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Jay on the Island : 3/13/2023 12:34 pm
Discuss FA signings, rumors, and wish lists here.
I liked idea of Edwards  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 12:46 pm : link
Especially at 3 yrs 19, 12 GTD.

Seems like market for Lb’s is not as high as we would’ve thought. Some were saying 4 yrs/50 for Edwards.
broncos just signed powers to a big deal, maybe accelerates a dump  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 12:49 pm : link
Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN
Sources with multiple teams believe the Broncos could trade a WR. Denver has had talks with teams about Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy and KJ Hamler. Teams say the Broncos are asking high prices, not just dumping, but it's not out of the question one gets moved.
Eric  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2023 12:55 pm : link
I wonder if Schoen will make the same offer for Jeudy as he reportedly did at the deadline.
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 12:58 pm : link
In comment 16061789 Jay on the Island said:
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I wonder if Schoen will make the same offer for Jeudy as he reportedly did at the deadline.


i think sutton is probably the better value target. jeudy was clicking with wilson, sutton seems disgruntled. sutton's deal is pretty reasonable though and will "cost less" draft picks than jeudy. the toney pick for sutton would make sense, though even better would be a day 3 and 2024 conditional pick based on whether or not he's still a nyg.
so far we are seeing the more desperate teams strike first  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 12:59 pm : link
bears have so much money to spend there's no reason to move slow.

falcons are spending like crazy.

broncos with russ/payton are obviously looking to get things on track asap.
interesting  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 1:03 pm : link
JosinaAnderson @JosinaAnderson
I'm told the following teams have shown preliminary interest in #Jaguars CB Tre Herndon: The #Falcons, #49ers and #Giants, per league source.

I'm told Herndon is not returning to Jacksonville. We'll see how his market continues to unfold.
Giants among teams  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 1:03 pm : link
Showing interest in CB Tre Herndon - Josina Anderson
If i'm Schoen, i'm calling the bucs  
Fat Wally : 3/13/2023 1:04 pm : link
and offering a 3rd for Shaq Mason. Why not? only due 8.5 million which is good deal for solid interior oline.


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RE: If i'm Schoen, i'm calling the bucs  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16061803 Fat Wally said:
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and offering a 3rd for Shaq Mason. Why not? only due 8.5 million which is good deal for solid interior oline.
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Too high
One of our 5ths
Don't know anything about this source, but worth posting  
Y28 : 3/13/2023 1:08 pm : link

"New York Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton is set to be a free agent this summer. However, the organization would reportedly like to bring back Slayton, assuming the price is right. The 26-year-old took a paycut to remain with the Giants last season, but earned himself a nice payday this offseason. Last season, Slayton recorded 46 receptions, 724 yards and two touchdowns in 16 games (11 starts) for the Giants. He was a big part of the success of this offense down the stretch of the season. It remains to be seen what Slayton is going to be asking contract wise. He should have plenty of suitors in free agency, assuming the two sides cannot come to an agreement".--Andy Webb - RotoBaller
RE: Don't know anything about this source, but worth posting  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 1:15 pm : link
In comment 16061810 Y28 said:
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"New York Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton is set to be a free agent this summer. However, the organization would reportedly like to bring back Slayton, assuming the price is right. The 26-year-old took a paycut to remain with the Giants last season, but earned himself a nice payday this offseason. Last season, Slayton recorded 46 receptions, 724 yards and two touchdowns in 16 games (11 starts) for the Giants. He was a big part of the success of this offense down the stretch of the season. It remains to be seen what Slayton is going to be asking contract wise. He should have plenty of suitors in free agency, assuming the two sides cannot come to an agreement".--Andy Webb - RotoBaller


4/5 wr. Sure. Not starter material. Way too inconsistent and that isn’t changing
RE: RE: If i'm Schoen, i'm calling the bucs  
Fat Wally : 3/13/2023 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16061806 Payasdaddy said:
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and offering a 3rd for Shaq Mason. Why not? only due 8.5 million which is good deal for solid interior oline.
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Too high
One of our 5ths


the Toney 3rd which is essentially a 4th
Hargrave to SF  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2023 1:22 pm : link
40 mill gtd
Gates signing elsewhere?  
Fan_in_Philly2 : 3/13/2023 1:25 pm : link
From LPG on Twitter:

LPG - NYG
@LicensePlateGuy
I thought Gates did enough to come back. What a darn good story he has.... that comeback is nothing short of a miracle. He's onto his next team.
#65 #Gates #Giants
Saw people discussing Hargrave as a Giants target which was nuts  
AcesUp : 3/13/2023 1:25 pm : link
He was always a 20+ guy this cycle, especially after Payne inked what he did.
Looks like Gates is gone  
Fat Wally : 3/13/2023 1:26 pm : link
rumors are saying he's signing with WASH. Nothing official yet.. hope it's not true


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RE: Looks like Gates is gone  
Everyone Relax : 3/13/2023 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16061842 Fat Wally said:
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rumors are saying he's signing with WASH. Nothing official yet.. hope it's not true
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Washington loves guys with mangled legs
RE: Hargrave to SF  
djm : 3/13/2023 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16061831 Rjanyg said:
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40 mill gtd


Good for the niners. And good for fuck philly.
RE: Looks like Gates is gone  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 1:28 pm : link
In comment 16061842 Fat Wally said:
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rumors are saying he's signing with WASH. Nothing official yet.. hope it's not true
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Well now I don’t like him. :)
RE: RE: Hargrave to SF  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 1:28 pm : link
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40 mill gtd



Good for the niners. And good for fuck philly.


Sf going for it. That D will be even better.
McGlinchy to Denver  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2023 1:29 pm : link
50 mill gtd
JS asleep at the wheel. Wtf  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 1:29 pm : link
Just kidding. A bit of patience works. It’s 90 minutes though. Really :)
Denver keeps spending gotta think a veteran going to be outgoing soon  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 1:29 pm : link
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Source: The #Broncos are giving RT Mike McGlinchey a massive 5 year deal worth $87.5M with over $50M guaranteed a
Gates to Foreskins  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2023 1:30 pm : link
yuck
RE: Looks like Gates is gone  
The_Boss : 3/13/2023 1:30 pm : link
In comment 16061842 Fat Wally said:
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rumors are saying he's signing with WASH. Nothing official yet.. hope it's not true
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Interior OL is a definite area where we need to improve.
Mike McGlinchey contract  
AcesUp : 3/13/2023 1:31 pm : link
Gives me heavy Nate Solder vibes. Now, he didn't reset the market but we're talking about a middle of the pack OT that may have been propped up by the scheme, coaching and surrounding talent.
Can Barkley Now Receive Offers From Other Teams?  
Trainmaster : 3/13/2023 1:31 pm : link
I assume unlikely as the offer must include the offering team willing to give up two first rounders which isn't happening.

The Giants can still agree to a long term deal with Barkley until Wednesday, or has that window passed already? Or do they have until July?
RE: Can Barkley Now Receive Offers From Other Teams?  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2023 1:35 pm : link
In comment 16061875 Trainmaster said:
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I assume unlikely as the offer must include the offering team willing to give up two first rounders which isn't happening.

The Giants can still agree to a long term deal with Barkley until Wednesday, or has that window passed already? Or do they have until July?


LOL. No one is going to offer anything to Barkley.
4 for 84 for a 30 year old  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 1:39 pm : link
DT was a bit crazy, but looks like it’s basically a 2 year deal.
Gates was not the same guy last year,  
Simms11 : 3/13/2023 1:40 pm : link
however he is a better Center then Guard and I guess Bobby Johnson indicated he though Feliciano would be a better choice to come back as either a Center of back up. I still think the Giants will draft one of the Centers coming out. Some pretty damn good ones and maybe the reason Gates wasn’t offered what he was looking for, as well.
RE: RE: Can Barkley Now Receive Offers From Other Teams?  
djm : 3/13/2023 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16061885 ZogZerg said:
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I assume unlikely as the offer must include the offering team willing to give up two first rounders which isn't happening.

The Giants can still agree to a long term deal with Barkley until Wednesday, or has that window passed already? Or do they have until July?



LOL. No one is going to offer anything to Barkley.


The Jets traded a 1st and 3rd rounder for Curtis Martin.

It's happened before. It can happen again. The Niners just traded resources for McCaffery.

RE: RE: RE: Can Barkley Now Receive Offers From Other Teams?  
The Dude : 3/13/2023 1:43 pm : link
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I assume unlikely as the offer must include the offering team willing to give up two first rounders which isn't happening.

The Giants can still agree to a long term deal with Barkley until Wednesday, or has that window passed already? Or do they have until July?



LOL. No one is going to offer anything to Barkley.



The Jets traded a 1st and 3rd rounder for Curtis Martin.

It's happened before. It can happen again. The Niners just traded resources for McCaffery.


That was in a different NFL
Jimmy G to Raiders  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2023 1:47 pm : link
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Saquon is a great back but nobody is giving up two 1st round picks  
dpinzow : 3/13/2023 1:50 pm : link
for any RB
No news on Edmunds  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 1:56 pm : link
Is great news for the Giants fans who want him.

The market is not hot for LB’s right now. Quincy Williams got 6mil APY, Edwards 6.3apy. Edmunds going to be closer to 12mil than he is to 20.
RE: Jimmy G to Raiders  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2023 1:57 pm : link
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There goes Jets backup plan.
LOL
That’s a good deal for Jimmy G given his resume  
Sean : 3/13/2023 1:57 pm : link
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RE: RE: Jimmy G to Raiders  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 1:58 pm : link
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There goes Jets backup plan.
LOL


I could see them ending up with Brissett
Folks, can you at least stick to this Century for a discussion?  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2023 2:01 pm : link
49rs got McCaffrey cost control for 2 years.
RE: Jimmy G to Raiders  
The_Boss : 3/13/2023 2:09 pm : link
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So if Rodgers retires, the Jets are down to Tannehill/Wentz?
RE: Saquon is a great back but nobody is giving up two 1st round picks  
AcidTest : 3/13/2023 2:09 pm : link
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The Giants could take less than two firsts, which I would.
So Mike White signs with Miami  
Blue Dream : 3/13/2023 2:09 pm : link
Jets had one thing to accomplish this off-season. Improve the QB room. They might end up getting significantly worse.
Mike  
AcidTest : 3/13/2023 2:10 pm : link
White to Miami.
This Mike White love fest is always comical  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2023 2:11 pm : link
He had a couple of really good games but once he started multiple games in a row he really struggled once defenses game planned for him. Still he was the best QB on the Jets roster and now they are left with just Zach Wilson.
Chiefs  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/13/2023 2:14 pm : link
Just signed Jawaan Taylor 4 years $80 million with 60 guaranteed. That Mahomes deal seems like a bargain now.
RE: RE: Don't know anything about this source, but worth posting  
EJNNJ : 3/13/2023 2:22 pm : link
In comment 16061821 Payasdaddy said:
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"New York Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton is set to be a free agent this summer. However, the organization would reportedly like to bring back Slayton, assuming the price is right. The 26-year-old took a paycut to remain with the Giants last season, but earned himself a nice payday this offseason. Last season, Slayton recorded 46 receptions, 724 yards and two touchdowns in 16 games (11 starts) for the Giants. He was a big part of the success of this offense down the stretch of the season. It remains to be seen what Slayton is going to be asking contract wise. He should have plenty of suitors in free agency, assuming the two sides cannot come to an agreement".--Andy Webb - RotoBaller



4/5 wr. Sure. Not starter material. Way too inconsistent and that isn’t changing


I'd bring him back, i'd rather be dealing with a player you know vs some of the other selfish ones out there tbh. He handle the contract cut like a man vs a prima-donna. We'll have to draft or trade for a #1wr but losing Slayton would force our position in the draft. Assuming it's fair market deal we are suppose to resign him...
RE: RE: Saquon is a great back but nobody is giving up two 1st round picks  
MotownGIANTS : 3/13/2023 2:22 pm : link
In comment 16061971 AcidTest said:
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The Giants could take less than two firsts, which I would.



