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GoDeep13 : 3/12/2023 2:24 pm
Giants are gonna be big players in the DL/LB market. Been in constant contact with Agent gaging market. Biggest names to watch are Zach Allen formerly of Arizona, David Long Jr., Dalvin Tomlinson, A’Shawn Robinson, Dean Lowry, Demarcus Walker, Azeez Al-Shaair, Anthony Walker, Bobby Okereke and Germaine Pratt.

Giants also looking to add a CB. Inquired on Marcus Peters, Byron Murphy, Greedy Williams (brother of Rodarius), and Jamal Dean.

Giants looking to Resign their IOL (Gates and Feliciano) continue to add young pieces through draft.

Giants looking to add TE depth. Interest in Dan Arnold formerly of Jacksonville.
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not asshat info but there are some other cbs with links to wink/schoen  
Eric on Li : 3/12/2023 3:38 pm : link
2 being anthony averett and dane jackson. neither is a super star but both are probably affordable and offer a little more upside than moureau.

averett had the 2nd most press reps of any cb in football in 2021 under wink and he's from NJ (played at bama when daboll was there too). last year he had a 1 year 4m deal in LV but went on IR early in the year with a broken thumb and then reinjured it late.
Shore up on the Oline..  
prdave73 : 3/12/2023 3:50 pm : link
That's the key! Mainly through the draft.
Good  
WillVAB : 3/12/2023 3:52 pm : link
There’s good depth in FA at DL/LB this year. Solidifying the front 7 would be smart.
That’s a good group of DLs  
BillT : 3/12/2023 3:56 pm : link
Tomlinson, Lowry, Robinson, Walker. Think they are considering getting two of them. Or is it one and draft one. Either way it’s great to have that strong a group to chose from. Getting another sold player there is important.
Thanks for posting!  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/12/2023 4:01 pm : link
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RE: RE: If we are looking at CB  
Mike in NY : 3/12/2023 4:12 pm : link
In comment 16060925 bLiTz 2k said:
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I would take a look at Rock Ya-Sin. The area scout for Indy when he was drafted is now with us and I think he would fit Wink’s scheme.



He's been bad in the NFL. No thanks.


If you look at his numbers with Vegas they did improve. I think he could be available at the right price for Wink.
Thanks Go Deep  
Matt in SGS : 3/12/2023 4:19 pm : link
Zach Allen is a Boston College guy, so we know the Maras will be fans. But I'd love to see Dalvin return. #1 priority this offseason is to fix the run defense. They can't compete to win the NFC East unless they can slow down the Philly & Dallas running game.

And I agree with the posts above, I would think the Giants are leaning WR at #25.
 
christian : 3/12/2023 4:25 pm : link
I'd love for Schoen to reverse one of Gettleman's stupidest moves -- wrecking the really good rotation of the 2020 defensive line. Golladay over Tomlinson, facepalm.

The 3 year savings of cutting Golladay is 30M+. I'd love to see DT on a 3/30M deal.
Question for the crew  
AG5686 : 3/12/2023 4:28 pm : link
What is the origin of the term asshat?
Im a newbie here
As others have said  
.McL. : 3/12/2023 4:33 pm : link
I like the approach.

FA is good for filling depth, rotational players, and certain positions that are not the really expensive ones. So, my opinion of the optimal approach to FA...

DL rotational players and backups with an occasional starter
LB This is a fairly inexpensive position so starters, rotational and backups
CB backups
S rotational and backups with an occasional starter
Edge backups only

OT backups only
OG backups with an occasional starter
OC backups rarely a starter
TE rotational and backups with an occasional starter
RB all is fair game, but don't spend over about 5M on any player
WR 3, 4, and 5 WR again do not overpay
QB Backups only

Use the draft or trades to get your high end starters at WR, Edge and CB. And with very few exceptions use only the draft for your starting QB.
Thanks  
Toth029 : 3/12/2023 4:37 pm : link
Zach Allen would be a great addition.
I thought front 7  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/12/2023 4:39 pm : link
would be a big focus but they need another 5T, ILB and OLB. If DT is cheap then sure but he was not the type of player you keep and the market showed that. Lawrence, Davidson and ?

Now Linval Joseph was the one who got away during the early stages of the great destruction of the LOS under Reese.
RE: Question for the crew  
Eric on Li : 3/12/2023 4:43 pm : link
In comment 16061001 AG5686 said:
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What is the origin of the term asshat?
Im a newbie here


it was voted on.
RE: RE: Question for the crew  
AG5686 : 3/12/2023 4:45 pm : link
In comment 16061015 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16061001 AG5686 said:


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What is the origin of the term asshat?
Im a newbie here



it was voted on.

