Is it me or was Darius Slayton the Giants best receiver last year. Granted, he dropped a few balls , but he’s fast , tall and gets a separation. I also believe he gets no respect but I’m for resigning him if the price is right.
I agree with paul dotino on this... those 3 drops in the playoffs and has % of drops based on less than 50 catches over the course of the season is enough to let him go. apparently this coaching staff is not into the drops
here's a quote from schoen in the video the nyg put out.
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"just to keep in mind, obviously receiver we're pretty thin there, you guys know from being around here this year the smart, tough, dependable will ring true through all positions but specifically at that position the versatility to play multiple spots will be important you have to be smart to play in our offense to do what we want to do you have to be able to move the guys around and they have to be able to learn so we did a great job in last year's draft i mean every single draft pick is our type of guy, coaching staff was very complimentary of who they are as people in the building and what we want from a culture standpoint so that was good"
nobody in the nfl has dropped balls more frequently than slayton - including what could have been the biggest drop of the year for the whole team against minnesota on that 3rd down. that is the opposite of dependable so while this year lacks good options at WR i think he's down the list of their priorities at the position.
It's not just he drops balls it's when he drops them
Is not a great resume. Other teams must be concerned that with all of the Giants issues at WR we are not resigning him. He’s a low end option. If he’s your #1 or 2 you’re not very good. He good as a 3, 4 or 5 but what are you paying that guy. Most likely a 4? That’s a vet minimum or just over that.
Slayton was the only guy who was a threat to go deep
Is it me or was Darius Slayton the Giants best receiver last year. Granted, he dropped a few balls , but he’s fast , tall and gets a separation. I also believe he gets no respect but I’m for resigning him if the price is right.
I agree with you. When he was drafted, the knock on him was that he has too many drops. If a star receiver has a drop, fans just go, "well that happens to everyone", but not with Slayton. Just like Danny Jones turnovers. Every turnover is HUGE, but never mind that Josh Allen threw 17 interceptions, Dak Prescott threw 17, Burrow 14, Rogers 12, Mahommes 12, etc. DJ threw 6, and everyone of them caused panic among the fan base. DJ was the third most sacked QB, yet had one of the lowest turnover rates of any QB. When there is a preconception, it sticks in people's heads and it's a really big deal when that preconception is verified. That brings us back to Slayton. if he has one drop, that's all the fans see and it confirms their predetermined opinion of him. But take a look at who had more drops than Slayton last season:
1t J. Chase Cin 7
1t G. Davis Buf 7
1t G. Everett LAC 7
1t T. Higbee LAR 7
1t Z. Jones Jax 7
1t T. Kelce KC 7
7t S. Barkley NYG 6
7t A. Cooper Cle 6
7t S. Diggs Buf 6
7t R. Doubs GB 6
7t A. Ekeler LAC 6
7t D. Johnson Pit 6
7t C. Kirk Jax 6
7t A. Lazard GB 6
7t M. Valdes-Scantling KC 6
7t J. Waddle Mia 6
It actually broke my heart to see Slayton cry after dropping that pass to end the game at Minnesota. He knows what fans think and what they are saying. I particularly loved the fact that Daboll consoled him and told him to shake it off and not worry about it. Daboll has said, no matter how hard you try, there will be interceptions and there will be drops. It happens to the best of players.
He is a terrible route runner and does not come back to his quarterback when under pressure. A REALLY overrated WR imo. He stands out in a poor talent group. Don't just look at stats or the fact that he has speed. Most plays are not deep balls or Wheel routes. If you attended games you saw him over and over not competing for challenged balls, cutting routes short and not helping DJ when under pressure. I have nothing against this kid but on a team with wr talent he would be a #3 at the very best, if not a #4.
