Nice story, but always felt he was overrated and the underdog angle appealed to us fans. Now, I hope, the Giants will target and acquire a "real" center - either via the draft or FA.
First of all, he was probably a top 5 OC his one year starting there. Second, his play this year was not great, but that was almost exclusively at LG. His limited time at OC he played well and, even with rust, was still far and away better than Feliciano at the position. Once Gates was back in the mix, I don't know why he didn't move to OC and Feliciano to LG, where he is a much better player.
It's tough to tell how much of his play this past year was rust and/or strength related, or just playing out of position. I wish him well, but we can upgrade OC.
if we signed a center from another team coming off a horrific leg injury in 2021, looking somewhat mediocre in part time play after his return, to a 3 year deal?
First of all, he was probably a top 5 OC his one year starting there. Second, his play this year was not great, but that was almost exclusively at LG. His limited time at OC he played well and, even with rust, was still far and away better than Feliciano at the position. Once Gates was back in the mix, I don't know why he didn't move to OC and Feliciano to LG, where he is a much better player.
It's tough to tell how much of his play this past year was rust and/or strength related, or just playing out of position. I wish him well, but we can upgrade OC.
Agreed. The Giants probably wanted him back, but not at the number offered by Washington.
Happy for him given what he's been through.
And yes, he does count in the comp pick formula for next year.
but considering the injury he came back from, can’t begrudge him getting the biggest deal he could find. Good chance it’s the only time he gets a payday
Gates likely took the first decent deal knowing that despite the dearth of IOL, many teams would be understandably suspicious of signing him because of his injury history.
Maybe that can be put to rest. Loved him and his edge but he wasn't the same when he came back I don't think. And Giants weren't risking a 3 year deal on his potential recovery.
Maybe that can be put to rest. Loved him and his edge but he wasn't the same when he came back I don't think. And Giants weren't risking a 3 year deal on his potential recovery.
They still kept Shep who can't get out of bed in the morning without tearing an ACL, and their "awesome" punter..
“ Three years, $16.5 million with another $1.5 million for a max value of $18 million for Nick Gates with the #Commanders. Gets $8 million guaranteed.”
he really wasn't very good. He has played at replacement level his whole career for most part IMO. Seems like a great teammate, I really liked him for that stuff...and of course he is a great story with his injury. But he is no big loss on the field.
“ Three years, $16.5 million with another $1.5 million for a max value of $18 million for Nick Gates with the #Commanders. Gets $8 million guaranteed.”
Highly unlikely the Giants will sign less value than they lose.
Agreed. Jones and Barkley are back. Who else is going to get a big contract elsewhere? Slayton? Love? If they leave, the Giants will probably sign their replacements for about the same money.
The Giants pretty much have to be active in free agency. They need a lot of upgrades. Five of their 11 draft picks are in the last two rounds — can't rely on help coming from those picks. They'll almost surely use their available cap space. So the chances of losing more free agent value than they sign is slender.
Maybe that can be put to rest. Loved him and his edge but he wasn't the same when he came back I don't think. And Giants weren't risking a 3 year deal on his potential recovery.
They still kept Shep who can't get out of bed in the morning without tearing an ACL, and their "awesome" punter..
Good point on Shep it's a bit of a head scratcher but he still has to make the team. As far as the punter I have no explanation but he's certainly no superstar. Do they still feel potential? Or maybe they bring in competition against him in camp? I don't think there's a love fest going on for him.
And I’m glad it was with someone else. Based off of last season his play has dropped off. Maybe he gets better or maybe he is what he is now. He got a nice deal and most likely a lot more than we wanted to pay.
I didn’t want him back because I want an upgrade. He was an average C before the injury.
Apparently, cuz one of JS's few FA signees in '22, so hometown bias there. I don't like it, because they didn't let Gates show potential for improvement post-surgeries. To me, his upside is still markedly better than the thoroughly mediocre JF. bleh!
So we didn't have a hole at center until Gates left? That is what your saying? No, we had a hole at center before Gates left. Anyone and Everyone knew that.
he really wasn't very good. He has played at replacement level his whole career for most part IMO. Seems like a great teammate, I really liked him for that stuff...and of course he is a great story with his injury. But he is no big loss on the field.
8 mil in the banks. Not bad considering the injuries he has recovered from.
from that injury.
Unless the added time and off-season got him better, he wasn’t worth the $4M avg guaranteed for 2 years….and I love the guy.
Wish him well.
as a fall back safe C, though really we want to improve and I guess Giants didn't think Gates was the guy. Maybe we spend some FA $ (tho not much out there) or look to draft - if we draft it would be good to have a vet fallback tho, I guess Bredeson could be that and maybe we invest at G instead.
