This might be one decision I disagree with but I’m not the one holding the blueprints.
I don’t know much about Waller’s personality in the room or his intelligence.
I know Toney was a disaster and I would have rid him out of the room, and I was happy we got a 3rd round pick to move forward with another young player.
But we just signed a 31 year old who has has not really played consistently for 2 years and last year he had hamstrings issues. There are some comments out there on the interwebs that some fans questioned if he was even really hurt.
I’m happy that we can at least get out of the contract that if it goes bad but I think I would have kept the pick. I was personally hoping that we could package our 3rds and get back into the second for another young prospect,
As a fan I hope things works out and I hope this risk works out. This does send a stronger message than I expected about competing this year.
It’s a 3rd rounder, if it doesn’t work out it doesn’t work out. But it has a better likelihood of working out than whoever we would be taking with the pick. There almost no risk here.
On the grand scheme of things, I agree . I am ok with the risk/reward. I’m just going to dip my toes into the excitement pool on this one.
About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
I am not worried about that. Assuming Dexter Lawrence gets a new contract, if Waller has a great year and opts out, we can just tag him at a very reasonable price.
About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
I am not worried about that. Assuming Dexter Lawrence gets a new contract, if Waller has a great year and opts out, we can just tag him at a very reasonable price.
Are we sure he can opt out? I know NY can cut him with no consequences, but I’m not aware he can opt out as well.
RE: Pardon me for asking, but is Waller currently healthy?
Or is he still injured and rehabbing?
If he is still injured, what is the most reasonable, untruthful prediction about when he will be ready to start practicing and when he will be ready to play.
He’s healthy. He returned for the last four games of the season
About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
I am not worried about that. Assuming Dexter Lawrence gets a new contract, if Waller has a great year and opts out, we can just tag him at a very reasonable price.
Are we sure he can opt out? I know NY can cut him with no consequences, but I’m not aware he can opt out as well.
I don’t know where this came from. There’s no mention anywhere of him being able to opt out.
This might be one decision I disagree with but I’m not the one holding the blueprints.
I don’t know much about Waller’s personality in the room or his intelligence.
I know Toney was a disaster and I would have rid him out of the room, and I was happy we got a 3rd round pick to move forward with another young player.
But we just signed a 31 year old who has has not really played consistently for 2 years and last year he had hamstrings issues. There are some comments out there on the interwebs that some fans questioned if he was even really hurt.
I’m happy that we can at least get out of the contract that if it goes bad but I think I would have kept the pick. I was personally hoping that we could package our 3rds and get back into the second for another young prospect,
As a fan I hope things works out and I hope this risk works out. This does send a stronger message than I expected about competing this year.
That's all fair.
Waller is easy to root for because of his struggles with addiction. He's been through some serious darkness in his life and has managed to come out the other side still in one piece and with a new perspective. And I admire his honestly in sharing his journey.
About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
I am not worried about that. Assuming Dexter Lawrence gets a new contract, if Waller has a great year and opts out, we can just tag him at a very reasonable price.
Are we sure he can opt out? I know NY can cut him with no consequences, but I’m not aware he can opt out as well.
I don’t know where this came from. There’s no mention anywhere of him being able to opt out.
Color me confused too. I see no opt-outs in his contract anywhere
it's fair to call this a risk - same as a hopkins or sutton trade
but same as those guys the risk is hedged against disaster because he doesn't have much guaranteed money. if you are giving lazard or obj 20m+ guaranteed that extra $10m+ dead money risk is riskier than giving up a pick.
last year they drafted bellinger and belton right around pick #100 and as much as they flashed they are probably replacement level players. giving up picks like that arent the end of the world, and for the upside of a real impact player it's worth it. and you can certainly buy a handful of replacement level vets for the dead money you save by not giving out a UFA deal.
the question im bouncing back and forth on is whether it would have been better to get hockenson at the deadline. i think waller is the better player but obviously carries a lot more mileage/injury risk.
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About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
I am not worried about that. Assuming Dexter Lawrence gets a new contract, if Waller has a great year and opts out, we can just tag him at a very reasonable price.