WR statistically from Week 5 thru 13 - that's 9 weeks of the season. And he has to be commended for not bitching when he was buried at the bottom of the WR depth chart to start last season but worked his way on to the field to become an important part of the offense. He has his weaknesses for sure, his big dropped pass was evidence of a disturbing trend, and he may want too much $ for what the Giants need from the WR position because he's certainly not a #1 WR, but he ain't no slouch. He's been an NFL WR with decent production in four seasons with the same amount of head coaching changes and changes to O Coordinators as Daniel Jones.
I added this to the Sutton thread before it was deleted.
The reason Sutton is a ~100+ target guy and Slayton is a ~75+ target guy isn't all because of markedly fewer drops or markedly higher catch rate.
Both guys are in the same band. Both have a lower catch rate (DS 55%, CS 57%) and higher drop rate (DS 7% , CS 6%) than you'd want.
I think the bigger problem (not the only problem) for Slayton is his dependability running routes and being in the right place. From what I've read and observed Slayton seems like he lives on two routes, the 7 and 9.
Very similar dependability, one just demands more touches.
was our best receiver. Led the NYG receiving group in Targets, Yds, Avg, 20+ yard receptions, First downs, and YAC. Two fumbles are not great however, 26 other NFL wide receivers had 2 or more. His 15.7-yard average was 7th in the league. Link - ( New Window )
Is it me or was Darius Slayton the Giants best receiver last year. Granted, he dropped a few balls , but he’s fast , tall and gets a separation. I also believe he gets no respect but I’m for resigning him if the price is right.
I agree with you. When he was drafted, the knock on him was that he has too many drops. If a star receiver has a drop, fans just go, "well that happens to everyone", but not with Slayton. Just like Danny Jones turnovers. Every turnover is HUGE, but never mind that Josh Allen threw 17 interceptions, Dak Prescott threw 17, Burrow 14, Rogers 12, Mahommes 12, etc. DJ threw 6, and everyone of them caused panic among the fan base. DJ was the third most sacked QB, yet had one of the lowest turnover rates of any QB. When there is a preconception, it sticks in people's heads and it's a really big deal when that preconception is verified. That brings us back to Slayton. if he has one drop, that's all the fans see and it confirms their predetermined opinion of him. But take a look at who had more drops than Slayton last season:
1t J. Chase Cin 7
1t G. Davis Buf 7
1t G. Everett LAC 7
1t T. Higbee LAR 7
1t Z. Jones Jax 7
1t T. Kelce KC 7
7t S. Barkley NYG 6
7t A. Cooper Cle 6
7t S. Diggs Buf 6
7t R. Doubs GB 6
7t A. Ekeler LAC 6
7t D. Johnson Pit 6
7t C. Kirk Jax 6
7t A. Lazard GB 6
7t M. Valdes-Scantling KC 6
7t J. Waddle Mia 6
It actually broke my heart to see Slayton cry after dropping that pass to end the game at Minnesota. He knows what fans think and what they are saying. I particularly loved the fact that Daboll consoled him and told him to shake it off and not worry about it. Daboll has said, no matter how hard you try, there will be interceptions and there will be drops. It happens to the best of players.
Not to mention just about everyone's favorite receiver in the draft, Johnston, had a 12+ percent drop rate last year.
In comment 16063264 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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He does tend to drop balls at the most crucial moment.
Whose 4th WR has 750+ yds a year? people say stupid shit. Most teams are lucky if their 2 has 750 yds a year. Barkley had more drops than slayton did. People spooging themselves over meyers, whose ydg last year, in fact over his 4 year career is almost identical to slayton. people jerking themselves off saying slayton is a 4. Same people said engram can't play football. OK.
Slayton's fast, and a good person. That's about it. There's a reason he was buried on the depth chart.
He can't beat press coverage or physical play, and he's error prone. He actually gets blown around like a piece of paper on the field, he has seemingly no body mass. And he's a poor route runner, because he gets knocked off his spot so easily.
Remember Daboll talking about WRs who were out of position a lot, affecting DJ's play.
