he's (or his mother) asking for way more than that, like 6/330 fully guaranteed.
Let them ask. Nobody is ever getting a fully guaranteed contract of the dollars Watson got ever again most likely. If he wants to sit out then sit out.
Not sure why people (not saying you) take offense to his stance on this. If he’s willing to face the repercussions (sitting out for nothing) then good for him.
I doubt an agent would have told him to sign that either
3/133 guaranteed is a lot to turn down. But based on the market he probably can and should be able to get more than that over a bigger amount of years. Though it's a gamble because other teams coming in for him are not materializing yet.
Of course turning down $44m AAV over 3 years isn't going to win you much in the battle of public opinion. But I can see his point in saying no.
RE: RE: RE: That's not a good contract for him to sign.
I see 45/yr fully guaranteed and hitting FA again in three years as a positive. What's the flipside?
If he keeps getting injured, he wants a longer term deal. Don't blame LJ. Blame the Browns and the contract they handed Watson.
Sure, which is why Balt will keep it at 3, amongst other reasons. His health is part of the picture whether he likes it or not. Really puts the Ravens in a tough spot. Even offering 3 yrs fully guaranteed after the Watson deal could potentially open the flood gates.
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44 million a year is not good?
It’s good but he doesn’t want a 3 year deal.
Not sure why people (not saying you) take offense to his stance on this. If he’s willing to face the repercussions (sitting out for nothing) then good for him. [/quote
He's not going to get a fully guaranteed contract with more years. With his injury history and style of play he is 1 big hit from being irrelevant. I don't see him ever becoming a pocket passer]
I don't feel any sort of way about him turning it down, I find it all fascinating. Ultimately I'm for any arrangement that puts more money in the pockets of the players and post-career programs.
but $41M/year isn't a lot for a QB at his level; it'll look like peanuts in two years.
The offer is coming in low because it's fully guaranteed. The buyers are going to say "You can't have the big salary number over multiple years and a fully guaranteed contract. It's too much risk for us to assume. Choose one or the other." He is gambling someone will cave, as the Browns did. The buyers are gambling that nobody will cave. In this situation, I think the buyers are right. Nobody is going to cafe and give him more money, fully guaranteed over multiple years.
He might get a $100M+ signing bonus but only if there is a way to spread that bonus out over multiple years. He might get a big salary number in the out years, but not if it's fully guaranteed. He's missed too many games with injury the last two years and his playing style isn't conducive to a long career. His peak-performance window might be more like a RB than a traditional QB — unless he becomes more of a pocket passer.
Add nearly 10% to the value of each deal if he doesn’t have an agent and he still wants more ...is it even possible to spend that much money ( less taxes) over let’s say 2-3 generations. Crazy, crazy, crazy.
On the three-year tag plan, Baltimore controls his rights for 32.5 + 40 + 56 = 128.5M
They effectively offered him more guaranteed money and no more years than what 3 tags is worth.
He should want to get to UFA in 3 years.
I would agree but the way I see it, and if I was him is this - most big mega deals for QBs are all seeing the first 3 years guaranteed anyway because they signed 5+ year deals and likely play out the contract, or have it restructured later for more money.
My best guess is that he’s off the fully guaranteed long term deal but wants more years than 3 fully guaranteed - something like a 5 year deal for $220m with $180m guaranteed or something along those lines.
On the three-year tag plan, Baltimore controls his rights for 32.5 + 40 + 56 = 128.5M
They effectively offered him more guaranteed money and no more years than what 3 tags is worth.
He should want to get to UFA in 3 years.
I would agree but the way I see it, and if I was him is this - most big mega deals for QBs are all seeing the first 3 years guaranteed anyway because they signed 5+ year deals and likely play out the contract, or have it restructured later for more money.
My best guess is that he’s off the fully guaranteed long term deal but wants more years than 3 fully guaranteed - something like a 5 year deal for $220m with $180m guaranteed or something along those lines.
The give and trade in those arrangements is the team gives guaranteed money in exchange for below market compensation in the out years.
I understand the bird in hand element of it, but if I were his representative I wouldn't even take 5/220M at 180M guaranteed.