Are we sure he can opt out? I know NY can cut him with no consequences, but I’m not aware he can opt out as well.
I don’t know where this came from. There’s no mention anywhere of him being able to opt out.
Color me confused too. I see no opt-outs in his contract anywhere
Again. It’s mentioned in the linked article. Whether it’s true or not is a different story. As already mentioned by others, there is really nothing to worry about either. Darren Walker article - ( New Window )
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Again. It’s mentioned in the linked article. Whether it’s true or not is a different story. As already mentioned by others, there is really nothing to worry about either. Darren Walker article - ( New Window )
The Giants can get out after this year with no dead money which is the opt out referenced. The author likely saw on sportrac that after this year there’s a “potential out” which is just how the site displays when a team can cut a player with little dead money for cap savings.
About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
Not saying this isn't true, but where does it say he has an opt out? Even if he does, he's very well compensated and at his age any potential divorce from the Giants in 2024 would be from the team. No way he's opting out and testing free agency at 32 when he has a very good deal already.
No one's talking about it because it's a non issue.
Here is the reference to the opt out. Whether it’s true is a different story.. Darren Waller article - ( New Window )
Lol fox news. Dumb ass writer is probably confusing the fact that he has no guarantees after 23, hence they can "opt out" of the deal and release him with no cap hit.
Be careful what you parrot, and always consider the source.
About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
Not saying this isn't true, but where does it say he has an opt out? Even if he does, he's very well compensated and at his age any potential divorce from the Giants in 2024 would be from the team. No way he's opting out and testing free agency at 32 when he has a very good deal already.
No one's talking about it because it's a non issue.
Here is the reference to the opt out. Whether it’s true is a different story.. Darren Waller article - ( New Window )
Don't think it's a player opt out. Pretty sure the Giants can opt out after this year without any dead money.
About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
Not saying this isn't true, but where does it say he has an opt out? Even if he does, he's very well compensated and at his age any potential divorce from the Giants in 2024 would be from the team. No way he's opting out and testing free agency at 32 when he has a very good deal already.
No one's talking about it because it's a non issue.
Here is the reference to the opt out. Whether it’s true is a different story.. Darren Waller article - ( New Window )
Don't think it's a player opt out. Pretty sure the Giants can opt out after this year without any dead money.
Yes that’s correct they can just cut him with no dead money. It’s not really a “clause” like the article suggests it’s just how it’s structured. As has been mentioned here they could try to restructure it to lower his cap hit this year.
but same as those guys the risk is hedged against disaster because he doesn't have much guaranteed money. if you are giving lazard or obj 20m+ guaranteed that extra $10m+ dead money risk is riskier than giving up a pick.
last year they drafted bellinger and belton right around pick #100 and as much as they flashed they are probably replacement level players. giving up picks like that arent the end of the world, and for the upside of a real impact player it's worth it. and you can certainly buy a handful of replacement level vets for the dead money you save by not giving out a UFA deal.
the question im bouncing back and forth on is whether it would have been better to get hockenson at the deadline. i think waller is the better player but obviously carries a lot more mileage/injury risk.
With his 11M cap hit (which may or may not be lowered) and a bit highr injury risk , I really think this pushes us towards a younger receiver still on a rookie contract.
Jeudy, Pittman Jr, Aiyuk etc. Jeudy has this year and a 5th year option so he may be most ideal. Aiyuk too but he probably costs a #1.
RE: it's fair to call this a risk - same as a hopkins or sutton trade
but same as those guys the risk is hedged against disaster because he doesn't have much guaranteed money. if you are giving lazard or obj 20m+ guaranteed that extra $10m+ dead money risk is riskier than giving up a pick.
last year they drafted bellinger and belton right around pick #100 and as much as they flashed they are probably replacement level players. giving up picks like that arent the end of the world, and for the upside of a real impact player it's worth it. and you can certainly buy a handful of replacement level vets for the dead money you save by not giving out a UFA deal.
the question im bouncing back and forth on is whether it would have been better to get hockenson at the deadline. i think waller is the better player but obviously carries a lot more mileage/injury risk.