I'd take a 1st and 3rd (2023) ... 1st (2023) and 2nd (2024) ...
Garoppolo contract is the definition of a win/win contract...  
The Mike : 3/13/2023 2:24 pm : link
Smart move by the Raiders. A fairly priced contract for a guy who has a Super Bowl and multiple NFC championships on his resume. Garoppolo gets to start over with some great weapons... AFC West should be fascinating this year.
Slayton is more than a 4/5, c'mon lol.  
j_rud : 3/13/2023 2:26 pm : link
By the end of the year he looked like a very good 3/inconsistent 2.

Pretty sure Herndon is a depth/slot guy.
Absolutely no way  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/13/2023 2:31 pm : link
Slayton is a 2. That's ridiculous (exception:NYG). 3 at best and that's shaky. He runs terrible routes, does not come back to the ball to help his QB and let's not start on his hands. We can do MUCH better. Vet minimum only to bring him back.
RE: RE: RE: Saquon is a great back but nobody is giving up two 1st round picks  
AcidTest : 3/13/2023 2:31 pm : link
In comment 16061992 MotownGIANTS said:
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The Giants could take less than two firsts, which I would.




I'd take a 1st and 3rd (2023) ... 1st (2023) and 2nd (2024) ...


I don't think we'd get anywhere near that for Barkley. The RB position has been devalued for years, the draft is loaded with good RBs, and Barkley has a pretty lengthy injury history. My guess is the Giants would get a third and a day three pick at best, picks that aren't as valuable to the team as keeping him for another year while the presumably draft his replacement. Remember that any team trading for Barkley has to be willing to sign him to a long-term deal in excess of the $12.5M offer from the Giants he apparently turned down last year.
RE: Slayton is more than a 4/5, c'mon lol.  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 2:33 pm : link
In comment 16062001 j_rud said:
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By the end of the year he looked like a very good 3/inconsistent 2.

Pretty sure Herndon is a depth/slot guy.



Yea that is such a common statement around here…Slayton is a 4 or 5.

Please find me a team with a better #4 than Slayton.
Go Deep thread... Giants are closing in on a WR  
KingBlue : 3/13/2023 2:33 pm : link
Just read...wonder who?
The Chiefs are discussing trading for Texans LT Laremy Tunsil  
rasbutant : 3/13/2023 2:36 pm : link
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RE: Go Deep thread... Giants are closing in on a WR  
j_rud : 3/13/2023 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16062018 KingBlue said:
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Just read...wonder who?


I've seen people speculate Denver but Sutton rather than Jeudy
RE: The Chiefs are discussing trading for Texans LT Laremy Tunsil  
j_rud : 3/13/2023 2:37 pm : link
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Tunsil AND Taylor? Whoa
RE: RE: Go Deep thread... Giants are closing in on a WR  
KingBlue : 3/13/2023 2:38 pm : link
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Just read...wonder who?



I've seen people speculate Denver but Sutton rather than Jeudy


Are either Sutton or Jeudy considered a 1?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Saquon is a great back but nobody is giving up two 1st round picks  
EJNNJ : 3/13/2023 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16062013 AcidTest said:
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The Giants could take less than two firsts, which I would.




I'd take a 1st and 3rd (2023) ... 1st (2023) and 2nd (2024) ...



I don't think we'd get anywhere near that for Barkley. The RB position has been devalued for years, the draft is loaded with good RBs, and Barkley has a pretty lengthy injury history. My guess is the Giants would get a third and a day three pick at best, picks that aren't as valuable to the team as keeping him for another year while the presumably draft his replacement. Remember that any team trading for Barkley has to be willing to sign him to a long-term deal in excess of the $12.5M offer from the Giants he apparently turned down last year.



Rather continue to put my money into the OL and draft RBs than pay them... As much as i'd miss SB i could live without him it if we continue to build the OL. Pass pro and rushing attack go as the OL goes...
Jets on Highwire with NO Net...  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2023 2:44 pm : link
QB Mike White to Phins
RE: RE: RE: Go Deep thread... Giants are closing in on a WR  
dannyman3131 : 3/13/2023 2:48 pm : link
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I've seen people speculate Denver but Sutton rather than Jeudy



Are either Sutton or Jeudy considered a 1?



Sutton-No
Jeudy-Yes
Jets are gonna end up signing Uncle Rico at this point  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2023 2:52 pm : link
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Jeudy salary  
gersh : 3/13/2023 2:53 pm : link
2023 2.6 mil
2024 13 mil
Jakobi Mets to giants  
DJ5150 : 3/13/2023 2:59 pm : link
Nfl network
RE: Jakobi Mets to giants  
DJ5150 : 3/13/2023 3:00 pm : link
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Nfl network
. Meyers
RE: Jakobi Mets to giants  
Amtoft : 3/13/2023 3:03 pm : link
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Nfl network


better to make sure it is verified than be quick... this isn't true.
So  
AcidTest : 3/13/2023 3:05 pm : link
I guess Myers (or Mets) isn't signing with the Giants. Good.
RE: So  
Amtoft : 3/13/2023 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16062107 AcidTest said:
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I guess Myers (or Mets) isn't signing with the Giants. Good.


I mean he is still available so never say never
RE: So  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 3:11 pm : link
In comment 16062107 AcidTest said:
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I guess Myers (or Mets) isn't signing with the Giants. Good.


He’s a mediocre #2 asking for 16mil a year. Please no.
RE: Slayton is more than a 4/5, c'mon lol.  
Toth029 : 3/13/2023 3:11 pm : link
In comment 16062001 j_rud said:
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By the end of the year he looked like a very good 3/inconsistent 2.

Pretty sure Herndon is a depth/slot guy.


Remember the chatter how Randle was going to explode once he left Eli. Slayton reminds me a bit of him, or Manningham.

Too damn inconsistent.

Also lol Raiders. Garoppolo won't do a damn thing there.
RE: RE: Jakobi Mets to giants  
DJ5150 : 3/13/2023 3:11 pm : link
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better to make sure it is verified than be quick... this isn't true.
RE: RE: Slayton is more than a 4/5, c'mon lol.  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/13/2023 3:12 pm : link
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By the end of the year he looked like a very good 3/inconsistent 2.

Pretty sure Herndon is a depth/slot guy.



Remember the chatter how Randle was going to explode once he left Eli. Slayton reminds me a bit of him, or Manningham.

Too damn inconsistent.

Also lol Raiders. Garoppolo won't do a damn thing there.


Manningham was lightyears better than both of them. He's was underrated by many during his time here.
RE: RE: So  
NYG22 : 3/13/2023 3:14 pm : link
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I guess Myers (or Mets) isn't signing with the Giants. Good.



He’s a mediocre #2 asking for 16mil a year. Please no.


Its crazy that people get all bent out of shape over what a guy is "asking" or "wants". Look, people generally look for the highest compensation they can get and employers look to minimize cost. Somewhere in the middle is a meeting point called fair market value.
RE: RE: RE: Slayton is more than a 4/5, c'mon lol.  
Toth029 : 3/13/2023 3:16 pm : link
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By the end of the year he looked like a very good 3/inconsistent 2.

Pretty sure Herndon is a depth/slot guy.



Remember the chatter how Randle was going to explode once he left Eli. Slayton reminds me a bit of him, or Manningham.

Too damn inconsistent.

Also lol Raiders. Garoppolo won't do a damn thing there.



Manningham was lightyears better than both of them. He's was underrated by many during his time here.


I agree with that, he was, but he struggled with some things as a Giant and (injury related to a degree) didn't do anything outside the Giants.
Agreed. Manningham was better than Slayton  
gersh : 3/13/2023 3:17 pm : link
Randle was better too
Slayton drops too many balls to be considered a starting WR.
I know they are different types of WR but I’d take Richie James over Slayton.
Slayton is more of a deep threat but I just don’t trust him to make the big catches.
So far Joe Schoen seems to be focusing on his own F.A.'s...  
Fishmanjim57 : 3/13/2023 3:19 pm : link
I'm glad he's hanging on to some of the players, but they have some bigger holes to fill.
C Ethan Pocic  
Koffman : 3/13/2023 3:55 pm : link
Back to the Browns
Would be curious to see  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 3:59 pm : link
Over the years, the % of FA contracts signed during the legal tampering period where a team ends up eating dead money. I’d be it’s well over 50% if you exclude 1 year deals.

Point is, most of these signings look exciting but actually become a burden down the line. Over the last 2 decades, the smart & winning franchises have been Baltimore, Pitt, Philly, GB, Seattle, NE. Those teams have always been disciplined in how they attack the early days of FA (save for one spending spree by the Pats a few years back that didn’t work out too well)

Edmunds is gone  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 4:00 pm : link
Bears
Bears are on a roll  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/13/2023 4:01 pm : link
No surprise give the drastic amount of cap space over everyone else
Edmonds to Bears  
Frbuff : 3/13/2023 4:02 pm : link
Per Schefter
Right now I would suspect our focus  
jvm52106 : 3/13/2023 4:02 pm : link
Is on David Long at LB.
I expected more of a frenzy but its only 4 hrs  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 4:02 pm : link
would be fine with C Campbell at DT
really want to get that solid ILB before there is a run on them
Some  
Toth029 : 3/13/2023 4:02 pm : link
Of these ILB deals aren't too bad.

Schoen is doing his homework correctly.
RE: Some  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 4:03 pm : link
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Of these ILB deals aren't too bad.

