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What the Hell is Up With the LB Market?

nyjuggernaut2 : 3/13/2023 7:47 pm
Heading into this free agency, the top names at the position appeared to be Tremaine Edmunds, TJ Edwards, Lavonte David, David Long and Germaine Pratt. Edmunds got the money he was expected to receive in the open market, but Edwards, Long and Pratt all signed contracts for way under their "market value". Meanwhile, the Giants give Okereke $10mil per.

I'm not bashing the Giants signing of Okereke, but given the contract they gave him it would appear they ranked him higher than Edwards, Long, and Pratt. If not, then something appears off to me as the Giants would've obviously offered more to those three than the teams they signed for gave them.
Do we actually know what the true numbers for Okereke are?  
BlackLight : 3/13/2023 7:50 pm : link
Since the deals won't be official until Wednesday, I suspect what we're hearing so far are coming from agents, who may be baking incentives into what they're telling the media.
Eh  
BigBlueShock : 3/13/2023 7:50 pm : link
Your opinion of who the better players are or how much money you think they should have gotten is not necessarily the same opinion shared by Wink, Daboll and Schoen
linebackers are very scheme fit dependent  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 7:51 pm : link
so to answer the question i think the NFL values players differently than observers do based on stats at that position more than others.

i do kind of agree though that some of the numbers are a little surprising in how low they are, and id probably preferred to roll the dice on edwards at half the price of okereke as an example. but i dont think very many players are taking less so i think the nyg had a chance to get those guys if they wanted for less than they gave okereke and yet they still chose to pay him. hopefully they are right.
Yup  
Straw Hat : 3/13/2023 7:55 pm : link
Agree with the last few posts. Its very likely schoen valued okereke higher than those others for our particular system.
Okereke is an ascending LB who doesn’t have a  
eric2425ny : 3/13/2023 7:57 pm : link
lot of “starting” mileage on him. He also is an excellent cover backer who can tackle. He has a much different game than some of the others.
Get Jack Campbell in the 3rd round  
Bill in TN : 3/13/2023 7:58 pm : link
and all will be forgiven.
IDK  
Bernie : 3/13/2023 7:59 pm : link
Did Edwards ever stand out when the Giants played the Eagles or David Long when the Giants played the Titans? Not to me. However, Okereke was all over the field when the Giants played the Colts. Small sample size, but I will trust what I saw.
Did you research any of those guys you mentioned  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2023 7:59 pm : link
First of all Lavonte is 33 years old.

The Eagles made no attempt to re-sign TJ Edwards because he is very poor in coverage.

David Long is an undersized LB who doesn’t really fit our scheme.
He is  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2023 8:00 pm : link
The perfect MLB for Wink's scheme. He can run, diagnose, take great angles to the ball and ball carrier, he's physical and aggressive. He's the best of the bunch in regards to coverage and play speed.
Okereke will win all the fans over quickly  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2023 8:01 pm : link
He is easily the best ILB we’ve had since Pierce and he has a chance to be a better player than him.
RE: Okereke will win all the fans over quickly  
eric2425ny : 3/13/2023 8:05 pm : link
In comment 16062616 Jay on the Island said:
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He is easily the best ILB we’ve had since Pierce and he has a chance to be a better player than him.


And the price is very reasonable. Look at Edmunds deal, I know there are more details to examine, but he’s guaranteed twice as much as Okereke and the Bills fans weren’t sad to see him leave.
A Plus signing  
AG5686 : 3/13/2023 8:07 pm : link
This Front Office gets it...
I think people just look at PFF  
mphbullet36 : 3/13/2023 8:08 pm : link
And think players should be paid a accordingly
RE: I think people just look at PFF  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2023 8:11 pm : link
In comment 16062628 mphbullet36 said:
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And think players should be paid a accordingly


pff projected his contract at:

4 yrs — $9.5m avg/yr
$22.75m guaranteed, $38m total

(so basically exactly what the nyg gave him)
Pratt contract  
gameday555 : 3/13/2023 8:12 pm : link
To me was the best LB value of the day. Long is up there, but he does come with more injury concerns than the rest.

