I don't mind JS letting everyone else eat up cap room on DT's and ILB's and then swoop in to grab someone cheaper. We definitely have needs at both positions, but they are also positions where players can go from quality starter to overpaid very quickly (see Snacks Harrison).
As long as we are not going into next season with ILB like we've had for so many years, I am ok with the approach. But you can't keep saying hey these guys are overpriced and take the approach ofl trying to hit the lottery with mid to late round LBs. That strategy has done nothing but prove to produce liabilities in the run and passing game.
We only have one season of that approach with JS, but I sure hope we get some legit LBs be it via FA or in the draft.
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
+1.
I agree and disagree. We made the playoffs and won a game with a pretty empty roster especially at the skill positions. Are we close to winning the SB? Well, we are not as far off as many but we are a WAYS off from being any kind of a favorite..
We don't need to sign a bunch of people right now but we do need to add some talent, maybe a trade for talent and then a great draft.
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
Disagree. Every offseason is a chance to get better. Giants had a talent deficiency, and still made it within 2 games of the super bowl. The team to beat in their division is losing 10+ starters.
The Giants should be trying to upgrade their roster with smart signings. Add young players to the core at a reasonable price.
I get not paying too of the market, but you add a few pieces this off-season and the Giants go from “overachieving bad team” to a legitimate NFC contender. This conference is up for grabs.
Jamel Dean, TJ Edwards both would’ve been great additions with the contracts they got. 26 and 27 years old.
Again, I’m not asking for a Bears-like spending spree- that hardly ever works. But Philly’s roster last year was literally built around good core that was supplemented through YEARS of great FA signings and trade acquisitions (Brown, CJGJ, Reddick, Hargrave, Bradberry, Slay).
missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
If anyone has the salary to sign Orlando Brown and the experience with him it is Poles. That being said, not sure he is a good fit in a locker room that really doesn’t have someone to counter his me-first attitude.
missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
Nate Davis is a good get for them.
If you aren’t gunning for the Super Bowl after making the playoffs
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I totally disagree
DJ deal is really not that hampering of a contract.
It allows them to stay competitive while they are still turning the roster, by end of year 2 of DJs contract we will either be making the a couple splashes in FA to make a run or DJ does not work and we go after and draft our next QB but at least our next QB will not be joining a team that is complete shit like DJ had to deal with.
This team is still going to have the goal of winning it all but not selling out financial stability until the team is talented enough to take the risk.
“ The wide receiver market slow to develop, at least as compared to other positions today. Not surprising when you consider the class. Who will be the first to agree to a deal and help establish the market? Robert Woods did a 2 year, 15 mil dollar deal with the Texans pre FA.”
missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
Nate Davis is a good get for them.
He’s ok. Marginal G play. It’s an upgrade but they still need three OL.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
“ The wide receiver market slow to develop, at least as compared to other positions today. Not surprising when you consider the class. Who will be the first to agree to a deal and help establish the market? Robert Woods did a 2 year, 15 mil dollar deal with the Texans pre FA.”
not surprising when you look at the contracts. There are a few highly compensated guys, a host of lower end guys and practically nothing in between.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
Zach Allen DT AZ (age 25)
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
This is basically my wish list as well. I also like Bobby Okereke as a LB option too.
Good list. I’d add Okereke, Byron Murphy (inside-out flexibility, young), and Dalton Schultz (would be awesome to get DJ a reliable target over the MOF)
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
The #Giants big splash of free agency: Sources say they have agreed to terms with #Colts FA LB Bobby Okereke, giving them a new face in the middle of their defense.
Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.
The maximum number of comp picks in one year is four no matter how many free agents they lose. You can get extra comp picks for special minority signings in front office. GM, etc.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
it is what it is. Carr got 33, Geno 25 and Jimmu G 21. We are paying 40 and another 5 to Taylor. But no matter. If you don’t think that’s an overpay that he couldn’t have got anywhere else, cool. If you think Jones is better than those guys, sorry you’re a homer letting your heart do your thinking for you.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.
