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GoDeep13 : 3/12/2023 2:24 pm
Giants are gonna be big players in the DL/LB market. Been in constant contact with Agent gaging market. Biggest names to watch are Zach Allen formerly of Arizona, David Long Jr., Dalvin Tomlinson, A’Shawn Robinson, Dean Lowry, Demarcus Walker, Azeez Al-Shaair, Anthony Walker, Bobby Okereke and Germaine Pratt.

Giants also looking to add a CB. Inquired on Marcus Peters, Byron Murphy, Greedy Williams (brother of Rodarius), and Jamal Dean.

Giants looking to Resign their IOL (Gates and Feliciano) continue to add young pieces through draft.

Giants looking to add TE depth. Interest in Dan Arnold formerly of Jacksonville.
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That would be awesome  
AcesUp : 3/13/2023 2:52 pm : link
If legit
A 3 and 5  
AcesUp : 3/13/2023 2:53 pm : link
Sounds more in line with what would get Sutton (they just splurged on OT so might need to get contract off the books) but if that’s Jeudy even better.
RE: RE: found this..  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2023 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16062053 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 16062044 Tom from LI said:


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NYG Rumors and News
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Rumor: Giants are closing in on a trade for WR Jerry Jeudy. Giants 2nd attempt at acquiring the Wideout. #TogetherBlue



Is that a reliable account?


I think he's tracking this thread and posting.
RE: RE: RE: found this..  
Tom from LI : 3/13/2023 3:01 pm : link
In comment 16062071 Matt in SGS said:
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I think he's tracking this thread and posting.


Gotch ya. Thanks!
Is it Jacoby Meyers?  
KingBlue : 3/13/2023 3:01 pm : link
not Jeudy?
Not today  
The Dude : 3/13/2023 3:03 pm : link
but lets leak fake asshat rumors and see if that account posts it.
False alarm on Meyers... someone started a thread  
KingBlue : 3/13/2023 3:03 pm : link
that was unconfirmed
RE: False alarm on Meyers... someone started a thread  
Amtoft : 3/13/2023 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16062100 KingBlue said:
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that was unconfirmed


He was a FA anyways.
RE: Giants apparently  
mfsd : 3/13/2023 3:15 pm : link
In comment 16061988 GoDeep13 said:
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Closing in on a trade for WR. Final compensation the holding point. Team wants a 2nd. Giants offering their 3rd and a 5th rounder.


Give them a 2024 2nd

Which will essentially be a 3rd after we win the Super Bowl:)
RE: Not today  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 3:26 pm : link
In comment 16062098 The Dude said:
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but lets leak fake asshat rumors and see if that account posts it.


That account on 1/23 posted “Giants closing in on a 4 yr 56mil deal with Barkley”

It’s clearly a fan/speculation account with 0 sources
RE: So if they make this trade  
Blue21 : 3/13/2023 3:43 pm : link
In comment 16062047 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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its almost Toney for Jeudy (although we lose years of cost control)
I d take that in a minute . Jeudy over Toney. Wow
Wonder if the wr  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/13/2023 3:57 pm : link
could be Aiyuk...
RE: Wonder if the wr  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/13/2023 3:57 pm : link
In comment 16062186 OBJ_AllDay said:
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could be Aiyuk...

Seems really low comp for BA
RE: Wonder if the wr  
The Dude : 3/13/2023 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16062186 OBJ_AllDay said:
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could be Aiyuk...


Would LOVE this...but i'm thinking SF can fetch alot more.....
Do  
bigfrank612 : 3/13/2023 9:08 pm : link
We have any more clarification who the player is or team, GoDeep13?
I’d guess it’s Jeudy (just speculation)  
Sean : 3/13/2023 10:08 pm : link
NYG was in talks with Denver before the deadline for Jeudy. There is a good relationship there with Daboll giving Payton a strong recommendation for Davis Webb. NYG needs a WR and Jeudy has links with Daboll from Alabama. Makes too much sense.

I think it gets done tomorrow.
The main problem with trading for a WR  
Cenotaph : 3/13/2023 11:17 pm : link
is that, while we get a bit better guarantee on production (maybe), we get a guy who has used up most of his rookie contract and will need to be resigned. So even if we get a guy who is slightly less effective in year 1, from the draft that guy may outperform a Jeudy in year 2, and won't need to be signed to big $.

I think we can find a guy in the draft this year that will be effective in our offense. Hopefully the value lines up; it's always a bit tricky as WR like QB can often get pushed up higher due to team needs. But we'll have to see how that plays out - and if the pick doesn't line up w/talent when we're on the clock, don't force it. Never good to force a 'need' pick.
would love to be wrong but i think a jeudy trade is wishful thinking  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 11:47 pm : link
he makes 4m and had his best year last year. 3 of his best games were in the last month, after they decided to hold him at the deadline presumably because nobody would meet their price. and before they hired sean payton and decided to clearly go for it asap.

why trade your best receiver for a 2nd round pick? saving 4m isn't a good reason.
RE: would love to be wrong but i think a jeudy trade is wishful thinking  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/14/2023 8:48 am : link
In comment 16062810 Eric on Li said:
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he makes 4m and had his best year last year. 3 of his best games were in the last month, after they decided to hold him at the deadline presumably because nobody would meet their price. and before they hired sean payton and decided to clearly go for it asap.

why trade your best receiver for a 2nd round pick? saving 4m isn't a good reason.


