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GoDeep13 : 3/12/2023 2:24 pm
Giants are gonna be big players in the DL/LB market. Been in constant contact with Agent gaging market. Biggest names to watch are Zach Allen formerly of Arizona, David Long Jr., Dalvin Tomlinson, A’Shawn Robinson, Dean Lowry, Demarcus Walker, Azeez Al-Shaair, Anthony Walker, Bobby Okereke and Germaine Pratt.

Giants also looking to add a CB. Inquired on Marcus Peters, Byron Murphy, Greedy Williams (brother of Rodarius), and Jamal Dean.

Giants looking to Resign their IOL (Gates and Feliciano) continue to add young pieces through draft.

Giants looking to add TE depth. Interest in Dan Arnold formerly of Jacksonville.
GoDeep13  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/12/2023 2:26 pm : link
Giddy up.
Thank you GoDeep  
Blue21 : 3/12/2023 2:26 pm : link
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It seems  
Spider43 : 3/12/2023 2:27 pm : link
We're likely going with WR at #25, judging from those FA rumors.
Nothing on  
Breeze_94 : 3/12/2023 2:27 pm : link
Edwards, Schultz, or Gesicki? Those names have been floated around by the beats quite a bit.

Edmunds and Irv Smith as well, to a lesser extent. Edmunds going to cost too much…
Thanks for the information  
Simms11 : 3/12/2023 2:27 pm : link
GoDeep13......interesting names. Always excited for Free Agency and the draft.
I think it is pretty obvious  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2023 2:27 pm : link
We will be drafting play makers at.the skill positions. I think 1 to 2 WR's and definitely a TE in this strong class.
If we are looking at CB  
Mike in NY : 3/12/2023 2:27 pm : link
I would take a look at Rock Ya-Sin. The area scout for Indy when he was drafted is now with us and I think he would fit Wink’s scheme.
Thanks for the info!  
Sky King : 3/12/2023 2:27 pm : link
Makes sense.
What  
section125 : 3/12/2023 2:28 pm : link
Eric said. Hope they can get some help a reasonable prices.
Great  
AcidTest : 3/12/2023 2:28 pm : link
information. Thanks.
Some good names there  
bigblue12 : 3/12/2023 2:31 pm : link
Love to see Tomlinson back or A’Shawn Robinson.
A lot of rationality in that focus, GoDeep13, thanks  
ColHowPepper : 3/12/2023 2:32 pm : link
A bit dismayed about IOL, esp. re-sign Feliciano, better be a chunk cheaper than '22. Hope Gates, now many months on post-op and recovery, has gained better strength and movement.
I wonder if adding DL will have any impact on LW's future  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/12/2023 2:35 pm : link
...Giants save $12 million but cutting or trading him.
Thanks Go Deep.  
Vin_Cuccs : 3/12/2023 2:35 pm : link
The more I think about this, the happier I am with Schoen's approach to team building. Make the depth of the team a strength. Avoid overpaying for high-end, expensive free-agent talent. Give the coaching staff the personnel to be multiple by adding as many talented players as possible, not just a singular big name.
RE: A lot of rationality in that focus, GoDeep13, thanks  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2023 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16060843 ColHowPepper said:
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A bit dismayed about IOL, esp. re-sign Feliciano, better be a chunk cheaper than '22. Hope Gates, now many months on post-op and recovery, has gained better strength and movement.


Why? We have JE, MM both coming back from injury and we will definitely draft a Center candidate this year.
Thanks!  
US1 Giants : 3/12/2023 2:38 pm : link
I guess this disproves the thread from a week or so ago that there were no Asshats on Schoen's tight ship.
RE: Nothing on  
GoDeep13 : 3/12/2023 2:38 pm : link
In comment 16060831 Breeze_94 said:
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Edwards, Schultz, or Gesicki? Those names have been floated around by the beats quite a bit.

Edmunds and Irv Smith as well, to a lesser extent. Edmunds going to cost too much…
They want to keep the TE $ low. Gesicki and Shultz asking for more than they are willing to spend on a 1a/#2 TE in their system. Arnold looking more cost friendly
Thanks  
George from PA : 3/12/2023 2:41 pm : link
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Could be asshat info from agents.....not necessarily the Giants  
George from PA : 3/12/2023 2:44 pm : link
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Grazie GoDeep13  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/12/2023 2:45 pm : link
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I assume none of the players named in the OP  
Will Shine : 3/12/2023 2:45 pm : link
are in line for big contracts?
Thanks GD13  
Rick in Dallas : 3/12/2023 2:47 pm : link
Should be fun to see Schoen navigate through FA
Text I just received  
GoDeep13 : 3/12/2023 2:48 pm : link
“Wink loves A-gap pressure. There is a guy that should be available soon that Wink will pound the table for and absolutely LOVED in Baltimore.”

Thinking he means Za’Darius Smith
Tremaine Edwards isn’t on that list.  
cosmicj : 3/12/2023 2:48 pm : link
Good.
RE: A lot of rationality in that focus, GoDeep13, thanks  
Milton : 3/12/2023 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16060843 ColHowPepper said:
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A bit dismayed about IOL, esp. re-sign Feliciano, better be a chunk cheaper than '22.
I think Feliciano is someone who Schoen and Daboll favor a lot more than BBI; and that can be typical of OL, where there's a lot more to evaluating value than what can be seen on a TV screen.
I really don’t want Feliciano back  
Rudy5757 : 3/12/2023 2:53 pm : link
I prefer we go after one of the better FA. Gates too, I’d rather get better.
RE: I really don’t want Feliciano back  
fish3321 : 3/12/2023 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16060872 Rudy5757 said:
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I prefer we go after one of the better FA. Gates too, I’d rather get better.


having guys who are cheap and know the system is important. Not every signing is an all pro
RE: Text I just received  
section125 : 3/12/2023 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16060866 GoDeep13 said:
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“Wink loves A-gap pressure. There is a guy that should be available soon that Wink will pound the table for and absolutely LOVED in Baltimore.”

Thinking he means Za’Darius Smith


Live updates from GoDeep13
I’ll take Tomlinson  
Eman11 : 3/12/2023 2:59 pm : link
And Pratt from those names and be very happy
RE: I really don’t want Feliciano back  
FanMan : 3/12/2023 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16060872 Rudy5757 said:
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I prefer we go after one of the better FA. Gates too, I’d rather get better.


Just because you sign them, doesn't mean they make the team. No problem bringing them to Camp to fight for a spot.
RE: I really don’t want Feliciano back  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2023 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16060872 Rudy5757 said:
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I prefer we go after one of the better FA. Gates too, I’d rather get better.


Again, cheaper and probably better option coming from the draft. Solid Centers available this April.

TE makes sense if you follow Buffalo and KC. Yes, Kelce is all world but he was a later round draft choice. Buffalo had Knox a 3rd and then spot duty and specific type of 2nd and 3rd TE's. The Draft is very deep at TE!
RE: I’ll take Tomlinson  
Payasdaddy : 3/12/2023 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16060882 Eman11 said:
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And Pratt from those names and be very happy


Dalvin could get 50% of the snaps in a 3 man rotation
Probably can put LEO at 5T for some too. Maybe. Didn’t he spend some time there before?
RE: RE: I’ll take Tomlinson  
Payasdaddy : 3/12/2023 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16060886 Payasdaddy said:
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In comment 16060882 Eman11 said:


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And Pratt from those names and be very happy



Dalvin could get 50% of the snaps in a 3 man rotation
Probably can put LEO at 5T for some too. Maybe. Didn’t he spend some time there before?