That's essentially 4 years guaranteed at 45M AAV, and a bonus option year thrown in for free at 40M. That option year would need to be at least market pay so 50+.
They may have offered 3/133 but there's no way it was fully guaranteed.
Wasn't the original deal something like 5 yrs/$230 mill and $130 guaranteed. In other words, the Ravens removed two years and $100 mill of non guaranteed money. No wonder he turned it down, it is basically what he turned own already, except he can actually walk after 3 years with this one.
They may have offered 3/133 but there's no way it was fully guaranteed.
I don’t agree. Look at any top QB deal - they are all 5+ years and regardless of guarantees they will all see those first 3 years unless they suffer a horrific injury and can no longer play at all. There’s nuances when you talk about up front bonuses and such the cap dead cap is usually far too large to cut within 3 years. Just look at the Mahomes/Allen deals, etc.
Add nearly 10% to the value of each deal if he doesn’t have an agent and he still wants more ...is it even possible to spend that much money ( less taxes) over let’s say 2-3 generations. Crazy, crazy, crazy.
Yes clearly this younger generation is greedier than prior generations.
Suspect this is more ego driven than anything else. He thinks he’s better than Watson and should be paid more. With the guarantee. I don’t see it, but I also thought the Watson contract was absurd.
That. He's a singular talent but that talent is based upon him staying healthy. Which is nearly impossible to guarantee w his style and build over the next 5 years. And they're what he seems to want. A 5 year guarantee. So sorry. There's only one a franchise that dumb. And they have Watson
That. He's a singular talent but that talent is based upon him staying healthy. Which is nearly impossible to guarantee w his style and build over the next 5 years. And they're what he seems to want. A 5 year guarantee. So sorry. There's only one a franchise that dumb. And they have Watson
There's the Jets, and Douglas and Saleh are desperate to cover up for their blunder with Milf Hunter.
Too much bad blood and it will not end well
Lamar will never play another down for Baltimore.
I've been saying it for months now.
He will sit out rather than play on the tag..eventually he will force them to trade him
But this process will take months
I see 45/yr fully guaranteed and hitting FA again in three years as a positive. What's the flipside?
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I see 45/yr fully guaranteed and hitting FA again in three years as a positive. What's the flipside?
If he keeps getting injured, he wants a longer term deal. Don't blame LJ. Blame the Browns and the contract they handed Watson.
Let them ask. Nobody is ever getting a fully guaranteed contract of the dollars Watson got ever again most likely. If he wants to sit out then sit out.
44 million a year is not good?
Agreed.
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44 million a year is not good?
It’s good but he doesn’t want a 3 year deal.
Not sure why people (not saying you) take offense to his stance on this. If he’s willing to face the repercussions (sitting out for nothing) then good for him.
Of course turning down $44m AAV over 3 years isn't going to win you much in the battle of public opinion. But I can see his point in saying no.
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I see 45/yr fully guaranteed and hitting FA again in three years as a positive. What's the flipside?
If he keeps getting injured, he wants a longer term deal. Don't blame LJ. Blame the Browns and the contract they handed Watson.
Sure, which is why Balt will keep it at 3, amongst other reasons. His health is part of the picture whether he likes it or not. Really puts the Ravens in a tough spot. Even offering 3 yrs fully guaranteed after the Watson deal could potentially open the flood gates.
Yes. NFLN is misattributed. Jackson tweeted about it. Of course, he could be lying.
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44 million a year is not good?
It’s good but he doesn’t want a 3 year deal.
Not sure why people (not saying you) take offense to his stance on this. If he’s willing to face the repercussions (sitting out for nothing) then good for him. [/quote
He's not going to get a fully guaranteed contract with more years. With his injury history and style of play he is 1 big hit from being irrelevant. I don't see him ever becoming a pocket passer]
But everyone is entitled to do things the way they want to.
The offer is coming in low because it's fully guaranteed. The buyers are going to say "You can't have the big salary number over multiple years and a fully guaranteed contract. It's too much risk for us to assume. Choose one or the other." He is gambling someone will cave, as the Browns did. The buyers are gambling that nobody will cave. In this situation, I think the buyers are right. Nobody is going to cafe and give him more money, fully guaranteed over multiple years.