The maximum number of comp picks in one year is four no matter how many free agents they lose. You can get extra comp picks for special minority signings in front office. GM, etc.
Wasn’t aware they capped it, good to know.
Rudy - Most of the guys they’re losing are unrestricted free agents. They’re not voided contracts.
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Former Cardinals’ DE Zach Allen reached agreement on a three-year, $45.75 million deal that includes $32.5 million guaranteed at signing, per source. Allen is reunited with Denver DC Vance Joseph.
calais on a reasonable deal would be a great pickup here.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
Philly would lose so many guys. I don’t think I even realized they had so many FAs but they are taking body blows this offseason. I still trust they will be a major problem but they definitely took some hits. And the draft is never a sure thing hopefully they choke.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
Jones would have gotten that or more as a FA. No doubt in my mind. The league is starved for QB’s.
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
Sorry, Rudy, but the only thing wrong is your perception of the situation. Last year the Giants had a few good pieces, virtually no depth, and had to fill in the gaps with 'bargain basement' players. But because we now have a GM that seems to know what he's doing, and a competent coaching staff, we made the playoffs and won a game. DJ earned and received a contract based on last year's performance and what they perceive of his future. While I do not doubt we will continue to strive to get to the Super Bowl, we still have a lot of work to do.
An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
Which QB as good could we have signed for less and how do you guarantee that happens?
Talking about the Jones deal in this thread should be a ban
Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
Sorry, Rudy, but the only thing wrong is your perception of the situation. Last year the Giants had a few good pieces, virtually no depth, and had to fill in the gaps with 'bargain basement' players. But because we now have a GM that seems to know what he's doing, and a competent coaching staff, we made the playoffs and won a game. DJ earned and received a contract based on last year's performance and what they perceive of his future. While I do not doubt we will continue to strive to get to the Super Bowl, we still have a lot of work to do.
Of coarse we have a lot of work to do and that’s my point. We are in the discussion and need to have a good off-season but it’s not out of the question to think we can be a Super Bowl team. We now have All-pro players and a few leaps from some guys next season from Neal and Thibs, and our rookie TE and a few others returning from injury and we are in the mix.
My point is that when you sign a QB to a top 9 money you better believe you are in the Superbowl mix or they should have let him walk. Things change fast in the NFL.
RE: Talking about the Jones deal in this thread should be a ban
offensive lineman?? This position is the key to success! Yes they need to draft some, but you need to get stud in FA. They missed out on Ben Powers, Nate Davis, and Connor McGovern. Isaac Seumalo or Garrett Bradbury would be good options.
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
Yes we made the playoffs last year
No, we are no close to winning the super bowl
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
+1.
As long as we are not going into next season with ILB like we've had for so many years, I am ok with the approach. But you can't keep saying hey these guys are overpriced and take the approach ofl trying to hit the lottery with mid to late round LBs. That strategy has done nothing but prove to produce liabilities in the run and passing game.
We only have one season of that approach with JS, but I sure hope we get some legit LBs be it via FA or in the draft.
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Still can't see the forest for the trees
Yes we made the playoffs last year
No, we are no close to winning the super bowl
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
+1.
I agree and disagree. We made the playoffs and won a game with a pretty empty roster especially at the skill positions. Are we close to winning the SB? Well, we are not as far off as many but we are a WAYS off from being any kind of a favorite..
We don't need to sign a bunch of people right now but we do need to add some talent, maybe a trade for talent and then a great draft.
Yes we made the playoffs last year
No, we are no close to winning the super bowl
Schoen is building for sustainable success. The rebuild is only beginning.
Got on Schoen for not trying to accelerate the timeline just because of an over achieving season last year.
Disagree. Every offseason is a chance to get better. Giants had a talent deficiency, and still made it within 2 games of the super bowl. The team to beat in their division is losing 10+ starters.
