Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN
Sources with multiple teams believe the Broncos could trade a WR. Denver has had talks with teams about Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy and KJ Hamler. Teams say the Broncos are asking high prices, not just dumping, but it's not out of the question one gets moved.
I wonder if Schoen will make the same offer for Jeudy as he reportedly did at the deadline.
i think sutton is probably the better value target. jeudy was clicking with wilson, sutton seems disgruntled. sutton's deal is pretty reasonable though and will "cost less" draft picks than jeudy. the toney pick for sutton would make sense, though even better would be a day 3 and 2024 conditional pick based on whether or not he's still a nyg.
so far we are seeing the more desperate teams strike first
JosinaAnderson @JosinaAnderson
I'm told the following teams have shown preliminary interest in #Jaguars CB Tre Herndon: The #Falcons, #49ers and #Giants, per league source.
I'm told Herndon is not returning to Jacksonville. We'll see how his market continues to unfold.
"New York Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton is set to be a free agent this summer. However, the organization would reportedly like to bring back Slayton, assuming the price is right. The 26-year-old took a paycut to remain with the Giants last season, but earned himself a nice payday this offseason. Last season, Slayton recorded 46 receptions, 724 yards and two touchdowns in 16 games (11 starts) for the Giants. He was a big part of the success of this offense down the stretch of the season. It remains to be seen what Slayton is going to be asking contract wise. He should have plenty of suitors in free agency, assuming the two sides cannot come to an agreement".--Andy Webb - RotoBaller
RE: Don't know anything about this source, but worth posting
"New York Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton is set to be a free agent this summer. However, the organization would reportedly like to bring back Slayton, assuming the price is right. The 26-year-old took a paycut to remain with the Giants last season, but earned himself a nice payday this offseason. Last season, Slayton recorded 46 receptions, 724 yards and two touchdowns in 16 games (11 starts) for the Giants. He was a big part of the success of this offense down the stretch of the season. It remains to be seen what Slayton is going to be asking contract wise. He should have plenty of suitors in free agency, assuming the two sides cannot come to an agreement".--Andy Webb - RotoBaller
4/5 wr. Sure. Not starter material. Way too inconsistent and that isn’t changing
LPG - NYG
@LicensePlateGuy
I thought Gates did enough to come back. What a darn good story he has.... that comeback is nothing short of a miracle. He's onto his next team.
#65 #Gates #Giants
Saw people discussing Hargrave as a Giants target which was nuts
Gives me heavy Nate Solder vibes. Now, he didn't reset the market but we're talking about a middle of the pack OT that may have been propped up by the scheme, coaching and surrounding talent.
however he is a better Center then Guard and I guess Bobby Johnson indicated he though Feliciano would be a better choice to come back as either a Center of back up. I still think the Giants will draft one of the Centers coming out. Some pretty damn good ones and maybe the reason Gates wasn’t offered what he was looking for, as well.
RE: RE: Can Barkley Now Receive Offers From Other Teams?
He had a couple of really good games but once he started multiple games in a row he really struggled once defenses game planned for him. Still he was the best QB on the Jets roster and now they are left with just Zach Wilson.
"New York Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton is set to be a free agent this summer. However, the organization would reportedly like to bring back Slayton, assuming the price is right. The 26-year-old took a paycut to remain with the Giants last season, but earned himself a nice payday this offseason. Last season, Slayton recorded 46 receptions, 724 yards and two touchdowns in 16 games (11 starts) for the Giants. He was a big part of the success of this offense down the stretch of the season. It remains to be seen what Slayton is going to be asking contract wise. He should have plenty of suitors in free agency, assuming the two sides cannot come to an agreement".--Andy Webb - RotoBaller
4/5 wr. Sure. Not starter material. Way too inconsistent and that isn’t changing
I'd bring him back, i'd rather be dealing with a player you know vs some of the other selfish ones out there tbh. He handle the contract cut like a man vs a prima-donna. We'll have to draft or trade for a #1wr but losing Slayton would force our position in the draft. Assuming it's fair market deal we are suppose to resign him...
RE: RE: Saquon is a great back but nobody is giving up two 1st round picks
Smart move by the Raiders. A fairly priced contract for a guy who has a Super Bowl and multiple NFC championships on his resume. Garoppolo gets to start over with some great weapons... AFC West should be fascinating this year.
Slayton is a 2. That's ridiculous (exception:NYG). 3 at best and that's shaky. He runs terrible routes, does not come back to the ball to help his QB and let's not start on his hands. We can do MUCH better. Vet minimum only to bring him back.
RE: RE: RE: Saquon is a great back but nobody is giving up two 1st round picks
The Giants could take less than two firsts, which I would.
I'd take a 1st and 3rd (2023) ... 1st (2023) and 2nd (2024) ...
I don't think we'd get anywhere near that for Barkley. The RB position has been devalued for years, the draft is loaded with good RBs, and Barkley has a pretty lengthy injury history. My guess is the Giants would get a third and a day three pick at best, picks that aren't as valuable to the team as keeping him for another year while the presumably draft his replacement. Remember that any team trading for Barkley has to be willing to sign him to a long-term deal in excess of the $12.5M offer from the Giants he apparently turned down last year.
The Giants could take less than two firsts, which I would.
I'd take a 1st and 3rd (2023) ... 1st (2023) and 2nd (2024) ...
I don't think we'd get anywhere near that for Barkley. The RB position has been devalued for years, the draft is loaded with good RBs, and Barkley has a pretty lengthy injury history. My guess is the Giants would get a third and a day three pick at best, picks that aren't as valuable to the team as keeping him for another year while the presumably draft his replacement. Remember that any team trading for Barkley has to be willing to sign him to a long-term deal in excess of the $12.5M offer from the Giants he apparently turned down last year.
Rather continue to put my money into the OL and draft RBs than pay them... As much as i'd miss SB i could live without him it if we continue to build the OL. Pass pro and rushing attack go as the OL goes...
I guess Myers (or Mets) isn't signing with the Giants. Good.
He’s a mediocre #2 asking for 16mil a year. Please no.
Its crazy that people get all bent out of shape over what a guy is "asking" or "wants". Look, people generally look for the highest compensation they can get and employers look to minimize cost. Somewhere in the middle is a meeting point called fair market value.
RE: RE: RE: Slayton is more than a 4/5, c'mon lol.
Randle was better too
Slayton drops too many balls to be considered a starting WR.
I know they are different types of WR but I’d take Richie James over Slayton.
Slayton is more of a deep threat but I just don’t trust him to make the big catches.
So far Joe Schoen seems to be focusing on his own F.A.'s...
Over the years, the % of FA contracts signed during the legal tampering period where a team ends up eating dead money. I’d be it’s well over 50% if you exclude 1 year deals.
Point is, most of these signings look exciting but actually become a burden down the line. Over the last 2 decades, the smart & winning franchises have been Baltimore, Pitt, Philly, GB, Seattle, NE. Those teams have always been disciplined in how they attack the early days of FA (save for one spending spree by the Pats a few years back that didn’t work out too well)
I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly
I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly
That is my point. DT and ILB tend to be positions where players tend to be broken down quickly as the first step is everything. So you are better off with shorter term less monetary commitment.
I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly
That is my point. DT and ILB tend to be positions where players tend to be broken down quickly as the first step is everything. So you are better off with shorter term less monetary commitment.
i get it snack was 26/27 when we signed him
his size did him in vernon was a worse contract
either or, besides a starting ILB we are more than likely looking for solid rotational guys
they want to continue to build with and provide much needed depth and camp comp. no problems with what he’s done so far. The coaches have a very big say, or so it appears. Once the smoke clears from the beginning salvos, he’ll start to address gaps and shortfalls in the roster. As he keeps saying, you can’t shop hungry otherwise you overpay and pick up players that are clearly just sticking around in the NFL for a paycheck.
I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly
That is my point. DT and ILB tend to be positions where players tend to be broken down quickly as the first step is everything. So you are better off with shorter term less monetary commitment.
i get it snack was 26/27 when we signed him
his size did him in vernon was a worse contract
either or, besides a starting ILB we are more than likely looking for solid rotational guys
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I'm a huge Tremaine Edmunds fan, and he'll help the Bears. That said, they've now signed two off-ball linebackers today for $93M, and have major holes at premium positions.
Feels a bit like luxury spending when the house has no roof
as teams cap room dwindles, we should do better next few days
we have some restructures and extension we have to work on too
hoping guys like zach allen. calais C, long/okekere (sp)/tranquill, maybe dalvin
have heard zilch on odell if the price goes down, dont be surprised him, saquon and shep are tight sillier things have happened
RE: RE: I am very happy with the Giants moves today
I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
As long as we are not going into next season with ILB like we've had for so many years, I am ok with the approach. But you can't keep saying hey these guys are overpriced and take the approach ofl trying to hit the lottery with mid to late round LBs. That strategy has done nothing but prove to produce liabilities in the run and passing game.
We only have one season of that approach with JS, but I sure hope we get some legit LBs be it via FA or in the draft.
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
+1.
I agree and disagree. We made the playoffs and won a game with a pretty empty roster especially at the skill positions. Are we close to winning the SB? Well, we are not as far off as many but we are a WAYS off from being any kind of a favorite..
We don't need to sign a bunch of people right now but we do need to add some talent, maybe a trade for talent and then a great draft.
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
Disagree. Every offseason is a chance to get better. Giants had a talent deficiency, and still made it within 2 games of the super bowl. The team to beat in their division is losing 10+ starters.
The Giants should be trying to upgrade their roster with smart signings. Add young players to the core at a reasonable price.
I get not paying too of the market, but you add a few pieces this off-season and the Giants go from “overachieving bad team” to a legitimate NFC contender. This conference is up for grabs.
Jamel Dean, TJ Edwards both would’ve been great additions with the contracts they got. 26 and 27 years old.
Again, I’m not asking for a Bears-like spending spree- that hardly ever works. But Philly’s roster last year was literally built around good core that was supplemented through YEARS of great FA signings and trade acquisitions (Brown, CJGJ, Reddick, Hargrave, Bradberry, Slay).
missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
If anyone has the salary to sign Orlando Brown and the experience with him it is Poles. That being said, not sure he is a good fit in a locker room that really doesn’t have someone to counter his me-first attitude.
missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
Nate Davis is a good get for them.