I meant what does it mean
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.McL. : 3/12/2023 4:49 pm : link
In comment 16061021 AG5686 said:
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In comment 16061001 AG5686 said:


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What is the origin of the term asshat?
Im a newbie here



it was voted on.


I meant what does it mean

somebody with inside information
RE: Nothing on  
ZogZerg : 3/12/2023 4:52 pm : link
In comment 16060831 Breeze_94 said:
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Edwards, Schultz, or Gesicki? Those names have been floated around by the beats quite a bit.

Edmunds and Irv Smith as well, to a lesser extent. Edmunds going to cost too much…


The Beats don't know anything.
I think it's very refreshing and exciting  
arniefez : 3/12/2023 4:54 pm : link
that the Giants are being run by people who understand what it takes to build a winning NFL team in 2023.

IMO until the Giants greatly improve their D front 7 and the middle of their OL they won't be able to compete with Philadelphia and Dallas.

Hopefully they make some good choices and get some better injury luck than 2022.

It would be pretty cool...  
Johnny5 : 3/12/2023 5:03 pm : link
... to have Tomlinson back. I like Okereke to at LB. I can understand bringing back Feliciano and Gates. Draft some guys and let them all compete. Draft some guys that put Feliciano on the bench as good depth. Same for Gates (if he doesn't round back to pre-injury form).
RE: I think it's very refreshing and exciting  
Payasdaddy : 3/12/2023 5:05 pm : link
In comment 16061032 arniefez said:
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that the Giants are being run by people who understand what it takes to build a winning NFL team in 2023.

IMO until the Giants greatly improve their D front 7 and the middle of their OL they won't be able to compete with Philadelphia and Dallas.

Hopefully they make some good choices and get some better injury luck than 2022.


Let’s see what transpires first in FA. Wouldn’t be surprised to see 3 or 4 defensive additions. Some vet depth. Some starter material
Yes, signing FAs where the need, talent and price line up  
gersh : 3/12/2023 5:16 pm : link
Makes the most sense
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River Mike : 3/12/2023 5:25 pm : link
In comment 16061026 .McL. said:
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In comment 16061001 AG5686 said:


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What is the origin of the term asshat?
Im a newbie here



it was voted on.


I meant what does it mean


somebody with inside information


My recollection is that it was Randy's suggestion, and then voted on, but I could be wrong ... wouldn't be the first time, ask my ex-wives
David Long  
bc4life : 3/12/2023 5:30 pm : link
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Dean is absolute trash  
GiantsFan84 : 3/12/2023 5:32 pm : link
They better not go after him
Tomlinson's stats  
bc4life : 3/12/2023 5:34 pm : link
Look at his numbers when Giants did not re-sign him
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RE: I think it's very refreshing and exciting  
JohnG in Albany : 3/12/2023 5:36 pm : link
In comment 16061032 arniefez said:
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that the Giants are being run by people who understand what it takes to build a winning NFL team in 2023.

IMO until the Giants greatly improve their D front 7 and the middle of their OL they won't be able to compete with Philadelphia and Dallas.

Hopefully they make some good choices and get some better injury luck than 2022.



This roster still needs a very significant infusion of talent in many areas.

I too am optimistic about the new regime.


Lowry  
bc4life : 3/12/2023 5:38 pm : link
highlights
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Lowry  
bc4life : 3/12/2023 5:40 pm : link
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Thanks for the info GD13...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/12/2023 5:40 pm : link
... this is why BBI is special.
Thank you GD13  
arniefez : 3/12/2023 6:09 pm : link
Listening to all the rumors/talk about the Giants strategy to improve the roster for 2023 the thought that comes to my mind is Football Moneyball.

Hear me out, since his opening press conference Joe Schoen has talked about the cost of certain positions in free agency vs the draft.

Hopefully by now most of us understand that Michael Lewis's Moneyball book had nothing to do with bunting or on base percentage. The principle point of the book Moneyball was the A's competing by acquiring players who were undervalued in the marketplace.

I think and I'm hopeful that's the strategy the Giants FO and coaching staff are going to use to sign several FA at least average starters for the DL depth, ILB above average starter (will be expensive but not LT or WR expensive), IOL (please spend some money and sign an experienced better than 2022 C) and TE blocking depth.

The previous GM did the opposite by setting the FA OT market with a record contract and then paid the very top of the market for an injured/declining FA WR. Both contracts were a disaster.

Coming up tomorrow is going to be another important week for the Giants.
Arnie  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/12/2023 6:17 pm : link
Solder was signed because of Reese's whiff. One of many, many from 2011-17. It did not work out but that is what happens when you draft like crap for many years.