The Giants should be trying to upgrade their roster with smart signings. Add young players to the core at a reasonable price.
I get not paying too of the market, but you add a few pieces this off-season and the Giants go from “overachieving bad team” to a legitimate NFC contender. This conference is up for grabs.
Jamel Dean, TJ Edwards both would’ve been great additions with the contracts they got. 26 and 27 years old.
Again, I’m not asking for a Bears-like spending spree- that hardly ever works. But Philly’s roster last year was literally built around good core that was supplemented through YEARS of great FA signings and trade acquisitions (Brown, CJGJ, Reddick, Hargrave, Bradberry, Slay).
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
Some other guys that I am interested in adding to your list
David Long LB TEN (age 26)
Mecole Hardman WR (age 25)
Devin Bush PIT (age 24)
If anyone has the salary to sign Orlando Brown and the experience with him it is Poles. That being said, not sure he is a good fit in a locker room that really doesn’t have someone to counter his me-first attitude.
Nate Davis is a good get for them.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I totally disagree
DJ deal is really not that hampering of a contract.
It allows them to stay competitive while they are still turning the roster, by end of year 2 of DJs contract we will either be making the a couple splashes in FA to make a run or DJ does not work and we go after and draft our next QB but at least our next QB will not be joining a team that is complete shit like DJ had to deal with.
This team is still going to have the goal of winning it all but not selling out financial stability until the team is talented enough to take the risk.
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missed on OL so far. Might be in on a couple but that’s their biggest issue right now. Poles forte is supposedly scouting OL to develop so we will see.
Nate Davis is a good get for them.
He’s ok. Marginal G play. It’s an upgrade but they still need three OL.
Oyy not this shit again
Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
This is basically my wish list as well. I also like Bobby Okereke as a LB option too.
Now I’m getting a bit annoyed. That is a deal the Giants should be ALL over. I would’ve given him 3/18.
Then again, maybe they were, but he chose the state w/warm weather and no income tax.
Lol deal could have been for $10M a year and they would still be complaining. Haters gonna hate. And cry like bitches
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Zach Allen DT AZ (age 25)
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
This is basically my wish list as well. I also like Bobby Okereke as a LB option too.
Good list. I’d add Okereke, Byron Murphy (inside-out flexibility, young), and Dalton Schultz (would be awesome to get DJ a reliable target over the MOF)
A lot of really dumb football fans out there.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
This post did not age well.
The maximum number of comp picks in one year is four no matter how many free agents they lose. You can get extra comp picks for special minority signings in front office. GM, etc.
Most of their FAs are on voided contracts and don’t factor into the comp pick formula.
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
Saying it multiple times on different threads won’t make you less drastically wrong than you already are. Jimmy G got significantly overpaid as a UFA. Brock Purdy put up better stats and Jimmy G has played 16 games ONCE! You are likely going to need a backup to play a substantial amount of the season to equal the snaps the Giants will get from Jones. If Jones was a UFA and not on Franchise tender he is absolutely getting what Giants gave.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
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Their backups are getting scooped up for starter money.
The maximum number of comp picks in one year is four no matter how many free agents they lose. You can get extra comp picks for special minority signings in front office. GM, etc.
Wasn’t aware they capped it, good to know.
Rudy - Most of the guys they’re losing are unrestricted free agents. They’re not voided contracts.
Former Cardinals’ DE Zach Allen reached agreement on a three-year, $45.75 million deal that includes $32.5 million guaranteed at signing, per source. Allen is reunited with Denver DC Vance Joseph.
calais on a reasonable deal would be a great pickup here.
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
Jones would have gotten that or more as a FA. No doubt in my mind. The league is starved for QB’s.
I look at this as Alex Smith with the Chiefs. They’ll upgrade once the opportunity arises. If Jones reaches another level, great.
A lot of really dumb football fans out there.