If you aren’t gunning for the Super Bowl after making the playoffs
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I totally disagree
DJ deal is really not that hampering of a contract.
It allows them to stay competitive while they are still turning the roster, by end of year 2 of DJs contract we will either be making the a couple splashes in FA to make a run or DJ does not work and we go after and draft our next QB but at least our next QB will not be joining a team that is complete shit like DJ had to deal with.
This team is still going to have the goal of winning it all but not selling out financial stability until the team is talented enough to take the risk.
“ The wide receiver market slow to develop, at least as compared to other positions today. Not surprising when you consider the class. Who will be the first to agree to a deal and help establish the market? Robert Woods did a 2 year, 15 mil dollar deal with the Texans pre FA.”
missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
Nate Davis is a good get for them.
He’s ok. Marginal G play. It’s an upgrade but they still need three OL.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
“ The wide receiver market slow to develop, at least as compared to other positions today. Not surprising when you consider the class. Who will be the first to agree to a deal and help establish the market? Robert Woods did a 2 year, 15 mil dollar deal with the Texans pre FA.”
not surprising when you look at the contracts. There are a few highly compensated guys, a host of lower end guys and practically nothing in between.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
Zach Allen DT AZ (age 25)
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
This is basically my wish list as well. I also like Bobby Okereke as a LB option too.
Good list. I’d add Okereke, Byron Murphy (inside-out flexibility, young), and Dalton Schultz (would be awesome to get DJ a reliable target over the MOF)
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
The #Giants big splash of free agency: Sources say they have agreed to terms with #Colts FA LB Bobby Okereke, giving them a new face in the middle of their defense.
Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.
The maximum number of comp picks in one year is four no matter how many free agents they lose. You can get extra comp picks for special minority signings in front office. GM, etc.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
it is what it is. Carr got 33, Geno 25 and Jimmu G 21. We are paying 40 and another 5 to Taylor. But no matter. If you don’t think that’s an overpay that he couldn’t have got anywhere else, cool. If you think Jones is better than those guys, sorry you’re a homer letting your heart do your thinking for you.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.
The maximum number of comp picks in one year is four no matter how many free agents they lose. You can get extra comp picks for special minority signings in front office. GM, etc.
Wasn’t aware they capped it, good to know.
Rudy - Most of the guys they’re losing are unrestricted free agents. They’re not voided contracts.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Cardinals’ DE Zach Allen reached agreement on a three-year, $45.75 million deal that includes $32.5 million guaranteed at signing, per source. Allen is reunited with Denver DC Vance Joseph.
calais on a reasonable deal would be a great pickup here.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
Philly would lose so many guys. I don’t think I even realized they had so many FAs but they are taking body blows this offseason. I still trust they will be a major problem but they definitely took some hits. And the draft is never a sure thing hopefully they choke.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
Jones would have gotten that or more as a FA. No doubt in my mind. The league is starved for QB’s.
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
Sorry, Rudy, but the only thing wrong is your perception of the situation. Last year the Giants had a few good pieces, virtually no depth, and had to fill in the gaps with 'bargain basement' players. But because we now have a GM that seems to know what he's doing, and a competent coaching staff, we made the playoffs and won a game. DJ earned and received a contract based on last year's performance and what they perceive of his future. While I do not doubt we will continue to strive to get to the Super Bowl, we still have a lot of work to do.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
Which QB as good could we have signed for less and how do you guarantee that happens?
Talking about the Jones deal in this thread should be a ban
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
Sorry, Rudy, but the only thing wrong is your perception of the situation. Last year the Giants had a few good pieces, virtually no depth, and had to fill in the gaps with 'bargain basement' players. But because we now have a GM that seems to know what he's doing, and a competent coaching staff, we made the playoffs and won a game. DJ earned and received a contract based on last year's performance and what they perceive of his future. While I do not doubt we will continue to strive to get to the Super Bowl, we still have a lot of work to do.
Of coarse we have a lot of work to do and that’s my point. We are in the discussion and need to have a good off-season but it’s not out of the question to think we can be a Super Bowl team. We now have All-pro players and a few leaps from some guys next season from Neal and Thibs, and our rookie TE and a few others returning from injury and we are in the mix.
My point is that when you sign a QB to a top 9 money you better believe you are in the Superbowl mix or they should have let him walk. Things change fast in the NFL.
RE: Talking about the Jones deal in this thread should be a ban
offensive lineman?? This position is the key to success! Yes they need to draft some, but you need to get stud in FA. They missed out on Ben Powers, Nate Davis, and Connor McGovern. Isaac Seumalo or Garrett Bradbury would be good options.
here. Look, I am incredibly neutral on the guy, but the deal is done and now its time to enjoy the rest of the off season and see how he does this year. Can the Giants figure out a way to at least split the series with Philly and Dallas? Maybe they can win the division this year. It's a better time to be a Giants fan and if Jones bombs out then well, we move on in 2-3 years.
I actually think Jones numbers will improve from last year.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
He knew he didn't want carr, geno, or garapolo. Neither did I. Jones was the move. We can move on in 2 years if we need to.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
“What’s done is done”
Proceeds to repeat himself nauseam in every thread. Refuses to move on.
He makes it clear he is leaving the 49ers. The article author speculates he goes to the Houston Texans, but the only thing confirmed is that he won't be in San Francisco. Link - ( New Window )
Howard Balzer
@HBalzer721
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3h
By end of day Monday, there were 50 players that agreed to change teams and 33 that re-signed, plus 24 that had re-signed prior to Monday.
He makes it clear he is leaving the 49ers. The article author speculates he goes to the Houston Texans, but the only thing confirmed is that he won't be in San Francisco. Link - ( New Window )
Right now all signs point to the Texans unless they try to nickel-dime him.
“ Jets are actively working to reach an agreement with Packers’ free-agent WR Allen Lazard, per league sources. There is another team involved, and no final decision, but the Jets are trying to reunite Lazard and OC Nathaniel Hackett.”
“ Jets are actively working to reach an agreement with Packers’ free-agent WR Allen Lazard, per league sources. There is another team involved, and no final decision, but the Jets are trying to reunite Lazard and OC Nathaniel Hackett.”
Another telltale Rodgers is going there. Him and Lazard are close.
“ Jets are actively working to reach an agreement with Packers’ free-agent WR Allen Lazard, per league sources. There is another team involved, and no final decision, but the Jets are trying to reunite Lazard and OC Nathaniel Hackett.”
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
it is what it is. Carr got 33, Geno 25 and Jimmu G 21. We are paying 40 and another 5 to Taylor. But no matter. If you don’t think that’s an overpay that he couldn’t have got anywhere else, cool. If you think Jones is better than those guys, sorry you’re a homer letting your heart do your thinking for you.
fwiw, i think you're right and probsbky most neutrals would agree but there is little room for dusagreement allowed on here
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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1 min
Sources: The #Raiders are signing #Patriots FA WR Jakobi Meyers to a 3-year deal with $33M with $21M guaranteed. Another NE-Las Vegas tie-in, and a weapon for Jimmy Garoppolo. The deal was negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Robert Bailey.
C - Interested about the market for Garrett Bradbury. He’s be a big upgrade of Feliciano. If no to Bradbury, then likely we’ll see Feliciano + a rookie
TE2 - have a feeling Irv Smith may end up a Giant
WR’s - Meyers just signed for 11 apy. Wonder where that puts the value of Chark, Slayton, Campbell and Hardman.
Edge Depth - Justin Houston?
CB2 - Rock Ya Sin? Byron Murphy?
The longer you wait in FA, the more likely you are to get a bargain on these guys if they are still available
You can't invest all this money in him and not help him on the outside. I know it's unpopular, but bring in Beckham on a deal and see what WR is sitting at 25.
Gotta think this is the end of the line or close to it
2 starters hanging out who we know they want back (feliciano, love). are they just waiting to match whatever their best offers are?
obviously receiver depth chart is completely empty so the veteran wr trade rumors out there are interesting and sort of obvious.
the extension discussions with barkley are probably going to soften up as he continues to see other rbs sit out there on the market not getting big deals (or any deals). the same is true of adoree jackson, and probably lw to some degree too even though a lot of DL continue to get paid well.
they gave out 2 aggressive contracts to add 2 players in the front 7 they clearly liked with those markets moving yesterday.
given how the offense runs i think we'll see them target a specific WR in another splashy move as that market starts moving and then some corresponding cap work, probably in the form of a cap lowering extension for someone.
2 starters hanging out who we know they want back (feliciano, love). are they just waiting to match whatever their best offers are?
obviously receiver depth chart is completely empty so the veteran wr trade rumors out there are interesting and sort of obvious.
the extension discussions with barkley are probably going to soften up as he continues to see other rbs sit out there on the market not getting big deals (or any deals). the same is true of adoree jackson, and probably lw to some degree too even though a lot of DL continue to get paid well.
they gave out 2 aggressive contracts to add 2 players in the front 7 they clearly liked with those markets moving yesterday.
given how the offense runs i think we'll see them target a specific WR in another splashy move as that market starts moving and then some corresponding cap work, probably in the form of a cap lowering extension for someone.
Would think there are multiple options that can be had for the right price and the price will come down the longer no team pays it.
Many teams for 1 reason or another such as cap space, not ready to compete and the WR is getting old, big contract coming up soon will have a guy out there they will be wanting to part with.
Who do we settle on: is it Hopkins? Jeudy? Evans? Or a bit of a surprise like Aiyuk or Pittman....
The only semi-high quality option in FA now is gone. And the price was pretty low for a WR.
“Keep an eye out for the New York Giants” -
@MoveTheSticks
on Free Agent Dalton Schultz
I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.
Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.
It might be to expensive either.
i could see it. i like hardman and my only big knock on him is that if there was upside it probably would have been unlocked with mahomes already. despite his speed he hasnt been able to hit as many big plays as you would think, but he probably doesnt get enough credit for turning himself into a reasonably polished receiver. above average drop rate for his career including the last 2 years, high catch%. would be an upgrade on richie james.
