday night and the 17 games would not be so bad.

I do like the 7 teams in the playoff.


Same I LOVE the second seed doesn't get a bye
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/12/2023 11:11 am : link
I hate the even #. 10-6 sounds so much cleaner than 10-7.

That said, the move to 18 games is inevitable. But the NFL cares so much about the health of its players...(rolling eyes.)
I preferred the old format  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/12/2023 11:18 am : link
Would prefer moving either back to 16 or up to 18 for regular season. I also like the even number of games. The NFL talking out of both sides of their mouth on CTE increasing the number of games.
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Route 9 : 3/12/2023 11:19 am : link
Oh man. Haven't heard an "I hate odd numbers" take in some time.
Both 17 and 7 is an awkward situation. The only positive is that each  
Ivan15 : 3/12/2023 11:19 am : link
Division winner got a first round bye. I liked the 16/6 much better though it is unlikely they ever go back there. 18/7 is more likely but 18/6 with 2 “bye” teams would be okay since the third division leader in the conference usually gets in with a weak record.
RE: I preferred the old format  
Route 9 : 3/12/2023 11:19 am : link
In comment 16060718 Sneakers O'toole said:
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Would prefer moving either back to 16 or up to 18 for regular season. I also like the even number of games. The NFL talking out of both sides of their mouth on CTE increasing the number of games.


Yeah. They don't care about anything but money lol
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Route 9 : 3/12/2023 11:20 am : link
1. One more game in the regular season
2. Let's be real here you have more of a chance to see your team make the playoffs
3. I like that the number two seed doesn't get a first round bye anymore. I LOVE that actually.
4. The season ends later. By the time Super Bowl is over with I am reminded Valentine's Day is even a thing. I know it's only a week later but remember when the playoffs ended in January?
5. 3 games in a day on wild card weekend? I think there was a MNF game this and last year too.

Regarding number 3. I think there was a year where the divisional round in the AFC set itself up where the #1 seed Titans had to play a 11-5 WC Ravens team and the #2 Steelers got to play an 8-8 team Chargers team. 2008? I thought that was stupid. Chargers won their division so they were the higher seed despite losing 3 less games than the Ravens.
17 games  
Archer : 3/12/2023 11:45 am : link
I have concern about the equity in the 17 game schedule.
There are some teams who have 9 home games and others who have 8. That is not fair.

This issue is further compounded by games on neutral sites.

Some teams lose a home game when games are played on a neutral site.

The NFL must do something about this.
There may come a time when every team plays one game on a neutral site.
RE: 17 games  
RHPeel : 3/12/2023 12:00 pm : link
In comment 16060740 Archer said:
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I have concern about the equity in the 17 game schedule.
There are some teams who have 9 home games and others who have 8. That is not fair.

This issue is further compounded by games on neutral sites.

Some teams lose a home game when games are played on a neutral site.

The NFL must do something about this.
There may come a time when every team plays one game on a neutral site.


The 9/8 thing is at least conference-specific: one year the NFC gets 9 home games, the next it gets 8. So it's not ideal but I don't see it as a competitive issue.

I would like to see two bye weeks if we go to 18 games. Frankly I'd like to see two bye weeks already. I feel like there's enough inventory that there shouldn't be an issue having 2 bye weeks, with one preceding a team's Thursday night game as a rule.

I *really* dislike 7-seeds in the playoffs. I liked it when two teams per conference got a bye.
RE: 17 games  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 3/12/2023 12:00 pm : link
In comment 16060740 Archer said:
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I have concern about the equity in the 17 game schedule.
There are some teams who have 9 home games and others who have 8. That is not fair.

This issue is further compounded by games on neutral sites.

Some teams lose a home game when games are played on a neutral site.

The NFL must do something about this.
There may come a time when every team plays one game on a neutral site.


Actually either all NFC teams have 9 home games scheduled or all AFC teams have 9 games scheduled. Though you are correct that a home game can end up in a neutral site like London.
I treat the wild card weekend like a regular season week  
cosmicj : 3/12/2023 12:04 pm : link
There are so many games it’s hardly different. And they don’t mean much.