The Bobby O contract is a bit much for me at first blush, but not one that is just plainly an overpay like the ones Gettleman handed out. Way too early to make sweeping proclamations one way or the other. If nothing else, I trust Wink to put him in the best role possible.
RE: I think people just look at PFF  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/13/2023 8:16 pm : link
In comment 16062628 mphbullet36 said:
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And think players should be paid a accordingly


Actually a lot of the David Long, Germaine Pratt and TJ Edwards talk came from rumors Giant beat writers and some asshats on here wrote about, including GoDeep13. Most said Giants were interested in all three.
RE: Get Jack Campbell in the 3rd round  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2023 8:19 pm : link
In comment 16062607 Bill in TN said:
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and all will be forgiven.


We would be lucky to get him in round 2.
RE: Eh  
Strahan91 : 3/13/2023 8:21 pm : link
In comment 16062586 BigBlueShock said:
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Your opinion of who the better players are or how much money you think they should have gotten is not necessarily the same opinion shared by Wink, Daboll and Schoen

Not to mention how the rest of the NFL views them
RE: Did you research any of those guys you mentioned  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/13/2023 8:21 pm : link
In comment 16062611 Jay on the Island said:
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First of all Lavonte is 33 years old.

The Eagles made no attempt to re-sign TJ Edwards because he is very poor in coverage.

David Long is an undersized LB who doesn’t really fit our scheme.


No I don’t get paid to research and watch film on these guys. However, I do follow the Giants beat writers and this site closely, and the past week or two Edwards, Pratt and Long have been mentioned multiple times by several people as players the Giants have inquired about, and were interested in.

And I agree with you on Lavonte David, I don’t think the Giants have any interest in signing him, nor would I want them to because of his age. But he is still a top LB in the league.
Rjanyg  
Bill in TN : 3/13/2023 8:23 pm : link
You're probably right.
RE: He is  
islander1 : 3/13/2023 8:38 pm : link
In comment 16062613 Joey in VA said:
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The perfect MLB for Wink's scheme. He can run, diagnose, take great angles to the ball and ball carrier, he's physical and aggressive. He's the best of the bunch in regards to coverage and play speed.


ding ding ding.

RE: He is  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2023 9:52 pm : link
In comment 16062613 Joey in VA said:
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The perfect MLB for Wink's scheme. He can run, diagnose, take great angles to the ball and ball carrier, he's physical and aggressive. He's the best of the bunch in regards to coverage and play speed.


THIS.

From what I can tell, he's the most complete player of the bunch, especially in coverage.
RE: Eh  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/13/2023 10:29 pm : link
In comment 16062586 BigBlueShock said:
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Your opinion of who the better players are or how much money you think they should have gotten is not necessarily the same opinion shared by Wink, Daboll and Schoen

Does this tiresome drivel need to be repeated every fucking time someone merely posts an observation about a free agency market in real time? It's obviously implied that Schoen/Daboll/Martindale have a stronger opinion of Okereke than they do about several other FA LBs. Does that mean that it's off-limits to even discuss the relative value (and potential bargain/overpay) of comparative free agents at the same position?
Isn't it a good thing  
Cenotaph : 3/13/2023 10:45 pm : link
that the beat writers can't easily guess wo we wanted? I think it's obvious we were going for a LB, and I was surprised a few of those guys ended up cheaper than expected - but the Okreke contract seems fine to me and I'm just excited to finally watch a solid LB for the 1st time in 10? years?

Fans are generally a bit better informed now about available guys in FA; but few (including the beat guys) really consider scheme fits etc, beyond 'this guy has a connections to X coach/player'. Sometimes the amount of info out there is overload and we overanalyze. Back in 2005, it would have been a unanimous 'Yes! We needed a LB and got one!'

Funny, in '05 our big signings were ILB, WR and RT. I think our big adds this year may be similar, though we have more draft capital to fill those. Fill ILB, WR in draft, C in draft/FA - and bring back or replace Love - and I think we have a solid base for next year.
Also  
Cenotaph : 3/13/2023 10:49 pm : link
We dont always know what goes into these decisions - I read TJ Edwards had a Chi connection and maybe took less to go there, who knows? Though I'm glad we didn't go for the Edmunds contract as good as he is - and is Chi trying to rebuild the '85 D front seven w/2 big money ILBs? Pretty uncommon in modern game to spend big on 2 ILBs.
Market value?  
Milton : 3/13/2023 10:54 pm : link
They all got their market value. That's what it means. I think what you meant to say was that some other names got less than what you and the pundits thought (which is very different than their market value).
p.s.--I get that you put "market value" in quotes, but that doesn't change its definition.
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