for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NGT: Non Exclusive Franchise Tag Question (Lamar Jackson)

dschwarz in westchester : 3/13/2023 10:37 am
So, if a team signs Jackson to an offer, they owe the Ravens 2 first round picks.

If a team doesn't have a first round pick this year, they can't bid on Jackson until after the NFL draft, and then they'd offer their 2024/2025 picks.

But what happens if a team HAS a first round pick this year but it's not their own pick? Does that mean they just have to wait until after the draft to bid on him?

I'm wondering why someone (like the Jets, but also works for Houston or really any team that needs a QB) doesn't trade down from their current spot to somewhere in the end of the first round, then keep the extra picks they traded for and give Baltimore a late first this year (and of course, get Jackson). I'm assuming there's a reason but haven't seen it anywhere...

Thanks!
I don’t have an authoritative source,  
81_Great_Dane : 3/13/2023 10:44 am : link
but this came up on BBI. I believe it has to be your own pick(s), not another team’s picks acquired in a trade.
RE: I don’t have an authoritative source,  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/13/2023 10:46 am : link
In comment 16061569 81_Great_Dane said:
Quote:
but this came up on BBI. I believe it has to be your own pick(s), not another team’s picks acquired in a trade.


yes -- this is correct
I believe Jackson could always sign the tag  
BigBlue7 : 3/13/2023 10:46 am : link
And then the Ravens could trade home for whatever they want
Trading down for draft picks  
JohnF : 3/13/2023 10:49 am : link
Quote:
I'm wondering why someone (like the Jets, but also works for Houston or really any team that needs a QB) doesn't trade down from their current spot to somewhere in the end of the first round, then keep the extra picks they traded for and give Baltimore a late first this year (and of course, get Jackson). I'm assuming there's a reason but haven't seen it anywhere...


One reason would be Baltimore matching the Jets offer. That would mean the Jets lose a higher number 1.
Really hope he doesn't end up in Washington  
rasbutant : 3/13/2023 10:55 am : link
That would suck. Though it probably blows up on them, so there that. Still don't want to take that chance.

Would say Tampa but their cap situation doesn't seem good...but if the Saints can do it, why not.

Indy is an interesting one. Nice fit, but the 4 overall pick...yikes. Maybe work a deal on the side.

Vegas and Atlanta at 7 and 8, could be possibilities too.

They all have their original pick.
Got it...  
dschwarz in westchester : 3/13/2023 10:57 am : link
...thanks. (also, makes sense.)

I'm still shocked that teams plural won't bid huge money for him (I like Jones, I'm glad the Giants signed him, but his resume is nowhere near Lamar Jackson's and if I were a contending team in need of a QB, the Jets, the Niners, etc. I would be moving heaven and earth to get him). But I guess we'll see.
RE: Got it...  
81_Great_Dane : 3/13/2023 12:09 pm : link
In comment 16061588 dschwarz in westchester said:
Quote:
...thanks. (also, makes sense.)

I'm still shocked that teams plural won't bid huge money for him (I like Jones, I'm glad the Giants signed him, but his resume is nowhere near Lamar Jackson's and if I were a contending team in need of a QB, the Jets, the Niners, etc. I would be moving heaven and earth to get him). But I guess we'll see.
The problem is that he wants the Watson deal: multiple years, fully guaranteed, top of market. There are 31 teams that want to avoid setting that precedent.

If he dropped the demand for fully guaranteed money, he'd probably get multiple offers.
Jackson  
Hilary : 3/13/2023 12:16 pm : link
Wants very high percent of cap space guaranteed.
RE: Really hope he doesn't end up in Washington  
FStubbs : 3/13/2023 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16061585 rasbutant said:
Quote:
That would suck. Though it probably blows up on them, so there that. Still don't want to take that chance.

Would say Tampa but their cap situation doesn't seem good...but if the Saints can do it, why not.

Indy is an interesting one. Nice fit, but the 4 overall pick...yikes. Maybe work a deal on the side.

Vegas and Atlanta at 7 and 8, could be possibilities too.

They all have their original pick.


I think someone posted before that Snyder might be tempted to sign him to everything he wants and more, guaranteed, just to stick it to the league.
RE: RE: Really hope he doesn't end up in Washington  
dschwarz in westchester : 3/13/2023 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16061784 FStubbs said:
Quote:
In comment 16061585 rasbutant said:


Quote:


That would suck. Though it probably blows up on them, so there that. Still don't want to take that chance.

Would say Tampa but their cap situation doesn't seem good...but if the Saints can do it, why not.

Indy is an interesting one. Nice fit, but the 4 overall pick...yikes. Maybe work a deal on the side.

Vegas and Atlanta at 7 and 8, could be possibilities too.

They all have their original pick.



I think someone posted before that Snyder might be tempted to sign him to everything he wants and more, guaranteed, just to stick it to the league.


Basically this. Or the Patriots. There are a ton of franchises that (a) Need a QB, (b) have more capspace than the Ravens, and (c) could care less about what the other billionaire NFL owners want. (Honestly I bet that (c) comprises most of the NFL owners.)

I think Jackson's contract demands could cool the market if he's really out there - but at the same time, let's say you offered him four years @ $50 million per, fully guaranteed.

Is that really a worse idea for the Jets than trading for a 39 year old Aaron Rodgers who seems to by 80% retired (and is also getting $50 million).

I mean sure, you are worried Jackson could get hurt... but I'd be willing to take the bet that in 3 years a 29 year old Lamar Jackson is a better NFL QB than a 42 year old Aaron Rodgers (assuming Rodgers is even playing at that point).
Back to the Corner