Depends on LEO cap #
RE: RE: A lot of rationality in that focus, GoDeep13, thanks  
ColHowPepper : 3/12/2023 3:02 pm : link
In comment 16060851 jvm52106 said:
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Why? We have JE, MM both coming back from injury and we will definitely draft a Center candidate this year.
hi, jvm, nothing more than I don't think JF is worth what Giants paid for '22. Hope you're right about drafting a C, it has been a long time, too long, 'don't sleep on Jon'
Thanks  
JoeMoney19 : 3/12/2023 3:03 pm : link
For sharing!
RE: Thanks Go Deep.  
BigBlueinDE : 3/12/2023 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16060850 Vin_Cuccs said:
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The more I think about this, the happier I am with Schoen's approach to team building. Make the depth of the team a strength. Avoid overpaying for high-end, expensive free-agent talent. Give the coaching staff the personnel to be multiple by adding as many talented players as possible, not just a singular big name.


+1
RE: RE: I’ll take Tomlinson  
Payasdaddy : 3/12/2023 3:07 pm : link
In comment 16060886 Payasdaddy said:
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In comment 16060882 Eman11 said:


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And Pratt from those names and be very happy



Dalvin could get 50% of the snaps in a 3 man rotation
Probably can put LEO at 5T for some too. Maybe. Didn’t he spend some time there before?


Depends on LEO cap #
I don’t see it with Feliciano either  
mfsd : 3/12/2023 3:12 pm : link
But I do trust this front office/coaching staff more than any in recent memory

I’m also glad this chatter doesn’t revolve around overpaying for second rate or oft-injured WRs. We’ve sort of been there, done that recently. Let’s hit on some draft picks and swing for the fences with WR only when the guy is well worth it
If this info is correct  
dpinzow : 3/12/2023 3:14 pm : link
Then Schoen is going offense heavy in the draft. He wants a ferocious defense to carry the team while the most likely young drafted WRs acclimate to the NFL
I still think we'll  
mittenedman : 3/12/2023 3:19 pm : link
see a huge move at WR.

3 of the top 4 WRs are coming off injury (Shepard, Wandale Robinson and Collin Johnson). And the fact that Johnson's in the top 4 tells you something.

The cupboard is pretty bare, and it's the single biggest improvement the team can make.
Thanks GoDeep13!  
Optimus-NY : 3/12/2023 3:19 pm : link
I want Dalvin Tomlinson back. Never should have let him walk.
RE: I’ll take Tomlinson  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2023 3:22 pm : link
In comment 16060882 Eman11 said:
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And Pratt from those names and be very happy


Same. If not Dalvin then A Shawn will be nice.

Murphy at CB would be solid
RE: If this info is correct  
Milton : 3/12/2023 3:24 pm : link
In comment 16060905 dpinzow said:
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Then Schoen is going offense heavy in the draft. He wants a ferocious defense to carry the team while the most likely young drafted WRs acclimate to the NFL
I have a general philosophy that leans defense in free agency and offense in the draft. Why? Rookie mistakes are more likely to be found on defense than offense.
RE: If we are looking at CB  
bLiTz 2k : 3/12/2023 3:25 pm : link
In comment 16060834 Mike in NY said:
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I would take a look at Rock Ya-Sin. The area scout for Indy when he was drafted is now with us and I think he would fit Wink’s scheme.


He's been bad in the NFL. No thanks.
Bring Dalvin  
Ben in Tampa : 3/12/2023 3:26 pm : link
Home!
RE: Bring Dalvin  
Payasdaddy : 3/12/2023 3:28 pm : link
In comment 16060927 Ben in Tampa said:
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Home!

Isnt Dalvin a CFP?
wouldnt be surprised if he wants to be back near wall st for when career done
thank you godeep, personally love that strategy  
Eric on Li : 3/12/2023 3:28 pm : link
that is shopping the positions with the most choices and value. grabbing several names off those lists would make this team a lot better even if there's not a lot of flash or headlines.
Al-Shaair is a guy I mentioned on Twitter  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/12/2023 3:30 pm : link
Only 25, stuck behind Warner and Greenlaw but always around the ball when he played. Big 2021 season in place of Greenlaw. Likely won't command a top-line deal.

Will have to bid against the Texans (Demeco Ryans) and Tampa, but Giants can offer playoff contender.
Tomlinson looked like  
mittenedman : 3/12/2023 3:31 pm : link
he had plenty of juice left in those Vikings games. He screwed up a few of our running plays.
Tomlinson's getting a bunch of mentions on the net.  
MOOPS : 3/12/2023 3:34 pm : link
Cleveland, SF, Atlanta. Probably gonna be more than a few serious inquiries for his service. Love to have him back though. See what the price is.
not asshat info but there are some other cbs with links to wink/schoen  
Eric on Li : 3/12/2023 3:38 pm : link
2 being anthony averett and dane jackson. neither is a super star but both are probably affordable and offer a little more upside than moureau.

averett had the 2nd most press reps of any cb in football in 2021 under wink and he's from NJ (played at bama when daboll was there too). last year he had a 1 year 4m deal in LV but went on IR early in the year with a broken thumb and then reinjured it late.
Shore up on the Oline..  
prdave73 : 3/12/2023 3:50 pm : link
That's the key! Mainly through the draft.
Good  
WillVAB : 3/12/2023 3:52 pm : link
There’s good depth in FA at DL/LB this year. Solidifying the front 7 would be smart.
That’s a good group of DLs  
BillT : 3/12/2023 3:56 pm : link
Tomlinson, Lowry, Robinson, Walker. Think they are considering getting two of them. Or is it one and draft one. Either way it’s great to have that strong a group to chose from. Getting another sold player there is important.
Thanks for posting!  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/12/2023 4:01 pm : link
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RE: RE: If we are looking at CB  
Mike in NY : 3/12/2023 4:12 pm : link
In comment 16060925 bLiTz 2k said:
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In comment 16060834 Mike in NY said:


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I would take a look at Rock Ya-Sin. The area scout for Indy when he was drafted is now with us and I think he would fit Wink’s scheme.



He's been bad in the NFL. No thanks.


If you look at his numbers with Vegas they did improve. I think he could be available at the right price for Wink.
Thanks Go Deep  
Matt in SGS : 3/12/2023 4:19 pm : link
Zach Allen is a Boston College guy, so we know the Maras will be fans. But I'd love to see Dalvin return. #1 priority this offseason is to fix the run defense. They can't compete to win the NFC East unless they can slow down the Philly & Dallas running game.

And I agree with the posts above, I would think the Giants are leaning WR at #25.
 
christian : 3/12/2023 4:25 pm : link
I'd love for Schoen to reverse one of Gettleman's stupidest moves -- wrecking the really good rotation of the 2020 defensive line. Golladay over Tomlinson, facepalm.

The 3 year savings of cutting Golladay is 30M+. I'd love to see DT on a 3/30M deal.
Question for the crew  
AG5686 : 3/12/2023 4:28 pm : link
What is the origin of the term asshat?
Im a newbie here
As others have said  
.McL. : 3/12/2023 4:33 pm : link
I like the approach.

FA is good for filling depth, rotational players, and certain positions that are not the really expensive ones. So, my opinion of the optimal approach to FA...