In comment 16063264 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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He does tend to drop balls at the most crucial moment.
Whose 4th WR has 750+ yds a year? people say stupid shit. Most teams are lucky if their 2 has 750 yds a year. Barkley had more drops than slayton did. People spooging themselves over meyers, whose ydg last year, in fact over his 4 year career is almost identical to slayton. people jerking themselves off saying slayton is a 4. Same people said engram can't play football. OK.
If your 4th WR is pressed into longterm starting duty, he's going to put up some yards. The ball has to go somewhere. As a #4, you have to be solid on special teams and Slayton doesn't play them.
Decent separation, but his drops kill you. He seems to drop the most important passes too, which means he tightens up. That also is not good. I am a lot bigger fan of him then most Gere. But adding Jeudy is vital for Jones and this offense. They need to help Jones.
Good posts. It's the errors that are killers, drops, wrong route reads, poor routes, etc. I don't know exactly how many different routes they actually call for him, but don't think it's very many.
I don’t care if the Giants sign Slayton or not but one thing I noticed
About him is that he is very good at fighting for the ball. He is open a lot but drops a lot of balls in key situations. Too bad and probably not fixable.
is your best option, that is how he gets 750 yards. People need to stop with the statistics for their justification that he is a #2. Stats tell very little of the story. How many targets? If you throw the ball to him 8 times a game, that is 136 targets and if only 45 are caught, that sux. Plus Slaytons poor route running and cutting them short causes incompleteness and interceptions. Slayton is not a #2 and at best, a borderline #3.
Slayton is our best deep threat without a doubt. He’s just inconsistent and unreliable. His drops seem to come at bad times. If Slayton had better hands and route running he would be a #1 but because he’s doesn’t have either he’s a 3rd or Solid 4. I’d take Hodgins over Slayton any day because he can be depended on to do what he does all the time.
Slayton does have big play ability I give him that…so when you look at his stats it gives the illusion that he’s slightly better than he is. A team like ours you can’t trust him IMO he seems like a good dude and has talent but the drops are remote throwers.
nobody in the nfl has dropped balls more frequently than slayton - including what could have been the biggest drop of the year for the whole team against minnesota on that 3rd down. that is the opposite of dependable so while this year lacks good options at WR i think he's down the list of their priorities at the position.
I think about the Parcells rating system. If you make an exception you end up with a team of exceptions.
They can do better.
Slayton also mostly manages to stay on the field. But no argument he's depth at best
They forced him to take a paycut to stay on the team. And then they buried him on the depth chart, only activating him because of injury.
I'm guessing they don't think that highly of him.
I agree with you. When he was drafted, the knock on him was that he has too many drops. If a star receiver has a drop, fans just go, "well that happens to everyone", but not with Slayton. Just like Danny Jones turnovers. Every turnover is HUGE, but never mind that Josh Allen threw 17 interceptions, Dak Prescott threw 17, Burrow 14, Rogers 12, Mahommes 12, etc. DJ threw 6, and everyone of them caused panic among the fan base. DJ was the third most sacked QB, yet had one of the lowest turnover rates of any QB. When there is a preconception, it sticks in people's heads and it's a really big deal when that preconception is verified. That brings us back to Slayton. if he has one drop, that's all the fans see and it confirms their predetermined opinion of him. But take a look at who had more drops than Slayton last season:
1t J. Chase Cin 7
1t G. Davis Buf 7
1t G. Everett LAC 7
1t T. Higbee LAR 7
1t Z. Jones Jax 7
1t T. Kelce KC 7
7t S. Barkley NYG 6
7t A. Cooper Cle 6
7t S. Diggs Buf 6
7t R. Doubs GB 6
7t A. Ekeler LAC 6
7t D. Johnson Pit 6
7t C. Kirk Jax 6
7t A. Lazard GB 6
7t M. Valdes-Scantling KC 6
7t J. Waddle Mia 6
It actually broke my heart to see Slayton cry after dropping that pass to end the game at Minnesota. He knows what fans think and what they are saying. I particularly loved the fact that Daboll consoled him and told him to shake it off and not worry about it. Daboll has said, no matter how hard you try, there will be interceptions and there will be drops. It happens to the best of players.