Schoen is doing his homework correctly.

emonds, edwards and pratt gone
so it may have to be soon
RE: Bears are on a roll  
Amtoft : 3/13/2023 4:03 pm : link
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No surprise give the drastic amount of cap space over everyone else


That contract is huge... no thank you
Seeing some of the contracts  
Mike in NY : 3/13/2023 4:06 pm : link
I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
RE: Seeing some of the contracts  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 4:09 pm : link
In comment 16062216 Mike in NY said:
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I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).


snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly
It's amazing how many people on here  
BigBlue7 : 3/13/2023 4:11 pm : link
Still can't see the forest for the trees

Yes we made the playoffs last year

No, we are no close to winning the super bowl

Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.

Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
RE: RE: Seeing some of the contracts  
Mike in NY : 3/13/2023 4:18 pm : link
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I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).



snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly


That is my point. DT and ILB tend to be positions where players tend to be broken down quickly as the first step is everything. So you are better off with shorter term less monetary commitment.
RE: RE: RE: Seeing some of the contracts  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 4:21 pm : link
In comment 16062244 Mike in NY said:
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I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).



snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly



That is my point. DT and ILB tend to be positions where players tend to be broken down quickly as the first step is everything. So you are better off with shorter term less monetary commitment.


i get it snack was 26/27 when we signed him
his size did him in vernon was a worse contract
either or, besides a starting ILB we are more than likely looking for solid rotational guys
He’s laying the foundation by bringing back those  
Simms11 : 3/13/2023 4:24 pm : link
they want to continue to build with and provide much needed depth and camp comp. no problems with what he’s done so far. The coaches have a very big say, or so it appears. Once the smoke clears from the beginning salvos, he’ll start to address gaps and shortfalls in the roster. As he keeps saying, you can’t shop hungry otherwise you overpay and pick up players that are clearly just sticking around in the NFL for a paycheck.
RE: RE: RE: Seeing some of the contracts  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 4:24 pm : link
In comment 16062244 Mike in NY said:
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I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).



snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly



That is my point. DT and ILB tend to be positions where players tend to be broken down quickly as the first step is everything. So you are better off with shorter term less monetary commitment.


i get it snack was 26/27 when we signed him
his size did him in vernon was a worse contract
either or, besides a starting ILB we are more than likely looking for solid rotational guys
The Bears ....  
RCPhoenix : 3/13/2023 4:27 pm : link
Matt Verderame
@MattVerderame
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8m
I'm a huge Tremaine Edmunds fan, and he'll help the Bears. That said, they've now signed two off-ball linebackers today for $93M, and have major holes at premium positions.
Feels a bit like luxury spending when the house has no roof
I am very happy with the Giants moves today  
TommytheElephant : 3/13/2023 4:37 pm : link
not overpaying for "ok" talent.
RE: I am very happy with the Giants moves today  
Mike in NY : 3/13/2023 4:38 pm : link
In comment 16062285 TommytheElephant said:
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not overpaying for "ok" talent.


I would say that some of the names that you are seeing today are more than "ok" talent, but a lot are pretty substantial overpayments in my opinion.
RE: I am very happy with the Giants moves today  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 4:40 pm : link
In comment 16062285 TommytheElephant said:
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not overpaying for "ok" talent.


as teams cap room dwindles, we should do better next few days
we have some restructures and extension we have to work on too

hoping guys like zach allen. calais C, long/okekere (sp)/tranquill, maybe dalvin
have heard zilch on odell if the price goes down, dont be surprised him, saquon and shep are tight sillier things have happened
RE: RE: I am very happy with the Giants moves today  
eric2425ny : 3/13/2023 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16062289 Mike in NY said:
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not overpaying for "ok" talent.



I would say that some of the names that you are seeing today are more than "ok" talent, but a lot are pretty substantial overpayments in my opinion.


Totally agree. Build through the draft, grab some low to mid level FA’s to fill gaps. Re-sign your building block players.
I hoping that...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/13/2023 4:48 pm : link
...they're looking at Okereke.
Steelers sign Patrick Peterson  
jeff57 : 3/13/2023 4:48 pm : link
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Jimmy G to the Raiders, apparently  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2023 4:59 pm : link
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my favs are still available:  
shocktheworld : 3/13/2023 5:08 pm : link
Zach Allen DT AZ (age 25)
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)

If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
RE: It's amazing how many people on here  
AcidTest : 3/13/2023 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16062233 BigBlue7 said:
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Still can't see the forest for the trees

Yes we made the playoffs last year

No, we are no close to winning the super bowl

Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.

Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.


+1.
RE: Seeing some of the contracts  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/13/2023 5:32 pm : link
In comment 16062216 Mike in NY said:
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I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).


As long as we are not going into next season with ILB like we've had for so many years, I am ok with the approach. But you can't keep saying hey these guys are overpriced and take the approach ofl trying to hit the lottery with mid to late round LBs. That strategy has done nothing but prove to produce liabilities in the run and passing game.

We only have one season of that approach with JS, but I sure hope we get some legit LBs be it via FA or in the draft.
RE: RE: It's amazing how many people on here  
jvm52106 : 3/13/2023 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16062362 AcidTest said:
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Still can't see the forest for the trees

Yes we made the playoffs last year

No, we are no close to winning the super bowl

Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.

Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.



+1.


I agree and disagree. We made the playoffs and won a game with a pretty empty roster especially at the skill positions. Are we close to winning the SB? Well, we are not as far off as many but we are a WAYS off from being any kind of a favorite..

We don't need to sign a bunch of people right now but we do need to add some talent, maybe a trade for talent and then a great draft.
RE: It's amazing how many people on here  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16062233 BigBlue7 said:
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Still can't see the forest for the trees

Yes we made the playoffs last year

No, we are no close to winning the super bowl

Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.

Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.


Disagree. Every offseason is a chance to get better. Giants had a talent deficiency, and still made it within 2 games of the super bowl. The team to beat in their division is losing 10+ starters.

The Giants should be trying to upgrade their roster with smart signings. Add young players to the core at a reasonable price.

I get not paying too of the market, but you add a few pieces this off-season and the Giants go from “overachieving bad team” to a legitimate NFC contender. This conference is up for grabs.

Jamel Dean, TJ Edwards both would’ve been great additions with the contracts they got. 26 and 27 years old.

Again, I’m not asking for a Bears-like spending spree- that hardly ever works. But Philly’s roster last year was literally built around good core that was supplemented through YEARS of great FA signings and trade acquisitions (Brown, CJGJ, Reddick, Hargrave, Bradberry, Slay).
RE: my favs are still available:  
SteelGiant : 3/13/2023 5:55 pm : link
In comment 16062354 shocktheworld said:
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Zach Allen DT AZ (age 25)
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)

If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!


Some other guys that I am interested in adding to your list
David Long LB TEN (age 26)
Mecole Hardman WR (age 25)
Devin Bush PIT (age 24)
Bears  
Sammo85 : 3/13/2023 5:58 pm : link
missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
RE: Bears  
Mike in NY : 3/13/2023 6:00 pm : link
In comment 16062395 Sammo85 said:
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missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.


If anyone has the salary to sign Orlando Brown and the experience with him it is Poles. That being said, not sure he is a good fit in a locker room that really doesn’t have someone to counter his me-first attitude.
RE: Bears  
dannyman3131 : 3/13/2023 6:02 pm : link
In comment 16062395 Sammo85 said:
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missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.



Nate Davis is a good get for them.
If you aren’t gunning for the Super Bowl after making the playoffs  
Rudy5757 : 3/13/2023 6:05 pm : link
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.

We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
Eagles gonna set a recrod for comp picks  
AcesUp : 3/13/2023 6:07 pm : link
Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.
RE: If you aren’t gunning for the Super Bowl after making the playoffs  
SteelGiant : 3/13/2023 6:17 pm : link
In comment 16062405 Rudy5757 said:
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Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.

We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.


I totally disagree
DJ deal is really not that hampering of a contract.
It allows them to stay competitive while they are still turning the roster, by end of year 2 of DJs contract we will either be making the a couple splashes in FA to make a run or DJ does not work and we go after and draft our next QB but at least our next QB will not be joining a team that is complete shit like DJ had to deal with.

This team is still going to have the goal of winning it all but not selling out financial stability until the team is talented enough to take the risk.
Mike Giardi  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/13/2023 6:17 pm : link
“ The wide receiver market slow to develop, at least as compared to other positions today. Not surprising when you consider the class. Who will be the first to agree to a deal and help establish the market? Robert Woods did a 2 year, 15 mil dollar deal with the Texans pre FA.”
RE: RE: Bears  
Sammo85 : 3/13/2023 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16062400 dannyman3131 said:
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missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.


Nate Davis is a good get for them.


He’s ok. Marginal G play. It’s an upgrade but they still need three OL.
Jones contract  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2023 6:34 pm : link
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
RE: Mike Giardi  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2023 6:35 pm : link
In comment 16062424 No1MDGiantsFan said:
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“ The wide receiver market slow to develop, at least as compared to other positions today. Not surprising when you consider the class. Who will be the first to agree to a deal and help establish the market? Robert Woods did a 2 year, 15 mil dollar deal with the Texans pre FA.”
not surprising when you look at the contracts. There are a few highly compensated guys, a host of lower end guys and practically nothing in between.
RE: Jones contract  
Everyone Relax : 3/13/2023 6:38 pm : link
In comment 16062436 HomerJones45 said:
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.


Oyy not this shit again
RE: Jones contract  
Mike in NY : 3/13/2023 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16062436 HomerJones45 said:
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.


Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
RE: my favs are still available:  
Vin_Cuccs : 3/13/2023 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16062354 shocktheworld said:
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Zach Allen DT AZ (age 25)
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)

If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!


This is basically my wish list as well. I also like Bobby Okereke as a LB option too.
David Long  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 6:39 pm : link
2 yrs, 11 mil to Miami

Now I’m getting a bit annoyed. That is a deal the Giants should be ALL over. I would’ve given him 3/18.

Then again, maybe they were, but he chose the state w/warm weather and no income tax.
Imagine crying over Jones contract,  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2023 6:40 pm : link
which the Giants can get out of in 2 years, and trying to shine a light on Watson's contract.
I’m all for being smart  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/13/2023 6:41 pm : link
But it appears this organization still does not value LBs no matter how bad we get gashed against run and by TEs year
RE: Imagine crying over Jones contract,  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/13/2023 6:42 pm : link
In comment 16062450 Dave in Hoboken said:
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which the Giants can get out of in 2 years, and trying to shine a light on Watson's contract.


Lol deal could have been for $10M a year and they would still be complaining. Haters gonna hate. And cry like bitches
RE: RE: my favs are still available:  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2023 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16062447 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Zach Allen DT AZ (age 25)
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)

If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!



This is basically my wish list as well. I also like Bobby Okereke as a LB option too.


Good list. I’d add Okereke, Byron Murphy (inside-out flexibility, young), and Dalton Schultz (would be awesome to get DJ a reliable target over the MOF)
Kudos BBI  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2023 6:52 pm : link
as much as it's believed we're a grumpy lot, you should read the cesspool of responses on Twitter.