What Schoen does understand and what he wants to do is build through the draft. He will have to do a much better job then both previous GM's or he then will be forced to go to FA.

Positional value is a guide but is not a end all. If you have a star at most position that makes a impact you pay them market value imv. What is important if you have heavy at one positional group you make it up elsewhere. Again, good drafting helps with this.
Arnie...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/12/2023 6:33 pm : link
...great points. LoS does a good job defining the idea, at least as I think that I understand it.
David Long  
Frbuff : 3/12/2023 7:40 pm : link
Just watched an interview on NFL Network and was asked what he’s looking for
He said good things like type of defense the DL also culture which was great
Btw.. I’m for signing him.. then he said sth which might not make us as attractive.. he also said one of the things he was looking for.. No state tax!!!

If we want him we probably need to overpay to compensate no taxes.. I don’t feel as confident since we are not going to overpay which btw.. we shouldn’t!
RE: David Long  
section125 : 3/12/2023 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16061210 Frbuff said:
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Just watched an interview on NFL Network and was asked what he’s looking for
He said good things like type of defense the DL also culture which was great
Btw.. I’m for signing him.. then he said sth which might not make us as attractive.. he also said one of the things he was looking for.. No state tax!!!

If we want him we probably need to overpay to compensate no taxes.. I don’t feel as confident since we are not going to overpay which btw.. we shouldn’t!


Think there are only 5 states without state income tax - Nevada, Tennessee, Florida, Texas and Washington.
Some Addtitional Tidbits  
GiantGrit : 3/12/2023 8:53 pm : link
I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.
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Rjanyg : 3/12/2023 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16061246 GiantGrit said:
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I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.


What WR or TE are worth trading for?
RE: Text I just received  
Sy'56 : 3/12/2023 9:25 pm : link
In comment 16060866 GoDeep13 said:
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“Wink loves A-gap pressure. There is a guy that should be available soon that Wink will pound the table for and absolutely LOVED in Baltimore.”

Thinking he means Za’Darius Smith


Calais
RE: RE: Text I just received  
Milton : 3/12/2023 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16061260 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 16060866 GoDeep13 said:


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“Wink loves A-gap pressure. There is a guy that should be available soon that Wink will pound the table for and absolutely LOVED in Baltimore.”

Thinking he means Za’Darius Smith



Calais
Ravens save $7M if/when he is released.
RE: Some Addtitional Tidbits  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2023 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16061246 GiantGrit said:
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I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.


I am wondering if Evans in TB will become available as well as Davis (Buff), Jeudy (Den), Hopkins ( AZ, already known trade possibility), Waller TE (LV), Davis/Mins (NYJ), Bateman (Balt), Pittman (Indy) and Ayiuk (SF).
Ayiuk in Dabolls  
mphbullet36 : 3/12/2023 10:14 pm : link
offense would be a thing of beauty...not sure what it would cost but thats the one guy that really intrigues me.
Lines of Scrimmage  
arniefez : 3/12/2023 10:19 pm : link
I think there is no reason and no excuse for the Solder contract. Gettleman took over a bad situation and made it way worse. He gets no pass for that from me.
RE: Tomlinson looked like  
allstarjim : 3/12/2023 10:31 pm : link
In comment 16060937 mittenedman said:
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he had plenty of juice left in those Vikings games. He screwed up a few of our running plays.


Tomlinson is #94:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwmk620YCtw
RE: RE: Text I just received  
allstarjim : 3/12/2023 10:36 pm : link
In comment 16061260 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 16060866 GoDeep13 said:


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“Wink loves A-gap pressure. There is a guy that should be available soon that Wink will pound the table for and absolutely LOVED in Baltimore.”

Thinking he means Za’Darius Smith



Calais


37 years old in week 1. I've always liked him, reminds me a little of Chris Canty. Campbell needs 1 more sack for career 100.

I do have some mixed feelings about that as he's so long in the tooth.

You know there's another guy who played last season with the Ravens, also a little long in the tooth but can certainly generate A-gap pressure... who is a free agent, and that is Mr. Jason Pierre-Paul.

Sy, your thoughts on a Dalvin Tomlinson reunion? I don't see it. My thought is Dalvin would likely prefer a place he would have a clearer path to start. If he signs with NY, it would be for a rotational DT money to give Dex a blow and play on short-yardage/goal line sub-packages, most likely. They aren't likely to play Dalvin at DE. Tomlinson just turned 29 years old, I don't see him at the point in his career where he'd be at peace with signing just as rotational depth. I don't see this situation as one that matches up with him.
RE: RE: RE: Text I just received  
Payasdaddy : 3/12/2023 11:03 pm : link
In comment 16061308 allstarjim said:
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In comment 16061260 Sy'56 said:


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In comment 16060866 GoDeep13 said:


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“Wink loves A-gap pressure. There is a guy that should be available soon that Wink will pound the table for and absolutely LOVED in Baltimore.”

