the Giants overvalue their own players too much. Gillan was a poor punter last season, you don't pay poor punters, they're fungible. Sure he was a decent enough holder and there is merit in that but that's not really enough given his lackluster punting output.
the Giants overvalue their own players too much. Gillan was a poor punter last season, you don't pay poor punters, they're fungible. Sure he was a decent enough holder and there is merit in that but that's not really enough given his lackluster punting output.
He was right? You know more than the Giants personnel department? The current regime hasn’t shown you that Lombardi, per usual is FOS?
Those numbers mean nothing until we see the guarantees…
… and the salary difference between year 1 and year 2. My guess is that the total guarantees are low and the second year is basically a team option, with a salary he’ll probably never see. Gillan’s job security likely remains negligible.
having play-by-play guys announce his nickname to us, as if they’re telling us breaking news. Maybe it wouldn’t be so infuriating if the guy ever dropped a coffin-corner job at the 4, or even just got the ball to die inside the 15 rather than end-over-ending out of the back of the end zone.
By the way, in case you hadn’t heard, his nickname is The Scottish Hammer! Woo!
His nickname is the best part about him and his hair
the Giants overvalue their own players too much. Gillan was a poor punter last season, you don't pay poor punters, they're fungible. Sure he was a decent enough holder and there is merit in that but that's not really enough given his lackluster punting output.
He was right? You know more than the Giants personnel department? The current regime hasn’t shown you that Lombardi, per usual is FOS?
Gillan had a net punt of 40.6 yards with his 70 punts, that was the 4th worst of any punter with more than 50 punts (27 punters had more than 50 punts last season). He had the 2nd highest number of touchbacks (9), and he was middle of the pack at best punts landed in the 20 (15th with 26).
That's eminently replaceable, certainly not a performance worthy of a multi-year deal.
RE: Those numbers mean nothing until we see the guarantees…
… and the salary difference between year 1 and year 2. My guess is that the total guarantees are low and the second year is basically a team option, with a salary he’ll probably never see. Gillan’s job security likely remains negligible.
the Giants overvalue their own players too much. Gillan was a poor punter last season, you don't pay poor punters, they're fungible. Sure he was a decent enough holder and there is merit in that but that's not really enough given his lackluster punting output.
He was right? You know more than the Giants personnel department? The current regime hasn’t shown you that Lombardi, per usual is FOS?
Gillan had a net punt of 40.6 yards with his 70 punts, that was the 4th worst of any punter with more than 50 punts (27 punters had more than 50 punts last season). He had the 2nd highest number of touchbacks (9), and he was middle of the pack at best punts landed in the 20 (15th with 26).
That's eminently replaceable, certainly not a performance worthy of a multi-year deal.
Again,
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Those numbers mean nothing until we see the guarantees…
Big Blue Blogger : 7:22 am : link : reply
… and the salary difference between year 1 and year 2. My guess is that the total guarantees are low and the second year is basically a team option, with a salary he’ll probably never see. Gillan’s job security likely remains negligible.
This crazy thing called player development. You take a young raw player with upside and then you have the coaches you are paying to coach these guys, and have them show them how they can improve ! You guys should check it out.
… and the salary difference between year 1 and year 2. My guess is that the total guarantees are low and the second year is basically a team option, with a salary he’ll probably never see. Gillan’s job security likely remains negligible.
I just bought an English War Hammer so I'm predisposed to like hammers, but I figure the Giants will still bring in some competition for Gillan in camp.
Pat O'Donnell signed a 2 year, $4,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $475,000 signing bonus, $950,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $2,000,000. In 2023, O'Donnell will earn a base salary of $1,200,000, a roster bonus of $650,000 and a workout bonus of $50,000, while carrying a cap hit of $2,375,000 and a dead cap value of $475,000.
CAP HIT
$1,625,000
$2,375,000....$475,000 Dead Money if cut.
(Though not sure how the $650,000 roster bonus plays into it. If they cut him before March 17th, would that affect the dead money?) Link - ( New Window )
Pat O'Donnell signed a 2 year, $4,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $475,000 signing bonus, $950,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $2,000,000. In 2023, O'Donnell will earn a base salary of $1,200,000, a roster bonus of $650,000 and a workout bonus of $50,000, while carrying a cap hit of $2,375,000 and a dead cap value of $475,000.
CAP HIT
$1,625,000
$2,375,000....$475,000 Dead Money if cut.
(Though not sure how the $650,000 roster bonus plays into it. If they cut him before March 17th, would that affect the dead money?) Link - ( New Window )
The difference, which you're leaving out, is that Pat O'Donnell has ever in his life been a good NFL punter.
… and the salary difference between year 1 and year 2. My guess is that the total guarantees are low and the second year is basically a team option, with a salary he’ll probably never see. Gillan’s job security likely remains negligible.
^This. I would have preferred going in a different direction, but trust the coaches. There were a number of games where he punted pretty well.