A lot of really dumb football fans out there.
RE: If you aren’t gunning for the Super Bowl after making the playoffs  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2023 6:57 pm : link
In comment 16062405 Rudy5757 said:
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Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.

We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.


I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.

They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
RE: I’m all for being smart  
Sammo85 : 3/13/2023 6:57 pm : link
In comment 16062451 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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But it appears this organization still does not value LBs no matter how bad we get gashed against run and by TEs year


This post did not age well.
whew..  
shocktheworld : 3/13/2023 7:03 pm : link
The #Giants big splash of free agency: Sources say they have agreed to terms with #Colts FA LB Bobby Okereke, giving them a new face in the middle of their defense.
RE: Eagles gonna set a recrod for comp picks  
SJGiant : 3/13/2023 7:15 pm : link
In comment 16062409 AcesUp said:
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Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.


The maximum number of comp picks in one year is four no matter how many free agents they lose. You can get extra comp picks for special minority signings in front office. GM, etc.
RE: Eagles gonna set a recrod for comp picks  
Rudy5757 : 3/13/2023 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16062409 AcesUp said:
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Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.


Most of their FAs are on voided contracts and don’t factor into the comp pick formula.
Any word on Braxton Berrios?  
GiantSteps : 3/13/2023 7:53 pm : link
I’d like to see NYG go after him and some other LB
RE: RE: Jones contract  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2023 7:54 pm : link
In comment 16062446 Mike in NY said:
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.



Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
it is what it is. Carr got 33, Geno 25 and Jimmu G 21. We are paying 40 and another 5 to Taylor. But no matter. If you don’t think that’s an overpay that he couldn’t have got anywhere else, cool. If you think Jones is better than those guys, sorry you’re a homer letting your heart do your thinking for you.
RE: Jones contract  
section125 : 3/13/2023 8:01 pm : link
In comment 16062436 HomerJones45 said:
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.


You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
RE: RE: Eagles gonna set a recrod for comp picks  
AcesUp : 3/13/2023 8:15 pm : link
In comment 16062515 SJGiant said:
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Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.



The maximum number of comp picks in one year is four no matter how many free agents they lose. You can get extra comp picks for special minority signings in front office. GM, etc.


Wasn’t aware they capped it, good to know.

Rudy - Most of the guys they’re losing are unrestricted free agents. They’re not voided contracts.
massive deal for zach allen  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 8:48 pm : link
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Cardinals’ DE Zach Allen reached agreement on a three-year, $45.75 million deal that includes $32.5 million guaranteed at signing, per source. Allen is reunited with Denver DC Vance Joseph.


calais on a reasonable deal would be a great pickup here.
Broncos  
Sammo85 : 3/13/2023 9:04 pm : link
spending a ton of money so far. Guessing though they will be letting Risner walk.
RE: RE: Jones contract  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2023 9:05 pm : link
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.



You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.

But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
I gotta say I didn’t think  
djm : 3/13/2023 9:08 pm : link
Philly would lose so many guys. I don’t think I even realized they had so many FAs but they are taking body blows this offseason. I still trust they will be a major problem but they definitely took some hits. And the draft is never a sure thing hopefully they choke.
RE: RE: RE: Jones contract  
eric2425ny : 3/13/2023 9:09 pm : link
In comment 16062704 HomerJones45 said:
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.



You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.

it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.

But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.


Jones would have gotten that or more as a FA. No doubt in my mind. The league is starved for QB’s.
“Screwed for 3 years” is an overstatement  
Sean : 3/13/2023 9:09 pm : link
If Jones is a disaster and they bottom out, they’ll draft a QB. This is not a 5 year fully guaranteed contract.

I look at this as Alex Smith with the Chiefs. They’ll upgrade once the opportunity arises. If Jones reaches another level, great.
RE: Kudos BBI  
djm : 3/13/2023 9:14 pm : link
In comment 16062462 Eric from BBI said:
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as much as it's believed we're a grumpy lot, you should read the cesspool of responses on Twitter.

A lot of really dumb football fans out there.


It’s insanely stupid on Twitter. Better yet, childish. Matt in SGS is basically it for me when it comes to the twit.
RE: RE: If you aren’t gunning for the Super Bowl after making the playoffs  
paesan98 : 3/13/2023 9:32 pm : link
In comment 16062469 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.

We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.



I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.

They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.

Sorry, Rudy, but the only thing wrong is your perception of the situation. Last year the Giants had a few good pieces, virtually no depth, and had to fill in the gaps with 'bargain basement' players. But because we now have a GM that seems to know what he's doing, and a competent coaching staff, we made the playoffs and won a game. DJ earned and received a contract based on last year's performance and what they perceive of his future. While I do not doubt we will continue to strive to get to the Super Bowl, we still have a lot of work to do.
Vikings moving on from ZaDarius Smith..  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/13/2023 9:33 pm : link
That would be a coup.
RE: RE: RE: Jones contract  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2023 9:37 pm : link
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.



You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.

it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.

But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.


Which QB as good could we have signed for less and how do you guarantee that happens?
Talking about the Jones deal in this thread should be a ban  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2023 9:43 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: If you aren’t gunning for the Super Bowl after making the playoffs  
Rudy5757 : 3/13/2023 9:46 pm : link
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Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.

We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.



I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.

They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.


Sorry, Rudy, but the only thing wrong is your perception of the situation. Last year the Giants had a few good pieces, virtually no depth, and had to fill in the gaps with 'bargain basement' players. But because we now have a GM that seems to know what he's doing, and a competent coaching staff, we made the playoffs and won a game. DJ earned and received a contract based on last year's performance and what they perceive of his future. While I do not doubt we will continue to strive to get to the Super Bowl, we still have a lot of work to do.


Of coarse we have a lot of work to do and that’s my point. We are in the discussion and need to have a good off-season but it’s not out of the question to think we can be a Super Bowl team. We now have All-pro players and a few leaps from some guys next season from Neal and Thibs, and our rookie TE and a few others returning from injury and we are in the mix.

My point is that when you sign a QB to a top 9 money you better believe you are in the Superbowl mix or they should have let him walk. Things change fast in the NFL.
RE: Talking about the Jones deal in this thread should be a ban  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2023 9:47 pm : link
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It’s so tiresome
Giants really need to get an  
prdave73 : 3/13/2023 10:14 pm : link
offensive lineman?? This position is the key to success! Yes they need to draft some, but you need to get stud in FA. They missed out on Ben Powers, Nate Davis, and Connor McGovern. Isaac Seumalo or Garrett Bradbury would be good options.
RE: Vikings moving on from ZaDarius Smith..  
Payasdaddy : 3/13/2023 10:20 pm : link
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That would be a coup.


yes could be a nice get
RE: my favs are still available:  
Rory : 3/13/2023 11:14 pm : link
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Zach Allen DT AZ (age 25)
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)

If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!


and if we do that how do we sign/extend Dexter, AT, and Love?
Can't believe people are still talking about Jones in  
thefan : 3/14/2023 1:13 am : link
here. Look, I am incredibly neutral on the guy, but the deal is done and now its time to enjoy the rest of the off season and see how he does this year. Can the Giants figure out a way to at least split the series with Philly and Dallas? Maybe they can win the division this year. It's a better time to be a Giants fan and if Jones bombs out then well, we move on in 2-3 years.

I actually think Jones numbers will improve from last year.
Lot  
Toth029 : 3/14/2023 4:54 am : link
Of money thrown at Dalvin Tomlinson. Too much for my liking.

I like Zach Allen too but also a high AAV.
RE: Jones contract  
Red Right Hand : 3/14/2023 5:22 am : link
In comment 16062436 HomerJones45 said:
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
He knew he didn't want carr, geno, or garapolo. Neither did I. Jones was the move. We can move on in 2 years if we need to.
RE: RE: RE: Jones contract  
IchabodGiant : 3/14/2023 5:40 am : link
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.



You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.

it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.

But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.


“What’s done is done”

Proceeds to repeat himself nauseam in every thread. Refuses to move on.
Ravens in a pinch  
ZogZerg : 3/14/2023 8:01 am : link
have restructured two contracts - adding 4 Void years to free up money:


Gus Edwards, RB
Converted $2.3M of 2023 salary into signing bonus, adding 4 void years, clearing $2.844M of cap with Baltimore (BAL)


Kevin Zeitler, G
Converted $5.335M of 2023 salary into signing bonus, adding 4 void years, clearing $4.268M of cap with Baltimore (BAL)
Here's  
Y28 : 3/14/2023 8:02 am : link
an update from last night on LB Azeez Al-Shaair

He makes it clear he is leaving the 49ers. The article author speculates he goes to the Houston Texans, but the only thing confirmed is that he won't be in San Francisco.
Link - ( New Window )
Here are the numbers leaguewide from yesterday  
Y28 : 3/14/2023 8:08 am : link
Howard Balzer
@HBalzer721
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3h
By end of day Monday, there were 50 players that agreed to change teams and 33 that re-signed, plus 24 that had re-signed prior to Monday.
RE: Here's  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/14/2023 8:08 am : link
In comment 16062863 Y28 said:
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an update from last night on LB Azeez Al-Shaair

He makes it clear he is leaving the 49ers. The article author speculates he goes to the Houston Texans, but the only thing confirmed is that he won't be in San Francisco. Link - ( New Window )


Right now all signs point to the Texans unless they try to nickel-dime him.
.  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/14/2023 8:41 am : link
“ Jets are actively working to reach an agreement with Packers’ free-agent WR Allen Lazard, per league sources. There is another team involved, and no final decision, but the Jets are trying to reunite Lazard and OC Nathaniel Hackett.”
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Sammo85 : 3/14/2023 8:47 am : link
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“ Jets are actively working to reach an agreement with Packers’ free-agent WR Allen Lazard, per league sources. There is another team involved, and no final decision, but the Jets are trying to reunite Lazard and OC Nathaniel Hackett.”


Another telltale Rodgers is going there. Him and Lazard are close.
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AcesUp : 3/14/2023 8:50 am : link
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“ Jets are actively working to reach an agreement with Packers’ free-agent WR Allen Lazard, per league sources. There is another team involved, and no final decision, but the Jets are trying to reunite Lazard and OC Nathaniel Hackett.”


Elijah Moore could be on the trade market.
There are still a bunch of good DE's available.  
Klaatu : 3/14/2023 9:03 am : link
I hope the Giants sign one.
RE: Vikings moving on from ZaDarius Smith..  
TommyWiseau : 3/14/2023 9:11 am : link
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That would be a coup.


Where did you see this? Thought they did not want to let him go. He would be a great piece for Wink
RE: RE: RE: Jones contract  
Festina Lente : 3/14/2023 9:49 am : link
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.



Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.

it is what it is. Carr got 33, Geno 25 and Jimmu G 21. We are paying 40 and another 5 to Taylor. But no matter. If you don’t think that’s an overpay that he couldn’t have got anywhere else, cool. If you think Jones is better than those guys, sorry you’re a homer letting your heart do your thinking for you.


fwiw, i think you're right and probsbky most neutrals would agree but there is little room for dusagreement allowed on here
Jacobi Meyers  
charles355 : 3/14/2023 9:58 am : link
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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1 min
Sources: The #Raiders are signing #Patriots FA WR Jakobi Meyers to a 3-year deal with $33M with $21M guaranteed. Another NE-Las Vegas tie-in, and a weapon for Jimmy Garoppolo. The deal was negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Robert Bailey.
Jakobi Meyers signs 3 yes/33 mil and 21 gtd  
kelsto811 : 3/14/2023 9:58 am : link
That's great news for the WR market, no??
Giants remaining needs  
Breeze_94 : 3/14/2023 10:15 am : link
1. WR’s
2. C
3. CB2
4. LB2
5. EDGE Depth
6. TE2
7. DL Depth

C - Interested about the market for Garrett Bradbury. He’s be a big upgrade of Feliciano. If no to Bradbury, then likely we’ll see Feliciano + a rookie

TE2 - have a feeling Irv Smith may end up a Giant

WR’s - Meyers just signed for 11 apy. Wonder where that puts the value of Chark, Slayton, Campbell and Hardman.

Edge Depth - Justin Houston?

CB2 - Rock Ya Sin? Byron Murphy?

The longer you wait in FA, the more likely you are to get a bargain on these guys if they are still available
Not sure if already posted...  
rasbutant : 3/14/2023 10:36 am : link

Dalvin Tomlinson, DT

Signed a 4 year $57 million contract with Cleveland (CLE)
Washington is going with Sam Howell, I guess?  
RCPhoenix : 3/14/2023 10:42 am : link
Or are they going to draft a QB? Heinicke went to Atlanta.
I want James Bradberry back  
jmalls23 : 3/14/2023 11:39 am : link
We unfortunately ost him for a year but time to come home
Can we get Jones a receiver?  
GiAnT4LYFE : 3/14/2023 11:52 am : link
You can't invest all this money in him and not help him on the outside. I know it's unpopular, but bring in Beckham on a deal and see what WR is sitting at 25.
Gotta think this is the end of the line or close to it  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/14/2023 11:57 am : link
for FA's Jadeveon Clowney & JPP. Wouldn't be shocked to see both of them retire.
this nyg holding pattern is interesting  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 12:29 pm : link
2 starters hanging out who we know they want back (feliciano, love). are they just waiting to match whatever their best offers are?

obviously receiver depth chart is completely empty so the veteran wr trade rumors out there are interesting and sort of obvious.

the extension discussions with barkley are probably going to soften up as he continues to see other rbs sit out there on the market not getting big deals (or any deals). the same is true of adoree jackson, and probably lw to some degree too even though a lot of DL continue to get paid well.

they gave out 2 aggressive contracts to add 2 players in the front 7 they clearly liked with those markets moving yesterday.

given how the offense runs i think we'll see them target a specific WR in another splashy move as that market starts moving and then some corresponding cap work, probably in the form of a cap lowering extension for someone.
I know most don't like him but I think  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2023 12:37 pm : link
Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.

It might be to expensive either.
RE: this nyg holding pattern is interesting  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/14/2023 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16063244 Eric on Li said:
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2 starters hanging out who we know they want back (feliciano, love). are they just waiting to match whatever their best offers are?

obviously receiver depth chart is completely empty so the veteran wr trade rumors out there are interesting and sort of obvious.

the extension discussions with barkley are probably going to soften up as he continues to see other rbs sit out there on the market not getting big deals (or any deals). the same is true of adoree jackson, and probably lw to some degree too even though a lot of DL continue to get paid well.

they gave out 2 aggressive contracts to add 2 players in the front 7 they clearly liked with those markets moving yesterday.

given how the offense runs i think we'll see them target a specific WR in another splashy move as that market starts moving and then some corresponding cap work, probably in the form of a cap lowering extension for someone.


Would think there are multiple options that can be had for the right price and the price will come down the longer no team pays it.

Many teams for 1 reason or another such as cap space, not ready to compete and the WR is getting old, big contract coming up soon will have a guy out there they will be wanting to part with.

Who do we settle on: is it Hopkins? Jeudy? Evans? Or a bit of a surprise like Aiyuk or Pittman....

The only semi-high quality option in FA now is gone. And the price was pretty low for a WR.
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Strahan91 : 3/14/2023 12:43 pm : link
“Keep an eye out for the New York Giants” -
@MoveTheSticks
on Free Agent Dalton Schultz
two guys  
NYG22 : 3/14/2023 12:43 pm : link
I really like are CB Rock Ya-Sin and TE Foster Moreau; two high upside guys in their mid 20s both at need positions
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Bear vs Shark : 3/14/2023 12:44 pm : link
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“Keep an eye out for the New York Giants” -
@MoveTheSticks
on Free Agent Dalton Schultz
I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.
RE: I know most don't like him but I think  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 12:49 pm : link
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Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.

It might be to expensive either.


i could see it. i like hardman and my only big knock on him is that if there was upside it probably would have been unlocked with mahomes already. despite his speed he hasnt been able to hit as many big plays as you would think, but he probably doesnt get enough credit for turning himself into a reasonably polished receiver. above average drop rate for his career including the last 2 years, high catch%. would be an upgrade on richie james.
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MotownGIANTS : 3/14/2023 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16063262 Strahan91 said:
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“Keep an eye out for the New York Giants” -
@MoveTheSticks
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This would be nice. Be a very nice 2 TE set with a lot of flexibility.
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CornerStone246+17 : 3/14/2023 12:51 pm : link
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“Keep an eye out for the New York Giants” -
@MoveTheSticks
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I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.


Like him a lot too for this offense.

Gesicki is a similar talent though who might come cheaper due to suppressed production last year
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Strahan91 : 3/14/2023 12:52 pm : link
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Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.

It might be to expensive either.



i could see it. i like hardman and my only big knock on him is that if there was upside it probably would have been unlocked with mahomes already. despite his speed he hasnt been able to hit as many big plays as you would think, but he probably doesnt get enough credit for turning himself into a reasonably polished receiver. above average drop rate for his career including the last 2 years, high catch%. would be an upgrade on richie james.

It did seem like he was really starting to break out last year right before he got hurt
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Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 12:56 pm : link
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Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.

It might be to expensive either.



i could see it. i like hardman and my only big knock on him is that if there was upside it probably would have been unlocked with mahomes already. despite his speed he hasnt been able to hit as many big plays as you would think, but he probably doesnt get enough credit for turning himself into a reasonably polished receiver. above average drop rate for his career including the last 2 years, high catch%. would be an upgrade on richie james.


It did seem like he was really starting to break out last year right before he got hurt


yup in the game he got hurt he drew a few big pass interferences down field also (believe he actually got hurt landing awkwardly on one of them after a defender hit him early).

he only just turned 25 also. he'd be a good signing if they can get him away from KC affordably.
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Jay on the Island : 3/14/2023 12:57 pm : link
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“Keep an eye out for the New York Giants” -
@MoveTheSticks
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I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.



Like him a lot too for this offense.

Gesicki is a similar talent though who might come cheaper due to suppressed production last year

Schultz and Gisecki are completely different talents. Schultz is a great blocker and a dependable receiver. Gisecki is a great athlete and very fast but he’s a terrible blocker.
Did Lamar just sign???  
rasbutant : 3/14/2023 12:58 pm : link
Lamar Jackson
@Lj_era8
133/3years fully guaranteed😒 but I need a agent? 🤣🤦🏾‍♂️


I'm not good with Twitter though. Maybe he is just laughing at someone that suggested this???
RE: RE: Vikings moving on from ZaDarius Smith..  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/14/2023 12:59 pm : link
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That would be a coup.



Where did you see this? Thought they did not want to let him go. He would be a great piece for Wink


Stapleton mentioned it last night after they signed Davenport but he might have jumped the gun.
RE: I know most don't like him but I think  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2023 1:01 pm : link
In comment 16063251 Rjanyg said:
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Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.

It might be to expensive either.

The WR’s I wanted going into free agency were the buy low types like Hardman, Parris Campbell, and DJ Chark. The giants will more than likely draft a WR early in the draft but they also need another 2-3 on the depth chart.
What do you guys think of Sean Murphy Bunting?  
SteelGiant : 3/14/2023 1:05 pm : link
Is he out of our price range?
What do you think of him?

I was just looking through some free agents and he looks interesting
.  
Strahan91 : 3/14/2023 1:08 pm : link
"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
@Schultz_Report
on the
@PatMcAfeeShow
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Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 1:14 pm : link
In comment 16063322 Strahan91 said:
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"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
@Schultz_Report
on the
@PatMcAfeeShow


id be pretty shocked and a little disappointed if they did this after the plane video. i was all for it up until then, and i do think he'd be a really good fit talent wise. seems like the same self centered d-bag that forced his way out in the first place though.
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CornerStone246+17 : 3/14/2023 1:21 pm : link
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“Keep an eye out for the New York Giants” -
@MoveTheSticks
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I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.



Like him a lot too for this offense.

Gesicki is a similar talent though who might come cheaper due to suppressed production last year


Schultz and Gisecki are completely different talents. Schultz is a great blocker and a dependable receiver. Gisecki is a great athlete and very fast but he’s a terrible blocker.


Jay didn't realize the disparity in the blocking ability. If the cost is anywhere close then Shultz is most definitely preferable.
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bw in dc : 3/14/2023 1:22 pm : link
In comment 16063322 Strahan91 said:
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"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
@Schultz_Report
on the
@PatMcAfeeShow


Team OBJ are apparently big contract hunting. And there is NFW I would pay him anything remotely close to the apparent ask.

But I have ZERO interest in rekindling this football relationship. I ask the question all of the time - why would you suddenly trust this guy to be dependable, accountable, self-less, etc.

Adding him would be a real downer for me...
RE: Did Lamar just sign???  
Amtoft : 3/14/2023 1:23 pm : link
In comment 16063303 rasbutant said:
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Lamar Jackson
@Lj_era8
133/3years fully guaranteed😒 but I need a agent? 🤣🤦🏾‍♂️


I'm not good with Twitter though. Maybe he is just laughing at someone that suggested this???


No he turned down that offer... He was saying look I am getting a big offer what do I need an agent for. Plus other teams can't even offer him yet. So he will see what he can get from other teams.
RE: Jacobi Meyers  
Amtoft : 3/14/2023 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16062990 charles355 said:
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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1 min
Sources: The #Raiders are signing #Patriots FA WR Jakobi Meyers to a 3-year deal with $33M with $21M guaranteed. Another NE-Las Vegas tie-in, and a weapon for Jimmy Garoppolo. The deal was negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Robert Bailey.


Great deal here.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 3/14/2023 1:34 pm : link
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"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
@Schultz_Report
on the
@PatMcAfeeShow



Team OBJ are apparently big contract hunting. And there is NFW I would pay him anything remotely close to the apparent ask.