“Keep an eye out for the New York Giants” -
@MoveTheSticks
on Free Agent Dalton Schultz
I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.
Like him a lot too for this offense.
Gesicki is a similar talent though who might come cheaper due to suppressed production last year
Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.
It might be to expensive either.
i could see it. i like hardman and my only big knock on him is that if there was upside it probably would have been unlocked with mahomes already. despite his speed he hasnt been able to hit as many big plays as you would think, but he probably doesnt get enough credit for turning himself into a reasonably polished receiver. above average drop rate for his career including the last 2 years, high catch%. would be an upgrade on richie james.
It did seem like he was really starting to break out last year right before he got hurt
RE: RE: RE: I know most don't like him but I think
Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.
It might be to expensive either.
i could see it. i like hardman and my only big knock on him is that if there was upside it probably would have been unlocked with mahomes already. despite his speed he hasnt been able to hit as many big plays as you would think, but he probably doesnt get enough credit for turning himself into a reasonably polished receiver. above average drop rate for his career including the last 2 years, high catch%. would be an upgrade on richie james.
It did seem like he was really starting to break out last year right before he got hurt
yup in the game he got hurt he drew a few big pass interferences down field also (believe he actually got hurt landing awkwardly on one of them after a defender hit him early).
he only just turned 25 also. he'd be a good signing if they can get him away from KC affordably.
“Keep an eye out for the New York Giants” -
@MoveTheSticks
on Free Agent Dalton Schultz
I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.
Like him a lot too for this offense.
Gesicki is a similar talent though who might come cheaper due to suppressed production last year
Schultz and Gisecki are completely different talents. Schultz is a great blocker and a dependable receiver. Gisecki is a great athlete and very fast but he’s a terrible blocker.
Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.
It might be to expensive either.
The WR’s I wanted going into free agency were the buy low types like Hardman, Parris Campbell, and DJ Chark. The giants will more than likely draft a WR early in the draft but they also need another 2-3 on the depth chart.
"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
@Schultz_Report
on the
@PatMcAfeeShow
"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
@Schultz_Report
on the
@PatMcAfeeShow
id be pretty shocked and a little disappointed if they did this after the plane video. i was all for it up until then, and i do think he'd be a really good fit talent wise. seems like the same self centered d-bag that forced his way out in the first place though.
“Keep an eye out for the New York Giants” -
@MoveTheSticks
on Free Agent Dalton Schultz
I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.
Like him a lot too for this offense.
Gesicki is a similar talent though who might come cheaper due to suppressed production last year
Schultz and Gisecki are completely different talents. Schultz is a great blocker and a dependable receiver. Gisecki is a great athlete and very fast but he’s a terrible blocker.
Jay didn't realize the disparity in the blocking ability. If the cost is anywhere close then Shultz is most definitely preferable.
"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
@Schultz_Report
on the
@PatMcAfeeShow
Team OBJ are apparently big contract hunting. And there is NFW I would pay him anything remotely close to the apparent ask.
But I have ZERO interest in rekindling this football relationship. I ask the question all of the time - why would you suddenly trust this guy to be dependable, accountable, self-less, etc.
Lamar Jackson
@Lj_era8
133/3years fully guaranteed😒 but I need a agent? 🤣🤦🏾♂️
I'm not good with Twitter though. Maybe he is just laughing at someone that suggested this???
No he turned down that offer... He was saying look I am getting a big offer what do I need an agent for. Plus other teams can't even offer him yet. So he will see what he can get from other teams.
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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1 min
Sources: The #Raiders are signing #Patriots FA WR Jakobi Meyers to a 3-year deal with $33M with $21M guaranteed. Another NE-Las Vegas tie-in, and a weapon for Jimmy Garoppolo. The deal was negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Robert Bailey.
"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
@Schultz_Report
on the
@PatMcAfeeShow
Team OBJ are apparently big contract hunting. And there is NFW I would pay him anything remotely close to the apparent ask.
But I have ZERO interest in rekindling this football relationship. I ask the question all of the time - why would you suddenly trust this guy to be dependable, accountable, self-less, etc.
Adding him would be a real downer for me...
One very real disconnect between fans and the reality of that entire situation is the perception that he wasn't dependable or accountable. Not a single Giants player or personnel person aside from the GM which turned the team into a dumpster fire ever implied that he wasn't extremely hardworking or a good teammate. He practiced and player hard and run blocked. People don't like admitting that because it doesn't fit the script.
The Giants have shown interest in him at each of these workouts and if they sign him, it's because he has something to offer.
Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.
1:35 PM · Mar 14, 2023
"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
@Schultz_Report
on the
@PatMcAfeeShow
Team OBJ are apparently big contract hunting. And there is NFW I would pay him anything remotely close to the apparent ask.
But I have ZERO interest in rekindling this football relationship. I ask the question all of the time - why would you suddenly trust this guy to be dependable, accountable, self-less, etc.
Adding him would be a real downer for me...
One very real disconnect between fans and the reality of that entire situation is the perception that he wasn't dependable or accountable. Not a single Giants player or personnel person aside from the GM which turned the team into a dumpster fire ever implied that he wasn't extremely hardworking or a good teammate. He practiced and player hard and run blocked. People don't like admitting that because it doesn't fit the script.
The Giants have shown interest in him at each of these workouts and if they sign him, it's because he has something to offer.
how was he a good teammate when he threw his teammates under the bus in the lil wayne interview?
the nyg showed interest in him before the video from the plane got out, and since then despite a major need at wr there hasn't been much connecting them. they sent the wr coach only to his showcase.
i was all for signing him a few months ago but if they sign him after the plane video it will be their first compromise on the type of behavior they've preached. i dont see it given the contract demands and the obvious risks coming off surgery.
Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.
1:35 PM · Mar 14, 2023
Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.
1:35 PM · Mar 14, 2023
LOL!! I can't wait to watch this disaster....
Oof, no way this can end well. They should have made Carr the priority
But even if you carve out his very questionable antics (I'm not), he's cracked 30 and his career has become riddled with injuries. That alone should raise Buyer Beware signals, even at 50% of his asinine ask.
The Giants need to put the focus on the Oline! I keep saying this but it’s key to becoming dominate. Just look at the two teams in the SB.. enough said..
Jeudy is interesting but would be hesitant to give up a 2. A 3 this year and 4 next year I’d be on board with
Gave Davis could be another name to watch…
If the Giants are going to use a late first or a second rounder on a WR anyway, I'd probably go with Jeudy. The contract is a separate issue to navigate, but trading a 2 isn't a big roadblock to me.
RE: RE: RE: Eagles gonna set a recrod for comp picks
Jeudy is interesting but would be hesitant to give up a 2. A 3 this year and 4 next year I’d be on board with
Gave Davis could be another name to watch…
If the Giants are going to use a late first or a second rounder on a WR anyway, I'd probably go with Jeudy. The contract is a separate issue to navigate, but trading a 2 isn't a big roadblock to me.
If so the Giants need to make a couple of draft day moves to recoup the second round and third round picks. They still have 11 picks but 8 of them are 4th round and later
reminds me of the second coming of the Durant/Irving Nets. They wanted their guys to join them and we all now how that turned out. Going for instant gratification by selling your soul to the devil does not work. The Jets will be a disaster 2 years from now if Rogers comes. You can bank on it.
reminds me of the second coming of the Durant/Irving Nets. They wanted their guys to join them and we all now how that turned out. Going for instant gratification by selling your soul to the devil does not work. The Jets will be a disaster 2 years from now if Rogers comes. You can bank on it.
It already started. They gave an average wr 44 mil while having a loaded wr group already
reminds me of the second coming of the Durant/Irving Nets. They wanted their guys to join them and we all now how that turned out. Going for instant gratification by selling your soul to the devil does not work. The Jets will be a disaster 2 years from now if Rogers comes. You can bank on it.
It already started. They gave an average wr 44 mil while having a loaded wr group already
They basically swap in Lazard for Corey Davis to make Rodgers happy. Curious to see the full details of the contract. Saw only 22m guaranteed
will be off the books when time comes for Wilson’s big guarantees and new contract. Not a big deal. Slight overpay but it’s not dramatic. Lazard is also a borderline elite blocker as a WR.
WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.
Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs
Looks like $22M guaranteed. So, I'd like to see more details.
I like Lazard and think he's a WR2 minus. And he's a tremendous blocker, which the Jets should like with their potential to be a very solid running team.
Question for all the people who think Lazard is good
im not sure how much more he got himself by not extending last year but i dont think it's that much. 12.66m per year basically with 2 years guaranteed.
WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.
Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs
Looks like $22M guaranteed. So, I'd like to see more details.
I like Lazard and think he's a WR2 minus. And he's a tremendous blocker, which the Jets should like with their potential to be a very solid running team.
Lazard has never had even 800 yards receiving. In fact, ‘22 was the only year he broke 700. If the Giants signed that kind of production to $22M guaranteed you’d lose your mind.
It’s amazing how much more forgiving and complimentary you are when it’s other teams
Why wouldn’t the Panthers swing for the fences. None of the QBs are a sure thing, so you swing for the guy with the highest upside. Andy Dalton to the Panthers - ( New Window )
RE: Question for all the people who think Lazard is good
If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it
No, I wouldn’t. He’s kinda like Slayton. As long as he isn’t one of your top targets he’s fine but never in a million years would I enjoy paying a guy like Lazard that kind of money.
Lazard has never had even 800 yards receiving. In fact, ‘22 was the only year he broke 700. If the Giants signed that kind of production to $22M guaranteed you’d lose your mind.
It’s amazing how much more forgiving and complimentary you are when it’s other teams
Let's review. I said the $22M guaranteed over 4 years didn't seem that bad and I would need to see more details. Where did I say I wished NYG signed him to that contract?
I'm all for criticism, but only when it's accurate. In this case, no surprise, you are wrong because I criticize players from other teams frequently.
I can't control what you read.
RE: RE: Question for all the people who think Lazard is good
If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it
I would need to see more details, but the $22M guaranteed doesn't seem bad for a four-year deal.
However, if searching for a WR1 solution the only way to solve that this year is either trade or the draft.