I disagree on Bellinger. I think he could be at least a mid-level TE in this league. He already showed signs of being really good as a rookie and that position is hard to learn right away at the NFL level.
Waller is on what is effectively a year-to-year deal so the Giants can cut him loose if he doesn't work out. Glad we didn't go for Lazard and give a #3 WR $22 million guaranteed. I would probably pass on OBJ too because of the injury history, not because of his attitude. I don't care that OBJ isn't a Boy Scout, but I do care about that left knee being reconstructed twice
im not saying that doesnt have value, i like bellinger. he can be a quality tight end. i dont think he'll ever be a guy that keeps another team awake the night before the game. most 3rd/4th round picks aren't, which is why i dont mind trading them for a player like waller who does when the opportunity fits.
but same as those guys the risk is hedged against disaster because he doesn't have much guaranteed money. if you are giving lazard or obj 20m+ guaranteed that extra $10m+ dead money risk is riskier than giving up a pick.
last year they drafted bellinger and belton right around pick #100 and as much as they flashed they are probably replacement level players. giving up picks like that arent the end of the world, and for the upside of a real impact player it's worth it. and you can certainly buy a handful of replacement level vets for the dead money you save by not giving out a UFA deal.
the question im bouncing back and forth on is whether it would have been better to get hockenson at the deadline. i think waller is the better player but obviously carries a lot more mileage/injury risk.
I disagree on Bellinger. I think he could be at least a mid-level TE in this league. He already showed signs of being really good as a rookie and that position is hard to learn right away at the NFL level.
Waller is on what is effectively a year-to-year deal so the Giants can cut him loose if he doesn't work out. Glad we didn't go for Lazard and give a #3 WR $22 million guaranteed. I would probably pass on OBJ too because of the injury history, not because of his attitude. I don't care that OBJ isn't a Boy Scout, but I do care about that left knee being reconstructed twice
I like Bellinger. He may have a bit more upside to him. But if u can improve position, u do it. Waller a match up nitemare. Almost shockey like if healthy. They will both be on the field quiet a bit since I bet Waller split out 1/2 the time.
Call Waller a TE or Call him a WR, He's an alpha receiver
His RAS score as a TE is 9.85. But since he's not really an inline TE and serves more a WR, his RAS score as a WR is 8.86. His 40 was 4.46. A 6'6 guy with 4.46 speed is dang fast and he's got hands and separation abilities. Where do you suppose you would draft a WR with that size and speed? That sounds like a top-10 player in the draft to me! And we got him for a late 3rd rounder because he's got injury concerns. If he had no injury concerns, do you really think we could get him for a 3rd rounder? This was a steal and Daniel Jones will be thrilled to have him.
Waller has four years and $52.5 million remaining on his contract. His $11 million salary this year is the only guarantee the Giants inherit. Waller will count $12.4 million on the Giants’ cap, per OverTheCap.com. The Giants do have the ability to convert Waller’s base salary to signing bonus, spreading out the cap hit over those remaining four years, if they wish to create more cap space for this year.
listed already.
Not sure I get that it lists Waller as getting a $1.275 mill roster bonus per game - that just is not correct. Is he getting 1/17 of $1.275 mill per game - is that the total he can earn in the season?
It’s hit/miss. If he stays healthy, great weapon for DJ.
Hes 31+. Played 9 games last year, 11 the one before. We’ll see how he fares. But healthy? No question I like it.
The health concerns are baked into the cost to acquire him though. If he had no health concerns, you probably have to give up a first. A classic buy low.
It’s hit/miss. If he stays healthy, great weapon for DJ.
Hes 31+. Played 9 games last year, 11 the one before. We’ll see how he fares. But healthy? No question I like it.
The health concerns are baked into the cost to acquire him though. If he had no health concerns, you probably have to give up a first. A classic buy low.