But I have ZERO interest in rekindling this football relationship. I ask the question all of the time - why would you suddenly trust this guy to be dependable, accountable, self-less, etc.

Adding him would be a real downer for me...


One very real disconnect between fans and the reality of that entire situation is the perception that he wasn't dependable or accountable. Not a single Giants player or personnel person aside from the GM which turned the team into a dumpster fire ever implied that he wasn't extremely hardworking or a good teammate. He practiced and player hard and run blocked. People don't like admitting that because it doesn't fit the script.

The Giants have shown interest in him at each of these workouts and if they sign him, it's because he has something to offer.
@diannaESPN  
BigBlue2112 : 3/14/2023 1:40 pm : link

Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.
1:35 PM · Mar 14, 2023
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Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 1:41 pm : link
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"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
@Schultz_Report
on the
@PatMcAfeeShow



Team OBJ are apparently big contract hunting. And there is NFW I would pay him anything remotely close to the apparent ask.

But I have ZERO interest in rekindling this football relationship. I ask the question all of the time - why would you suddenly trust this guy to be dependable, accountable, self-less, etc.

Adding him would be a real downer for me...



One very real disconnect between fans and the reality of that entire situation is the perception that he wasn't dependable or accountable. Not a single Giants player or personnel person aside from the GM which turned the team into a dumpster fire ever implied that he wasn't extremely hardworking or a good teammate. He practiced and player hard and run blocked. People don't like admitting that because it doesn't fit the script.

The Giants have shown interest in him at each of these workouts and if they sign him, it's because he has something to offer.


how was he a good teammate when he threw his teammates under the bus in the lil wayne interview?

the nyg showed interest in him before the video from the plane got out, and since then despite a major need at wr there hasn't been much connecting them. they sent the wr coach only to his showcase.

i was all for signing him a few months ago but if they sign him after the plane video it will be their first compromise on the type of behavior they've preached. i dont see it given the contract demands and the obvious risks coming off surgery.
Aaron Rodgers wish list includes  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/14/2023 1:47 pm : link
Odell Beckham plus a handful of his own guys. This guy is really something. Going to an already loaded team isn't enough for him. This is NBA stuff...
RE: @diannaESPN  
ZogZerg : 3/14/2023 1:52 pm : link
In comment 16063375 BigBlue2112 said:
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Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.
1:35 PM · Mar 14, 2023


LOL!! I can't wait to watch this disaster....
RE: RE: @diannaESPN  
Everyone Relax : 3/14/2023 1:53 pm : link
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Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.
1:35 PM · Mar 14, 2023



LOL!! I can't wait to watch this disaster....


Oof, no way this can end well. They should have made Carr the priority
The Eagles  
pjcas18 : 3/14/2023 1:59 pm : link
are going to get a lot of comp picks. I think.
TTH...  
bw in dc : 3/14/2023 2:12 pm : link
I'm not questioning OBJ's work ethic.

But even if you carve out his very questionable antics (I'm not), he's cracked 30 and his career has become riddled with injuries. That alone should raise Buyer Beware signals, even at 50% of his asinine ask.
RE: Eagles gonna set a recrod for comp picks  
Darth Paul : 3/14/2023 2:19 pm : link
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Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.
RE: The Eagles  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 2:20 pm : link
In comment 16063412 pjcas18 said:
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are going to get a lot of comp picks. I think.


they are a lock to max out the 4. just a question of how high they are.
RE: RE: Eagles gonna set a recrod for comp picks  
BigBlueShock : 3/14/2023 2:24 pm : link
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Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.


Their backups? Who? These guys signing were all starters for them.
Very nice singing on Darren Waller, but  
prdave73 : 3/14/2023 3:20 pm : link
The Giants need to put the focus on the Oline! I keep saying this but it’s key to becoming dominate. Just look at the two teams in the SB.. enough said..
Dianna Russini says Giants aren’t done yet  
Breeze_94 : 3/14/2023 3:26 pm : link
And looking to add a WR

Jeudy is interesting but would be hesitant to give up a 2. A 3 this year and 4 next year I’d be on board with

Gave Davis could be another name to watch…

RE: Dianna Russini says Giants aren’t done yet  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/14/2023 3:49 pm : link
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Jeudy is interesting but would be hesitant to give up a 2. A 3 this year and 4 next year I’d be on board with

Gave Davis could be another name to watch…


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RE: Dianna Russini says Giants aren’t done yet  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/14/2023 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16063745 Breeze_94 said:
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And looking to add a WR

Jeudy is interesting but would be hesitant to give up a 2. A 3 this year and 4 next year I’d be on board with

Gave Davis could be another name to watch…


If the Giants are going to use a late first or a second rounder on a WR anyway, I'd probably go with Jeudy. The contract is a separate issue to navigate, but trading a 2 isn't a big roadblock to me.
RE: RE: RE: Eagles gonna set a recrod for comp picks  
AcesUp : 3/14/2023 4:04 pm : link
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Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.




Their backups? Who? These guys signing were all starters for them.


Andre Dillard signed for almost 10m/yr.
These  
Amtoft : 3/14/2023 4:32 pm : link
WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.
Lazard reportedly about to go to the Jets  
dpinzow : 3/14/2023 4:39 pm : link
4 years, $44 million. A crazy overpay. He's a #3 receiver
RE: RE: Dianna Russini says Giants aren’t done yet  
dpinzow : 3/14/2023 4:40 pm : link
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And looking to add a WR

Jeudy is interesting but would be hesitant to give up a 2. A 3 this year and 4 next year I’d be on board with

Gave Davis could be another name to watch…




If the Giants are going to use a late first or a second rounder on a WR anyway, I'd probably go with Jeudy. The contract is a separate issue to navigate, but trading a 2 isn't a big roadblock to me.


If so the Giants need to make a couple of draft day moves to recoup the second round and third round picks. They still have 11 picks but 8 of them are 4th round and later
RE: These  
dpinzow : 3/14/2023 4:46 pm : link
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WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.


Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs
RE: RE: These  
drake88 : 3/14/2023 4:50 pm : link
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WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.



Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs


I'm surprised they didn't try to sign Greg Jennings or Donald Driver
The Aaron Rogers Jets saga  
Bruner4329 : 3/14/2023 4:55 pm : link
reminds me of the second coming of the Durant/Irving Nets. They wanted their guys to join them and we all now how that turned out. Going for instant gratification by selling your soul to the devil does not work. The Jets will be a disaster 2 years from now if Rogers comes. You can bank on it.
RE: The Aaron Rogers Jets saga  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/14/2023 4:58 pm : link
In comment 16063955 Bruner4329 said:
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reminds me of the second coming of the Durant/Irving Nets. They wanted their guys to join them and we all now how that turned out. Going for instant gratification by selling your soul to the devil does not work. The Jets will be a disaster 2 years from now if Rogers comes. You can bank on it.


It already started. They gave an average wr 44 mil while having a loaded wr group already
RE: RE: The Aaron Rogers Jets saga  
JayBinQueens : 3/14/2023 5:04 pm : link
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reminds me of the second coming of the Durant/Irving Nets. They wanted their guys to join them and we all now how that turned out. Going for instant gratification by selling your soul to the devil does not work. The Jets will be a disaster 2 years from now if Rogers comes. You can bank on it.



It already started. They gave an average wr 44 mil while having a loaded wr group already


They basically swap in Lazard for Corey Davis to make Rodgers happy. Curious to see the full details of the contract. Saw only 22m guaranteed
RE: RE: These  
Amtoft : 3/14/2023 5:12 pm : link
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WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.



Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs


He was projected to get more... Not to mention 11 per most likely is going to turn into a 3 year 8-9 per
Wait, Lazard got more than Meyers?  
Anakim : 3/14/2023 5:13 pm : link
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Lazard  
Sammo85 : 3/14/2023 5:18 pm : link
will be off the books when time comes for Wilson’s big guarantees and new contract. Not a big deal. Slight overpay but it’s not dramatic. Lazard is also a borderline elite blocker as a WR.
RE: RE: These  
bw in dc : 3/14/2023 5:20 pm : link
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WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.



Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs


Looks like $22M guaranteed. So, I'd like to see more details.

I like Lazard and think he's a WR2 minus. And he's a tremendous blocker, which the Jets should like with their potential to be a very solid running team.
Question for all the people who think Lazard is good  
dpinzow : 3/14/2023 5:26 pm : link
If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it
Lazard is nothing special at all.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2023 5:32 pm : link
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3x38m for bradberry with 20m guaranteed  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2023 5:35 pm : link
im not sure how much more he got himself by not extending last year but i dont think it's that much. 12.66m per year basically with 2 years guaranteed.
Aaron Rodgers...  
Chris in Philly : 3/14/2023 5:37 pm : link
was bitching because they wouldn't get him any WR's and now he's making the Jets sign the same average WR's he got sick of throwing too. Nice.
RE: RE: RE: These  
BigBlueShock : 3/14/2023 5:38 pm : link
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WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.



Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs



Looks like $22M guaranteed. So, I'd like to see more details.

I like Lazard and think he's a WR2 minus. And he's a tremendous blocker, which the Jets should like with their potential to be a very solid running team.

Lazard has never had even 800 yards receiving. In fact, ‘22 was the only year he broke 700. If the Giants signed that kind of production to $22M guaranteed you’d lose your mind.

It’s amazing how much more forgiving and complimentary you are when it’s other teams
RE: Aaron Rodgers...  
Amtoft : 3/14/2023 5:39 pm : link
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was bitching because they wouldn't get him any WR's and now he's making the Jets sign the same average WR's he got sick of throwing too. Nice.


Hahaha that is funny
Andy Dalton signs with the Panthers  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/14/2023 5:57 pm : link
2 year deal. I’m certain they are going taking Richardson now.
Called this a few days ago  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/14/2023 6:02 pm : link
Why wouldn’t the Panthers swing for the fences. None of the QBs are a sure thing, so you swing for the guy with the highest upside.
Andy Dalton to the Panthers - ( New Window )
RE: Question for all the people who think Lazard is good  
bw in dc : 3/14/2023 6:16 pm : link
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If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it


I would need to see more details, but the $22M guaranteed doesn't seem bad for a four-year deal.

However, if searching for a WR1 solution the only way to solve that this year is either trade or the draft.
RE: Question for all the people who think Lazard is good  
UConn4523 : 3/14/2023 6:17 pm : link
In comment 16064017 dpinzow said:
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If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it


No, I wouldn’t. He’s kinda like Slayton. As long as he isn’t one of your top targets he’s fine but never in a million years would I enjoy paying a guy like Lazard that kind of money.
.  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/14/2023 6:20 pm : link
“ Source: #Cowboys 'close' to re-signing linebacker Leighton Vander Esch.”
RE: RE: RE: RE: These  
bw in dc : 3/14/2023 6:21 pm : link
In comment 16064038 BigBlueShock said:
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Lazard has never had even 800 yards receiving. In fact, ‘22 was the only year he broke 700. If the Giants signed that kind of production to $22M guaranteed you’d lose your mind.