I guess it's just nice that we can focus on specific OL spots instead of everywhere - we should have at least 3 (LT, RT and RG) locked down, and 1 other from Bredeson, Lemieux and Ezedu).
If he really valued NG and wanted him back, he would have made it happen.
Let the hand wringing and talk of lost Canton opportunities begin.
If NG had a good relationship with this braintrust (I certainly don't know) I believe his representation was told we were moving in a different direction.
Maybe that can be put to rest. Loved him and his edge but he wasn't the same when he came back I don't think. And Giants weren't risking a 3 year deal on his potential recovery.
They still kept Shep who can't get out of bed in the morning without tearing an ACL, and their "awesome" punter..
Good point on Shep it's a bit of a head scratcher but he still has to make the team.
Is it really a head scratcher? It's a league minimum deal. There is no WR much better than Shep that will come that cheap that you don't have to trade for. It's a value play, and at vet minimum it's a no brainer. If healthy, incredible steal. If not, you lose nothing. And he's not taking a roster spot from anyone right now either.
WR that can play don't grow on trees, you either draft them in round 1 or 2, make a big trade, or hope and pray.
BUT, there was no way he commands THAT type of salary. Schoen hinted a few weeks back he would like both Gates and Feliciano back to put in the mix for the inside. There is NO way he was going to commit this kind of money to either of them. They may go out and sign a FA center or look to the draft, but Schoen isn't going to commit 18 million to a maybe.
he really wasn't very good. He has played at replacement level his whole career for most part IMO. Seems like a great teammate, I really liked him for that stuff...and of course he is a great story with his injury. But he is no big loss on the field.
Agree 100%. The legend is bigger than the actually story
Prior to going down vs. WFT in September '21, I thought he was emerging into a damn good center & a real find. He struggled @ times this season, but I think that's to be expected coming back so soon for that injury.
Anyways, I wish him the best except when he's playing us.
Wasn't doing enough to keep Brederson on the bench
Worst case scenario is Brederson starts - so no real drop off from Gates
That's the bottom line, really, isn't it.
This talk that he's better than feliciano ( who isn't good) or he was a top 5 center is rubbish. And I liked him.
He was a depth piece that developed nicely, till he broke, and now he's back to depth
By the end of his first year at center he was a plus starter with upside. A great teammate and leader
He was better than JF this year by the eye test and grading. If you don’t see it then we can agree to disagree. I think the contract he got from WAS. Confirms he is more the “just a depth piece”.
If the club wants to upgrade or move on that’s fine, but the arm chair GMs saying he was nothing but a back up prove their ignorance with every post.
Oh well. Obviously WAS thought he was pretty good.
The flip side is - if we return the entire interior OL that gets manhandled by DAL and PHI, what are we really doing? We have to be able to physically match up with these guys.
BUT, there was no way he commands THAT type of salary. Schoen hinted a few weeks back he would like both Gates and Feliciano back to put in the mix for the inside. There is NO way he was going to commit this kind of money to either of them. They may go out and sign a FA center or look to the draft, but Schoen isn't going to commit 18 million to a maybe.
People here say we are losing depth but we are not signing gates to contract to sit on the bench for depth. Gates is not a good guard we can do better for less money.
“ Three years, $16.5 million with another $1.5 million for a max value of $18 million for Nick Gates with the #Commanders. Gets $8 million guaranteed.”
Not a bad deal at all for WSH.
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I think you have it backwards, not a bad deal for Gates.
Gates was a nice story, and great that he was able to come back at least. He didn't show that much last year especially playing guard, people kind of romanticize about this player.
This regime clearly didn’t value him as much as the previous.
Good for him getting paid but if you go to a rival team by choice you're dead to me.
I just wish it was with the Giants.
It's tough to tell how much of his play this past year was rust and/or strength related, or just playing out of position. I wish him well, but we can upgrade OC.
Now he’s Washington trash.
For now.
It's tough to tell how much of his play this past year was rust and/or strength related, or just playing out of position. I wish him well, but we can upgrade OC.
Agreed. The Giants probably wanted him back, but not at the number offered by Washington.
Happy for him given what he's been through.
And yes, he does count in the comp pick formula for next year.
So much for us loving our own lol
Worst case scenario is Brederson starts - so no real drop off from Gates
Gates likely took the first decent deal knowing that despite the dearth of IOL, many teams would be understandably suspicious of signing him because of his injury history.
They still kept Shep who can't get out of bed in the morning without tearing an ACL, and their "awesome" punter..
We didn’t have one when he was here. All he is at this point is a great story
Highly unlikely the Giants will sign less value than they lose.
Not a bad deal at all for WSH.
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Any potential for a comp pick here?
Highly unlikely the Giants will sign less value than they lose.
The Giants pretty much have to be active in free agency. They need a lot of upgrades. Five of their 11 draft picks are in the last two rounds — can't rely on help coming from those picks. They'll almost surely use their available cap space. So the chances of losing more free agent value than they sign is slender.