DL rotational players and backups with an occasional starter
LB This is a fairly inexpensive position so starters, rotational and backups
CB backups
S rotational and backups with an occasional starter
Edge backups only

OT backups only
OG backups with an occasional starter
OC backups rarely a starter
TE rotational and backups with an occasional starter
RB all is fair game, but don't spend over about 5M on any player
WR 3, 4, and 5 WR again do not overpay
QB Backups only

Use the draft or trades to get your high end starters at WR, Edge and CB. And with very few exceptions use only the draft for your starting QB.
Thanks  
Toth029 : 3/12/2023 4:37 pm : link
Zach Allen would be a great addition.
I thought front 7  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/12/2023 4:39 pm : link
would be a big focus but they need another 5T, ILB and OLB. If DT is cheap then sure but he was not the type of player you keep and the market showed that. Lawrence, Davidson and ?

Now Linval Joseph was the one who got away during the early stages of the great destruction of the LOS under Reese.
RE: Question for the crew  
Eric on Li : 3/12/2023 4:43 pm : link
In comment 16061001 AG5686 said:
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What is the origin of the term asshat?
Im a newbie here


it was voted on.
RE: RE: Question for the crew  
AG5686 : 3/12/2023 4:45 pm : link
In comment 16061015 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16061001 AG5686 said:


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What is the origin of the term asshat?
Im a newbie here



it was voted on.

I meant what does it mean
RE: RE: RE: Question for the crew  
.McL. : 3/12/2023 4:49 pm : link
In comment 16061021 AG5686 said:
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In comment 16061015 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 16061001 AG5686 said:


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What is the origin of the term asshat?
Im a newbie here



it was voted on.


I meant what does it mean

somebody with inside information
RE: Nothing on  
ZogZerg : 3/12/2023 4:52 pm : link
In comment 16060831 Breeze_94 said:
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Edwards, Schultz, or Gesicki? Those names have been floated around by the beats quite a bit.

Edmunds and Irv Smith as well, to a lesser extent. Edmunds going to cost too much…


The Beats don't know anything.
I think it's very refreshing and exciting  
arniefez : 3/12/2023 4:54 pm : link
that the Giants are being run by people who understand what it takes to build a winning NFL team in 2023.

IMO until the Giants greatly improve their D front 7 and the middle of their OL they won't be able to compete with Philadelphia and Dallas.

Hopefully they make some good choices and get some better injury luck than 2022.

It would be pretty cool...  
Johnny5 : 3/12/2023 5:03 pm : link
... to have Tomlinson back. I like Okereke to at LB. I can understand bringing back Feliciano and Gates. Draft some guys and let them all compete. Draft some guys that put Feliciano on the bench as good depth. Same for Gates (if he doesn't round back to pre-injury form).
RE: I think it's very refreshing and exciting  
Payasdaddy : 3/12/2023 5:05 pm : link
In comment 16061032 arniefez said:
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that the Giants are being run by people who understand what it takes to build a winning NFL team in 2023.

IMO until the Giants greatly improve their D front 7 and the middle of their OL they won't be able to compete with Philadelphia and Dallas.

Hopefully they make some good choices and get some better injury luck than 2022.


Let’s see what transpires first in FA. Wouldn’t be surprised to see 3 or 4 defensive additions. Some vet depth. Some starter material
Yes, signing FAs where the need, talent and price line up  
gersh : 3/12/2023 5:16 pm : link
Makes the most sense
RE: RE: RE: RE: Question for the crew  
River Mike : 3/12/2023 5:25 pm : link
In comment 16061026 .McL. said:
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In comment 16061015 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 16061001 AG5686 said:


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What is the origin of the term asshat?
Im a newbie here



it was voted on.


I meant what does it mean


somebody with inside information


My recollection is that it was Randy's suggestion, and then voted on, but I could be wrong ... wouldn't be the first time, ask my ex-wives
David Long  
bc4life : 3/12/2023 5:30 pm : link
video
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Dean is absolute trash  
GiantsFan84 : 3/12/2023 5:32 pm : link
They better not go after him
Tomlinson's stats  
bc4life : 3/12/2023 5:34 pm : link
Look at his numbers when Giants did not re-sign him
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RE: I think it's very refreshing and exciting  
JohnG in Albany : 3/12/2023 5:36 pm : link
In comment 16061032 arniefez said:
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that the Giants are being run by people who understand what it takes to build a winning NFL team in 2023.

IMO until the Giants greatly improve their D front 7 and the middle of their OL they won't be able to compete with Philadelphia and Dallas.

Hopefully they make some good choices and get some better injury luck than 2022.



This roster still needs a very significant infusion of talent in many areas.

I too am optimistic about the new regime.


Lowry  
bc4life : 3/12/2023 5:38 pm : link
highlights
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Lowry  
bc4life : 3/12/2023 5:40 pm : link
stats
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Thanks for the info GD13...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/12/2023 5:40 pm : link
... this is why BBI is special.
Thank you GD13  
arniefez : 3/12/2023 6:09 pm : link
Listening to all the rumors/talk about the Giants strategy to improve the roster for 2023 the thought that comes to my mind is Football Moneyball.

Hear me out, since his opening press conference Joe Schoen has talked about the cost of certain positions in free agency vs the draft.

Hopefully by now most of us understand that Michael Lewis's Moneyball book had nothing to do with bunting or on base percentage. The principle point of the book Moneyball was the A's competing by acquiring players who were undervalued in the marketplace.

I think and I'm hopeful that's the strategy the Giants FO and coaching staff are going to use to sign several FA at least average starters for the DL depth, ILB above average starter (will be expensive but not LT or WR expensive), IOL (please spend some money and sign an experienced better than 2022 C) and TE blocking depth.

The previous GM did the opposite by setting the FA OT market with a record contract and then paid the very top of the market for an injured/declining FA WR. Both contracts were a disaster.

Coming up tomorrow is going to be another important week for the Giants.
Arnie  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/12/2023 6:17 pm : link
Solder was signed because of Reese's whiff. One of many, many from 2011-17. It did not work out but that is what happens when you draft like crap for many years.

What Schoen does understand and what he wants to do is build through the draft. He will have to do a much better job then both previous GM's or he then will be forced to go to FA.

Positional value is a guide but is not a end all. If you have a star at most position that makes a impact you pay them market value imv. What is important if you have heavy at one positional group you make it up elsewhere. Again, good drafting helps with this.
Arnie...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/12/2023 6:33 pm : link
...great points. LoS does a good job defining the idea, at least as I think that I understand it.
David Long  
Frbuff : 3/12/2023 7:40 pm : link
Just watched an interview on NFL Network and was asked what he’s looking for
He said good things like type of defense the DL also culture which was great
Btw.. I’m for signing him.. then he said sth which might not make us as attractive.. he also said one of the things he was looking for.. No state tax!!!

If we want him we probably need to overpay to compensate no taxes.. I don’t feel as confident since we are not going to overpay which btw.. we shouldn’t!
RE: David Long  
section125 : 3/12/2023 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16061210 Frbuff said:
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Just watched an interview on NFL Network and was asked what he’s looking for
He said good things like type of defense the DL also culture which was great
Btw.. I’m for signing him.. then he said sth which might not make us as attractive.. he also said one of the things he was looking for.. No state tax!!!

If we want him we probably need to overpay to compensate no taxes.. I don’t feel as confident since we are not going to overpay which btw.. we shouldn’t!


