which i would guess the nyg bonus day 1 to lower his cap hit this year. really interesting addition. he has had some games where he is borderline uncoverable if he can stay healthy. cap #'s for nyg are 1.275m per year less than the far right column since LV eats their previously paid signing bonus.
Is Waller breaking down? Some guys once they start to get hurt at age 30 plus never really get back their explosion or just become injury prone.
Since the signing bonus is absorbed against Las Vegas's cap we can restructure the entire remaining balance however we feel like assuming Waller agrees.
am usually not a fan of trading day one or two picks for veterans, but this is a great move. As others have noted, Waller is a very credible threat down the seam and is a fantastic pick up. Great trade by Schoen, especially since we apparently got a sixth in return.
My guess is the Giants pivoted to trading for a receiving TE when they couldn't trade for a WR.
Think this opens up their options at WR in the draft too
And this is the consolation. TBH I may still try to pry him away and I might even consider the 2 after rewatching some clips this past year. Second rounders are gold but it's a late 2 and I'm having a hard time envisioning someone coming in and having a bigger impact.
You can see the influence Kafka and the Reid system is having on team construction. There was a good discussion during the playoffs on how KC uses Kelce.
If you have a TE with legitimate vertical ability, you can start in 12 personnel, and then based on coverage, effectively move to 11. KC does this a ton with Kelce who took 30% of his snap from the slot. He acts and runs like a receiver.
Waller took 25% of his snaps from the slot last year, and I'd expect this to be closer to 30% this year.
I don't think this impacts Bellinger much. I think the Giants just run a bunch of 12 personnel.
And proposed to trade Waller (healthy) for Toney I would have been at a dead sprint to make that trade.
He's a little older and off of a season where he missed some games, but the contract is flexible and he can make a massive impact if he returns to form.
RE: RE: Good trade. Some things to be concerned over:
I think the the risk was worth it. The contract has zero cap impact if he is cut after 2023. And if it doesn't work out, the Giants are out a late (comp) 3rd round pick.
6' 6" 228: he's long, can he block and control the edge? Curious minds....
Sad as the BBI Mock Draft GM for the Giants that I have one less draft pick to play with, but I think I'll live.
Yea seems high to me too. Like the signing. Don't love the dollars but apparently his guarenteeds left aren't high $
fucking 4D chess
Since the signing bonus is absorbed against Las Vegas's cap we can restructure the entire remaining balance however we feel like assuming Waller agrees.
31 in Sept
We need the top 2 picks to fill OL/DT/LB/CB.
And I hope LW gave back enough to extend Sexy Dexy and this.
So JG is throwing to Meyers and?
Davante Adams....
Hunter renfrow...
For a late, very late 3rd? Why not.
3 years ago!
jk - I think.
Oh well, I trust in Schoen
I feel similar.
Hopefully I’m wrong.
Desperately needed a vertical threat and I trust this staff to leverage that.
Plus I think for Jones skillset a guy like Waller is a bigger difference maker than an outside receiver.
Either way, I don't mind the trade. NYG have just landed their best TE since Martellus Bennett.
My guess is the Giants pivoted to trading for a receiving TE when they couldn't trade for a WR.
Schoen
We
Fucking
Trust
Worries me because that saying reminds me of Reese.
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a 3rd rounder for a 31 year-old(in Sept)?
Oh well, I trust in Schoen
I feel similar.
Hopefully I’m wrong.
Me too, but as I said, I trust in Schoen
Either way, I don't mind the trade. NYG have just landed their best TE since Martellus Bennett.
That's an insult to Waller.
He's now our best TE since Shockey
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Vertical threat from TE is a big time asset for an offense - Waller is one of maybe 5 TE in league that is a credible vertical threat
Sy', thanks: he's long and he can be vertical. Can he block like a TE?
As a blocker - he is a taller/longer Engram
One rumor is he was really tight with Carr and was super pissed about how they handled that entire ordeal last season
Anyone else coming to the party lol
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Didn't he have injury/concussion issues?
Either way, I don't mind the trade. NYG have just landed their best TE since Martellus Bennett.
That's an insult to Waller.
He's now our best TE since Shockey
No it’s not. Bennett had a heckuva year for us before leaving in FA
He had back to back 1000 yard seasons.
If you have a TE with legitimate vertical ability, you can start in 12 personnel, and then based on coverage, effectively move to 11. KC does this a ton with Kelce who took 30% of his snap from the slot. He acts and runs like a receiver.
Waller took 25% of his snaps from the slot last year, and I'd expect this to be closer to 30% this year.
I don't think this impacts Bellinger much. I think the Giants just run a bunch of 12 personnel.
Anybody else we should be keeping an eye on? Thanks!
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He’s 30. Hasn’t played a full season since 2020.
31 in Sept
I agree. Seems that he's bit older and has started to breakdown.
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but what do we think LV was thinking to dump him for this price? I'm a little curious what LV thinks they are getting out of this deal.
One rumor is he was really tight with Carr and was super pissed about how they handled that entire ordeal last season
interesting. that's the bullish take. injury risk is my bearish "cloud attached to the silver lining" take.
He's a little older and off of a season where he missed some games, but the contract is flexible and he can make a massive impact if he returns to form.
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He’s 30. Hasn’t played a full season since 2020.
31 in Sept
Jason Whitten is laughing at the age posts. So are some of the other hall of fame TEs
At least the WNBA and NFL seasons don't overlap much.
If not, still probably provides as much value as Toney would have, or even the draft pick.
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He’s 30. Hasn’t played a full season since 2020.
31 in Sept
Jason Whitten is laughing at the age posts. So are some of the other hall of fame TEs
I'm laughing at the "H" you added to his name.
I think the the risk was worth it. The contract has zero cap impact if he is cut after 2023. And if it doesn't work out, the Giants are out a late (comp) 3rd round pick.
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Vertical threat from TE is a big time asset for an offense - Waller is one of maybe 5 TE in league that is a credible vertical threat
Sy', thanks: he's long and he can be vertical. Can he block like a TE?
As a blocker - he is a taller/longer Engram
So you're saying he can't block huh??
Lol