$22 million guaranteed to Allen Lazard is $22 million more than I would give him, and thank goodness Joe Schoen didn’t do that either
No offense, but who cares if is more than you would give him. You are a fan who looked at some stats and think you know more than you do. Fact is most people thought he would sign for more. Probably wanted to stay with Aaron Rodgers.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Question for all the people who think Lazard is good
If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it
I would need to see more details, but the $22M guaranteed doesn't seem bad for a four-year deal.
However, if searching for a WR1 solution the only way to solve that this year is either trade or the draft.
$22 million guaranteed to Allen Lazard is $22 million more than I would give him, and thank goodness Joe Schoen didn’t do that either
No offense, but who cares if is more than you would give him. You are a fan who looked at some stats and think you know more than you do. Fact is most people thought he would sign for more. Probably wanted to stay with Aaron Rodgers.
No way, most Packers fans are laughing at the deal
Who needs an NFL agent, when you can just post on social media??
Indeed !!!
Justin Pugh
@JustinPugh
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8h
Loved my time in NY. I’d want to play LG and I’d want fair market value. I’m worth way more then minimum. I don’t need to sign tomorrow. (I would for the right deal). I have ACL recovery plus when teams realize that rookie they drafted can’t pass protect I’ll have more value!
What are the actual contract numbers? 4 years 44m doesn't tell us much
If the Giants paid a #3 receiver $11 million we would be flipping out, especially after the Kenny Golladay experience
You're looking at it in a vacuum. This is a guy they needed to get for Rodgers and it doesn't seem like he's going to be on the books for more than a couple of years. Releasing Corey Davis, who was never really healthy covers this years' cost.
I would also hope our GM wouldn't hesitate to bring in a player because they've made a mistake on another player in the past
DL Poona Ford
DL Calais Campbell
ER Leonard Floyd
ER Justin Houston
ILB Devin Bush
ILB Anthony Walker
ILB Bobby Wagner
CB Marcus Peters
CB Shaq Griffin
WR Mecole Hardman
CB Tavierre Thomas or Tre Herndon
C Jon Feliciano
Edge Jihad Ward
A camp arm QB
Would be the rest of the Giants signings
Then they go into the draft with receiver, C, Edge Depth and Corner as top priorities. Throw some darts in the late rounds for LB, RB, swing tackle and DL Depth.
C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.
I wouldn't call Feliciano a must sign. He was decent but this team needs a better player in the middle. If he is brought back then I hope the Giants draft a G/C on day two or early day 3 to compete with him.
C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.
I wouldn't call Feliciano a must sign. He was decent but this team needs a better player in the middle. If he is brought back then I hope the Giants draft a G/C on day two or early day 3 to compete with him.
i think it's a near certainty he's back now with most of the other UFA C's off the board including Gates.
I think it's also a near certainty that they draft someone to groom behind him and maybe compete with Bredeson/Ezeudu at LG.
i think it's a near certainty he's back now with most of the other UFA C's off the board including Gates.
I think it's also a near certainty that they draft someone to groom behind him and maybe compete with Bredeson/Ezeudu at LG.
I just looked at the remaining centers on the market and my god is it barren. There are some guards who have played center that are somewhat intriguing like Graham Glasgow and former Giant Evan Brown.
i think it's a near certainty he's back now with most of the other UFA C's off the board including Gates.
I think it's also a near certainty that they draft someone to groom behind him and maybe compete with Bredeson/Ezeudu at LG.
I just looked at the remaining centers on the market and my god is it barren. There are some guards who have played center that are somewhat intriguing like Graham Glasgow and former Giant Evan Brown.
I have my mock drafts going WR-OC-CB. I'd love to draft a center in the first few rounds.
WR Mecole Hardman
CB Tavierre Thomas or Tre Herndon
C Jon Feliciano
Edge Jihad Ward
A camp arm QB
Would be the rest of the Giants signings
Then they go into the draft with receiver, C, Edge Depth and Corner as top priorities. Throw some darts in the late rounds for LB, RB, swing tackle and DL Depth.
C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.
I wouldn't call Feliciano a must sign. He was decent but this team needs a better player in the middle. If he is brought back then I hope the Giants draft a G/C on day two or early day 3 to compete with him.
I still think BB may be better at OC and get a chance
I still think BB may be better at OC and get a chance
I think so too. Bredeson was working with the second team at center for most of the offseason and he reportedly impressed. He did look solid in the preseason as well.
I think he's a pretty good tackler but at best an average coverage player with average or even below average speed. I think Jason Pinnock could be an upgrade and costs less than 1M. The Giants drafted a safety last year and could draft another one this year (it's one of the deeper positions in the draft).
I think the Giants could use that money more effectively in the front 7 or OL.
Around this time yesterday the bomb dropped with Waller
featuring Waller, Bellinger, Hodgins, Wan'dale, Shepard, and Slayton is interesting but could stand to add a WR1. Slayton takes too much heat for the drops.
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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2m
The #Patriots are giving WR JuJu Smith-Schuster a 3-year deal worth $33m, source said. A big investment.
i dont see how odell tops this
heck, due to two acl, he should get less
i think that depends on how he looked at his workout (including whatever gps times he's hitting right now). jjss has had a number of injuries and even with mahomes had a meh year. the last time we saw obj he was making a big impact on a sb run, and supposedly the previous acl surgery was an issue that got corrected with the most recent one.
i dont like obj for nyg for off field reasons but i think there's a chance whatever deal he signs is messaged as a 3x50m with a little more guaranteed than whatever jjss gets. unless he didnt look good at his showcase.
featuring Waller, Bellinger, Hodgins, Wan'dale, Shepard, and Slayton is interesting but could stand to add a WR1. Slayton takes too much heat for the drops.
we still need alot more wandale might not be ready until playoffs drive and he only played a few games last yr
doesnt have to be a wr1 a solid wr2 would help or draft pick
Giving him anything more than a 1 year incentive based deal would be insane.
He did not play last year, has had 2 serious ACL injuries to the same knee. He’ll be a 31 year old receiver whose game was largely driven by quick twitch and explosiveness.
I really hope the Giants aren’t the team that gives him a multi year deal.
I don’t think his market is hot either- it seems he’s asking to be compensated for what he was pre-knee injury (based on a workout where he ran routes versus air)
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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1m
I've heard some buzz today about the #Giants connected to D.J. Chark and Mecole Hardman. We'll see if that has any legs. You'd expect them to explore all options on the market.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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1m
I've heard some buzz today about the #Giants connected to D.J. Chark and Mecole Hardman. We'll see if that has any legs. You'd expect them to explore all options on the market.
Both offer speed which is what this WR group needs. I like it.
Would expect 2 yrs 20 mil range for Chark. Hardman probably a bit less- he may even want to do a 1 year prove it deal given his age. Would set himself up to cash in next off-season.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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1m
I've heard some buzz today about the #Giants connected to D.J. Chark and Mecole Hardman. We'll see if that has any legs. You'd expect them to explore all options on the market.
Both offer speed which is what this WR group needs. I like it.
Would expect 2 yrs 20 mil range for Chark. Hardman probably a bit less- he may even want to do a 1 year prove it deal given his age. Would set himself up to cash in next off-season.
I think Hardman can be had for a 1 year $3.5 million contract with incentives. I have no idea what Chark will command but 2 for $20 sounds fair.
Hardman adds a special teams dimension as punt returner
“Think you can expect the Giants to sign a WR and monitor the trade market. It's a position they still intend to seriously address.”
Sign a WR in this market is probably Hardman to replace Slayton as the deep threat, if I had to guess.
I can't imagine Schoen allowing Denver to dictate terms to him on Jeudy. Denver's price has to come down quite a bit. There's no way Schoen gives up a first round pick there. I still think Hopkins is a possibility because the Cardinals have virtually no market for him. A report from ESPN a couple of days ago said only one team was interested in Hopkins
cheapish RB contracts are doing to Saquon's agents? Now add in Zeke being released....
I know a lot of the RBs signed are not in Barkley's class, but still...
Im not familiar with the details on Taylor but I saw that Orlando Browns deal is heavily heavily guaranteed. It’s a different contract. So the opposite of a normal deal that is actually lighter than it appears, that’s heavy deal. I imagine the Chiefs are cash poor now and backloading while the Bengals are taking advantage of studs on rookie contracts with a front loaded guaranteed deal before they gotta pay their big 3 guys on rookie deals.
Im not familiar with the details on Taylor but I saw that Orlando Browns deal is heavily heavily guaranteed. It’s a different contract. So the opposite of a normal deal that is actually lighter than it appears, that’s heavy deal. I imagine the Chiefs are cash poor now and backloading while the Bengals are taking advantage of studs on rookie contracts with a front loaded guaranteed deal before they gotta pay their big 3 guys on rookie deals.
$60 million of Jawaan Taylors $80 million dollar deal is guaranteed.
Yeah Idk either, weird decision. Browns guarantees are all signing bonus so he’s getting 30m at signing while Taylor has to wait for his second half but not sure that’s enough to justify such lower comp. Probably just the Chiefs thinking Taylor is a much better player.
Seems like market for Lb’s is not as high as we would’ve thought. Some were saying 4 yrs/50 for Edwards.
Sources with multiple teams believe the Broncos could trade a WR. Denver has had talks with teams about Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy and KJ Hamler. Teams say the Broncos are asking high prices, not just dumping, but it's not out of the question one gets moved.
i think sutton is probably the better value target. jeudy was clicking with wilson, sutton seems disgruntled. sutton's deal is pretty reasonable though and will "cost less" draft picks than jeudy. the toney pick for sutton would make sense, though even better would be a day 3 and 2024 conditional pick based on whether or not he's still a nyg.
falcons are spending like crazy.
broncos with russ/payton are obviously looking to get things on track asap.
I'm told the following teams have shown preliminary interest in #Jaguars CB Tre Herndon: The #Falcons, #49ers and #Giants, per league source.
I'm told Herndon is not returning to Jacksonville. We'll see how his market continues to unfold.