Think there are only 5 states without state income tax - Nevada, Tennessee, Florida, Texas and Washington.
Some Addtitional Tidbits  
GiantGrit : 3/12/2023 8:53 pm : link
I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.
RE: Some Addtitional Tidbits  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2023 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16061246 GiantGrit said:
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I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.


What WR or TE are worth trading for?
RE: Text I just received  
Sy'56 : 3/12/2023 9:25 pm : link
In comment 16060866 GoDeep13 said:
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“Wink loves A-gap pressure. There is a guy that should be available soon that Wink will pound the table for and absolutely LOVED in Baltimore.”

Thinking he means Za’Darius Smith


Calais
RE: RE: Text I just received  
Milton : 3/12/2023 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16061260 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 16060866 GoDeep13 said:


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“Wink loves A-gap pressure. There is a guy that should be available soon that Wink will pound the table for and absolutely LOVED in Baltimore.”

Thinking he means Za’Darius Smith



Calais
Ravens save $7M if/when he is released.
RE: Some Addtitional Tidbits  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2023 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16061246 GiantGrit said:
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I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.


I am wondering if Evans in TB will become available as well as Davis (Buff), Jeudy (Den), Hopkins ( AZ, already known trade possibility), Waller TE (LV), Davis/Mins (NYJ), Bateman (Balt), Pittman (Indy) and Ayiuk (SF).
Ayiuk in Dabolls  
mphbullet36 : 3/12/2023 10:14 pm : link
offense would be a thing of beauty...not sure what it would cost but thats the one guy that really intrigues me.
Lines of Scrimmage  
arniefez : 3/12/2023 10:19 pm : link
I think there is no reason and no excuse for the Solder contract. Gettleman took over a bad situation and made it way worse. He gets no pass for that from me.
RE: Tomlinson looked like  
allstarjim : 3/12/2023 10:31 pm : link
In comment 16060937 mittenedman said:
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he had plenty of juice left in those Vikings games. He screwed up a few of our running plays.


Tomlinson is #94:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwmk620YCtw
RE: RE: Text I just received  
allstarjim : 3/12/2023 10:36 pm : link
In comment 16061260 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 16060866 GoDeep13 said:


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“Wink loves A-gap pressure. There is a guy that should be available soon that Wink will pound the table for and absolutely LOVED in Baltimore.”

Thinking he means Za’Darius Smith



Calais


37 years old in week 1. I've always liked him, reminds me a little of Chris Canty. Campbell needs 1 more sack for career 100.

I do have some mixed feelings about that as he's so long in the tooth.

You know there's another guy who played last season with the Ravens, also a little long in the tooth but can certainly generate A-gap pressure... who is a free agent, and that is Mr. Jason Pierre-Paul.

Sy, your thoughts on a Dalvin Tomlinson reunion? I don't see it. My thought is Dalvin would likely prefer a place he would have a clearer path to start. If he signs with NY, it would be for a rotational DT money to give Dex a blow and play on short-yardage/goal line sub-packages, most likely. They aren't likely to play Dalvin at DE. Tomlinson just turned 29 years old, I don't see him at the point in his career where he'd be at peace with signing just as rotational depth. I don't see this situation as one that matches up with him.
RE: RE: RE: Text I just received  
Payasdaddy : 3/12/2023 11:03 pm : link
In comment 16061308 allstarjim said:
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In comment 16061260 Sy'56 said:


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In comment 16060866 GoDeep13 said:


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“Wink loves A-gap pressure. There is a guy that should be available soon that Wink will pound the table for and absolutely LOVED in Baltimore.”

Thinking he means Za’Darius Smith



Calais



37 years old in week 1. I've always liked him, reminds me a little of Chris Canty. Campbell needs 1 more sack for career 100.

I do have some mixed feelings about that as he's so long in the tooth.

You know there's another guy who played last season with the Ravens, also a little long in the tooth but can certainly generate A-gap pressure... who is a free agent, and that is Mr. Jason Pierre-Paul.

Sy, your thoughts on a Dalvin Tomlinson reunion? I don't see it. My thought is Dalvin would likely prefer a place he would have a clearer path to start. If he signs with NY, it would be for a rotational DT money to give Dex a blow and play on short-yardage/goal line sub-packages, most likely. They aren't likely to play Dalvin at DE. Tomlinson just turned 29 years old, I don't see him at the point in his career where he'd be at peace with signing just as rotational depth. I don't see this situation as one that matches up with him.

3rd rotational DT usually gets a good amount of PT ( like a 3rd cb). Wouldn’t be lacking for snaps. jMHO
I have to backtrack a little  
allstarjim : 3/12/2023 11:04 pm : link
Because not sure Wink could've absolutely loved JPP in Baltimore since JPP's only season in Baltimore was last season.

Here's a guy that is really interesting to me...Demarcus Walker. Walker, former Florida State standout, is a 6'4" 280 DE. Things didn't really workout in Denver, just kind of alright there during his 4 years there, really only contributed a little the last two. Then he went to Houston where he didn't really distinguish himself there either.

But then he plays in Tennessee last year, and here's where it gets interesting. He has 7 sacks, 16 QB hits, and 10 TFLs, with 32 total tackles. But he also only had 6 starts, and played just 37% of Tennessee's defensive snaps on the year, just 426 total.

Now, the big ticket DE this offseason in free agency is Javon Hargrave from Philly. He played 712 defensive snaps for the Eagles, had 60 tackles, 11 sacks...and get this...16 QB hits and 10 TFLs...the same as DeMarcus Walker. Wondering if Walker is just starting to unlock something. Walker's 7 sacks on 426 snaps translates to a sack every 60.85 snaps.

That's a really high rate, nearly elite. For example, a lot of DE starters get around 800 snaps...if Walker sustained that rate and got full-time starter reps, that would translate to 13+ sacks. Now, I understand this isn't how football works, and obviously the longer you are on the field the more diminished the returns can be, but still, that's impressive, and it seems to have come out of nowhere.
That's great intel Jim...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/12/2023 11:38 pm : link
...!
I like Germaine Pratt of the Bengals a lot too at ILB.  
Optimus-NY : 3/13/2023 7:27 am : link
A'Shawn Robinson is a talented multifaceted DL. Greedy Williams coming to the NYG to play CB alongside his brother would be a nice signing too.
The Giants number one LB target isn’t even listed in the OP  
Essex : 3/13/2023 7:49 am : link
look very close to home on that one (and not the Jets).
RE: I like Germaine Pratt of the Bengals a lot too at ILB.  
ColHowPepper : 3/13/2023 8:03 am : link
In comment 16061429 Optimus-NY said:
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A'Shawn Robinson is a talented multifaceted DL. Greedy Williams coming to the NYG to play CB alongside his brother would be a nice signing too.
Optimus, I'd agree if his brother could see the field !
ASJ  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/13/2023 8:38 am : link
Hargrave is interesting but he is a DT. Perhaps he can also play at DE in your 3 man fronts. I do think finding that bigger DE who excels in run defense and can give you some good rush is one of the highest priorities this offseason. Having someone that can slide in at DT at times is ideal.

Run defense gave up 145 yards/game. Against division opponents over 160/game. I think DE, OLB and ILB all need attention.
Good to see ascending players on that list of front seven targets  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/13/2023 8:58 am : link
Allen, Walker, Okereke, D.Walker, and Pratt all seem to have hit their stride in the last year or two. There's some "one-year wonder / play for a payday" risk, but there's also a good chance that their best football is still ahead of them.

