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NGT- Browns redo Watson's deal for cap space

jvm52106 : 3/13/2023 10:32 am
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Source: Browns tweak Deshaun Watson pact for $36M in cap space https://bit.ly/4057l3Y #NFL #Browns



Kicking the can down the road... yikes  
Everyone Relax : 3/13/2023 10:35 am : link
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Deshaun Watson's cap conversion with the #Browns opens up $35,868,000 of space for 2023, adjusting his future cap hits to:

2023: $19.125M
2024: $63.96M
2025: $63.96M
2026: $63.96M
2027: $8.967M (void)
I am still dumbfounded every aspect of this deal from  
oghwga : 3/13/2023 10:37 am : link
The getgo. None of it ever made any sense at all to me. No way he, or anyone is worth that much money.
RE: I am still dumbfounded every aspect of this deal from  
dschwarz in westchester : 3/13/2023 10:40 am : link
In comment 16061555 oghwga said:
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The getgo. None of it ever made any sense at all to me. No way he, or anyone is worth that much money.


I'm dumbfounded that Watson, given his baggage, got this deal. But Cleveland is going to Cleveland I suppose.

But I disagree that no player is worth that money.

If Pat Mahomes was an unrestricted FA, he'd get far more; and most likely so would most of the truly elite QBs in the NFL.

Honestly what Watson (and Kirk Cousins before him) showed is how wildly underpaid the top QBs in the league really are, and how powerful the franchise tag (or threat of the franchise tag) really is.
64 Million Cap Hit for 3 consecutive seasons  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/13/2023 10:43 am : link
Good luck building a roster with that.
It had to happen  
OlyWABigBlue : 3/13/2023 10:43 am : link
It was destiny that the Browns had to massage that contract. I don't think they're in line for a happy ending though.
Fuck em'  
terz22 : 3/13/2023 10:43 am : link
May the browns suck forever
By 2026, it will be 100 million dollar cap hit`  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2023 10:49 am : link
LOL
RE: By 2026, it will be 100 million dollar cap hit`  
Semipro Lineman : 3/13/2023 11:05 am : link
In comment 16061579 ZogZerg said:
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LOL


Will we see an entire team of undrafted free agents on their rookie deals and a well-paid quarterback?
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MOOPS : 3/13/2023 11:10 am : link
RE: 64 Million Cap Hit for 3 consecutive seasons  
Tuckrule : 3/13/2023 11:15 am : link
In comment 16061564 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Good luck building a roster with that.


Restructure again and that will lower. You can keep kicking the van down the road because that season will never be realized. It’s a fictional season in a sense. Not sure why more teams don’t do this
I wish...  
Chris in Philly : 3/13/2023 11:17 am : link
the league never even approved the original contract. It was a lot of bullshit.
RE: RE: 64 Million Cap Hit for 3 consecutive seasons  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2023 11:42 am : link
In comment 16061610 Tuckrule said:
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Good luck building a roster with that.



Restructure again and that will lower. You can keep kicking the van down the road because that season will never be realized. It’s a fictional season in a sense. Not sure why more teams don’t do this

It doesn't work that way. You can't push money past the term of the contract.
There's cap accounting and actual dollars  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2023 11:44 am : link
There will be another re-structure down the road.

You guys are forgetting that Watson averaged 4600 yards of offense and 33 td's a year over the 3 years prior to being benched. Those are Mahomesian numbers. The contract he signed at age 26 basically paid him a level $46 million a year over 5 years. If he approaches those numbers in Cleveland, they will gladly pay it.
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JoeyBigBlue : 3/13/2023 11:47 am : link
In comment 16061610 Tuckrule said:
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Good luck building a roster with that.



Restructure again and that will lower. You can keep kicking the van down the road because that season will never be realized. It’s a fictional season in a sense. Not sure why more teams don’t do this



You can kick it down the road but the bill will eventually come due.
RE: It had to happen  
3rdWAM : 3/13/2023 1:31 pm : link
In comment 16061565 OlyWABigBlue said:
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It was destiny that the Browns had to massage that contract. I don't think they're in line for a happy ending though.