About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
If he opts out for a better contract, we should get a comp pick - maybe a 3rd round comp pick.
good day for the Giants. If Waller is healthy he will be a huge
About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
If he opts out for a better contract, we should get a comp pick - maybe a 3rd round comp pick.
He cannot opt out. The Giants can cut him with little impact, but he cannot just walk away.
asset for the offense. Dust off that old Giants TE seam play!
Sy' likes it, says huge for this offense, compares Waller to....EE in terms of skill set, e.g., Giants are not getting him for his in-line blocking role, but cites 'sure hands' !! Will be extra interesting to see where JS/BB and Kafka want to go from here in the receiver group.
What happened to him the last few years? It's not like Carr isn't a good passer. I've followed Waller closely for the past 3 years as I've had him on my keeper team in fantasy.
He went from a bonafide TE1 to a JAG. Someone who's targets went down drastically and who caught a lower % of passes he was thrown. Even when healthy he's been a shell of himself. Why?
This trade isn't without risk, but I certainly understand and like the move. If we can figure out what happened, we have a real threat in the passing game. Big body, long arms, good routes.
i like this trade but wouldn't expect massive numbers from Waller.
To me, this is a low risk move to get another weapon in the offense to provide Jones some help over the middle. High upside player who doesn't cost much, and if he continues to get dinged up, they can move along.
Problem last few years with Waller has been nagging injuries.....
He’ll be 31 this year also, but hey Travis Kelce is 33 and so you can still be a huge target in the passing game at his age, which to me is not a big deal. Keeping him on the field is and probably the primary reason for his drop off in production too. I like the move and time will tell how it works, of course, but I’m starting to see the offense take some shape now.
RE: Sorry if German...may be buried in this very long thread
You are not wrong here. McDaniels is total crap when it comes to relationships. He is not going to make it. He's kind of the Russell Wilson of HCs. He assumes he knows what to do at the level above him because he's had so much success, but he clearly does not know how to work it and it takes its toll in expense with his relationships with others.
This is Joe Judge's and Pencil ear's problem too.
Daboll seems to be an exception to the rule coming for the same coaching tree.
he STILL trails only Kelce and Andrews for receptions and yards in the last 3 year. He can be dominant. No brainer for a sandwich pick between the third and fourth rounds.
You are not wrong here. McDaniels is total crap when it comes to relationships. He is not going to make it. He's kind of the Russell Wilson of HCs. He assumes he knows what to do at the level above him because he's had so much success, but he clearly does not know how to work it and it takes its toll in expense with his relationships with others.
This is Joe Judge's and Pencil ear's problem too.
Daboll seems to be an exception to the rule coming for the same coaching tree.
Daboll had significant experience in the Bill Parcells line as OC for Eric Mangini, Tony Sparano Sr., and Romeo Crennel. Let's not forget that Joe Schoen's first management role was under Bill Parcells (before that he was an Area Scout).
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This might be one decision I disagree with but I’m not the one holding the blueprints.
I don’t know much about Waller’s personality in the room or his intelligence.
I know Toney was a disaster and I would have rid him out of the room, and I was happy we got a 3rd round pick to move forward with another young player.
But we just signed a 31 year old who has has not really played consistently for 2 years and last year he had hamstrings issues. There are some comments out there on the interwebs that some fans questioned if he was even really hurt.
I’m happy that we can at least get out of the contract that if it goes bad but I think I would have kept the pick. I was personally hoping that we could package our 3rds and get back into the second for another young prospect,
As a fan I hope things works out and I hope this risk works out. This does send a stronger message than I expected about competing this year.
It’s a 3rd rounder, if it doesn’t work out it doesn’t work out. But it has a better likelihood of working out than whoever we would be taking with the pick. There almost no risk here.
On the grand scheme of things, I agree . I am ok with the risk/reward. I’m just going to dip my toes into the excitement pool on this one.
I am not worried about that. Assuming Dexter Lawrence gets a new contract, if Waller has a great year and opts out, we can just tag him at a very reasonable price.
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About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
I am not worried about that. Assuming Dexter Lawrence gets a new contract, if Waller has a great year and opts out, we can just tag him at a very reasonable price.