Lines of Scrimmage: Blaming Jerry Reese for the Nate Solder signing is... creative. Reese was responsible for drafting Ereck Flowers and passing on Laremy Tunsil. Those were awful decisions, but they didn't force Dave Gettleman's hand. Signing Solder was an integral part of Gettleman's "Win now with Eli" fantasy. The mess he inherited was a compelling reason not to throw money at older vets like Solder. The team needed a tear-down. Gettleman went for a quick fix.
I'd to see Joe S  
MotownGIANTS : 3/13/2023 9:14 am : link
cluster draft early at WR & D (CB and ILB/OLB) ... 2 WR, 1 CB and 1 LB rd 1 thru 3 ... we got a fair amount of holes so go BPA 4 and 5 ... take some swings 6 thru 7.

I am not expecting a lot in FA ILB* stop gap 1 to 2 years S (love or otherwise) a tier 2 vet at WR or TE.


*Maybe he does something there semi-splashy but it should be a magically contract.
BBB  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/13/2023 9:20 am : link
The signing was horrible and I was just pointing out how poor drafts and in this case of a high premium pick has major consequences.

It was a terribly executed plan by Dave but I also do not believe he had the authority to conduct a tear down. For me, I think Mara wanted to put the best team together possible and let Eli finish his contract on good terms. It was a colossal failure but I understood the reasoning.

Onwards we go.


There's a lot of money on that list  
AcesUp : 3/13/2023 9:42 am : link
Mostly second tier names at LB but those are some of the bigger names at CB and DL. Two positions that tend to get paid.
RE: I have to backtrack a little  
GoDeep13 : 3/13/2023 10:17 am : link
In comment 16061334 allstarjim said:
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Because not sure Wink could've absolutely loved JPP in Baltimore since JPP's only season in Baltimore was last season.

Here's a guy that is really interesting to me...Demarcus Walker. Walker, former Florida State standout, is a 6'4" 280 DE. Things didn't really workout in Denver, just kind of alright there during his 4 years there, really only contributed a little the last two. Then he went to Houston where he didn't really distinguish himself there either.

But then he plays in Tennessee last year, and here's where it gets interesting. He has 7 sacks, 16 QB hits, and 10 TFLs, with 32 total tackles. But he also only had 6 starts, and played just 37% of Tennessee's defensive snaps on the year, just 426 total.

Now, the big ticket DE this offseason in free agency is Javon Hargrave from Philly. He played 712 defensive snaps for the Eagles, had 60 tackles, 11 sacks...and get this...16 QB hits and 10 TFLs...the same as DeMarcus Walker. Wondering if Walker is just starting to unlock something. Walker's 7 sacks on 426 snaps translates to a sack every 60.85 snaps.

That's a really high rate, nearly elite. For example, a lot of DE starters get around 800 snaps...if Walker sustained that rate and got full-time starter reps, that would translate to 13+ sacks. Now, I understand this isn't how football works, and obviously the longer you are on the field the more diminished the returns can be, but still, that's impressive, and it seems to have come out of nowhere.
Interesting tidbit on Walker.

Struggled with a stutter growing up all the way through college. Has worked on it and just started doing team interviews recently. Says it’s helped him a lot with his confidence. He has a foundation for kids with speech impediments.

Think there is a certain young member on the Giants he could be a good bet for?
walker was a monster at fsu  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 10:20 am : link
i like the type of player they are apparently targeting. calais and zach allen also fit. oversized disruptors who can pressure the passer and play physical. there was way too big of a drop off from williams/lawrence to anyone else, sounds like they are looking to upgrade jihad ward and if he comes back it would be more of a depth role vs starting - which is the right call.
Resigning  
Doubledeuce22 : 3/13/2023 10:44 am : link
Gates/Feliciano would be extremely disappointing. There are much better options out there at OC and it's way too important of a position to ignore.
RE: Resigning  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 10:47 am : link
In comment 16061568 Doubledeuce22 said:
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Gates/Feliciano would be extremely disappointing. There are much better options out there at OC and it's way too important of a position to ignore.


who are the much better options?
RE: It seems  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/13/2023 10:49 am : link
In comment 16060830 Spider43 said:
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We're likely going with WR at #25, judging from those FA rumors.

The FA WR class is pretty weak, so it stands to reason that there wouldn't be a ton of rumored FA activity for a WR. Does anyone want to pay top dollar for Jakobi Meyers or D.J. Chark?

I think the WR help will come via draft picks, either as rookie selections or in trade, because there's nowhere else to find a player who even resembles a WR1 when you squint really hard.
Wonder if they will re-sign Jihad Ward  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2023 10:51 am : link
Wink loves him. I would like him back.
Re: Reese and Solder  
Toth029 : 3/13/2023 11:00 am : link
Andrew Whitworth wanted to come to the Giants, but he stuck with Ereck Flowers and Bobby Hart.

Whoosh.
RE: Resigning  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/13/2023 11:01 am : link
In comment 16061568 Doubledeuce22 said:
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Gates/Feliciano would be extremely disappointing. There are much better options out there at OC and it's way too important of a position to ignore.


Gates injury seems to be the type that a player can return from but isn't quite the same until year 2 of the recovery in terms of full strength and explosion.
Some insight on Schoen's interest in retaining Feliciano  
KingBlue : 3/13/2023 11:10 am : link
This from today's NY Post article linked below:

“We had Feliciano in Buffalo with us, and it’s not just on the field with some of these guys,’’ Schoen said. “Leadership in the locker room and within their position group that you really gotta make sure you don’t let a lot of leadership walk out of the building, and that’s gonna be a concerted effort for some of these guys — backups, starters, whatever it may be, we want to retain some of our leadership.’’




Joe Schoen to prioritize own free agents - ( New Window )
RE: ASJ  
allstarjim : 3/13/2023 11:56 am : link
In comment 16061461 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Hargrave is interesting but he is a DT. Perhaps he can also play at DE in your 3 man fronts. I do think finding that bigger DE who excels in run defense and can give you some good rush is one of the highest priorities this offseason. Having someone that can slide in at DT at times is ideal.

Run defense gave up 145 yards/game. Against division opponents over 160/game. I think DE, OLB and ILB all need attention.


Yes, he would be a DE in a 3-4 system that the Giants currently run. He's a DT in the Eagles' 4-3 system.
looks like someone read this thread  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 12:21 pm : link
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan
Some names I'm watching for Giants as the negotiating window opens: ILBs Germain Pratt, Bobby Okereke, Drue Tranquil; WRs Odell Beckham Jr., Nelson Agholor; TE Irv Smith Jr. and Dan Arnold; DL Hassan Ridgeway, A'Shawn Robinson, Sheldon Rankins
I stated I want ed Pratt and Robinson  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2023 12:33 pm : link
Smith would be interesting at TE.