He might get a $100M+ signing bonus but only if there is a way to spread that bonus out over multiple years. He might get a big salary number in the out years, but not if it's fully guaranteed. He's missed too many games with injury the last two years and his playing style isn't conducive to a long career. His peak-performance window might be more like a RB than a traditional QB — unless he becomes more of a pocket passer.
On the three-year tag plan, Baltimore controls his rights for 32.5 + 40 + 56 = 128.5M
They effectively offered him more guaranteed money and no more years than what 3 tags is worth.
He should want to get to UFA in 3 years.
On the three-year tag plan, Baltimore controls his rights for 32.5 + 40 + 56 = 128.5M
They effectively offered him more guaranteed money and no more years than what 3 tags is worth.
He should want to get to UFA in 3 years.
I would agree but the way I see it, and if I was him is this - most big mega deals for QBs are all seeing the first 3 years guaranteed anyway because they signed 5+ year deals and likely play out the contract, or have it restructured later for more money.
My best guess is that he’s off the fully guaranteed long term deal but wants more years than 3 fully guaranteed - something like a 5 year deal for $220m with $180m guaranteed or something along those lines.
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That's actually a pretty good deal for Jackson.
On the three-year tag plan, Baltimore controls his rights for 32.5 + 40 + 56 = 128.5M
They effectively offered him more guaranteed money and no more years than what 3 tags is worth.
He should want to get to UFA in 3 years.
I would agree but the way I see it, and if I was him is this - most big mega deals for QBs are all seeing the first 3 years guaranteed anyway because they signed 5+ year deals and likely play out the contract, or have it restructured later for more money.
My best guess is that he’s off the fully guaranteed long term deal but wants more years than 3 fully guaranteed - something like a 5 year deal for $220m with $180m guaranteed or something along those lines.
The give and trade in those arrangements is the team gives guaranteed money in exchange for below market compensation in the out years.
I understand the bird in hand element of it, but if I were his representative I wouldn't even take 5/220M at 180M guaranteed.
That's essentially 4 years guaranteed at 45M AAV, and a bonus option year thrown in for free at 40M. That option year would need to be at least market pay so 50+.
They may have offered 3/133 but there's no way it was fully guaranteed.
Huh? “He BEEN turned that down”?
They may have offered 3/133 but there's no way it was fully guaranteed.
Wasn't the original deal something like 5 yrs/$230 mill and $130 guaranteed. In other words, the Ravens removed two years and $100 mill of non guaranteed money. No wonder he turned it down, it is basically what he turned own already, except he can actually walk after 3 years with this one.
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133/3years fully guaranteed😒 but I need a agent? 🤣🤦🏾♂️
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They may have offered 3/133 but there's no way it was fully guaranteed.
I don’t agree. Look at any top QB deal - they are all 5+ years and regardless of guarantees they will all see those first 3 years unless they suffer a horrific injury and can no longer play at all. There’s nuances when you talk about up front bonuses and such the cap dead cap is usually far too large to cut within 3 years. Just look at the Mahomes/Allen deals, etc.
On the three-year tag plan, Baltimore controls his rights for 32.5 + 40 + 56 = 128.5M
They effectively offered him more guaranteed money and no more years than what 3 tags is worth.
He should want to get to UFA in 3 years.
Yes clearly this younger generation is greedier than prior generations.
This is going to end ugly. Maybe really ugly.
There's the Jets, and Douglas and Saleh are desperate to cover up for their blunder with Milf Hunter.
and that's a 3 year,13 thousand dollar deal
Lamar will never play another down for Baltimore.
I've been saying it for months now.
He will sit out rather than play on the tag..eventually he will force them to trade him
But this process will take months
Philosophically it's not a bad deal, if you suspend the belief there is a 5 year fully guaranteed deal out there.
If I were advising him, I'd say get the 2nd most fully guaranteed dollars ever, and get it on a 3 year deal.
Short of a career ending injury, the worst outcome is giving a team option years at below market rate.
I think the worst contract for him is a Russell Wilson deal.