I see what you did there!
Absolutely horrendous contract in every sense of the word.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2023 1:34 pm : link
The Browns will always be the Browns. Anyone defending this contract even a tiny bit is an idiot. Not surprised reading this thread that there's one. And people thought the Jones contract would handcuff the Giants. I present this terrible contract.
RE: There's cap accounting and actual dollars  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2023 1:42 pm : link
In comment 16061652 HomerJones45 said:
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There will be another re-structure down the road.

You guys are forgetting that Watson averaged 4600 yards of offense and 33 td's a year over the 3 years prior to being benched. Those are Mahomesian numbers. The contract he signed at age 26 basically paid him a level $46 million a year over 5 years. If he approaches those numbers in Cleveland, they will gladly pay it.


The pay matches the potential production but there will always be the threat of another lawsuit out there, and/or more info coming forward. Normally that wouldn’t be the biggest deal in the world but the fully guaranteed part makes the risk enormous.

That said 35 TDs isn’t worth a $60m+ cap hit IMO. You better be a rung above Mahomes and pushing 50 scores for that kind of pay.
RE: RE: 64 Million Cap Hit for 3 consecutive seasons  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2023 1:46 pm : link
In comment 16061610 Tuckrule said:
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Good luck building a roster with that.



Restructure again and that will lower. You can keep kicking the van down the road because that season will never be realized. It’s a fictional season in a sense. Not sure why more teams don’t do this


Because when you kick the can down the road it normally means new guaranteed money. When the contract is already fully guaranteed you’ve already accounted for all of the financial burden. I don’t know all the rules around moving money in his deal but it’s completely unique.
The worst contract in the NFL  
dpinzow : 3/13/2023 1:52 pm : link
by a good distance
RE: There's cap accounting and actual dollars  
bw in dc : 3/13/2023 1:57 pm : link
In comment 16061652 HomerJones45 said:
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There will be another re-structure down the road.

You guys are forgetting that Watson averaged 4600 yards of offense and 33 td's a year over the 3 years prior to being benched. Those are Mahomesian numbers. The contract he signed at age 26 basically paid him a level $46 million a year over 5 years. If he approaches those numbers in Cleveland, they will gladly pay it.


A lot of this is accurate. But Watson should not have been the harbinger for a guaranteed deal this large. It's just a bad look on the heals of his legal problems.

I'm all for the free-market setting price, but Haslem left his morals and conscience at one of his truck stops in a move of desperation. I admire his determination to win, just not with this player at that time.
They are completely  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/13/2023 1:59 pm : link
fucked. And they deserve it too for this albatross contract.
RE: RE: RE: 64 Million Cap Hit for 3 consecutive seasons  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2023 2:00 pm : link
In comment 16061910 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 16061564 JoeyBigBlue said:


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Good luck building a roster with that.



Restructure again and that will lower. You can keep kicking the van down the road because that season will never be realized. It’s a fictional season in a sense. Not sure why more teams don’t do this



Because when you kick the can down the road it normally means new guaranteed money. When the contract is already fully guaranteed you’ve already accounted for all of the financial burden. I don’t know all the rules around moving money in his deal but it’s completely unique.
No new money. They re-defined salary as bonus to spread it out over several years but the dollars are the same.
I'm still wondering...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/13/2023 2:02 pm : link
if they are going to find a violation of his contract at some point. There has to be some restrictions of activities/etc. and the easiest way out of this contract will be for him to void it by violating the terms.

I would put the odds rather high that this contract never is paid in full because of such a violation.
HJ45  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2023 2:04 pm : link
I meant other contracts that aren’t already fully guaranteed. That’s why this isn’t a universal practice, in almost every other situation you have to add more money.
it still baffles me  
cjac : 3/13/2023 2:25 pm : link
that the same guy who told Billy Beane that its good thing to get Johnny Damon off your roster and he's not worth what the Redsox paid him, gave Deshaun Watson 200mm+ guaranteed
This deal  
Giantophile : 3/13/2023 10:10 pm : link
is garbage. The Russ deal is worse tho.
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