Part of my would love to see 13 back in blue. Part of me says careful what you wish for lol
RE: looks like someone read this thread  
Anakim : 3/13/2023 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16061711 Eric on Li said:
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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan
Some names I'm watching for Giants as the negotiating window opens: ILBs Germain Pratt, Bobby Okereke, Drue Tranquil; WRs Odell Beckham Jr., Nelson Agholor; TE Irv Smith Jr. and Dan Arnold; DL Hassan Ridgeway, A'Shawn Robinson, Sheldon Rankins


Dear God. Please no Agholor.
RE: looks like someone read this thread  
AcesUp : 3/13/2023 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16061711 Eric on Li said:
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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan
Some names I'm watching for Giants as the negotiating window opens: ILBs Germain Pratt, Bobby Okereke, Drue Tranquil; WRs Odell Beckham Jr., Nelson Agholor; TE Irv Smith Jr. and Dan Arnold; DL Hassan Ridgeway, A'Shawn Robinson, Sheldon Rankins


So deep threats at WR and move TEs offensively.
RE: RE: looks like someone read this thread  
allstarjim : 3/13/2023 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16061740 Anakim said:
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In comment 16061711 Eric on Li said:


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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan
Some names I'm watching for Giants as the negotiating window opens: ILBs Germain Pratt, Bobby Okereke, Drue Tranquil; WRs Odell Beckham Jr., Nelson Agholor; TE Irv Smith Jr. and Dan Arnold; DL Hassan Ridgeway, A'Shawn Robinson, Sheldon Rankins



Dear God. Please no Agholor.


Agreed. Hands as bad as Slayton's.
would you trade for Jerry Jeudy  
Tom from LI : 3/13/2023 1:02 pm : link
for #25 if you are Schoen?

I would have to give it some serious thought.
RE: would you trade for Jerry Jeudy  
The Dude : 3/13/2023 1:03 pm : link
In comment 16061796 Tom from LI said:
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for #25 if you are Schoen?

I would have to give it some serious thought.


I think I speak for Joe, no. I believe he already said no to that per asshats. Thankfully.
RE: would you trade for Jerry Jeudy  
Stu11 : 3/13/2023 1:08 pm : link
In comment 16061796 Tom from LI said:
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for #25 if you are Schoen?

I would have to give it some serious thought.

No. He was drafted at #15 3 years ago and has 9 td's and 0 1000 yd seasons in 3 years. our 2nd rounder is all I'd even think about giving up. If they want a first too bad, move on to someone else.
RE: RE: would you trade for Jerry Jeudy  
Tom from LI : 3/13/2023 1:08 pm : link
In comment 16061800 The Dude said:
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for #25 if you are Schoen?

I would have to give it some serious thought.



I think I speak for Joe, no. I believe he already said no to that per asshats. Thankfully.


When he said no.. we were drafting in the mid teens.. Now we have the 25th pick.. Maybe that changes the dynamic a little?
RE: RE: Some Addtitional Tidbits  
GiantGrit : 3/13/2023 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16061283 jvm52106 said:
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I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.



I am wondering if Evans in TB will become available as well as Davis (Buff), Jeudy (Den), Hopkins ( AZ, already known trade possibility), Waller TE (LV), Davis/Mins (NYJ), Bateman (Balt), Pittman (Indy) and Ayiuk (SF).


Good list. LV is a team to watch. Over the target on Waller.
RE: RE: RE: Some Addtitional Tidbits  
The Dude : 3/13/2023 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16061817 GiantGrit said:
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I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.



I am wondering if Evans in TB will become available as well as Davis (Buff), Jeudy (Den), Hopkins ( AZ, already known trade possibility), Waller TE (LV), Davis/Mins (NYJ), Bateman (Balt), Pittman (Indy) and Ayiuk (SF).



Good list. LV is a team to watch. Over the target on Waller.


Appreciate all the info Grit!
Np  
GiantGrit : 3/13/2023 1:58 pm : link
Things change in a NY minute, I always like to finish w/ "we'll see".
Giants apparently  
GoDeep13 : 3/13/2023 2:21 pm : link
Closing in on a trade for WR. Final compensation the holding point. Team wants a 2nd. Giants offering their 3rd and a 5th rounder.
RE: Giants apparently  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/13/2023 2:23 pm : link
In comment 16061988 GoDeep13 said:
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Closing in on a trade for WR. Final compensation the holding point. Team wants a 2nd. Giants offering their 3rd and a 5th rounder.

Hmmm
RE: Giants apparently  
The Dude : 3/13/2023 2:27 pm : link
In comment 16061988 GoDeep13 said:
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Closing in on a trade for WR. Final compensation the holding point. Team wants a 2nd. Giants offering their 3rd and a 5th rounder.

!!
RE: Giants apparently  
JB_in_DC : 3/13/2023 2:29 pm : link
In comment 16061988 GoDeep13 said:
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Closing in on a trade for WR. Final compensation the holding point. Team wants a 2nd. Giants offering their 3rd and a 5th rounder.


Interesting!
RE: Giants apparently  
j_rud : 3/13/2023 2:30 pm : link
In comment 16061988 GoDeep13 said:
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Closing in on a trade for WR. Final compensation the holding point. Team wants a 2nd. Giants offering their 3rd and a 5th rounder.


Gotta be revisting talks with Denver with that deal they just gave out. Wonder if it's still Jeudy tho...as someone said on another thread, Sutton could be a more likely option at this point.
I wonder who the WR could be?  
Tom from LI : 3/13/2023 2:31 pm : link
... Wasn't Hopkins price a 2nd?
I dont want a Hopkins  
blueblood : 3/13/2023 2:31 pm : link
no no no no no..
Wonder if it's  
JonC : 3/13/2023 2:31 pm : link
Jeudy again.
I really hope it's not Hopkins  
Larry from WV : 3/13/2023 2:32 pm : link
aging Vet coming off an injury. I'd rather invest in the draft,
sutton would be my guess  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 2:33 pm : link
and i think it would be a solid move.
RE: Wonder if it's  
Tom from LI : 3/13/2023 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16062012 JonC said:
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Jeudy again.


A third and 5th would be a steal for Jeudy..
Stick to your guns...  
Chris in Philly : 3/13/2023 2:34 pm : link
Joe!!
RE: RE: Wonder if it's  
JonC : 3/13/2023 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16062024 Tom from LI said:
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Jeudy again.



A third and 5th would be a steal for Jeudy..


They were this close last Fall at same terms.
I really hope it is  
Amtoft : 3/13/2023 2:36 pm : link
Jeudy... I really think he hasn't fully reached what he could be yet. I also wouldn't mind D-Hop as he is one of the best WRs in the game. He would instantly give us a legit #1 WR and improve our offense more than probably any other player on the market. Now long term no but short term HUGE improvement.
Get it done Joe  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/13/2023 2:36 pm : link
!!!
trading Jeudy that low would make very little sense - his cap# is 4.8m  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 2:40 pm : link
next year he would be the 5yo (presumably) at 12.9m.

he was clicking with russell wilson down the stretch (post trade deadline) and as their best/cheapest receiver, why would they trade him for anything other than a really strong return?

he had his 3 best games of the year in the last 5 weeks, each obviously after the deadline.
Exciting stuff - thanks Go Deep!  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/13/2023 2:44 pm : link
Love this time of year!
found this..  
Tom from LI : 3/13/2023 2:44 pm : link

NYG Rumors and News
@NYGRumorMill
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33m
Rumor: Giants are closing in on a trade for WR Jerry Jeudy. Giants 2nd attempt at acquiring the Wideout. #TogetherBlue
Has 1 year left on his deal  
The Dude : 3/13/2023 2:45 pm : link
Jeudy
So if they make this trade  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/13/2023 2:46 pm : link
its almost Toney for Jeudy (although we lose years of cost control)
Are either Jeudy or Sutton...  
KingBlue : 3/13/2023 2:47 pm : link
considered a 1?
RE: Are either Jeudy or Sutton...  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/13/2023 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16062049 KingBlue said:
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considered a 1?