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One of our 5ths
"New York Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton is set to be a free agent this summer. However, the organization would reportedly like to bring back Slayton, assuming the price is right. The 26-year-old took a paycut to remain with the Giants last season, but earned himself a nice payday this offseason. Last season, Slayton recorded 46 receptions, 724 yards and two touchdowns in 16 games (11 starts) for the Giants. He was a big part of the success of this offense down the stretch of the season. It remains to be seen what Slayton is going to be asking contract wise. He should have plenty of suitors in free agency, assuming the two sides cannot come to an agreement".--Andy Webb - RotoBaller
"New York Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton is set to be a free agent this summer. However, the organization would reportedly like to bring back Slayton, assuming the price is right. The 26-year-old took a paycut to remain with the Giants last season, but earned himself a nice payday this offseason. Last season, Slayton recorded 46 receptions, 724 yards and two touchdowns in 16 games (11 starts) for the Giants. He was a big part of the success of this offense down the stretch of the season. It remains to be seen what Slayton is going to be asking contract wise. He should have plenty of suitors in free agency, assuming the two sides cannot come to an agreement".--Andy Webb - RotoBaller
4/5 wr. Sure. Not starter material. Way too inconsistent and that isn’t changing
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the Toney 3rd which is essentially a 4th
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I thought Gates did enough to come back. What a darn good story he has.... that comeback is nothing short of a miracle. He's onto his next team.
#65 #Gates #Giants
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Good for the niners. And good for fuck philly.
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Well now I don’t like him. :)
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Good for the niners. And good for fuck philly.
Sf going for it. That D will be even better.
Source: The #Broncos are giving RT Mike McGlinchey a massive 5 year deal worth $87.5M with over $50M guaranteed a
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Interior OL is a definite area where we need to improve.
The Giants can still agree to a long term deal with Barkley until Wednesday, or has that window passed already? Or do they have until July?
The Giants can still agree to a long term deal with Barkley until Wednesday, or has that window passed already? Or do they have until July?
LOL. No one is going to offer anything to Barkley.
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I assume unlikely as the offer must include the offering team willing to give up two first rounders which isn't happening.
The Giants can still agree to a long term deal with Barkley until Wednesday, or has that window passed already? Or do they have until July?
LOL. No one is going to offer anything to Barkley.
The Jets traded a 1st and 3rd rounder for Curtis Martin.
It's happened before. It can happen again. The Niners just traded resources for McCaffery.
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I assume unlikely as the offer must include the offering team willing to give up two first rounders which isn't happening.
The Giants can still agree to a long term deal with Barkley until Wednesday, or has that window passed already? Or do they have until July?
LOL. No one is going to offer anything to Barkley.
The Jets traded a 1st and 3rd rounder for Curtis Martin.
It's happened before. It can happen again. The Niners just traded resources for McCaffery.
That was in a different NFL
The market is not hot for LB’s right now. Quincy Williams got 6mil APY, Edwards 6.3apy. Edmunds going to be closer to 12mil than he is to 20.
There goes Jets backup plan.
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There goes Jets backup plan.
LOL
I could see them ending up with Brissett
So if Rodgers retires, the Jets are down to Tannehill/Wentz?
The Giants could take less than two firsts, which I would.
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"New York Giants wide receiver Darius Slayton is set to be a free agent this summer. However, the organization would reportedly like to bring back Slayton, assuming the price is right. The 26-year-old took a paycut to remain with the Giants last season, but earned himself a nice payday this offseason. Last season, Slayton recorded 46 receptions, 724 yards and two touchdowns in 16 games (11 starts) for the Giants. He was a big part of the success of this offense down the stretch of the season. It remains to be seen what Slayton is going to be asking contract wise. He should have plenty of suitors in free agency, assuming the two sides cannot come to an agreement".--Andy Webb - RotoBaller
4/5 wr. Sure. Not starter material. Way too inconsistent and that isn’t changing
I'd bring him back, i'd rather be dealing with a player you know vs some of the other selfish ones out there tbh. He handle the contract cut like a man vs a prima-donna. We'll have to draft or trade for a #1wr but losing Slayton would force our position in the draft. Assuming it's fair market deal we are suppose to resign him...
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The Giants could take less than two firsts, which I would.
I'd take a 1st and 3rd (2023) ... 1st (2023) and 2nd (2024) ...
Pretty sure Herndon is a depth/slot guy.
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The Giants could take less than two firsts, which I would.
I'd take a 1st and 3rd (2023) ... 1st (2023) and 2nd (2024) ...
I don't think we'd get anywhere near that for Barkley. The RB position has been devalued for years, the draft is loaded with good RBs, and Barkley has a pretty lengthy injury history. My guess is the Giants would get a third and a day three pick at best, picks that aren't as valuable to the team as keeping him for another year while the presumably draft his replacement. Remember that any team trading for Barkley has to be willing to sign him to a long-term deal in excess of the $12.5M offer from the Giants he apparently turned down last year.
Pretty sure Herndon is a depth/slot guy.
Yea that is such a common statement around here…Slayton is a 4 or 5.
Please find me a team with a better #4 than Slayton.
I've seen people speculate Denver but Sutton rather than Jeudy
Tunsil AND Taylor? Whoa
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I've seen people speculate Denver but Sutton rather than Jeudy
Are either Sutton or Jeudy considered a 1?
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The Giants could take less than two firsts, which I would.
I'd take a 1st and 3rd (2023) ... 1st (2023) and 2nd (2024) ...
I don't think we'd get anywhere near that for Barkley. The RB position has been devalued for years, the draft is loaded with good RBs, and Barkley has a pretty lengthy injury history. My guess is the Giants would get a third and a day three pick at best, picks that aren't as valuable to the team as keeping him for another year while the presumably draft his replacement. Remember that any team trading for Barkley has to be willing to sign him to a long-term deal in excess of the $12.5M offer from the Giants he apparently turned down last year.
Rather continue to put my money into the OL and draft RBs than pay them... As much as i'd miss SB i could live without him it if we continue to build the OL. Pass pro and rushing attack go as the OL goes...
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Just read...wonder who?
I've seen people speculate Denver but Sutton rather than Jeudy
Are either Sutton or Jeudy considered a 1?
Sutton-No
Jeudy-Yes
2024 13 mil
better to make sure it is verified than be quick... this isn't true.
I mean he is still available so never say never
He’s a mediocre #2 asking for 16mil a year. Please no.
Pretty sure Herndon is a depth/slot guy.
Remember the chatter how Randle was going to explode once he left Eli. Slayton reminds me a bit of him, or Manningham.
Too damn inconsistent.
Also lol Raiders. Garoppolo won't do a damn thing there.
Good I hope they reported wrong
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better to make sure it is verified than be quick... this isn't true.
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By the end of the year he looked like a very good 3/inconsistent 2.
Pretty sure Herndon is a depth/slot guy.
Remember the chatter how Randle was going to explode once he left Eli. Slayton reminds me a bit of him, or Manningham.
Too damn inconsistent.
Also lol Raiders. Garoppolo won't do a damn thing there.
Manningham was lightyears better than both of them. He's was underrated by many during his time here.
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I guess Myers (or Mets) isn't signing with the Giants. Good.
He’s a mediocre #2 asking for 16mil a year. Please no.
Its crazy that people get all bent out of shape over what a guy is "asking" or "wants". Look, people generally look for the highest compensation they can get and employers look to minimize cost. Somewhere in the middle is a meeting point called fair market value.
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By the end of the year he looked like a very good 3/inconsistent 2.
Pretty sure Herndon is a depth/slot guy.
Remember the chatter how Randle was going to explode once he left Eli. Slayton reminds me a bit of him, or Manningham.
Too damn inconsistent.
Also lol Raiders. Garoppolo won't do a damn thing there.
Manningham was lightyears better than both of them. He's was underrated by many during his time here.
I agree with that, he was, but he struggled with some things as a Giant and (injury related to a degree) didn't do anything outside the Giants.
Slayton drops too many balls to be considered a starting WR.
I know they are different types of WR but I’d take Richie James over Slayton.
Slayton is more of a deep threat but I just don’t trust him to make the big catches.
Point is, most of these signings look exciting but actually become a burden down the line. Over the last 2 decades, the smart & winning franchises have been Baltimore, Pitt, Philly, GB, Seattle, NE. Those teams have always been disciplined in how they attack the early days of FA (save for one spending spree by the Pats a few years back that didn’t work out too well)
really want to get that solid ILB before there is a run on them
Schoen is doing his homework correctly.
Schoen is doing his homework correctly.
emonds, edwards and pratt gone
so it may have to be soon
That contract is huge... no thank you
snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly
Yes we made the playoffs last year
No, we are no close to winning the super bowl
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
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I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly
That is my point. DT and ILB tend to be positions where players tend to be broken down quickly as the first step is everything. So you are better off with shorter term less monetary commitment.
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I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly
That is my point. DT and ILB tend to be positions where players tend to be broken down quickly as the first step is everything. So you are better off with shorter term less monetary commitment.
i get it snack was 26/27 when we signed him
his size did him in vernon was a worse contract
either or, besides a starting ILB we are more than likely looking for solid rotational guys
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I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
snacks wasnt overpaif first yr
just broke down quickly
That is my point. DT and ILB tend to be positions where players tend to be broken down quickly as the first step is everything. So you are better off with shorter term less monetary commitment.
i get it snack was 26/27 when we signed him
his size did him in vernon was a worse contract
either or, besides a starting ILB we are more than likely looking for solid rotational guys
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I'm a huge Tremaine Edmunds fan, and he'll help the Bears. That said, they've now signed two off-ball linebackers today for $93M, and have major holes at premium positions.
Feels a bit like luxury spending when the house has no roof
I would say that some of the names that you are seeing today are more than "ok" talent, but a lot are pretty substantial overpayments in my opinion.
as teams cap room dwindles, we should do better next few days
we have some restructures and extension we have to work on too
hoping guys like zach allen. calais C, long/okekere (sp)/tranquill, maybe dalvin
have heard zilch on odell if the price goes down, dont be surprised him, saquon and shep are tight sillier things have happened
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not overpaying for "ok" talent.
I would say that some of the names that you are seeing today are more than "ok" talent, but a lot are pretty substantial overpayments in my opinion.