Not really a big deal though, so long as they bring in legit competition and don't just hand him the job. Hard to believe they can't find a better punter.
RE: Those numbers mean nothing until we see the guarantees…
… and the salary difference between year 1 and year 2. My guess is that the total guarantees are low and the second year is basically a team option, with a salary he’ll probably never see. Gillan’s job security likely remains negligible.
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BBB probably right. If it is truly a contract extension, there may be little or no guarantees and the Giants are setting up for a training camp competition with a cap casualty or UDFA. Shockingly, but maybe there is a potential draft pick out there.
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The #Bills have agreed to terms with P Sam Martin on a three-year deal worth up to $7.5 million, source says.
Martin gets $4.115 million in guarantees to stay in Buffalo, where he registered the second-most yards per punt in his 10-year career after joining the team in August.
This is written, so may come across as sarcastic, but not my intent.
I guess they value JG a lot more than some of us do, so I yield
Great minds think alike! lol. I was debating this one or the Men on Film gif!
He was right? You know more than the Giants personnel department? The current regime hasn’t shown you that Lombardi, per usual is FOS?
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for a mundane kicker...but I guess that is the going rate.
This is written, so may come across as sarcastic, but not my intent.
I guess they value JG a lot more than some of us do, so I yield
I know, it could be they like his potential. I actually thought he was ok - just not accurate.
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for a mundane kicker...but I guess that is the going rate.
This is written, so may come across as sarcastic, but not my intent.
I guess they value JG a lot more than some of us do, so I yield
I know, it could be they like his potential. I actually thought he was ok - just not accurate.
And I’m there with you
Front offices regardless of the whole “trust” thing, do some really dumb things sometimes.
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Great minds think alike! lol. I was debating this one or the Men on Film gif!
Can't go wrong with either.
By the way, in case you hadn’t heard, his nickname is The Scottish Hammer! Woo!
Yup. I wish people here would re-read what B3 said
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the Giants overvalue their own players too much. Gillan was a poor punter last season, you don't pay poor punters, they're fungible. Sure he was a decent enough holder and there is merit in that but that's not really enough given his lackluster punting output.
He was right? You know more than the Giants personnel department? The current regime hasn’t shown you that Lombardi, per usual is FOS?
Gillan had a net punt of 40.6 yards with his 70 punts, that was the 4th worst of any punter with more than 50 punts (27 punters had more than 50 punts last season). He had the 2nd highest number of touchbacks (9), and he was middle of the pack at best punts landed in the 20 (15th with 26).
That's eminently replaceable, certainly not a performance worthy of a multi-year deal.
Good clarity thx
Have to believe they'll bring in competition
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the Giants overvalue their own players too much. Gillan was a poor punter last season, you don't pay poor punters, they're fungible. Sure he was a decent enough holder and there is merit in that but that's not really enough given his lackluster punting output.
He was right? You know more than the Giants personnel department? The current regime hasn’t shown you that Lombardi, per usual is FOS?
Gillan had a net punt of 40.6 yards with his 70 punts, that was the 4th worst of any punter with more than 50 punts (27 punters had more than 50 punts last season). He had the 2nd highest number of touchbacks (9), and he was middle of the pack at best punts landed in the 20 (15th with 26).
That's eminently replaceable, certainly not a performance worthy of a multi-year deal.
Again,
Those numbers mean nothing until we see the guarantees…
Big Blue Blogger : 7:22 am : link : reply
… and the salary difference between year 1 and year 2. My guess is that the total guarantees are low and the second year is basically a team option, with a salary he’ll probably never see. Gillan’s job security likely remains negligible.
He’s NOT a lock, he can be cut..
+1
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CAP HIT
$1,625,000
$2,375,000....$475,000 Dead Money if cut.
(Though not sure how the $650,000 roster bonus plays into it. If they cut him before March 17th, would that affect the dead money?)
Link - ( New Window )
CAP HIT
$1,625,000
$2,375,000....$475,000 Dead Money if cut.
(Though not sure how the $650,000 roster bonus plays into it. If they cut him before March 17th, would that affect the dead money?) Link - ( New Window )
The difference, which you're leaving out, is that Pat O'Donnell has ever in his life been a good NFL punter.
Gillan's catch-drop-kick sequence is as slow as you'll find, and he's a block waiting to happen...which it did, last year.
^This. I would have preferred going in a different direction, but trust the coaches. There were a number of games where he punted pretty well.
BBB probably right. If it is truly a contract extension, there may be little or no guarantees and the Giants are setting up for a training camp competition with a cap casualty or UDFA. Shockingly, but maybe there is a potential draft pick out there.
Just read the B3 post just above yours..Chances are he’s spot on.
The vast majority of the comments are about how magnificent his hair is.
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The #Bills have agreed to terms with P Sam Martin on a three-year deal worth up to $7.5 million, source says.
Martin gets $4.115 million in guarantees to stay in Buffalo, where he registered the second-most yards per punt in his 10-year career after joining the team in August.