It makes sense if they plan on not paying him after this contract. And Russ damn sure is taking up a lot of cap space...
Elijah Moore  
AcesUp : 3/14/2023 8:55 am : link
Could be available if the Lazard to NYJ move comes to fruition. He’d track for the 3 and 5 compensation since we kind of set that market with Toney and he certainly fits our offense.
RE: Elijah Moore  
BigBlueShock : 3/14/2023 9:00 am : link
In comment 16062900 AcesUp said:
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Could be available if the Lazard to NYJ move comes to fruition. He’d track for the 3 and 5 compensation since we kind of set that market with Toney and he certainly fits our offense.

No way I’d give up a 3 and 5 for Elijah Moore. He’s decent but extremely overrated here on BBI. Also, this is a dude that demanded a trade and left the team for awhile last year because he wasn’t getting the ball enough. No thanks.
I thought he was a 1st rounder for some reason  
AcesUp : 3/14/2023 9:21 am : link
With 3 years of team control I think that would be very fair comp, it’s essentially flipping Toney for hin. It does change with only 2 years left on his rookie deal, regardless of the issues with him running his mouth, he’s still worth a flyer for less comp imo. Giants are going to do something unpopular with WR or TE before the draft - whether that’s as something as small as bringing Slayton back at wr starter money or a trade. I’m ok with swinging small and banking on upside.
I loved Moore in the draft  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/14/2023 9:22 am : link
but after watching him in the NFL, no thanks. Not a difference maker at all.
RE: RE: would love to be wrong but i think a jeudy trade is wishful thinking  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 9:47 am : link
In comment 16062895 OBJ_AllDay said:
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he makes 4m and had his best year last year. 3 of his best games were in the last month, after they decided to hold him at the deadline presumably because nobody would meet their price. and before they hired sean payton and decided to clearly go for it asap.

why trade your best receiver for a 2nd round pick? saving 4m isn't a good reason.



It makes sense if they plan on not paying him after this contract. And Russ damn sure is taking up a lot of cap space...


he is under contract this year cheap, and next year reasonably (less than sutton who is non-gtd then). they could save more this year by offloading sutton or tim patrick.

jeudy is healthier, more productive, and 4-5 years younger than both of them. the only reason for him to be odd man out is if he can bring back something significant in a trade.
RE: I'd to see Joe S  
MotownGIANTS : 3/14/2023 9:52 am : link
In comment 16061489 MotownGIANTS said:
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cluster draft early at WR & D (CB and ILB/OLB) ... 2 WR, 1 CB and 1 LB rd 1 thru 3 ... we got a fair amount of holes so go BPA 4 and 5 ... take some swings 6 thru 7.

I am not expecting a lot in FA ILB* stop gap 1 to 2 years S (love or otherwise) a tier 2 vet at WR or TE.


*Maybe he does something there semi-splashy but it should be a magical contract.



Ha ... I like it so far....lol
Can we get an update from GoDeep or Rico??  
kelsto811 : 3/14/2023 9:55 am : link
Come on guys, throw us a little something
I agree with Eric  
AcesUp : 3/14/2023 9:56 am : link
Sutton is likely way more available than Jeudy. They spent a lot of money yesterday and the immediacy of getting Suttons guaranteed 2023 off the books takes precedence over getting ahead on Jeudy. I've seen people speculation that GD13 is talking about Jeudy at a 3 and a 5 but if his info is accurate, it just seems too low to get Jeudy who I imagine is a 2 or more. If we're talking about a Broncos WR it's more likely to be Sutton at that compensation. Could be Hopkins at that comp too given the report of lukewarm interest yesterday.

Now if you're asking me who I prefer - it's Jeudy all day. I'd probably still prefer Jeudy at a 2 over Sutton at a 3+. That comp seems way too light and the Broncos priority in a trade seems to have flipped with Jeudy coming on late and the coaching change.
RE: Can we get an update from GoDeep or Rico??  
The Dude : 3/14/2023 9:57 am : link
In comment 16062980 kelsto811 said:
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Come on guys, throw us a little something


I've been checking in on this thread a handful of times a day, guilty.
RE: RE: Are either Jeudy or Sutton...  
Section331 : 3/14/2023 9:58 am : link
In comment 16062051 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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considered a 1?



More important question, which one has better speed and separation skills, as that is what JD said they look for from the WR spot


Neither is a burner, but Jeudy is an elite route runner. There are other ways than pure speed to create separation. I’d prefer Jeudy, I think he is starting to figure things out, but Sutton would be a nice add too.
Jeudy  
The Dude : 3/14/2023 10:01 am : link
being the route runner of the two, feels like the better fit. JS was just quoted on saying we need WRs that get open.