Totally agree. Build through the draft, grab some low to mid level FA’s to fill gaps. Re-sign your building block players.
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
Yes we made the playoffs last year
No, we are no close to winning the super bowl
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
+1.
As long as we are not going into next season with ILB like we've had for so many years, I am ok with the approach. But you can't keep saying hey these guys are overpriced and take the approach ofl trying to hit the lottery with mid to late round LBs. That strategy has done nothing but prove to produce liabilities in the run and passing game.
We only have one season of that approach with JS, but I sure hope we get some legit LBs be it via FA or in the draft.
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Still can't see the forest for the trees
Yes we made the playoffs last year
No, we are no close to winning the super bowl
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
+1.
I agree and disagree. We made the playoffs and won a game with a pretty empty roster especially at the skill positions. Are we close to winning the SB? Well, we are not as far off as many but we are a WAYS off from being any kind of a favorite..
We don't need to sign a bunch of people right now but we do need to add some talent, maybe a trade for talent and then a great draft.
Yes we made the playoffs last year
No, we are no close to winning the super bowl
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
Disagree. Every offseason is a chance to get better. Giants had a talent deficiency, and still made it within 2 games of the super bowl. The team to beat in their division is losing 10+ starters.
The Giants should be trying to upgrade their roster with smart signings. Add young players to the core at a reasonable price.
I get not paying too of the market, but you add a few pieces this off-season and the Giants go from “overachieving bad team” to a legitimate NFC contender. This conference is up for grabs.
Jamel Dean, TJ Edwards both would’ve been great additions with the contracts they got. 26 and 27 years old.
Again, I’m not asking for a Bears-like spending spree- that hardly ever works. But Philly’s roster last year was literally built around good core that was supplemented through YEARS of great FA signings and trade acquisitions (Brown, CJGJ, Reddick, Hargrave, Bradberry, Slay).
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
Some other guys that I am interested in adding to your list
David Long LB TEN (age 26)
Mecole Hardman WR (age 25)
Devin Bush PIT (age 24)
If anyone has the salary to sign Orlando Brown and the experience with him it is Poles. That being said, not sure he is a good fit in a locker room that really doesn’t have someone to counter his me-first attitude.
Nate Davis is a good get for them.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I totally disagree
DJ deal is really not that hampering of a contract.
It allows them to stay competitive while they are still turning the roster, by end of year 2 of DJs contract we will either be making the a couple splashes in FA to make a run or DJ does not work and we go after and draft our next QB but at least our next QB will not be joining a team that is complete shit like DJ had to deal with.
This team is still going to have the goal of winning it all but not selling out financial stability until the team is talented enough to take the risk.
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missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
Nate Davis is a good get for them.
He’s ok. Marginal G play. It’s an upgrade but they still need three OL.
Oyy not this shit again
Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
This is basically my wish list as well. I also like Bobby Okereke as a LB option too.
Now I’m getting a bit annoyed. That is a deal the Giants should be ALL over. I would’ve given him 3/18.
Then again, maybe they were, but he chose the state w/warm weather and no income tax.
Lol deal could have been for $10M a year and they would still be complaining. Haters gonna hate. And cry like bitches
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Zach Allen DT AZ (age 25)
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
This is basically my wish list as well. I also like Bobby Okereke as a LB option too.
Good list. I’d add Okereke, Byron Murphy (inside-out flexibility, young), and Dalton Schultz (would be awesome to get DJ a reliable target over the MOF)
A lot of really dumb football fans out there.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
This post did not age well.
The maximum number of comp picks in one year is four no matter how many free agents they lose. You can get extra comp picks for special minority signings in front office. GM, etc.
Most of their FAs are on voided contracts and don’t factor into the comp pick formula.
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
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Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.
The maximum number of comp picks in one year is four no matter how many free agents they lose. You can get extra comp picks for special minority signings in front office. GM, etc.
Wasn’t aware they capped it, good to know.
Rudy - Most of the guys they’re losing are unrestricted free agents. They’re not voided contracts.
Former Cardinals’ DE Zach Allen reached agreement on a three-year, $45.75 million deal that includes $32.5 million guaranteed at signing, per source. Allen is reunited with Denver DC Vance Joseph.
calais on a reasonable deal would be a great pickup here.
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
Jones would have gotten that or more as a FA. No doubt in my mind. The league is starved for QB’s.
I look at this as Alex Smith with the Chiefs. They’ll upgrade once the opportunity arises. If Jones reaches another level, great.
A lot of really dumb football fans out there.
It’s insanely stupid on Twitter. Better yet, childish. Matt in SGS is basically it for me when it comes to the twit.
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Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
Sorry, Rudy, but the only thing wrong is your perception of the situation. Last year the Giants had a few good pieces, virtually no depth, and had to fill in the gaps with 'bargain basement' players. But because we now have a GM that seems to know what he's doing, and a competent coaching staff, we made the playoffs and won a game. DJ earned and received a contract based on last year's performance and what they perceive of his future. While I do not doubt we will continue to strive to get to the Super Bowl, we still have a lot of work to do.
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
Which QB as good could we have signed for less and how do you guarantee that happens?
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Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
Sorry, Rudy, but the only thing wrong is your perception of the situation. Last year the Giants had a few good pieces, virtually no depth, and had to fill in the gaps with 'bargain basement' players. But because we now have a GM that seems to know what he's doing, and a competent coaching staff, we made the playoffs and won a game. DJ earned and received a contract based on last year's performance and what they perceive of his future. While I do not doubt we will continue to strive to get to the Super Bowl, we still have a lot of work to do.
Of coarse we have a lot of work to do and that’s my point. We are in the discussion and need to have a good off-season but it’s not out of the question to think we can be a Super Bowl team. We now have All-pro players and a few leaps from some guys next season from Neal and Thibs, and our rookie TE and a few others returning from injury and we are in the mix.
My point is that when you sign a QB to a top 9 money you better believe you are in the Superbowl mix or they should have let him walk. Things change fast in the NFL.
It’s so tiresome
yes could be a nice get
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
and if we do that how do we sign/extend Dexter, AT, and Love?
I actually think Jones numbers will improve from last year.
I like Zach Allen too but also a high AAV.
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
“What’s done is done”
Proceeds to repeat himself nauseam in every thread. Refuses to move on.
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Kevin Zeitler, G
Converted $5.335M of 2023 salary into signing bonus, adding 4 void years, clearing $4.268M of cap with Baltimore (BAL)
He makes it clear he is leaving the 49ers. The article author speculates he goes to the Houston Texans, but the only thing confirmed is that he won't be in San Francisco.
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By end of day Monday, there were 50 players that agreed to change teams and 33 that re-signed, plus 24 that had re-signed prior to Monday.
He makes it clear he is leaving the 49ers. The article author speculates he goes to the Houston Texans, but the only thing confirmed is that he won't be in San Francisco. Link - ( New Window )
Right now all signs point to the Texans unless they try to nickel-dime him.
Another telltale Rodgers is going there. Him and Lazard are close.
Elijah Moore could be on the trade market.
Where did you see this? Thought they did not want to let him go. He would be a great piece for Wink
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
it is what it is. Carr got 33, Geno 25 and Jimmu G 21. We are paying 40 and another 5 to Taylor. But no matter. If you don’t think that’s an overpay that he couldn’t have got anywhere else, cool. If you think Jones is better than those guys, sorry you’re a homer letting your heart do your thinking for you.
fwiw, i think you're right and probsbky most neutrals would agree but there is little room for dusagreement allowed on here
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2. C
3. CB2
4. LB2
5. EDGE Depth
6. TE2
7. DL Depth
C - Interested about the market for Garrett Bradbury. He’s be a big upgrade of Feliciano. If no to Bradbury, then likely we’ll see Feliciano + a rookie
TE2 - have a feeling Irv Smith may end up a Giant
WR’s - Meyers just signed for 11 apy. Wonder where that puts the value of Chark, Slayton, Campbell and Hardman.
Edge Depth - Justin Houston?
CB2 - Rock Ya Sin? Byron Murphy?
The longer you wait in FA, the more likely you are to get a bargain on these guys if they are still available
Dalvin Tomlinson, DT
Signed a 4 year $57 million contract with Cleveland (CLE)
obviously receiver depth chart is completely empty so the veteran wr trade rumors out there are interesting and sort of obvious.
the extension discussions with barkley are probably going to soften up as he continues to see other rbs sit out there on the market not getting big deals (or any deals). the same is true of adoree jackson, and probably lw to some degree too even though a lot of DL continue to get paid well.
they gave out 2 aggressive contracts to add 2 players in the front 7 they clearly liked with those markets moving yesterday.
given how the offense runs i think we'll see them target a specific WR in another splashy move as that market starts moving and then some corresponding cap work, probably in the form of a cap lowering extension for someone.
It might be to expensive either.
obviously receiver depth chart is completely empty so the veteran wr trade rumors out there are interesting and sort of obvious.
the extension discussions with barkley are probably going to soften up as he continues to see other rbs sit out there on the market not getting big deals (or any deals). the same is true of adoree jackson, and probably lw to some degree too even though a lot of DL continue to get paid well.
they gave out 2 aggressive contracts to add 2 players in the front 7 they clearly liked with those markets moving yesterday.
given how the offense runs i think we'll see them target a specific WR in another splashy move as that market starts moving and then some corresponding cap work, probably in the form of a cap lowering extension for someone.
Would think there are multiple options that can be had for the right price and the price will come down the longer no team pays it.
Many teams for 1 reason or another such as cap space, not ready to compete and the WR is getting old, big contract coming up soon will have a guy out there they will be wanting to part with.
Who do we settle on: is it Hopkins? Jeudy? Evans? Or a bit of a surprise like Aiyuk or Pittman....
The only semi-high quality option in FA now is gone. And the price was pretty low for a WR.
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It might be to expensive either.
i could see it. i like hardman and my only big knock on him is that if there was upside it probably would have been unlocked with mahomes already. despite his speed he hasnt been able to hit as many big plays as you would think, but he probably doesnt get enough credit for turning himself into a reasonably polished receiver. above average drop rate for his career including the last 2 years, high catch%. would be an upgrade on richie james.
