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Has your mind changed about trading for Jeudy?

Big Blue '56 : 3/14/2023 10:10 am
Last year, some were in, others not. Thoughts on this time around?
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Since they HAVE to add receiving talent  
Dave on the UWS : 3/14/2023 11:24 am : link
the PROPER question to ask: " is there ANY receivers in the draft, who will be 2nd round selections, who projects to be better than Jeudy?".
If the answer is NO, than you offer the 2nd rounder. If yes, you try to grab that guy.
No  
WillVAB : 3/14/2023 11:26 am : link
There will be plenty of options in the draft.

Amazing how so many people are ready to throw picks and money away on a marginal talent right after the Golloday fiasco.
I actually think the argument  
AcesUp : 3/14/2023 11:26 am : link
For trading a pick for a Jeudy is the mediocre WR draft class and awful UFA class.

This draft class is lacking in WRs like Jeudy too. Most of them are kind of limited. A healthy dose of smaller slot only guys or smaller slots with outside potential. Then you're straightline guys, big bodied possession types or just flat our raw dice rolls. You don't see any of these 6ft 200lb route separators with decent speed that the draft seemed to be churning out with regularity recently.

A 2 is a lot different than a 3 though. You can easily recoup a 3 with a trade down, comp pick or flipping a vet. 2s are much harder to come by and those guys are much more likely to contribute early.
RE: No  
Big Blue '56 : 3/14/2023 11:28 am : link
In comment 16063163 WillVAB said:
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There will be plenty of options in the draft.

Amazing how so many people are ready to throw picks and money away on a marginal talent right after the Golloday fiasco.


You believe Jeudy is a marginal talent?
RE: Probably not  
Gmen88 : 3/14/2023 11:38 am : link
In comment 16063126 Spiciest Memelord said:
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hate to do it but credit Roseman for getting AJ Brown, a relatively unknown sneaky good find. I'd rather not trade for a known "name" as that comes with a premium.


AJ Brown was very well known.
RE: RE: No  
knowledgetimmons : 3/14/2023 11:44 am : link
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There will be plenty of options in the draft.

Amazing how so many people are ready to throw picks and money away on a marginal talent right after the Golloday fiasco.



You believe Jeudy is a marginal talent?


I agree Jeudy is marginal. His catch percentage is worse than evan engram. That's an alarming stat. I'd hate that we sent a 2nd round pick for a one year rental on this guy.
RE: I’d go as high as a second rounder  
Payasdaddy : 3/14/2023 11:52 am : link
In comment 16063021 eric2425ny said:
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If Denver throws in a 4, will give them a #2
RE: RE: RE: If the cost is 3+5, I'm in  
djm : 3/14/2023 12:03 pm : link
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I hate trading #2's, those picks are gold most years.



I'm close to this same feeling. I love 2nd round picks but also think Jeudy could be a steal or blossom in the right system/setting. Not sure we can get him for less than the 2nd, so I am torn. I reserve the right to change my mind if and when.



Make up your mind now, or get off this thread….:)


Fine...I am in! I think i'd do it for the 2nd.

Even if we only get one year of cost controlled service I think that's a big plus. You get a year (or even 2) before you have to commit big long term bucks. The only thing worse than trading a 2nd for a mistake is paying that mistake. At least we'd have good data to go on.

HE was a very high pick and hasn't exactly failed at the NFL level. I guess I would say if Schoen and Daboll love him, then he's worth the 2nd.
Guy has had a really poor catch %  
widmerseyebrow : 3/14/2023 12:15 pm : link
He's not a top 15 pick anymore, he's a guy that has several years of tape now and is due to be paid soon.
Jeudy's performance limits what he'll bring in trade.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/14/2023 12:29 pm : link
Denver would argue "Look at his last few games" and the Giants would argue "Look at his whole career" and Denver would say "Come on, you like him or we wouldn't be talking at all." And so on.

Given that the Giants are on track to have a lot of cap space in 2024, there's the option of a 2024 second-rounder instead of a 2023 second-rounder. That's considered the equivalent of a 2023 third-rounder (right?). And the Giants need their early picks this year, where next year they will be able to spend in free agency to make up for the loss of a second-rounder.
Arguing about career vs last 5 games  
jestersdead : 3/14/2023 12:57 pm : link
Weren't ppl on BBI using that for Jones and why he should be resigned? Why is ok to use for one player but not another? Does Jerry make the offense better, yes. You can even argue that the Denver QBs he has played with were/are worse than Jones and with Jones throwing to you, it would lead to a more productive season.