The real playoffs start with the divisional round.
Thursday games  
stretch234 : 3/12/2023 12:18 pm : link
Outside of being a holiday. Thanksgiving games are on a Thursday and nobody bitches about anything with them. What exactly is different

I think ultimately they will go to a 18 game schedule but will have to agree on 2 bye weeks and expanded rosters and eliminate all preseason games.
Get rid of all preseason games and schedule  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/12/2023 12:23 pm : link
The inter conference games in weeks 1-5. Players wouldn’t get injured in games that don’t count, and the first few games of the season, where the teams are starting to coming together, count slightly less since they don’t affect head to head tiebreakers.

The inter conference games would become a semi preseason, but they count. Kinda like college teams scheduling their first three games out of conference.
Get rid of all preseason games and schedule  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/12/2023 12:23 pm : link
The inter conference games in weeks 1-5. Players wouldn’t get injured in games that don’t count, and the first few games of the season, where the teams are starting to coming together, count slightly less since they don’t affect head to head tiebreakers.

The inter conference games would become a semi preseason, but they count. Kinda like college teams scheduling their first three games out of conference.
Absolutely Hate It  
Cyrus the Great : 3/12/2023 1:30 pm : link
Cheapens the regular season. Each game is less meaningful. Unless you're the 1 seed it doesn't matter too much which seed you get. Everyone knows this is going to trend to a 18 game regular season and then at some point probably an 8 team playoff format where any decent team gets in. We'll get to watch 9-8 and 8-9 wild card teams get obliterated on Wild Card weekend on a yearly basis now. All for more $$$$$ for the owners
the only way I would have supported a 17th game  
BigBlueCane : 3/12/2023 1:37 pm : link
is if it was a mandated rivalry game every year. So the Battle of New York actually meant something.
Hate it. HATE IT. RELLY F***NG HATE IT.  
Red Dog : 3/12/2023 2:58 pm : link
Hate the odd number of games as unfair to the teams that have an extra road game and giving an advantage to the teams with an extra home game.

Hate regular season games played outside the US.

The season lasts too damn long.

Too many teams make the playoffs. Every year there are a few teams in the playoffs that don't deserve to be there. How does one game over .500 make a playoff team?

I've been watching pro football since 1955, watched a TON of it in the 50s through the 90s, but now the NFL has basically lost me as a fan. I am now watching less NFL football than ever and don't watch any except GIANTS of Bills games.

Most Sundays I simply have something better to do, like changing the air in my vehicle tires or working on my anti-gravity machine.
Move to 18 game is inevitable.. As is a Euro division with 4 new teams  
Matt G : 3/12/2023 3:53 pm : link

Huh?  
Route 9 : 3/12/2023 5:56 pm : link
Teams win divisions with 7-9 records
RE: Move to 18 game is inevitable.. As is a Euro division with 4 new teams  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/12/2023 6:19 pm : link
In comment 16060966 Matt G said:
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4 teams in a Euro division? Think long term, 32 new teams in the Euro League, the Asian League, and the Central/South American League. Then a four league champions playoff. 128 teams until expansion to Africa. It’s inevitable.
They should have kept 16 games  
give66 : 3/12/2023 10:38 pm : link
But added a second buy week..Gives an additional TV revenue week and helps players recover.
RE: Hate it. HATE IT. RELLY F***NG HATE IT.  
NINEster : 3/12/2023 10:41 pm : link
In comment 16060876 Red Dog said:
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Hate the odd number of games as unfair to the teams that have an extra road game and giving an advantage to the teams with an extra home game.

Hate regular season games played outside the US.

The season lasts too damn long.

Too many teams make the playoffs. Every year there are a few teams in the playoffs that don't deserve to be there. How does one game over .500 make a playoff team?

I've been watching pro football since 1955, watched a TON of it in the 50s through the 90s, but now the NFL has basically lost me as a fan. I am now watching less NFL football than ever and don't watch any except GIANTS of Bills games.

Most Sundays I simply have something better to do, like changing the air in my vehicle tires or working on my anti-gravity machine.


I'd love to hear your take on a quick summary of the kind of football you saw in each decade from 50s to 90s.

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Route 9 : 3/12/2023 11:04 pm : link
I agree about the London games being stupid. I thought that was "cool hip" idea the first time they did that with Giants/Dolphins in 2007, but it quickly became ... played out.

Same thing with the NHL games in a baseball/football stadium. Boring.
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Route 9 : 3/12/2023 11:08 pm : link
I like that the season lasts longer. The Super Bowl was only a month ago and we're already in mid March. Nothing really going on until the NHL/NBA playoffs and the NFL Draft.