Thinking he means Za’Darius Smith



Calais



37 years old in week 1. I've always liked him, reminds me a little of Chris Canty. Campbell needs 1 more sack for career 100.

I do have some mixed feelings about that as he's so long in the tooth.

You know there's another guy who played last season with the Ravens, also a little long in the tooth but can certainly generate A-gap pressure... who is a free agent, and that is Mr. Jason Pierre-Paul.

Sy, your thoughts on a Dalvin Tomlinson reunion? I don't see it. My thought is Dalvin would likely prefer a place he would have a clearer path to start. If he signs with NY, it would be for a rotational DT money to give Dex a blow and play on short-yardage/goal line sub-packages, most likely. They aren't likely to play Dalvin at DE. Tomlinson just turned 29 years old, I don't see him at the point in his career where he'd be at peace with signing just as rotational depth. I don't see this situation as one that matches up with him.

3rd rotational DT usually gets a good amount of PT ( like a 3rd cb). Wouldn’t be lacking for snaps. jMHO
I have to backtrack a little  
allstarjim : 3/12/2023 11:04 pm : link
Because not sure Wink could've absolutely loved JPP in Baltimore since JPP's only season in Baltimore was last season.

Here's a guy that is really interesting to me...Demarcus Walker. Walker, former Florida State standout, is a 6'4" 280 DE. Things didn't really workout in Denver, just kind of alright there during his 4 years there, really only contributed a little the last two. Then he went to Houston where he didn't really distinguish himself there either.

But then he plays in Tennessee last year, and here's where it gets interesting. He has 7 sacks, 16 QB hits, and 10 TFLs, with 32 total tackles. But he also only had 6 starts, and played just 37% of Tennessee's defensive snaps on the year, just 426 total.

Now, the big ticket DE this offseason in free agency is Javon Hargrave from Philly. He played 712 defensive snaps for the Eagles, had 60 tackles, 11 sacks...and get this...16 QB hits and 10 TFLs...the same as DeMarcus Walker. Wondering if Walker is just starting to unlock something. Walker's 7 sacks on 426 snaps translates to a sack every 60.85 snaps.

That's a really high rate, nearly elite. For example, a lot of DE starters get around 800 snaps...if Walker sustained that rate and got full-time starter reps, that would translate to 13+ sacks. Now, I understand this isn't how football works, and obviously the longer you are on the field the more diminished the returns can be, but still, that's impressive, and it seems to have come out of nowhere.
That's great intel Jim...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/12/2023 11:38 pm : link
...!
I like Germaine Pratt of the Bengals a lot too at ILB.  
Optimus-NY : 3/13/2023 7:27 am : link
A'Shawn Robinson is a talented multifaceted DL. Greedy Williams coming to the NYG to play CB alongside his brother would be a nice signing too.
The Giants number one LB target isn’t even listed in the OP  
Essex : 3/13/2023 7:49 am : link
look very close to home on that one (and not the Jets).
RE: I like Germaine Pratt of the Bengals a lot too at ILB.  
ColHowPepper : 3/13/2023 8:03 am : link
In comment 16061429 Optimus-NY said:
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A'Shawn Robinson is a talented multifaceted DL. Greedy Williams coming to the NYG to play CB alongside his brother would be a nice signing too.
Optimus, I'd agree if his brother could see the field !
ASJ  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/13/2023 8:38 am : link
Hargrave is interesting but he is a DT. Perhaps he can also play at DE in your 3 man fronts. I do think finding that bigger DE who excels in run defense and can give you some good rush is one of the highest priorities this offseason. Having someone that can slide in at DT at times is ideal.

Run defense gave up 145 yards/game. Against division opponents over 160/game. I think DE, OLB and ILB all need attention.
Good to see ascending players on that list of front seven targets  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/13/2023 8:58 am : link
Allen, Walker, Okereke, D.Walker, and Pratt all seem to have hit their stride in the last year or two. There's some "one-year wonder / play for a payday" risk, but there's also a good chance that their best football is still ahead of them.

Lines of Scrimmage: Blaming Jerry Reese for the Nate Solder signing is... creative. Reese was responsible for drafting Ereck Flowers and passing on Laremy Tunsil. Those were awful decisions, but they didn't force Dave Gettleman's hand. Signing Solder was an integral part of Gettleman's "Win now with Eli" fantasy. The mess he inherited was a compelling reason not to throw money at older vets like Solder. The team needed a tear-down. Gettleman went for a quick fix.
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