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This would be nice. Be a very nice 2 TE set with a lot of flexibility.
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I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.
Like him a lot too for this offense.
Gesicki is a similar talent though who might come cheaper due to suppressed production last year
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Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.
It might be to expensive either.
i could see it. i like hardman and my only big knock on him is that if there was upside it probably would have been unlocked with mahomes already. despite his speed he hasnt been able to hit as many big plays as you would think, but he probably doesnt get enough credit for turning himself into a reasonably polished receiver. above average drop rate for his career including the last 2 years, high catch%. would be an upgrade on richie james.
It did seem like he was really starting to break out last year right before he got hurt
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Mecole Hardman is a guy they may want. Connection to Kafka, can provide returns on KO and punts, speedy.
It might be to expensive either.
i could see it. i like hardman and my only big knock on him is that if there was upside it probably would have been unlocked with mahomes already. despite his speed he hasnt been able to hit as many big plays as you would think, but he probably doesnt get enough credit for turning himself into a reasonably polished receiver. above average drop rate for his career including the last 2 years, high catch%. would be an upgrade on richie james.
It did seem like he was really starting to break out last year right before he got hurt
yup in the game he got hurt he drew a few big pass interferences down field also (believe he actually got hurt landing awkwardly on one of them after a defender hit him early).
he only just turned 25 also. he'd be a good signing if they can get him away from KC affordably.
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I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.
Like him a lot too for this offense.
Gesicki is a similar talent though who might come cheaper due to suppressed production last year
Schultz and Gisecki are completely different talents. Schultz is a great blocker and a dependable receiver. Gisecki is a great athlete and very fast but he’s a terrible blocker.
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133/3years fully guaranteed😒 but I need a agent? 🤣🤦🏾♂️
I'm not good with Twitter though. Maybe he is just laughing at someone that suggested this???
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That would be a coup.
Where did you see this? Thought they did not want to let him go. He would be a great piece for Wink
Stapleton mentioned it last night after they signed Davenport but he might have jumped the gun.
It might be to expensive either.
The WR’s I wanted going into free agency were the buy low types like Hardman, Parris Campbell, and DJ Chark. The giants will more than likely draft a WR early in the draft but they also need another 2-3 on the depth chart.
What do you think of him?
I was just looking through some free agents and he looks interesting
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id be pretty shocked and a little disappointed if they did this after the plane video. i was all for it up until then, and i do think he'd be a really good fit talent wise. seems like the same self centered d-bag that forced his way out in the first place though.
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I'd really like Schultz on the Giants (depending on the price obviously). I think him and Bellinger would make a really nice Tandem and help sure up the TE position.
Like him a lot too for this offense.
Gesicki is a similar talent though who might come cheaper due to suppressed production last year
Schultz and Gisecki are completely different talents. Schultz is a great blocker and a dependable receiver. Gisecki is a great athlete and very fast but he’s a terrible blocker.
Jay didn't realize the disparity in the blocking ability. If the cost is anywhere close then Shultz is most definitely preferable.
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Team OBJ are apparently big contract hunting. And there is NFW I would pay him anything remotely close to the apparent ask.
But I have ZERO interest in rekindling this football relationship. I ask the question all of the time - why would you suddenly trust this guy to be dependable, accountable, self-less, etc.
Adding him would be a real downer for me...
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133/3years fully guaranteed😒 but I need a agent? 🤣🤦🏾♂️
I'm not good with Twitter though. Maybe he is just laughing at someone that suggested this???
No he turned down that offer... He was saying look I am getting a big offer what do I need an agent for. Plus other teams can't even offer him yet. So he will see what he can get from other teams.
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Great deal here.
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"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
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Team OBJ are apparently big contract hunting. And there is NFW I would pay him anything remotely close to the apparent ask.
But I have ZERO interest in rekindling this football relationship. I ask the question all of the time - why would you suddenly trust this guy to be dependable, accountable, self-less, etc.
Adding him would be a real downer for me...
One very real disconnect between fans and the reality of that entire situation is the perception that he wasn't dependable or accountable. Not a single Giants player or personnel person aside from the GM which turned the team into a dumpster fire ever implied that he wasn't extremely hardworking or a good teammate. He practiced and player hard and run blocked. People don't like admitting that because it doesn't fit the script.
The Giants have shown interest in him at each of these workouts and if they sign him, it's because he has something to offer.
Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.
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"I still wouldn't rule out Odell Beckham Jr going back to the Giants. They've had good conversations with him, especially when he was in the building back around Thanksgiving. I definitely wouldn't rule out OBJ and the Giants."-
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Team OBJ are apparently big contract hunting. And there is NFW I would pay him anything remotely close to the apparent ask.
But I have ZERO interest in rekindling this football relationship. I ask the question all of the time - why would you suddenly trust this guy to be dependable, accountable, self-less, etc.
Adding him would be a real downer for me...
One very real disconnect between fans and the reality of that entire situation is the perception that he wasn't dependable or accountable. Not a single Giants player or personnel person aside from the GM which turned the team into a dumpster fire ever implied that he wasn't extremely hardworking or a good teammate. He practiced and player hard and run blocked. People don't like admitting that because it doesn't fit the script.
The Giants have shown interest in him at each of these workouts and if they sign him, it's because he has something to offer.
how was he a good teammate when he threw his teammates under the bus in the lil wayne interview?
the nyg showed interest in him before the video from the plane got out, and since then despite a major need at wr there hasn't been much connecting them. they sent the wr coach only to his showcase.
i was all for signing him a few months ago but if they sign him after the plane video it will be their first compromise on the type of behavior they've preached. i dont see it given the contract demands and the obvious risks coming off surgery.
Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.
1:35 PM · Mar 14, 2023
LOL!! I can't wait to watch this disaster....
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Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.
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LOL!! I can't wait to watch this disaster....
Oof, no way this can end well. They should have made Carr the priority
But even if you carve out his very questionable antics (I'm not), he's cracked 30 and his career has become riddled with injuries. That alone should raise Buyer Beware signals, even at 50% of his asinine ask.
they are a lock to max out the 4. just a question of how high they are.
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Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.
Their backups? Who? These guys signing were all starters for them.
Jeudy is interesting but would be hesitant to give up a 2. A 3 this year and 4 next year I’d be on board with
Gave Davis could be another name to watch…
Jeudy is interesting but would be hesitant to give up a 2. A 3 this year and 4 next year I’d be on board with
Gave Davis could be another name to watch…
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Jeudy is interesting but would be hesitant to give up a 2. A 3 this year and 4 next year I’d be on board with
Gave Davis could be another name to watch…
If the Giants are going to use a late first or a second rounder on a WR anyway, I'd probably go with Jeudy. The contract is a separate issue to navigate, but trading a 2 isn't a big roadblock to me.
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Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.
Their backups? Who? These guys signing were all starters for them.
Andre Dillard signed for almost 10m/yr.
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And looking to add a WR
Jeudy is interesting but would be hesitant to give up a 2. A 3 this year and 4 next year I’d be on board with
Gave Davis could be another name to watch…
If the Giants are going to use a late first or a second rounder on a WR anyway, I'd probably go with Jeudy. The contract is a separate issue to navigate, but trading a 2 isn't a big roadblock to me.
If so the Giants need to make a couple of draft day moves to recoup the second round and third round picks. They still have 11 picks but 8 of them are 4th round and later
Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs
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WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.
Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs
I'm surprised they didn't try to sign Greg Jennings or Donald Driver
It already started. They gave an average wr 44 mil while having a loaded wr group already
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reminds me of the second coming of the Durant/Irving Nets. They wanted their guys to join them and we all now how that turned out. Going for instant gratification by selling your soul to the devil does not work. The Jets will be a disaster 2 years from now if Rogers comes. You can bank on it.
It already started. They gave an average wr 44 mil while having a loaded wr group already
They basically swap in Lazard for Corey Davis to make Rodgers happy. Curious to see the full details of the contract. Saw only 22m guaranteed
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WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.
Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs
He was projected to get more... Not to mention 11 per most likely is going to turn into a 3 year 8-9 per
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WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.
Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs
Looks like $22M guaranteed. So, I'd like to see more details.
I like Lazard and think he's a WR2 minus. And he's a tremendous blocker, which the Jets should like with their potential to be a very solid running team.
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WR contracts aren't that bad... OBJ I am sure will have to come way down in price.
Lazard's contract is ridiculous. 4 years, 44 million and his career season was 788 yards and 6 TDs
Looks like $22M guaranteed. So, I'd like to see more details.
I like Lazard and think he's a WR2 minus. And he's a tremendous blocker, which the Jets should like with their potential to be a very solid running team.
Lazard has never had even 800 yards receiving. In fact, ‘22 was the only year he broke 700. If the Giants signed that kind of production to $22M guaranteed you’d lose your mind.
It’s amazing how much more forgiving and complimentary you are when it’s other teams
Hahaha that is funny
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I would need to see more details, but the $22M guaranteed doesn't seem bad for a four-year deal.
However, if searching for a WR1 solution the only way to solve that this year is either trade or the draft.
No, I wouldn’t. He’s kinda like Slayton. As long as he isn’t one of your top targets he’s fine but never in a million years would I enjoy paying a guy like Lazard that kind of money.
Lazard has never had even 800 yards receiving. In fact, ‘22 was the only year he broke 700. If the Giants signed that kind of production to $22M guaranteed you’d lose your mind.
It’s amazing how much more forgiving and complimentary you are when it’s other teams
Let's review. I said the $22M guaranteed over 4 years didn't seem that bad and I would need to see more details. Where did I say I wished NYG signed him to that contract?
I'm all for criticism, but only when it's accurate. In this case, no surprise, you are wrong because I criticize players from other teams frequently.
I can't control what you read.
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If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it
I would need to see more details, but the $22M guaranteed doesn't seem bad for a four-year deal.
However, if searching for a WR1 solution the only way to solve that this year is either trade or the draft.
$22 million guaranteed to Allen Lazard is $22 million more than I would give him, and thank goodness Joe Schoen didn’t do that either
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If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it
I would need to see more details, but the $22M guaranteed doesn't seem bad for a four-year deal.
However, if searching for a WR1 solution the only way to solve that this year is either trade or the draft.