It’s insanely stupid on Twitter. Better yet, childish. Matt in SGS is basically it for me when it comes to the twit.
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Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
Sorry, Rudy, but the only thing wrong is your perception of the situation. Last year the Giants had a few good pieces, virtually no depth, and had to fill in the gaps with 'bargain basement' players. But because we now have a GM that seems to know what he's doing, and a competent coaching staff, we made the playoffs and won a game. DJ earned and received a contract based on last year's performance and what they perceive of his future. While I do not doubt we will continue to strive to get to the Super Bowl, we still have a lot of work to do.
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In comment 16062436 HomerJones45 said:
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An obvious overpay in light of Carr, Geno and Garapollo. No way he gets that contract on the open market. Posters pointing and laughing at Dallas and Cleveland and look at what we are paying. Then add Taylor’s 5 million dead cap so we can’t cut him. Hope Schoen knows what he is doing.
You are just wrong. You have a hard on for Jones and you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. If Jones hits that market and he gets what the Giants paid. I think the Giants paid market price, no discount. I don't like it, but given all factors, at 25/26 y/o Jones has the most upside of the QBs out there on the market. Might Young, Stroud, Levis and Richardson have a high upside - yes. Yes, it is possible. Difference is Jones has done it in the NFL and actually won(and lost) a playoff game.
But I am talking to the wall.
it is what it is. I don’t know Jones and it’s not my money so could care less. He’s a mediocre qb of little accomplishment. We could have sent him into the market and signed him for a lot less or signed someone as good if not better for less. You don’t give a player $40 million a year because his agents want it or his ego demands it. We paid all the money and then some.
But what’s done is done, and I hope Schoen knows what he’s doing. If he did, great. Won’t bother me a bit. If he didnt’t, we are screwed for 3 years until we can unload the mediocrity. Hopefully Schoen turns us into the Niners in the meantime.
Which QB as good could we have signed for less and how do you guarantee that happens?
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In comment 16062405 Rudy5757 said:
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Something is wrong. Not saying the JS should be signing guys to big contracts I’m just saying that he signed his QB to a big contract, he better be looking at a Super Bowl run or he should have let DJ walk. I see quite a few posters saying we aren’t SuperBowl contenders. We better be or we wasted a boat load of money on a QB.
We have the FA period and the draft and pretty much the same roster. Our Window is now open and if we fail to be competitive JS and BD will be out when DJ goes. There is no grace period.
I'm not sure what people's objection is to the idea we are not super bowl contenders. We don't have any linebackers, wide receivers or corner backs, and the OL is a work in progress.
They signed Jones to an incentive loaded deal predicated on the idea that he can improve in the next 3 years. They think their window opens in the next 3 years.
Sorry, Rudy, but the only thing wrong is your perception of the situation. Last year the Giants had a few good pieces, virtually no depth, and had to fill in the gaps with 'bargain basement' players. But because we now have a GM that seems to know what he's doing, and a competent coaching staff, we made the playoffs and won a game. DJ earned and received a contract based on last year's performance and what they perceive of his future. While I do not doubt we will continue to strive to get to the Super Bowl, we still have a lot of work to do.
Of coarse we have a lot of work to do and that’s my point. We are in the discussion and need to have a good off-season but it’s not out of the question to think we can be a Super Bowl team. We now have All-pro players and a few leaps from some guys next season from Neal and Thibs, and our rookie TE and a few others returning from injury and we are in the mix.
My point is that when you sign a QB to a top 9 money you better believe you are in the Superbowl mix or they should have let him walk. Things change fast in the NFL.
It’s so tiresome
yes could be a nice get
Azeez Al-Shaair LB SF (age 25)
Rock Ya-Sin CB Oak (age 26)
DJ Chark WR DET (age 26)
If we could add this group and nice draft class...yes plz!!
and if we do that how do we sign/extend Dexter, AT, and Love?