The reason Sutton is a ~100+ target guy and Slayton is a ~75+ target guy isn't all because of markedly fewer drops or markedly higher catch rate.
Both guys are in the same band. Both have a lower catch rate (DS 55%, CS 57%) and higher drop rate (DS 7% , CS 6%) than you'd want.
I think the bigger problem (not the only problem) for Slayton is his dependability running routes and being in the right place. From what I've read and observed Slayton seems like he lives on two routes, the 7 and 9.
Very similar dependability, one just demands more touches.
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Is it me or was Darius Slayton the Giants best receiver last year. Granted, he dropped a few balls , but he’s fast , tall and gets a separation. I also believe he gets no respect but I’m for resigning him if the price is right.
I agree with you. When he was drafted, the knock on him was that he has too many drops. If a star receiver has a drop, fans just go, "well that happens to everyone", but not with Slayton. Just like Danny Jones turnovers. Every turnover is HUGE, but never mind that Josh Allen threw 17 interceptions, Dak Prescott threw 17, Burrow 14, Rogers 12, Mahommes 12, etc. DJ threw 6, and everyone of them caused panic among the fan base. DJ was the third most sacked QB, yet had one of the lowest turnover rates of any QB. When there is a preconception, it sticks in people's heads and it's a really big deal when that preconception is verified. That brings us back to Slayton. if he has one drop, that's all the fans see and it confirms their predetermined opinion of him. But take a look at who had more drops than Slayton last season:
1t J. Chase Cin 7
1t G. Davis Buf 7
1t G. Everett LAC 7
1t T. Higbee LAR 7
1t Z. Jones Jax 7
1t T. Kelce KC 7
7t S. Barkley NYG 6
7t A. Cooper Cle 6
7t S. Diggs Buf 6
7t R. Doubs GB 6
7t A. Ekeler LAC 6
7t D. Johnson Pit 6
7t C. Kirk Jax 6
7t A. Lazard GB 6
7t M. Valdes-Scantling KC 6
7t J. Waddle Mia 6
It actually broke my heart to see Slayton cry after dropping that pass to end the game at Minnesota. He knows what fans think and what they are saying. I particularly loved the fact that Daboll consoled him and told him to shake it off and not worry about it. Daboll has said, no matter how hard you try, there will be interceptions and there will be drops. It happens to the best of players.
Not to mention just about everyone's favorite receiver in the draft, Johnston, had a 12+ percent drop rate last year.
Slayton's fast, and a good person. That's about it. There's a reason he was buried on the depth chart.
He can't beat press coverage or physical play, and he's error prone. He actually gets blown around like a piece of paper on the field, he has seemingly no body mass. And he's a poor route runner, because he gets knocked off his spot so easily.
Remember Daboll talking about WRs who were out of position a lot, affecting DJ's play.
Quote:
He does tend to drop balls at the most crucial moment.
Whose 4th WR has 750+ yds a year? people say stupid shit. Most teams are lucky if their 2 has 750 yds a year. Barkley had more drops than slayton did. People spooging themselves over meyers, whose ydg last year, in fact over his 4 year career is almost identical to slayton. people jerking themselves off saying slayton is a 4. Same people said engram can't play football. OK.
If your 4th WR is pressed into longterm starting duty, he's going to put up some yards. The ball has to go somewhere. As a #4, you have to be solid on special teams and Slayton doesn't play them.
Slayton does have big play ability I give him that…so when you look at his stats it gives the illusion that he’s slightly better than he is. A team like ours you can’t trust him IMO he seems like a good dude and has talent but the drops are remote throwers.