Shepherd to re-sign with the giants

Come on dudes. It's for the minimum. I'm hoping Shep can get back...he seems like a good deal & bleeds Giants blue, evidenced of his antics on the sidelines.

It's swell that he's a great lockerroom guy and all, but he was pretty much a poor man's Chris Calloway at his peak who's always hurt to boot. We need to be adding explosiveness to this offense, not an injury prone plodder.

In comment 16061004 Big Blue Blogger said:

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… is this classified as a re-signing, or as an extension? If it goes into 2024, an extension would spread his $4MM+ dead-money hit.

i think that just depends on what the nyg prefer. with golladay it seems they preferred the hit now, with jones they pushed it to next year, my guess is they will take now because i think the strategy of pushing forward hits on players you expect to be key pieces (as opposed to adding future dead money on non key pieces).

In comment 16061034 christian said:

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So his cap charge on a minimum salary deal will be about 1.165M + the 4.245M.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but Shep is going to count for about $5.5 million against the cap given what you said here ^?

I don't think there is a cap mechanism to move the remainder of his previous bonuses to any year except 2023.

No matter how his new contract is structured, that 4.2M will count against the 2023 cap.

In comment 16061042 christian said:

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I don't think there is a cap mechanism to move the remainder of his previous bonuses to any year except 2023. No matter how his new contract is structured, that 4.2M will count against the 2023 cap.

Ah, ok. I was ok with the signing until learning this. I love Shep as a person, but in 2023 he's not worth that much of a cap hit, IMO.

In comment 16061041 Dave in Hoboken said:

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In comment 16061034 christian said: Quote: So his cap charge on a minimum salary deal will be about 1.165M + the 4.245M. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but Shep is going to count for about $5.5 million against the cap given what you said here ^?

He was always going to count 4.2M. If he signs a minimum, non-guaranteed 1-year deal for 2023 and is on the roster the whole year, yes.

So we're likely looking like this going into the season for now in my 1-7 WR ranks:

WR drafted in 1st thru 3rd round?
Wandale INJ?
C johnson? INJ?
Hodgins
Shep INJ?
Slayton
FA?

I don't see another way unless one of the INJ's acts out again (Shep) and we need more depth, which may be a concern not knowing anything about the rehab situation on Johnson and wandale.

Love it

But good move. You won’t find a better option for the vet min.

Say you you want about Shep, but it’s hard to argue the fact that he is a reliable and favorite target of DJ when he has been in the lineup the last 2 seasons.

Giants are desperate for competent NFL receivers and Shep is exactly that (when he Is healthy)

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In comment 16060954 GiantsFan84 said: Quote: . Kenny Golladay?

+1. I stand corrected

In the room?

In comment 16060916 Rudy5757 said:

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The guy hasn’t been healthy in forever. Unless it’s for the Vet minimum I think it’s a bad move. I’m ok with it at the vet minimum but man we need to get away from the perennial injury players.

You hate it and don't even know what "it" is LOL

this is a bad investment imho

but a signing like this makes me think there is some truth to the 'Giants fall in love with their own players' schtick.

Shep's a great guy and good for the locker room, so I get it from that angle, almost like Davis Webb in the QB room.

But there should be zero expectations that he's going to make the roster and contribute and it would be a poor choice to keep him around at the expense of a younger player just for the locker room. Hire him as a coach instead.

Great work here IMO

obviously staying healthy will be the key and the big question mark...

In comment 16060968 Beer Man said:

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that he makes it past the 4th game?

That's honestly the key question, lol.

to get up to 100%. or who knows maybe they PUP both of them and they are just "extra" players for midseason.

In comment 16061002 GiantBlue said:

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is they remove emotion from their roster. If a player exceeds their value chart or is a wounded duck; they are removed and replaced. The Giants seem to still have this loyalty thing and I wonder if this is Mara's doing. If Shep is going to be a coach, hire him as a coach. If he is a good cheerleader, hire him as an assistant to the assistant so he is in the building. But it is big leap to think he has the ability to play at a high level in the NFL with all these injury and concussion events now that he is 30.

It depends on whose emotion!
If it is for the owner or the fan base, you'd be correct.
But if it is for the team and the WR's room I'm all in.
A player's value is sometimes more than just personal stats if his presence and actual advice can improve the performance of others.

Besides the reaction of many on this thread seems to be equivalent to if he were guaranteed the #1 WR role along with Golloday's salary! Who said he'd even make it out of training camp?

Schoen continues to demonstrate loyalty is a two way street. To me this move is worth the 51st roster spot, if he makes it that far. Besides, MY emotion says he deserves it.

But injury prone he is. I expect he plays 6 games.

In comment 16061012 allstarjim said:

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They are good friends, I think this is a recruiting signing.

Bite your tongue!

of his injury history. He’s just another piece. Don’t forget, they need 90 plates for camp. Very likely, he doesn’t make the final 53.

I don’t think some of you guys realize how good of a leader Shep is. As Schoen said in his presser, “love Shep. Juice guy”. Totally fine w/ this for the vet min.

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I don’t think some of you guys realize how good of a leader Shep is. As Schoen said in his presser, “love Shep. Juice guy”. Totally fine w/ this for the vet min.

I think the guys who don’t see the value in Shep’s presence are the guys who never played football themselves.

It's about buy-in. If you want players to buy in to what you're preaching, you need to reward those who do everything right (like Shepard) and not reward those who don't (like Toney).

The guy has put it all on the line for the team. No problem with giving him a chance, at little cost, to see whether he can earn a roster spot. Tossing him aside would send the wrong message.

In comment 16061180 GiantGrit said:

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I don’t think some of you guys realize how good of a leader Shep is. As Schoen said in his presser, “love Shep. Juice guy”. Totally fine w/ this for the vet min.