Are we sure he can opt out? I know NY can cut him with no consequences, but I’m not aware he can opt out as well.
If he is still injured, what is the most reasonable, untruthful prediction about when he will be ready to start practicing and when he will be ready to play.
He’s healthy. He returned for the last four games of the season
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About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
I am not worried about that. Assuming Dexter Lawrence gets a new contract, if Waller has a great year and opts out, we can just tag him at a very reasonable price.
Are we sure he can opt out? I know NY can cut him with no consequences, but I’m not aware he can opt out as well.
I don’t know where this came from. There’s no mention anywhere of him being able to opt out.
I don’t know much about Waller’s personality in the room or his intelligence.
I know Toney was a disaster and I would have rid him out of the room, and I was happy we got a 3rd round pick to move forward with another young player.
But we just signed a 31 year old who has has not really played consistently for 2 years and last year he had hamstrings issues. There are some comments out there on the interwebs that some fans questioned if he was even really hurt.
I’m happy that we can at least get out of the contract that if it goes bad but I think I would have kept the pick. I was personally hoping that we could package our 3rds and get back into the second for another young prospect,
As a fan I hope things works out and I hope this risk works out. This does send a stronger message than I expected about competing this year.
That's all fair.
Waller is easy to root for because of his struggles with addiction. He's been through some serious darkness in his life and has managed to come out the other side still in one piece and with a new perspective. And I admire his honestly in sharing his journey.
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About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
I am not worried about that. Assuming Dexter Lawrence gets a new contract, if Waller has a great year and opts out, we can just tag him at a very reasonable price.
Are we sure he can opt out? I know NY can cut him with no consequences, but I’m not aware he can opt out as well.
I don’t know where this came from. There’s no mention anywhere of him being able to opt out.
Color me confused too. I see no opt-outs in his contract anywhere
but same as those guys the risk is hedged against disaster because he doesn't have much guaranteed money. if you are giving lazard or obj 20m+ guaranteed that extra $10m+ dead money risk is riskier than giving up a pick.
last year they drafted bellinger and belton right around pick #100 and as much as they flashed they are probably replacement level players. giving up picks like that arent the end of the world, and for the upside of a real impact player it's worth it. and you can certainly buy a handful of replacement level vets for the dead money you save by not giving out a UFA deal.
the question im bouncing back and forth on is whether it would have been better to get hockenson at the deadline. i think waller is the better player but obviously carries a lot more mileage/injury risk.
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About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
I am not worried about that. Assuming Dexter Lawrence gets a new contract, if Waller has a great year and opts out, we can just tag him at a very reasonable price.
Are we sure he can opt out? I know NY can cut him with no consequences, but I’m not aware he can opt out as well.
I don’t know where this came from. There’s no mention anywhere of him being able to opt out.
Color me confused too. I see no opt-outs in his contract anywhere
Again. It’s mentioned in the linked article. Whether it’s true or not is a different story. As already mentioned by others, there is really nothing to worry about either.
Darren Walker article - ( New Window )
Again. It’s mentioned in the linked article. Whether it’s true or not is a different story. As already mentioned by others, there is really nothing to worry about either. Darren Walker article - ( New Window )
The Giants can get out after this year with no dead money which is the opt out referenced. The author likely saw on sportrac that after this year there’s a “potential out” which is just how the site displays when a team can cut a player with little dead money for cap savings.
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About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
Not saying this isn't true, but where does it say he has an opt out? Even if he does, he's very well compensated and at his age any potential divorce from the Giants in 2024 would be from the team. No way he's opting out and testing free agency at 32 when he has a very good deal already.
No one's talking about it because it's a non issue.
Here is the reference to the opt out. Whether it’s true is a different story.. Darren Waller article - ( New Window )
Lol fox news. Dumb ass writer is probably confusing the fact that he has no guarantees after 23, hence they can "opt out" of the deal and release him with no cap hit.
Be careful what you parrot, and always consider the source.