More important question, which one has better speed and separation skills, as that is what JD said they look for from the WR spot
RE: found this..  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/13/2023 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16062044 Tom from LI said:
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NYG Rumors and News
@NYGRumorMill
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33m
Rumor: Giants are closing in on a trade for WR Jerry Jeudy. Giants 2nd attempt at acquiring the Wideout. #TogetherBlue


I could be wrong. But I think this is just an account that is probably linked with BBI, seen the post and connecting the dots.
RE: found this..  
Mike in NJ : 3/13/2023 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16062044 Tom from LI said:
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NYG Rumors and News
@NYGRumorMill
·
33m
Rumor: Giants are closing in on a trade for WR Jerry Jeudy. Giants 2nd attempt at acquiring the Wideout. #TogetherBlue


Is that a reliable account?
JS  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/13/2023 2:50 pm : link
Not JD
That would be awesome  
AcesUp : 3/13/2023 2:52 pm : link
If legit
A 3 and 5  
AcesUp : 3/13/2023 2:53 pm : link
Sounds more in line with what would get Sutton (they just splurged on OT so might need to get contract off the books) but if that’s Jeudy even better.
RE: RE: found this..  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2023 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16062053 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 16062044 Tom from LI said:


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NYG Rumors and News
@NYGRumorMill
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33m
Rumor: Giants are closing in on a trade for WR Jerry Jeudy. Giants 2nd attempt at acquiring the Wideout. #TogetherBlue



Is that a reliable account?


I think he's tracking this thread and posting.
RE: RE: RE: found this..  
Tom from LI : 3/13/2023 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16062071 Matt in SGS said:
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I think he's tracking this thread and posting.


Gotch ya. Thanks!
Is it Jacoby Meyers?  
KingBlue : 3/13/2023 3:01 pm : link
not Jeudy?
Not today  
The Dude : 3/13/2023 3:03 pm : link
but lets leak fake asshat rumors and see if that account posts it.
False alarm on Meyers... someone started a thread  
KingBlue : 3/13/2023 3:03 pm : link
that was unconfirmed
RE: False alarm on Meyers... someone started a thread  
Amtoft : 3/13/2023 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16062100 KingBlue said:
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that was unconfirmed


He was a FA anyways.
RE: Giants apparently  
mfsd : 3/13/2023 3:15 pm : link
In comment 16061988 GoDeep13 said:
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Closing in on a trade for WR. Final compensation the holding point. Team wants a 2nd. Giants offering their 3rd and a 5th rounder.


Give them a 2024 2nd

Which will essentially be a 3rd after we win the Super Bowl:)
RE: Not today  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 3:26 pm : link
In comment 16062098 The Dude said:
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but lets leak fake asshat rumors and see if that account posts it.


That account on 1/23 posted “Giants closing in on a 4 yr 56mil deal with Barkley”

It’s clearly a fan/speculation account with 0 sources
RE: So if they make this trade  
Blue21 : 3/13/2023 3:43 pm : link
In comment 16062047 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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its almost Toney for Jeudy (although we lose years of cost control)
I d take that in a minute . Jeudy over Toney. Wow
Wonder if the wr  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/13/2023 3:57 pm : link
could be Aiyuk...
RE: Wonder if the wr  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/13/2023 3:57 pm : link
In comment 16062186 OBJ_AllDay said:
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could be Aiyuk...

Seems really low comp for BA
RE: Wonder if the wr  
The Dude : 3/13/2023 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16062186 OBJ_AllDay said:
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could be Aiyuk...


Would LOVE this...but i'm thinking SF can fetch alot more.....
Do  
bigfrank612 : 3/13/2023 9:08 pm : link
We have any more clarification who the player is or team, GoDeep13?
I’d guess it’s Jeudy (just speculation)  
Sean : 3/13/2023 10:08 pm : link
NYG was in talks with Denver before the deadline for Jeudy. There is a good relationship there with Daboll giving Payton a strong recommendation for Davis Webb. NYG needs a WR and Jeudy has links with Daboll from Alabama. Makes too much sense.

I think it gets done tomorrow.
The main problem with trading for a WR  
Cenotaph : 3/13/2023 11:17 pm : link
is that, while we get a bit better guarantee on production (maybe), we get a guy who has used up most of his rookie contract and will need to be resigned. So even if we get a guy who is slightly less effective in year 1, from the draft that guy may outperform a Jeudy in year 2, and won't need to be signed to big $.

I think we can find a guy in the draft this year that will be effective in our offense. Hopefully the value lines up; it's always a bit tricky as WR like QB can often get pushed up higher due to team needs. But we'll have to see how that plays out - and if the pick doesn't line up w/talent when we're on the clock, don't force it. Never good to force a 'need' pick.
would love to be wrong but i think a jeudy trade is wishful thinking  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 11:47 pm : link
he makes 4m and had his best year last year. 3 of his best games were in the last month, after they decided to hold him at the deadline presumably because nobody would meet their price. and before they hired sean payton and decided to clearly go for it asap.

why trade your best receiver for a 2nd round pick? saving 4m isn't a good reason.
RE: would love to be wrong but i think a jeudy trade is wishful thinking  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/14/2023 8:48 am : link
In comment 16062810 Eric on Li said:
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he makes 4m and had his best year last year. 3 of his best games were in the last month, after they decided to hold him at the deadline presumably because nobody would meet their price. and before they hired sean payton and decided to clearly go for it asap.

why trade your best receiver for a 2nd round pick? saving 4m isn't a good reason.


It makes sense if they plan on not paying him after this contract. And Russ damn sure is taking up a lot of cap space...
Elijah Moore  
AcesUp : 3/14/2023 8:55 am : link
Could be available if the Lazard to NYJ move comes to fruition. He’d track for the 3 and 5 compensation since we kind of set that market with Toney and he certainly fits our offense.
RE: Elijah Moore  
BigBlueShock : 3/14/2023 9:00 am : link
In comment 16062900 AcesUp said:
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Could be available if the Lazard to NYJ move comes to fruition. He’d track for the 3 and 5 compensation since we kind of set that market with Toney and he certainly fits our offense.

No way I’d give up a 3 and 5 for Elijah Moore. He’s decent but extremely overrated here on BBI. Also, this is a dude that demanded a trade and left the team for awhile last year because he wasn’t getting the ball enough. No thanks.
I thought he was a 1st rounder for some reason  
AcesUp : 3/14/2023 9:21 am : link
With 3 years of team control I think that would be very fair comp, it’s essentially flipping Toney for hin. It does change with only 2 years left on his rookie deal, regardless of the issues with him running his mouth, he’s still worth a flyer for less comp imo. Giants are going to do something unpopular with WR or TE before the draft - whether that’s as something as small as bringing Slayton back at wr starter money or a trade. I’m ok with swinging small and banking on upside.
I loved Moore in the draft  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/14/2023 9:22 am : link
but after watching him in the NFL, no thanks. Not a difference maker at all.
RE: RE: would love to be wrong but i think a jeudy trade is wishful thinking  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 9:47 am : link
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he makes 4m and had his best year last year. 3 of his best games were in the last month, after they decided to hold him at the deadline presumably because nobody would meet their price. and before they hired sean payton and decided to clearly go for it asap.

why trade your best receiver for a 2nd round pick? saving 4m isn't a good reason.