$22 million guaranteed to Allen Lazard is $22 million more than I would give him, and thank goodness Joe Schoen didn’t do that either
No offense, but who cares if is more than you would give him. You are a fan who looked at some stats and think you know more than you do. Fact is most people thought he would sign for more. Probably wanted to stay with Aaron Rodgers.
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If the Giants signed him to that contract would you be OK with it
I would need to see more details, but the $22M guaranteed doesn't seem bad for a four-year deal.
However, if searching for a WR1 solution the only way to solve that this year is either trade or the draft.
$22 million guaranteed to Allen Lazard is $22 million more than I would give him, and thank goodness Joe Schoen didn’t do that either
No offense, but who cares if is more than you would give him. You are a fan who looked at some stats and think you know more than you do. Fact is most people thought he would sign for more. Probably wanted to stay with Aaron Rodgers.
No way, most Packers fans are laughing at the deal
What are the actual contract numbers? 4 years 44m doesn't tell us much
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more than $11 million a year for four years? LOL
What are the actual contract numbers? 4 years 44m doesn't tell us much
If the Giants paid a #3 receiver $11 million we would be flipping out, especially after the Kenny Golladay experience
1. +250 Dallas
2. +300 bills
3. +400 giants
… make it happen
He's quietly been one of the better slot CB's in the league over the last 2 years playing for the Texans.
Sticky in coverage...seems like he'd be a nice upgrade over Holmes.
1st in yds/snap
1st in passer rating allowed
2021:
2nd in yds/snap
4th in passer rating allowed
amongst qualifying slot CB's (at least 150 snaps
Byron Murphy, CB
Signed a 2 year $22 million contract with Minnesota (MIN
Indeed !!!
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Loved my time in NY. I’d want to play LG and I’d want fair market value. I’m worth way more then minimum. I don’t need to sign tomorrow. (I would for the right deal). I have ACL recovery plus when teams realize that rookie they drafted can’t pass protect I’ll have more value!
They are not FA signings that would greatly alter draft strategy but they would give us more flexibility.
I would imagine it is more like a 1 year deal
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more than $11 million a year for four years? LOL
What are the actual contract numbers? 4 years 44m doesn't tell us much
If the Giants paid a #3 receiver $11 million we would be flipping out, especially after the Kenny Golladay experience
You're looking at it in a vacuum. This is a guy they needed to get for Rodgers and it doesn't seem like he's going to be on the books for more than a couple of years. Releasing Corey Davis, who was never really healthy covers this years' cost.
I would also hope our GM wouldn't hesitate to bring in a player because they've made a mistake on another player in the past
They are not FA signings that would greatly alter draft strategy but they would give us more flexibility.
CB Sean Murphy Bunting is another one worth checking out
Wagner , lavonte David , tranquil , Devin bush and a few others still available
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4 years, $44 million. A crazy overpay. He's a #3 receiver
I would imagine it is more like a 1 year deal
He got $22M guaranteed
Wagner , lavonte David , tranquil , Devin bush and a few others still available
Bush is not any good and Wagner is going to the Seahawks most likely.
DL Calais Campbell
ER Leonard Floyd
ER Justin Houston
ILB Devin Bush
ILB Anthony Walker
ILB Bobby Wagner
CB Marcus Peters
CB Shaq Griffin
And one of the many quality safeties out there
A couple of people are insinuating that this makes him easier to trade.
Could this be a trade between the Bills and the Giants? I also heard that he might be traded to the Cowboys. That he wants to play with his brother.
Plus the cap hit and dead money would be devasting...
A lot of arm chair GM's out there in the twitterverse
CB Tavierre Thomas or Tre Herndon
C Jon Feliciano
Edge Jihad Ward
A camp arm QB
Would be the rest of the Giants signings
Then they go into the draft with receiver, C, Edge Depth and Corner as top priorities. Throw some darts in the late rounds for LB, RB, swing tackle and DL Depth.
Wouldn't call it a need to re-sign Feliciano :P
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C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.
Wouldn't call it a need to re-sign Feliciano :P
hahaha ... nice
I wouldn't call Feliciano a must sign. He was decent but this team needs a better player in the middle. If he is brought back then I hope the Giants draft a G/C on day two or early day 3 to compete with him.
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C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.
I wouldn't call Feliciano a must sign. He was decent but this team needs a better player in the middle. If he is brought back then I hope the Giants draft a G/C on day two or early day 3 to compete with him.
i think it's a near certainty he's back now with most of the other UFA C's off the board including Gates.
I think it's also a near certainty that they draft someone to groom behind him and maybe compete with Bredeson/Ezeudu at LG.
i think it's a near certainty he's back now with most of the other UFA C's off the board including Gates.
I think it's also a near certainty that they draft someone to groom behind him and maybe compete with Bredeson/Ezeudu at LG.
I just looked at the remaining centers on the market and my god is it barren. There are some guards who have played center that are somewhat intriguing like Graham Glasgow and former Giant Evan Brown.
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i think it's a near certainty he's back now with most of the other UFA C's off the board including Gates.
I think it's also a near certainty that they draft someone to groom behind him and maybe compete with Bredeson/Ezeudu at LG.
I just looked at the remaining centers on the market and my god is it barren. There are some guards who have played center that are somewhat intriguing like Graham Glasgow and former Giant Evan Brown.
I have my mock drafts going WR-OC-CB. I'd love to draft a center in the first few rounds.
CB Tavierre Thomas or Tre Herndon
C Jon Feliciano
Edge Jihad Ward
A camp arm QB
Would be the rest of the Giants signings
Then they go into the draft with receiver, C, Edge Depth and Corner as top priorities. Throw some darts in the late rounds for LB, RB, swing tackle and DL Depth.
This sounds about right and I am good with it.
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C Jon Feliciano and hopefully Love with no cap space right now... so we need to make some more moves.
I wouldn't call Feliciano a must sign. He was decent but this team needs a better player in the middle. If he is brought back then I hope the Giants draft a G/C on day two or early day 3 to compete with him.
I still think BB may be better at OC and get a chance
I still think BB may be better at OC and get a chance
I think so too. Bredeson was working with the second team at center for most of the offseason and he reportedly impressed. He did look solid in the preseason as well.
Now a FA and we will see how Wink feels about it.
I think the Giants could use that money more effectively in the front 7 or OL.
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The #Patriots are giving WR JuJu Smith-Schuster a 3-year deal worth $33m, source said. A big investment.
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The #Patriots are giving WR JuJu Smith-Schuster a 3-year deal worth $33m, source said. A big investment.
i dont see how odell tops this
heck, due to two acl, he should get less
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The #Patriots are giving WR JuJu Smith-Schuster a 3-year deal worth $33m, source said. A big investment.
i dont see how odell tops this
heck, due to two acl, he should get less
i think that depends on how he looked at his workout (including whatever gps times he's hitting right now). jjss has had a number of injuries and even with mahomes had a meh year. the last time we saw obj he was making a big impact on a sb run, and supposedly the previous acl surgery was an issue that got corrected with the most recent one.
i dont like obj for nyg for off field reasons but i think there's a chance whatever deal he signs is messaged as a 3x50m with a little more guaranteed than whatever jjss gets. unless he didnt look good at his showcase.
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The #Patriots are giving WR JuJu Smith-Schuster a 3-year deal worth $33m, source said. A big investment.
i dont see how odell tops this
heck, due to two acl, he should get less
I think he will, in non-GTD money. But the Meyers and JJSS signings does ballpark him I would think at below $15M AAV.
With JJSS and Meyers off the board, to me OBJ is the last of the higher-tier WRs with respect to this free agency class, left on the market.
we still need alot more wandale might not be ready until playoffs drive and he only played a few games last yr
doesnt have to be a wr1 a solid wr2 would help or draft pick
He did not play last year, has had 2 serious ACL injuries to the same knee. He’ll be a 31 year old receiver whose game was largely driven by quick twitch and explosiveness.
I really hope the Giants aren’t the team that gives him a multi year deal.
I don’t think his market is hot either- it seems he’s asking to be compensated for what he was pre-knee injury (based on a workout where he ran routes versus air)
agreed. listening to the waller interview is refreshing, keep getting guys like that.
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I've heard some buzz today about the #Giants connected to D.J. Chark and Mecole Hardman. We'll see if that has any legs. You'd expect them to explore all options on the market.
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I've heard some buzz today about the #Giants connected to D.J. Chark and Mecole Hardman. We'll see if that has any legs. You'd expect them to explore all options on the market.
Both offer speed which is what this WR group needs. I like it.
Would expect 2 yrs 20 mil range for Chark. Hardman probably a bit less- he may even want to do a 1 year prove it deal given his age. Would set himself up to cash in next off-season.
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I've heard some buzz today about the #Giants connected to D.J. Chark and Mecole Hardman. We'll see if that has any legs. You'd expect them to explore all options on the market.
Both offer speed which is what this WR group needs. I like it.
Would expect 2 yrs 20 mil range for Chark. Hardman probably a bit less- he may even want to do a 1 year prove it deal given his age. Would set himself up to cash in next off-season.
I think Hardman can be had for a 1 year $3.5 million contract with incentives. I have no idea what Chark will command but 2 for $20 sounds fair.
Sign a WR in this market is probably Hardman to replace Slayton as the deep threat, if I had to guess.
I can't imagine Schoen allowing Denver to dictate terms to him on Jeudy. Denver's price has to come down quite a bit. There's no way Schoen gives up a first round pick there. I still think Hopkins is a possibility because the Cardinals have virtually no market for him. A report from ESPN a couple of days ago said only one team was interested in Hopkins
I know a lot of the RBs signed are not in Barkley's class, but still...
For Jeudy a 3&5 would have been cool with doing. Now the more I think about it, we are better off not overpaying. It wasn't meant to be.
I don't want Odell back. Forget Hopkins. I want younger and cheaper talent.
I am ready to move on to the draft.
we still need a center and another CB.
Brown signed a 4 year deal for $64 million with the Bengals
Taylor signed a 4 year deal for $80 million with the Chiefs
$60 million of Jawaan Taylors $80 million dollar deal is guaranteed.