Is he worth a roster spot though?

Time will show.

When it's said that you can't win a championship without elite wide receivers, that's probably true in this era.

But the Giants' receivers for the Parcells' Super Bowl wins:

Stacy Robinson
Bobby Johnson
Phil McConkey
Lionel Manuel
Stephen Baker (touchdown maker)
Mark Ingram
Odessa Turner

Those were just the names familiar to me.
Of course there was Bavaro, who played hurt and still produced.

Coughlin looked to have developed some very good receivers in Steve Smith, Nicks and Cruz. But all were out of football in three years.

I though Nicks could still play. He made the mistake of going to the Colts where he was 4th on Luck's checkdown after goto T.Y. Hilton (1345 yards in 2014), veteran Reggie Wayne, and TE Coby Fleener. He played in every game but was targeted 70 times. Once the fans got down on him as a Golladay-like waste of money, the few times he was thrown to he felt the pressure to do something special. Nerves got him.

The way he stayed with the team and remained on the sideline throughout last season is a reflection of what sort of player he is. He's a true Giant, and I hope he stays healthy and has a great season!

In comment 16061200 mfsd said:

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In comment 16061180 GiantGrit said: Quote: I don’t think some of you guys realize how good of a leader Shep is. As Schoen said in his presser, “love Shep. Juice guy”. Totally fine w/ this for the vet min. I think the guys who don’t see the value in Shep’s presence are the guys who never played football themselves.

Presence is not the same as availability; and I played. Leadership is much more effective when you are available. If the Giants value his presence, convince him to come back as a coach. Who else is signing a 30 year old WR with concussion history coming off back to back seasons with achilles and ACL injuries?

And if Shep has nothing left, will the Giants cut him this summer? Because if they do that then they don't really value his presence. So are they committed to carrying a 30 yr old just for his off the field presence?

Also, don't forget how long it took Barkley to get back to normal after an ACL and Shep is not as athletic. Have to believe that same recovery reason was why the Giants cut Martinez as well.

In comment 16061225 Fishmanjim57 said:

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The way he stayed with the team and remained on the sideline throughout last season is a reflection of what sort of player he is. He's a true Giant, and I hope he stays healthy and has a great season!

So hire a cheerleader. Much cheaper.

in NYC media said Jones requested Shep to be back. Also said his character and off-field mentoring is unmatched and a huge part of the current locker room chemistry.

also found it interesting he mentioned Julian Love is close to the same.

I think this is the right move.

It’s a vet min signing. If he can make the 53 then we’ll be happy they did this. If not there’s no harm in this and he’ll be released. WTH is there to get upset about.

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Sterling Shepard’s one-year deal with the Giants includes a base salary of $1.165M and $38,125 for each game that he is active. His 8th season with the team.

No guarantees. Nothing unless he makes the team

That was a bad tear courtesy of metlife turf. Shep can win comeback player of year

Shep is in shape, everyone loves him and he is cheap. Shep also has decent hands but not great speed. So for the money it's not a big deal. The younger WRs like him too

In comment 16061256 Larry in Pencilvania said:

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No guarantees. Nothing unless he makes the team

And that will be ‘the rub’; making the team, especially after the last of his annual injuries.
Let’s wait for how it’s structured.

In comment 16061233 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16061225 Fishmanjim57 said: Quote: The way he stayed with the team and remained on the sideline throughout last season is a reflection of what sort of player he is. He's a true Giant, and I hope he stays healthy and has a great season! So hire a cheerleader. Much cheaper.

Giants don't do cheerleaders...Shep was the closest the could find

In comment 16060972 eric2425ny said:

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When you look at the crappy FA receivers available this isn’t a bad move. They probably want him around to mentor the young receivers they will be drafting early.

Right. Price was right and he is a presence. When will he be ready to play?

In comment 16061277 Joe Beckwith said:

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In comment 16061256 Larry in Pencilvania said: Quote: No guarantees. Nothing unless he makes the team And that will be ‘the rub’; making the team, especially after the last of his annual injuries. Let’s wait for how it’s structured.

There's no signing bonus. It's a one year vet minimum deal with some extra cash for every game active. What structure

In comment 16061180 GiantGrit said:

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I don’t think some of you guys realize how good of a leader Shep is. As Schoen said in his presser, “love Shep. Juice guy”. Totally fine w/ this for the vet min.

They get it, they just don't care.

I'm fine with it. He's getting four million from us regardless, if he is fine with at/near vet minimum then I don't see the harm.

it's a good move. They're going to see what he has at camp and it's a low risk/low reward.

Worst case he continues to rehab and sticks around the locker room and continues to be a veteran presence.

For a vet guy that’s great in the locker room and easy to root for.

And pay him the vet minimum? Can’t that happen?


Shep is a GREAT guy and great sideline guy. We’ve just ended up relying on him so so so many times (which presumably won’t be here) and it’s completely blown up. Whether it’s a critical drop or it’s being severely injured (not his fault) that is why so many people have a bad taste regarding him. Which I get.

in in the room and in building the culture then make him a coach because he's mediocre when he actually plays and is always hurt.

5.2 million if he plays. Sounds like a bargain to me. I'm firmly in the camp of wait and see.

this team is not very good .

In comment 16060938 bw in dc said:

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In comment 16060916 Rudy5757 said: Quote: The guy hasn’t been healthy in forever. Unless it’s for the Vet minimum I think it’s a bad move. I’m ok with it at the vet minimum but man we need to get away from the perennial injury players. This X 100. A 30-year small WR who can't stay healthy does not add up.

What do you believe is the motive behind this move if you were to speculate? Where did the push to sign h8m come from and why? Very transparent to me.