It’s amazing how much more forgiving and complimentary you are when it’s other teams


Let's review. I said the $22M guaranteed over 4 years didn't seem that bad and I would need to see more details. Where did I say I wished NYG signed him to that contract?

I'm all for criticism, but only when it's accurate. In this case, no surprise, you are wrong because I criticize players from other teams frequently.

I can't control what you read.
RE: RE: Question for all the people who think Lazard is good  
dpinzow : 3/14/2023 6:31 pm : link
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If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it



I would need to see more details, but the $22M guaranteed doesn't seem bad for a four-year deal.

However, if searching for a WR1 solution the only way to solve that this year is either trade or the draft.


$22 million guaranteed to Allen Lazard is $22 million more than I would give him, and thank goodness Joe Schoen didn’t do that either
RE: RE: RE: Question for all the people who think Lazard is good  
Amtoft : 3/14/2023 9:13 pm : link
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If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it



I would need to see more details, but the $22M guaranteed doesn't seem bad for a four-year deal.

However, if searching for a WR1 solution the only way to solve that this year is either trade or the draft.



$22 million guaranteed to Allen Lazard is $22 million more than I would give him, and thank goodness Joe Schoen didn’t do that either


No offense, but who cares if is more than you would give him. You are a fan who looked at some stats and think you know more than you do. Fact is most people thought he would sign for more. Probably wanted to stay with Aaron Rodgers.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Question for all the people who think Lazard is good  
dpinzow : 3/14/2023 9:45 pm : link
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If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it



I would need to see more details, but the $22M guaranteed doesn't seem bad for a four-year deal.

However, if searching for a WR1 solution the only way to solve that this year is either trade or the draft.



$22 million guaranteed to Allen Lazard is $22 million more than I would give him, and thank goodness Joe Schoen didn’t do that either



No offense, but who cares if is more than you would give him. You are a fan who looked at some stats and think you know more than you do. Fact is most people thought he would sign for more. Probably wanted to stay with Aaron Rodgers.


No way, most Packers fans are laughing at the deal
OK, who was giving Allen Lazard  
dpinzow : 3/14/2023 9:48 pm : link
more than $11 million a year for four years? LOL
RE: OK, who was giving Allen Lazard  
JayBinQueens : 3/14/2023 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16064346 dpinzow said:
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more than $11 million a year for four years? LOL


What are the actual contract numbers? 4 years 44m doesn't tell us much
RE: RE: OK, who was giving Allen Lazard  
dpinzow : 3/14/2023 10:02 pm : link
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more than $11 million a year for four years? LOL



What are the actual contract numbers? 4 years 44m doesn't tell us much


If the Giants paid a #3 receiver $11 million we would be flipping out, especially after the Kenny Golladay experience
Nobody should be calling for us to trade more draft capital  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/14/2023 11:22 pm : link
With that said the current FA OBJ odds are
1. +250 Dallas
2. +300 bills
3. +400 giants

… make it happen
CB Tavierre Thomas  
Breeze_94 : 3/15/2023 1:40 am : link
is a guy the Giants have shown interest in.

He's quietly been one of the better slot CB's in the league over the last 2 years playing for the Texans.

Sticky in coverage...seems like he'd be a nice upgrade over Holmes.
Thomas was  
Breeze_94 : 3/15/2023 1:43 am : link
2022:

1st in yds/snap
1st in passer rating allowed

2021:
2nd in yds/snap
4th in passer rating allowed

amongst qualifying slot CB's (at least 150 snaps
I would have liked this one….  
rasbutant : 3/15/2023 9:05 am : link

Byron Murphy, CB
Signed a 2 year $22 million contract with Minnesota (MIN
I thought this was odd  
Y28 : 3/15/2023 9:21 am : link
Who needs an NFL agent, when you can just post on social media??

Indeed !!!

Justin Pugh
@JustinPugh
·
8h
Loved my time in NY. I’d want to play LG and I’d want fair market value. I’m worth way more then minimum. I don’t need to sign tomorrow. (I would for the right deal). I have ACL recovery plus when teams realize that rookie they drafted can’t pass protect I’ll have more value!
Dalton Risner and Rock Ya Sin  
Capt. Don : 3/15/2023 9:21 am : link
Have not seen any rumors on these two. They could help shore up some position groups that are light.

They are not FA signings that would greatly alter draft strategy but they would give us more flexibility.
RE: Lazard reportedly about to go to the Jets  
ryanmkeane : 3/15/2023 9:31 am : link
In comment 16063923 dpinzow said:
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4 years, $44 million. A crazy overpay. He's a #3 receiver

I would imagine it is more like a 1 year deal
RE: RE: RE: OK, who was giving Allen Lazard  
JayBinQueens : 3/15/2023 9:37 am : link
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more than $11 million a year for four years? LOL



What are the actual contract numbers? 4 years 44m doesn't tell us much



If the Giants paid a #3 receiver $11 million we would be flipping out, especially after the Kenny Golladay experience


You're looking at it in a vacuum. This is a guy they needed to get for Rodgers and it doesn't seem like he's going to be on the books for more than a couple of years. Releasing Corey Davis, who was never really healthy covers this years' cost.


I would also hope our GM wouldn't hesitate to bring in a player because they've made a mistake on another player in the past
RE: Dalton Risner and Rock Ya Sin  
SteelGiant : 3/15/2023 10:05 am : link
In comment 16064626 Capt. Don said:
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Have not seen any rumors on these two. They could help shore up some position groups that are light.

They are not FA signings that would greatly alter draft strategy but they would give us more flexibility.


CB Sean Murphy Bunting is another one worth checking out
Stapleton  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/15/2023 10:08 am : link
“Expecting some more action today.”
Depending on price  
Knickstape : 3/15/2023 10:08 am : link
I’d love to see them go get another LB

Wagner , lavonte David , tranquil , Devin bush and a few others still available
RE: RE: Lazard reportedly about to go to the Jets  
BigBlueShock : 3/15/2023 10:23 am : link
In comment 16064644 ryanmkeane said:
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4 years, $44 million. A crazy overpay. He's a #3 receiver


I would imagine it is more like a 1 year deal

He got $22M guaranteed
RE: Depending on price  
Toth029 : 3/15/2023 12:03 pm : link
In comment 16064722 Knickstape said:
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I’d love to see them go get another LB

Wagner , lavonte David , tranquil , Devin bush and a few others still available


Bush is not any good and Wagner is going to the Seahawks most likely.
I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on these guys:  
Anakim : 3/15/2023 12:09 pm : link
DL Poona Ford
DL Calais Campbell
ER Leonard Floyd
ER Justin Houston
ILB Devin Bush
ILB Anthony Walker
ILB Bobby Wagner
CB Marcus Peters
CB Shaq Griffin



And one of the many quality safeties out there
^  
ColHowPepper : 3/15/2023 12:30 pm : link
good gosh, by and large that's an old folks' retirees' bridge farm
….  
Knickstape : 3/15/2023 12:34 pm : link
Jerry Jeudy has been a hot name this week. The Broncos’ asking price on Jeudy has been at least a first-round pick, per sources. @TheAthletic
Ive seen several writers say  
blueblood : 3/15/2023 12:45 pm : link
expect more.. but no speculation on whats brewing..
The Bills  
Tom from LI : 3/15/2023 12:52 pm : link
have restructured the contract of WR Stefon Diggs, converting base salary into a bonus and creating another $5.4M in cap space.

A couple of people are insinuating that this makes him easier to trade.

Could this be a trade between the Bills and the Giants? I also heard that he might be traded to the Cowboys. That he wants to play with his brother.

Why on earth would Buffalo trade Diggs?  
Strahan91 : 3/15/2023 12:56 pm : link
They did that to create space to resign Poyer and add other FA’s, not create a gaping irreplaceable hole
RE: Why on earth would Buffalo trade Diggs?  
Tom from LI : 3/15/2023 12:57 pm : link
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They did that to create space to resign Poyer and add other FA’s, not create a gaping irreplaceable hole


Plus the cap hit and dead money would be devasting...

A lot of arm chair GM's out there in the twitterverse
If I had to guess  
Breeze_94 : 3/15/2023 1:00 pm : link
WR Mecole Hardman
CB Tavierre Thomas or Tre Herndon
C Jon Feliciano
Edge Jihad Ward
A camp arm QB

Would be the rest of the Giants signings

Then they go into the draft with receiver, C, Edge Depth and Corner as top priorities. Throw some darts in the late rounds for LB, RB, swing tackle and DL Depth.
we still need to sign  
Amtoft : 3/15/2023 1:10 pm : link
C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.
RE: we still need to sign  
Anakim : 3/15/2023 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16065219 Amtoft said:
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C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.


Wouldn't call it a need to re-sign Feliciano :P
RE: RE: we still need to sign  
Amtoft : 3/15/2023 1:24 pm : link
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C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.



Wouldn't call it a need to re-sign Feliciano :P


hahaha ... nice
RE: we still need to sign  
Jay on the Island : 3/15/2023 1:32 pm : link
In comment 16065219 Amtoft said:
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C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.

I wouldn't call Feliciano a must sign. He was decent but this team needs a better player in the middle. If he is brought back then I hope the Giants draft a G/C on day two or early day 3 to compete with him.
RE: RE: we still need to sign  
Eric on Li : 3/15/2023 1:36 pm : link
In comment 16065266 Jay on the Island said:
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C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.


I wouldn't call Feliciano a must sign. He was decent but this team needs a better player in the middle. If he is brought back then I hope the Giants draft a G/C on day two or early day 3 to compete with him.


i think it's a near certainty he's back now with most of the other UFA C's off the board including Gates.

I think it's also a near certainty that they draft someone to groom behind him and maybe compete with Bredeson/Ezeudu at LG.
RE: RE: RE: we still need to sign  
Jay on the Island : 3/15/2023 1:49 pm : link
In comment 16065276 Eric on Li said:
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i think it's a near certainty he's back now with most of the other UFA C's off the board including Gates.

I think it's also a near certainty that they draft someone to groom behind him and maybe compete with Bredeson/Ezeudu at LG.

I just looked at the remaining centers on the market and my god is it barren. There are some guards who have played center that are somewhat intriguing like Graham Glasgow and former Giant Evan Brown.
RE: RE: RE: RE: we still need to sign  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/15/2023 1:54 pm : link
In comment 16065308 Jay on the Island said:
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i think it's a near certainty he's back now with most of the other UFA C's off the board including Gates.

I think it's also a near certainty that they draft someone to groom behind him and maybe compete with Bredeson/Ezeudu at LG.


I just looked at the remaining centers on the market and my god is it barren. There are some guards who have played center that are somewhat intriguing like Graham Glasgow and former Giant Evan Brown.