Can you find a WR is the 2nd or 3rd that will produce right away, maybe? But there is also the NFL learning curve to go through.

That being said, I'd trade a 2nd round pick for him and definitely would do a 3rd and 4th in 2024
RE: Absolutely worth a 2  
bw in dc : 3/14/2023 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16063040 CornerStone246+17 said:
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This team is starving for WRs and NYG are now 4 years in on failing to get Jones anything of strong value at the position.

After starting off the 2022 season relatively slowly, Jeudy exploded in the final six games , totaling 37 receptions for 523 yards and three touchdowns. He finished his third year with 67 receptions for 972 yards and six TDs all of which led Denver's receiving corps.

In an offense that was severely stunted by system maybe even moreso than Garrett, Jeudy's finish to the season was a strong sign of just how good a talent he is.

He is 23 years old and you can get him for a cheap contract along with a 5th year option next year.

He absolutely is worth a 2. If NYG somehow gets him for less, that's a major coup. However you have to give up something to get something.

No doubt our 2nd round pick could net us a WR too but it's no sure bet and it also comes with a learning curve.

If we want to maximize the chances the passing game finally takes off next year an established highly talented vet WR is the best path to go.

Close the deal and get this done.


Very good post.

The hit rate for a second-rate pick is about 70%, which means you are getting a player who starts and contributes. It's subjective at that point what contribution actually means.

With Jeudy, you know you are getting a player who has already played well in the NFL, and he appears on the upswing. That's a 100%. Furthermore, he has assets we need on the outside - good speed, the ability to get vertical and YAC.

The "problem" is Jeudy is that tweener between WR1/WR2. Not a true WR1 - yet. So, if you want the guaranteed WR1, Jeudy still has more to prove. But if you think his trajectory is taking him to WR1 land, I think he's probably worth the stretch of a second-round pick.
RE: RE: RE: No  
Section331 : 3/14/2023 3:04 pm : link
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There will be plenty of options in the draft.

Amazing how so many people are ready to throw picks and money away on a marginal talent right after the Golloday fiasco.



You believe Jeudy is a marginal talent?



I agree Jeudy is marginal. His catch percentage is worse than evan engram. That's an alarming stat. I'd hate that we sent a 2nd round pick for a one year rental on this guy.


Who were his QB’s? It’s hard to have a high catch % with Drew Lock throwing to you. Allstarjim and I had this discussion on another thread, catch % can be a misleading stat, as so much involves the guy throwing to you. What makes it valuable is comparing it to his WR teammates, and Jeudy was 2nd among Den WR’s, and the guy ahead of him had 1/3rd the targets.

Jeudy isn’t going to wow anyone with his speed, but he isn’t Laquon Treadwell out there, and he is an elite route runner.
RE: Guy has had a really poor catch %  
Section331 : 3/14/2023 3:09 pm : link
In comment 16063230 widmerseyebrow said:
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He's not a top 15 pick anymore, he's a guy that has several years of tape now and is due to be paid soon.


Fact: he has a 68% catch ratio with mostly dog poop at QB. His depth of target is tops on the team. Courtland Sutton’s catch % is 10 pts lower.
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knowledgetimmons : 3/14/2023 11:29 pm : link
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There will be plenty of options in the draft.

Amazing how so many people are ready to throw picks and money away on a marginal talent right after the Golloday fiasco.



You believe Jeudy is a marginal talent?



I agree Jeudy is marginal. His catch percentage is worse than evan engram. That's an alarming stat. I'd hate that we sent a 2nd round pick for a one year rental on this guy.



Who were his QB’s? It’s hard to have a high catch % with Drew Lock throwing to you. Allstarjim and I had this discussion on another thread, catch % can be a misleading stat, as so much involves the guy throwing to you. What makes it valuable is comparing it to his WR teammates, and Jeudy was 2nd among Den WR’s, and the guy ahead of him had 1/3rd the targets.

Jeudy isn’t going to wow anyone with his speed, but he isn’t Laquon Treadwell out there, and he is an elite route runner.


Yep, saw that argument and now agree it’s a pretty bad stat to use in a vacuum. It’s still relevant, but do you think Jones can elevate him?
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