But with one year left on his deal, what does a WR on an expiring contract fetch in a trade? A WR (by his draft slot) has underperformed.
RE: I agree with Eric  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 10:02 am : link
In comment 16062984 AcesUp said:
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Sutton is likely way more available than Jeudy. They spent a lot of money yesterday and the immediacy of getting Suttons guaranteed 2023 off the books takes precedence over getting ahead on Jeudy. I've seen people speculation that GD13 is talking about Jeudy at a 3 and a 5 but if his info is accurate, it just seems too low to get Jeudy who I imagine is a 2 or more. If we're talking about a Broncos WR it's more likely to be Sutton at that compensation. Could be Hopkins at that comp too given the report of lukewarm interest yesterday.

Now if you're asking me who I prefer - it's Jeudy all day. I'd probably still prefer Jeudy at a 2 over Sutton at a 3+. That comp seems way too light and the Broncos priority in a trade seems to have flipped with Jeudy coming on late and the coaching change.


also if we are comparing to what's avail in UFA, jeudy would be the #1 UFA by far and probably get at least as much as christian kirk last year - probably more.

which would be a lot more than OBJ gets, who is probably the best UFA WR (or meyers).

Sutton and Hopkins are each more comparable in value with OBJ. All 3 are on the older end with injury questions but talented enough to have 1 or 2 big years for someone.

the rest of the market for the most part is role players. none of the above are no-brainers (unless jeudy is really available cheap).
RE: Jeudy  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 10:03 am : link
In comment 16062995 The Dude said:
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being the route runner of the two, feels like the better fit. JS was just quoted on saying we need WRs that get open.

But with one year left on his deal, what does a WR on an expiring contract fetch in a trade? A WR (by his draft slot) has underperformed.


he has 2 years left at 17m total if they pick up his 5yo which they almost definitely will do.
RE: RE: RE: would love to be wrong but i think a jeudy trade is wishful thinking  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/14/2023 10:03 am : link
In comment 16062973 Eric on Li said:
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he makes 4m and had his best year last year. 3 of his best games were in the last month, after they decided to hold him at the deadline presumably because nobody would meet their price. and before they hired sean payton and decided to clearly go for it asap.

why trade your best receiver for a 2nd round pick? saving 4m isn't a good reason.



It makes sense if they plan on not paying him after this contract. And Russ damn sure is taking up a lot of cap space...



he is under contract this year cheap, and next year reasonably (less than sutton who is non-gtd then). they could save more this year by offloading sutton or tim patrick.

jeudy is healthier, more productive, and 4-5 years younger than both of them. the only reason for him to be odd man out is if he can bring back something significant in a trade.


I think you captured just about every variable in the equation. The one other one is behind the scenes stuff we may not know about. Maybe there is some acrimony there for one reason or another.

But short of that, moving Sutton makes so much more sense. They are tight against the cap and his contract is much bigger than Jeudy's. He's also coming off an injury and hasn't quite looked as explosive as he has in the past.

Now Jeudy is 1 year away from a 5th year option that would make him a bit more costly and they could likely get a pretty good WR with a 2nd round pick. But I agree I just don't see them giving away Jeudy for anything less than a 2 at this point. Sutton maybe.
RE: RE: Jeudy  
The Dude : 3/14/2023 10:15 am : link
In comment 16062998 Eric on Li said:
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being the route runner of the two, feels like the better fit. JS was just quoted on saying we need WRs that get open.

But with one year left on his deal, what does a WR on an expiring contract fetch in a trade? A WR (by his draft slot) has underperformed.



he has 2 years left at 17m total if they pick up his 5yo which they almost definitely will do.


good point, forgot about the 5th year option.
RE: Can we get an update from GoDeep or Rico??  
Klaatu : 3/14/2023 10:26 am : link
In comment 16062980 kelsto811 said:
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Come on guys, throw us a little something


RE: RE: RE: Some Addtitional Tidbits  
The Dude : 3/14/2023 3:05 pm : link
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I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.



I am wondering if Evans in TB will become available as well as Davis (Buff), Jeudy (Den), Hopkins ( AZ, already known trade possibility), Waller TE (LV), Davis/Mins (NYJ), Bateman (Balt), Pittman (Indy) and Ayiuk (SF).



Good list. LV is a team to watch. Over the target on Waller.


Good call Grit!
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gidiefor : Mod : 3/14/2023 3:15 pm : link
In comment 16061817 GiantGrit said:
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I have nothing to add on the FA front but the Giants are very engaged in the trade market for WR's and TE's.

Draft wise the only name I've heard thus far is Zay Flowers but its still early on that front.

Schoen's working the phones. Wouldn't be surprised to see a big trade happen.



I am wondering if Evans in TB will become available as well as Davis (Buff), Jeudy (Den), Hopkins ( AZ, already known trade possibility), Waller TE (LV), Davis/Mins (NYJ), Bateman (Balt), Pittman (Indy) and Ayiuk (SF).



Good list. LV is a team to watch. Over the target on Waller.


GiantGrit called it!
If they  
darren in pdx : 3/14/2023 3:39 pm : link
Can make Jeudy or Aiyuk happen + a solid draft pick this offense is going to take a leap next year.
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