I have my mock drafts going WR-OC-CB. I'd love to draft a center in the first few rounds.
RE: If I had to guess  
Rjanyg : 3/15/2023 1:55 pm : link
In comment 16065205 Breeze_94 said:
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WR Mecole Hardman
CB Tavierre Thomas or Tre Herndon
C Jon Feliciano
Edge Jihad Ward
A camp arm QB

Would be the rest of the Giants signings

Then they go into the draft with receiver, C, Edge Depth and Corner as top priorities. Throw some darts in the late rounds for LB, RB, swing tackle and DL Depth.


This sounds about right and I am good with it.
RE: RE: we still need to sign  
Payasdaddy : 3/15/2023 2:20 pm : link
In comment 16065266 Jay on the Island said:
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C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.


I wouldn't call Feliciano a must sign. He was decent but this team needs a better player in the middle. If he is brought back then I hope the Giants draft a G/C on day two or early day 3 to compete with him.

I still think BB may be better at OC and get a chance
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Jay on the Island : 3/15/2023 2:30 pm : link
In comment 16065364 Payasdaddy said:
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I still think BB may be better at OC and get a chance

I think so too. Bredeson was working with the second team at center for most of the offseason and he reportedly impressed. He did look solid in the preseason as well.
An interesting  
Toth029 : 3/15/2023 3:00 pm : link
Move by Baltimore is not tendering their S Geno Stone. Been a solid player for them, starting 7 games last year.

Now a FA and we will see how Wink feels about it.
I don't get the need to bring back Julian Love at near 6-8M per  
arniefez : 3/15/2023 3:01 pm : link
I think he's a pretty good tackler but at best an average coverage player with average or even below average speed. I think Jason Pinnock could be an upgrade and costs less than 1M. The Giants drafted a safety last year and could draft another one this year (it's one of the deeper positions in the draft).

I think the Giants could use that money more effectively in the front 7 or OL.
Around this time yesterday the bomb dropped with Waller  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/15/2023 3:02 pm : link
But all seems verrrrry quiet on the western front right now
wow...  
Tom from LI : 3/15/2023 3:04 pm : link

Ian Rapoport
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The #Patriots are giving WR JuJu Smith-Schuster a 3-year deal worth $33m, source said. A big investment.
RE: wow...  
Payasdaddy : 3/15/2023 3:13 pm : link
In comment 16065483 Tom from LI said:
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Ian Rapoport
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The #Patriots are giving WR JuJu Smith-Schuster a 3-year deal worth $33m, source said. A big investment.


i dont see how odell tops this
heck, due to two acl, he should get less
Receiver group  
Think I've Had Enough : 3/15/2023 3:13 pm : link
featuring Waller, Bellinger, Hodgins, Wan'dale, Shepard, and Slayton is interesting but could stand to add a WR1. Slayton takes too much heat for the drops.
RE: RE: wow...  
Eric on Li : 3/15/2023 3:17 pm : link
In comment 16065511 Payasdaddy said:
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Ian Rapoport
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The #Patriots are giving WR JuJu Smith-Schuster a 3-year deal worth $33m, source said. A big investment.



i dont see how odell tops this
heck, due to two acl, he should get less


i think that depends on how he looked at his workout (including whatever gps times he's hitting right now). jjss has had a number of injuries and even with mahomes had a meh year. the last time we saw obj he was making a big impact on a sb run, and supposedly the previous acl surgery was an issue that got corrected with the most recent one.

i dont like obj for nyg for off field reasons but i think there's a chance whatever deal he signs is messaged as a 3x50m with a little more guaranteed than whatever jjss gets. unless he didnt look good at his showcase.
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allstarjim : 3/15/2023 3:17 pm : link
In comment 16065511 Payasdaddy said:
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Ian Rapoport
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The #Patriots are giving WR JuJu Smith-Schuster a 3-year deal worth $33m, source said. A big investment.



i dont see how odell tops this
heck, due to two acl, he should get less


I think he will, in non-GTD money. But the Meyers and JJSS signings does ballpark him I would think at below $15M AAV.

With JJSS and Meyers off the board, to me OBJ is the last of the higher-tier WRs with respect to this free agency class, left on the market.
RE: Receiver group  
Payasdaddy : 3/15/2023 3:18 pm : link
In comment 16065512 Think I've Had Enough said:
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featuring Waller, Bellinger, Hodgins, Wan'dale, Shepard, and Slayton is interesting but could stand to add a WR1. Slayton takes too much heat for the drops.

we still need alot more wandale might not be ready until playoffs drive and he only played a few games last yr
doesnt have to be a wr1 a solid wr2 would help or draft pick
RE: Odell talk  
Breeze_94 : 3/15/2023 4:25 pm : link
Giving him anything more than a 1 year incentive based deal would be insane.

He did not play last year, has had 2 serious ACL injuries to the same knee. He’ll be a 31 year old receiver whose game was largely driven by quick twitch and explosiveness.

I really hope the Giants aren’t the team that gives him a multi year deal.

I don’t think his market is hot either- it seems he’s asking to be compensated for what he was pre-knee injury (based on a workout where he ran routes versus air)
I don't want anything to do with Beckham  
Jay on the Island : 3/15/2023 4:29 pm : link
after the plane incident. He showed his true colors then and I wouldn't want to add that into this locker room.
RE: I don't want anything to do with Beckham  
Eric on Li : 3/15/2023 4:32 pm : link
In comment 16065643 Jay on the Island said:
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after the plane incident. He showed his true colors then and I wouldn't want to add that into this locker room.


agreed. listening to the waller interview is refreshing, keep getting guys like that.
Raanan  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/15/2023 5:21 pm : link
“Think you can expect the Giants to sign a WR and monitor the trade market. It's a position they still intend to seriously address.”
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Strahan91 : 3/15/2023 5:24 pm : link
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I've heard some buzz today about the #Giants connected to D.J. Chark and Mecole Hardman. We'll see if that has any legs. You'd expect them to explore all options on the market.
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Breeze_94 : 3/15/2023 5:43 pm : link
In comment 16065708 Strahan91 said:
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I've heard some buzz today about the #Giants connected to D.J. Chark and Mecole Hardman. We'll see if that has any legs. You'd expect them to explore all options on the market.


Both offer speed which is what this WR group needs. I like it.

Would expect 2 yrs 20 mil range for Chark. Hardman probably a bit less- he may even want to do a 1 year prove it deal given his age. Would set himself up to cash in next off-season.
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Jay on the Island : 3/15/2023 5:50 pm : link
In comment 16065741 Breeze_94 said:
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Art Stapleton
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I've heard some buzz today about the #Giants connected to D.J. Chark and Mecole Hardman. We'll see if that has any legs. You'd expect them to explore all options on the market.



Both offer speed which is what this WR group needs. I like it.

Would expect 2 yrs 20 mil range for Chark. Hardman probably a bit less- he may even want to do a 1 year prove it deal given his age. Would set himself up to cash in next off-season.

I think Hardman can be had for a 1 year $3.5 million contract with incentives. I have no idea what Chark will command but 2 for $20 sounds fair.
Hardman adds a special teams dimension as punt returner  
Rick in Dallas : 3/15/2023 6:00 pm : link
I don’t want to overpay either one of these guys. Much prefer to add WR’s through the draft.
RE: Raanan  
dpinzow : 3/15/2023 6:37 pm : link
In comment 16065705 No1MDGiantsFan said:
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“Think you can expect the Giants to sign a WR and monitor the trade market. It's a position they still intend to seriously address.”


Sign a WR in this market is probably Hardman to replace Slayton as the deep threat, if I had to guess.

I can't imagine Schoen allowing Denver to dictate terms to him on Jeudy. Denver's price has to come down quite a bit. There's no way Schoen gives up a first round pick there. I still think Hopkins is a possibility because the Cardinals have virtually no market for him. A report from ESPN a couple of days ago said only one team was interested in Hopkins
I wonder what all the  
section125 : 3/16/2023 7:51 am : link
cheapish RB contracts are doing to Saquon's agents? Now add in Zeke being released....
I know a lot of the RBs signed are not in Barkley's class, but still...
I don't want him to force it..  
Tom from LI : 3/16/2023 7:59 am : link
I am actually good with being done chasing upper-tier players.

For Jeudy a 3&5 would have been cool with doing. Now the more I think about it, we are better off not overpaying. It wasn't meant to be.

I don't want Odell back. Forget Hopkins. I want younger and cheaper talent.

I am ready to move on to the draft.

I would  
g56blue10 : 3/16/2023 8:09 am : link
Still do a 2nd & 5th for Jeudy but it appears that’s not an option I don’t want to part with a first for him either
Steelers cut Myles Jack  
Ben in Tampa : 3/16/2023 11:28 am : link
Could be an interesting option for ILB. Only 28, was due to make around $12m from the Steelers this year
Dolphins  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/16/2023 12:24 pm : link
Signed Braxton Berrios to a 1 year deal. I know a ton of guys here wanted him as a Richie James replacement.
Give me Hardman and target day 1 and 2 of the draft  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2023 12:30 pm : link
Keep our draft picks at this point.

we still need a center and another CB.
Giants still looking for WR  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/16/2023 2:48 pm : link
per Raanan
I do not understand the Chiefs OT move  
Jay on the Island : 3/16/2023 9:20 pm : link
They let Orlando Brown Jr. go to the Bengals and replaced him with Jawaan Taylor who has played RT his entire career.

Brown signed a 4 year deal for $64 million with the Bengals
Taylor signed a 4 year deal for $80 million with the Chiefs
Jay  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 9:25 pm : link
Im not familiar with the details on Taylor but I saw that Orlando Browns deal is heavily heavily guaranteed. It’s a different contract. So the opposite of a normal deal that is actually lighter than it appears, that’s heavy deal. I imagine the Chiefs are cash poor now and backloading while the Bengals are taking advantage of studs on rookie contracts with a front loaded guaranteed deal before they gotta pay their big 3 guys on rookie deals.
RE: Jay  
Jay on the Island : 3/16/2023 9:43 pm : link
In comment 16067855 AcesUp said:
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Im not familiar with the details on Taylor but I saw that Orlando Browns deal is heavily heavily guaranteed. It’s a different contract. So the opposite of a normal deal that is actually lighter than it appears, that’s heavy deal. I imagine the Chiefs are cash poor now and backloading while the Bengals are taking advantage of studs on rookie contracts with a front loaded guaranteed deal before they gotta pay their big 3 guys on rookie deals.

$60 million of Jawaan Taylors $80 million dollar deal is guaranteed.
Ha  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 10:27 pm : link
Yeah Idk either, weird decision. Browns guarantees are all signing bonus so he’s getting 30m at signing while Taylor has to wait for his second half but not sure that’s enough to justify such lower comp. Probably just the Chiefs thinking Taylor is a much better player.
Barkley and Odell  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/17/2023 12:02 am : link
are back to their trolling on Twitter with one another
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