Baseball is fine, I guess. I could live without it though. Kind of a drag after hockey is done and baseball is the only thing going on during the dreadful summer days.
RE: I treat the wild card weekend like a regular season week  
nyfootballfan : 3/13/2023 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16060750 cosmicj said:
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There are so many games it’s hardly different. And they don’t mean much.

The real playoffs start with the divisional round.


agree.
Lol  
Route 9 : 3/13/2023 1:47 pm : link
Giants playoff win over Vikings doesn't mean much.

I'll bring that one up next time there is a Daniel Jones argument on BBI that he hasn't won any big games.

See you all in 30 or so seconds.
It’s cheapened the product  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2023 2:06 pm : link
The 17th game shits all over the player safety angle the NFL likes to claim it plays, and they compound it with the TNF silliness. Then add in another team to the playoffs and you’ve got half the league qualifying. Just add another and get to NBA status.

I don’t want more football I want better football.
CFL has an 18 game regular season  
Blueworm : 3/13/2023 2:10 pm : link
So it has been done before.

The season does kind of sprawl, though, with two bye weeks.
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Route 9 : 3/13/2023 4:27 pm : link
A lot of people here talking about diluting product and this and that over one extra game. The biggest example of this is having teams with losing records getting to host playoff games. That still bugs me, I will admit.

Diluting what product exactly? Wasn't it just last year everybody was screaming to the highest heavens how great the quality of all the playoff games were? Or was it this year? I simply cannot remember.

This year's Super Bowl and last year's were pretty entertaining, if you ask me.

Also the one extra away game doesn't bother me. I actually like away games more than home ones. I have a chance to see the Giants this upcoming year in Vegas. More access and mroe control.
Negative  
D HOS : 3/13/2023 5:52 pm : link
Go back to 16 games and 6 teams. No reason to have changed it. There are some things the league should not tinker with.
RE: It’s cheapened the product  
bw in dc : 3/13/2023 6:42 pm : link
In comment 16061964 UConn4523 said:
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The 17th game shits all over the player safety angle the NFL likes to claim it plays, and they compound it with the TNF silliness. Then add in another team to the playoffs and you’ve got half the league qualifying. Just add another and get to NBA status.

I don’t want more football I want better football.


Good post.

Alas, the NFLPA is too inept to realize how much leverage they have. Instead, they continue to line-up and drink the dupe flavored Kool-Aid the owners keep selling...
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UConn4523 : 3/13/2023 8:08 pm : link
In comment 16062254 Route 9 said:
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A lot of people here talking about diluting product and this and that over one extra game. The biggest example of this is having teams with losing records getting to host playoff games. That still bugs me, I will admit.

Diluting what product exactly? Wasn't it just last year everybody was screaming to the highest heavens how great the quality of all the playoff games were? Or was it this year? I simply cannot remember.

This year's Super Bowl and last year's were pretty entertaining, if you ask me.

Also the one extra away game doesn't bother me. I actually like away games more than home ones. I have a chance to see the Giants this upcoming year in Vegas. More access and mroe control.


I can only speak for myself but I explained it in my last post. Injuries seem way up and heading into the playoffs you had two 3rd string QBs (Purdy/Thompson) starting their games and no Lamar Jackson. And that’s just the QBs. Add up all the other players out due to injury on top of it.

17 games is too much when the league pretends like player safety is important. And TNF is an absolute joke, the games usually stink and players end up sitting out when banged up instead of likely playing if they had a full week of rest.

It’s unfair to the players and it’s unfair to fans. And the more games you add to the schedule and playoffs, the less important it all becomes. The NFL used to be about urgency and now it’s just about surviving. Not a good trend IMO.
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Route 9 : 3/15/2023 12:21 am : link
The NFL doesn't have a "too many games" problem. It has a "too many teams/divisions" problem. Too many crap teams (like Tampa Bay this last year) getting to host a playoff game at home. This was long before 17 games was a thing.

The old format was much better with 30 teams. You hardly ever saw a team with an 8-8 record make the playoffs. I think there were two in the 80s who were below .500 when there was a lockout. Nothing I can do about it.

Also, you had Foles vs Keenum 5 years ago in the NFCCG and Blake Bortles on the other side so it's not as if there haven't been years where backups or backup type QBs are visible late in the playoffs. Why bring up the Miami game? I actually thought they kept up with overrated Buffalo pretty well in that one. Purdy was on the winning side against Dallas the round before he was injured.
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