It makes sense if they plan on not paying him after this contract. And Russ damn sure is taking up a lot of cap space...


he is under contract this year cheap, and next year reasonably (less than sutton who is non-gtd then). they could save more this year by offloading sutton or tim patrick.

jeudy is healthier, more productive, and 4-5 years younger than both of them. the only reason for him to be odd man out is if he can bring back something significant in a trade.
RE: I'd to see Joe S  
MotownGIANTS : 3/14/2023 9:52 am : link
In comment 16061489 MotownGIANTS said:
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cluster draft early at WR & D (CB and ILB/OLB) ... 2 WR, 1 CB and 1 LB rd 1 thru 3 ... we got a fair amount of holes so go BPA 4 and 5 ... take some swings 6 thru 7.

I am not expecting a lot in FA ILB* stop gap 1 to 2 years S (love or otherwise) a tier 2 vet at WR or TE.


*Maybe he does something there semi-splashy but it should be a magical contract.



Ha ... I like it so far....lol
Can we get an update from GoDeep or Rico??  
kelsto811 : 3/14/2023 9:55 am : link
Come on guys, throw us a little something
I agree with Eric  
AcesUp : 3/14/2023 9:56 am : link
Sutton is likely way more available than Jeudy. They spent a lot of money yesterday and the immediacy of getting Suttons guaranteed 2023 off the books takes precedence over getting ahead on Jeudy. I've seen people speculation that GD13 is talking about Jeudy at a 3 and a 5 but if his info is accurate, it just seems too low to get Jeudy who I imagine is a 2 or more. If we're talking about a Broncos WR it's more likely to be Sutton at that compensation. Could be Hopkins at that comp too given the report of lukewarm interest yesterday.

Now if you're asking me who I prefer - it's Jeudy all day. I'd probably still prefer Jeudy at a 2 over Sutton at a 3+. That comp seems way too light and the Broncos priority in a trade seems to have flipped with Jeudy coming on late and the coaching change.
RE: Can we get an update from GoDeep or Rico??  
The Dude : 3/14/2023 9:57 am : link
In comment 16062980 kelsto811 said:
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Come on guys, throw us a little something


I've been checking in on this thread a handful of times a day, guilty.
RE: RE: Are either Jeudy or Sutton...  
Section331 : 3/14/2023 9:58 am : link
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considered a 1?



More important question, which one has better speed and separation skills, as that is what JD said they look for from the WR spot


Neither is a burner, but Jeudy is an elite route runner. There are other ways than pure speed to create separation. I’d prefer Jeudy, I think he is starting to figure things out, but Sutton would be a nice add too.
Jeudy  
The Dude : 3/14/2023 10:01 am : link
being the route runner of the two, feels like the better fit. JS was just quoted on saying we need WRs that get open.

But with one year left on his deal, what does a WR on an expiring contract fetch in a trade? A WR (by his draft slot) has underperformed.
RE: I agree with Eric  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 10:02 am : link
In comment 16062984 AcesUp said:
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Sutton is likely way more available than Jeudy. They spent a lot of money yesterday and the immediacy of getting Suttons guaranteed 2023 off the books takes precedence over getting ahead on Jeudy. I've seen people speculation that GD13 is talking about Jeudy at a 3 and a 5 but if his info is accurate, it just seems too low to get Jeudy who I imagine is a 2 or more. If we're talking about a Broncos WR it's more likely to be Sutton at that compensation. Could be Hopkins at that comp too given the report of lukewarm interest yesterday.

Now if you're asking me who I prefer - it's Jeudy all day. I'd probably still prefer Jeudy at a 2 over Sutton at a 3+. That comp seems way too light and the Broncos priority in a trade seems to have flipped with Jeudy coming on late and the coaching change.


also if we are comparing to what's avail in UFA, jeudy would be the #1 UFA by far and probably get at least as much as christian kirk last year - probably more.

which would be a lot more than OBJ gets, who is probably the best UFA WR (or meyers).

Sutton and Hopkins are each more comparable in value with OBJ. All 3 are on the older end with injury questions but talented enough to have 1 or 2 big years for someone.

the rest of the market for the most part is role players. none of the above are no-brainers (unless jeudy is really available cheap).
RE: Jeudy  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 10:03 am : link
In comment 16062995 The Dude said:
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being the route runner of the two, feels like the better fit. JS was just quoted on saying we need WRs that get open.

But with one year left on his deal, what does a WR on an expiring contract fetch in a trade? A WR (by his draft slot) has underperformed.


he has 2 years left at 17m total if they pick up his 5yo which they almost definitely will do.
RE: RE: RE: would love to be wrong but i think a jeudy trade is wishful thinking  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/14/2023 10:03 am : link
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he makes 4m and had his best year last year. 3 of his best games were in the last month, after they decided to hold him at the deadline presumably because nobody would meet their price. and before they hired sean payton and decided to clearly go for it asap.

why trade your best receiver for a 2nd round pick? saving 4m isn't a good reason.



It makes sense if they plan on not paying him after this contract. And Russ damn sure is taking up a lot of cap space...



he is under contract this year cheap, and next year reasonably (less than sutton who is non-gtd then). they could save more this year by offloading sutton or tim patrick.

jeudy is healthier, more productive, and 4-5 years younger than both of them. the only reason for him to be odd man out is if he can bring back something significant in a trade.


I think you captured just about every variable in the equation. The one other one is behind the scenes stuff we may not know about. Maybe there is some acrimony there for one reason or another.

But short of that, moving Sutton makes so much more sense. They are tight against the cap and his contract is much bigger than Jeudy's. He's also coming off an injury and hasn't quite looked as explosive as he has in the past.

Now Jeudy is 1 year away from a 5th year option that would make him a bit more costly and they could likely get a pretty good WR with a 2nd round pick. But I agree I just don't see them giving away Jeudy for anything less than a 2 at this point. Sutton maybe.
RE: RE: Jeudy  
The Dude : 3/14/2023 10:15 am : link
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being the route runner of the two, feels like the better fit. JS was just quoted on saying we need WRs that get open.

But with one year left on his deal, what does a WR on an expiring contract fetch in a trade? A WR (by his draft slot) has underperformed.



he has 2 years left at 17m total if they pick up his 5yo which they almost definitely will do.


good point, forgot about the 5th year option.
RE: Can we get an update from GoDeep or Rico??  
Klaatu : 3/14/2023 10:26 am : link
In comment 16062980 kelsto811 said:
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Come on guys, throw us a little something


RE: RE: RE: Some Addtitional Tidbits  
The Dude : 3/14/2023 3:05 pm : link
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I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.



I am wondering if Evans in TB will become available as well as Davis (Buff), Jeudy (Den), Hopkins ( AZ, already known trade possibility), Waller TE (LV), Davis/Mins (NYJ), Bateman (Balt), Pittman (Indy) and Ayiuk (SF).



Good list. LV is a team to watch. Over the target on Waller.


Good call Grit!
RE: RE: RE: Some Addtitional Tidbits  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/14/2023 3:15 pm : link
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I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.



I am wondering if Evans in TB will become available as well as Davis (Buff), Jeudy (Den), Hopkins ( AZ, already known trade possibility), Waller TE (LV), Davis/Mins (NYJ), Bateman (Balt), Pittman (Indy) and Ayiuk (SF).



Good list. LV is a team to watch. Over the target on Waller.


GiantGrit called it!
If they  
darren in pdx : 3/14/2023 3:39 pm : link
Can make Jeudy or Aiyuk happen + a solid draft pick this offense is going to take a leap next year.
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