This deal is awesome if he’s healthy and not a killer if he’s not
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About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
Not saying this isn't true, but where does it say he has an opt out? Even if he does, he's very well compensated and at his age any potential divorce from the Giants in 2024 would be from the team. No way he's opting out and testing free agency at 32 when he has a very good deal already.
No one's talking about it because it's a non issue.
Here is the reference to the opt out. Whether it’s true is a different story.. Darren Waller article - ( New Window )
Don't think it's a player opt out. Pretty sure the Giants can opt out after this year without any dead money.
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About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
Not saying this isn't true, but where does it say he has an opt out? Even if he does, he's very well compensated and at his age any potential divorce from the Giants in 2024 would be from the team. No way he's opting out and testing free agency at 32 when he has a very good deal already.
No one's talking about it because it's a non issue.
Here is the reference to the opt out. Whether it’s true is a different story.. Darren Waller article - ( New Window )
Don't think it's a player opt out. Pretty sure the Giants can opt out after this year without any dead money.
Yes that’s correct they can just cut him with no dead money. It’s not really a “clause” like the article suggests it’s just how it’s structured. As has been mentioned here they could try to restructure it to lower his cap hit this year.
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but same as those guys the risk is hedged against disaster because he doesn't have much guaranteed money. if you are giving lazard or obj 20m+ guaranteed that extra $10m+ dead money risk is riskier than giving up a pick.
last year they drafted bellinger and belton right around pick #100 and as much as they flashed they are probably replacement level players. giving up picks like that arent the end of the world, and for the upside of a real impact player it's worth it. and you can certainly buy a handful of replacement level vets for the dead money you save by not giving out a UFA deal.
the question im bouncing back and forth on is whether it would have been better to get hockenson at the deadline. i think waller is the better player but obviously carries a lot more mileage/injury risk.
With his 11M cap hit (which may or may not be lowered) and a bit highr injury risk , I really think this pushes us towards a younger receiver still on a rookie contract.
Jeudy, Pittman Jr, Aiyuk etc. Jeudy has this year and a 5th year option so he may be most ideal. Aiyuk too but he probably costs a #1.
but same as those guys the risk is hedged against disaster because he doesn't have much guaranteed money. if you are giving lazard or obj 20m+ guaranteed that extra $10m+ dead money risk is riskier than giving up a pick.
last year they drafted bellinger and belton right around pick #100 and as much as they flashed they are probably replacement level players. giving up picks like that arent the end of the world, and for the upside of a real impact player it's worth it. and you can certainly buy a handful of replacement level vets for the dead money you save by not giving out a UFA deal.
the question im bouncing back and forth on is whether it would have been better to get hockenson at the deadline. i think waller is the better player but obviously carries a lot more mileage/injury risk.
I disagree on Bellinger. I think he could be at least a mid-level TE in this league. He already showed signs of being really good as a rookie and that position is hard to learn right away at the NFL level.
Waller is on what is effectively a year-to-year deal so the Giants can cut him loose if he doesn't work out. Glad we didn't go for Lazard and give a #3 WR $22 million guaranteed. I would probably pass on OBJ too because of the injury history, not because of his attitude. I don't care that OBJ isn't a Boy Scout, but I do care about that left knee being reconstructed twice
It’s hit/miss. If he stays healthy, great weapon for DJ.
Hes 31+. Played 9 games last year, 11 the one before. We’ll see how he fares. But healthy? No question I like it.
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all 3 may or may not still be in prime years.
but same as those guys the risk is hedged against disaster because he doesn't have much guaranteed money. if you are giving lazard or obj 20m+ guaranteed that extra $10m+ dead money risk is riskier than giving up a pick.
last year they drafted bellinger and belton right around pick #100 and as much as they flashed they are probably replacement level players. giving up picks like that arent the end of the world, and for the upside of a real impact player it's worth it. and you can certainly buy a handful of replacement level vets for the dead money you save by not giving out a UFA deal.
the question im bouncing back and forth on is whether it would have been better to get hockenson at the deadline. i think waller is the better player but obviously carries a lot more mileage/injury risk.