I guess he’s OK with the turf…sucks he’s gone
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Maybe that can be put to rest. Loved him and his edge but he wasn't the same when he came back I don't think. And Giants weren't risking a 3 year deal on his potential recovery.
They still kept Shep who can't get out of bed in the morning without tearing an ACL, and their "awesome" punter..
LOL - so true
It’s called wanting Gates back for depth and wanting a “real center” to start.
Not that crazy.
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He's our guy and did all that to get back and we let him go to 'effin Washington when we don't have a decent center. Fuck.
We didn’t have one when he was here. All he is at this point is a great story
Like you know. He was better than Feliciano when he was still on IR.
Oh well.
Signed a 3 year $16.5 million contract with Washington (WAS)
Signed a 3 year $16.5 million contract with Washington (WAS)
Wow - that sounds like a massive overpay for him. I don't doubt Schoen wanted him back, but not at anything close to that price.
That's like a Gettleman contract.
I didn’t want him back because I want an upgrade. He was an average C before the injury.
8 mil in the banks. Not bad considering the injuries he has recovered from.
He's not terrible like Price and Halapio but it's obvious the team didn't care too hard to see what he had (last year) and let him go.
Unless the added time and off-season got him better, he wasn’t worth the $4M avg guaranteed for 2 years….and I love the guy.
Wish him well.
I guess it's just nice that we can focus on specific OL spots instead of everywhere - we should have at least 3 (LT, RT and RG) locked down, and 1 other from Bredeson, Lemieux and Ezedu).
Let the hand wringing and talk of lost Canton opportunities begin.
If NG had a good relationship with this braintrust (I certainly don't know) I believe his representation was told we were moving in a different direction.
I thought he looked pretty damn good last year, he just isn't a G.
Good for the Giants, cause now they need to upgrade the hole he left.
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Maybe that can be put to rest. Loved him and his edge but he wasn't the same when he came back I don't think. And Giants weren't risking a 3 year deal on his potential recovery.
They still kept Shep who can't get out of bed in the morning without tearing an ACL, and their "awesome" punter..
Good point on Shep it's a bit of a head scratcher but he still has to make the team.
Is it really a head scratcher? It's a league minimum deal. There is no WR much better than Shep that will come that cheap that you don't have to trade for. It's a value play, and at vet minimum it's a no brainer. If healthy, incredible steal. If not, you lose nothing. And he's not taking a roster spot from anyone right now either.
WR that can play don't grow on trees, you either draft them in round 1 or 2, make a big trade, or hope and pray.
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Signed a 3 year $16.5 million contract with Washington (WAS)
Wow - that sounds like a massive overpay for him. I don't doubt Schoen wanted him back, but not at anything close to that price.
Agree that seems awfully high.
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Signed a 3 year $16.5 million contract with Washington (WAS)
Wow - that sounds like a massive overpay for him. I don't doubt Schoen wanted him back, but not at anything close to that price.
That's like a Gettleman contract.
Agreed. Love Gates, but that is way too much for his services.
agree
Agree 100%. The legend is bigger than the actually story
Anyways, I wish him the best except when he's playing us.
Signed a 3 year $16.5 million contract with Washington (WAS)
That’s a ridiculous contract. There’s the real risk that Gates won’t be able to regain his pre injury form. He sure hadn’t in December.
Either way an upgrade at C is needed
Worst case scenario is Brederson starts - so no real drop off from Gates
This talk that he's better than feliciano ( who isn't good) or he was a top 5 center is rubbish. And I liked him.
He was a depth piece that developed nicely, till he broke, and now he's back to depth
He was better than JF this year by the eye test and grading. If you don’t see it then we can agree to disagree. I think the contract he got from WAS. Confirms he is more the “just a depth piece”.
If the club wants to upgrade or move on that’s fine, but the arm chair GMs saying he was nothing but a back up prove their ignorance with every post.
I think he's better than Glowinski, too.
Oh well. Obviously WAS thought he was pretty good.
The flip side is - if we return the entire interior OL that gets manhandled by DAL and PHI, what are we really doing? We have to be able to physically match up with these guys.
looked badass
worked back from a brutal injury
That being said - he was below average last year and paying someone like him would not move this team forward.
I'll have to find someone else as a sure bet for first fight in camp. Nick was a badass and I will miss him.
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“ Three years, $16.5 million with another $1.5 million for a max value of $18 million for Nick Gates with the #Commanders. Gets $8 million guaranteed.”
Not a bad deal at all for WSH.
I think you have it backwards, not a bad deal for Gates.
Gates was a nice story, and great that he was able to come back at least. He didn't show that much last year especially playing guard, people kind of romanticize about this player.