I disagree on Bellinger. I think he could be at least a mid-level TE in this league. He already showed signs of being really good as a rookie and that position is hard to learn right away at the NFL level.
Waller is on what is effectively a year-to-year deal so the Giants can cut him loose if he doesn't work out. Glad we didn't go for Lazard and give a #3 WR $22 million guaranteed. I would probably pass on OBJ too because of the injury history, not because of his attitude. I don't care that OBJ isn't a Boy Scout, but I do care about that left knee being reconstructed twice
I like Bellinger. He may have a bit more upside to him. But if u can improve position, u do it. Waller a match up nitemare. Almost shockey like if healthy. They will both be on the field quiet a bit since I bet Waller split out 1/2 the time.
Waller has four years and $52.5 million remaining on his contract. His $11 million salary this year is the only guarantee the Giants inherit. Waller will count $12.4 million on the Giants’ cap, per OverTheCap.com. The Giants do have the ability to convert Waller’s base salary to signing bonus, spreading out the cap hit over those remaining four years, if they wish to create more cap space for this year.
Not sure I get that it lists Waller as getting a $1.275 mill roster bonus per game - that just is not correct. Is he getting 1/17 of $1.275 mill per game - is that the total he can earn in the season?
It’s hit/miss. If he stays healthy, great weapon for DJ.
Hes 31+. Played 9 games last year, 11 the one before. We’ll see how he fares. But healthy? No question I like it.
The health concerns are baked into the cost to acquire him though. If he had no health concerns, you probably have to give up a first. A classic buy low.
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It’s hit/miss. If he stays healthy, great weapon for DJ.
Hes 31+. Played 9 games last year, 11 the one before. We’ll see how he fares. But healthy? No question I like it.
The health concerns are baked into the cost to acquire him though. If he had no health concerns, you probably have to give up a first. A classic buy low.
Yup and agree
nice to see our new LB that far down field in coverage
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nice to see our new LB that far down field in coverage
I think he’ll prove to be a steal..
If he opts out for a better contract, we should get a comp pick - maybe a 3rd round comp pick.
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About this trade that very few people are mentioning. It looks like Waller can opt out after one year. This then becomes a one year deal, almost like a rental.
If he opts out for a better contract, we should get a comp pick - maybe a 3rd round comp pick.
He cannot opt out. The Giants can cut him with little impact, but he cannot just walk away.
Waller can't opt out.
This is a great deal for the Giants.
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He went from a bonafide TE1 to a JAG. Someone who's targets went down drastically and who caught a lower % of passes he was thrown. Even when healthy he's been a shell of himself. Why?
This trade isn't without risk, but I certainly understand and like the move. If we can figure out what happened, we have a real threat in the passing game. Big body, long arms, good routes.
To me, this is a low risk move to get another weapon in the offense to provide Jones some help over the middle. High upside player who doesn't cost much, and if he continues to get dinged up, they can move along.
Hmm... His new wife plays for Las Vegas in the WNBA.
You are not wrong here. McDaniels is total crap when it comes to relationships. He is not going to make it. He's kind of the Russell Wilson of HCs. He assumes he knows what to do at the level above him because he's had so much success, but he clearly does not know how to work it and it takes its toll in expense with his relationships with others.
This is Joe Judge's and Pencil ear's problem too.
Daboll seems to be an exception to the rule coming for the same coaching tree.
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I really don't see it working out for McDaniels.
You are not wrong here. McDaniels is total crap when it comes to relationships. He is not going to make it. He's kind of the Russell Wilson of HCs. He assumes he knows what to do at the level above him because he's had so much success, but he clearly does not know how to work it and it takes its toll in expense with his relationships with others.
This is Joe Judge's and Pencil ear's problem too.
Daboll seems to be an exception to the rule coming for the same coaching tree.
Daboll had significant experience in the Bill Parcells line as OC for Eric Mangini, Tony Sparano Sr., and Romeo Crennel. Let's not forget that Joe Schoen's first management role was under Bill Parcells (before that he was an Area Scout).