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Jackson turns down 3/133 fully guaranteed

j_rud : 3/14/2023 3:10 pm
Per NFLN. I'm all for these guys holding ownership over a barrel but I'm not sure what he's trying to do here...

Thoughts?
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That's not a good contract for him to sign.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/14/2023 3:11 pm : link
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They should just let him  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/14/2023 3:11 pm : link
sit out the year. Its crazy what he's trying to do at this point. Turning down 3 years fully guarenteed? WILD
As first reported by none other than himself  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/14/2023 3:11 pm : link
While laughing about it on his Twitter
That’s crazy. He’s going to price himself  
Section331 : 3/14/2023 3:11 pm : link
out of the league.
I guess Ryan Clark can STFU  
Tom in NY : 3/14/2023 3:12 pm : link
Jackson officially turned down substantially more than Jones signed for. I don't want to hear him wine about it anymore.
I assume  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/14/2023 3:12 pm : link
he's (or his mother) asking for way more than that, like 6/330 fully guaranteed.

Who turns down $133M?  
eric2425ny : 3/14/2023 3:13 pm : link
What a moron.
RE: That's not a good contract for him to sign.  
j_rud : 3/14/2023 3:13 pm : link
In comment 16063684 robbieballs2003 said:
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I see 45/yr fully guaranteed and hitting FA again in three years as a positive. What's the flipside?
unreal  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2023 3:13 pm : link
Lamar may just want out of Baltimore
3 years lets him cash in, again  
islander1 : 3/14/2023 3:14 pm : link
He'll be 29. I mean imagine being guaranteed 133 million and saying 'nah, I'm good'.
RE: RE: That's not a good contract for him to sign.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/14/2023 3:14 pm : link
In comment 16063694 j_rud said:
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I see 45/yr fully guaranteed and hitting FA again in three years as a positive. What's the flipside?


If he keeps getting injured, he wants a longer term deal. Don't blame LJ. Blame the Browns and the contract they handed Watson.
RE: I assume  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/14/2023 3:15 pm : link
In comment 16063691 Spiciest Memelord said:
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he's (or his mother) asking for way more than that, like 6/330 fully guaranteed.


Let them ask. Nobody is ever getting a fully guaranteed contract of the dollars Watson got ever again most likely. If he wants to sit out then sit out.
What was that Wonderlic score again?  
HewlettGiant : 3/14/2023 3:18 pm : link
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RE: That's not a good contract for him to sign.  
NJ-GMenFan : 3/14/2023 3:18 pm : link
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44 million a year is not good?
RE: That's not a good contract for him to sign.  
UConn4523 : 3/14/2023 3:19 pm : link
In comment 16063684 robbieballs2003 said:
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Agreed.
RE: RE: That's not a good contract for him to sign.  
UConn4523 : 3/14/2023 3:20 pm : link
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44 million a year is not good?


It’s good but he doesn’t want a 3 year deal.

Not sure why people (not saying you) take offense to his stance on this. If he’s willing to face the repercussions (sitting out for nothing) then good for him.
I doubt an agent would have told him to sign that either  
moespree : 3/14/2023 3:22 pm : link
3/133 guaranteed is a lot to turn down. But based on the market he probably can and should be able to get more than that over a bigger amount of years. Though it's a gamble because other teams coming in for him are not materializing yet.

Of course turning down $44m AAV over 3 years isn't going to win you much in the battle of public opinion. But I can see his point in saying no.
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j_rud : 3/14/2023 3:28 pm : link
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I see 45/yr fully guaranteed and hitting FA again in three years as a positive. What's the flipside?



If he keeps getting injured, he wants a longer term deal. Don't blame LJ. Blame the Browns and the contract they handed Watson.


Sure, which is why Balt will keep it at 3, amongst other reasons. His health is part of the picture whether he likes it or not. Really puts the Ravens in a tough spot. Even offering 3 yrs fully guaranteed after the Watson deal could potentially open the flood gates.
RE: As first reported by none other than himself  
NoPeanutz : 3/14/2023 3:29 pm : link
In comment 16063686 No1MDGiantsFan said:
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While laughing about it on his Twitter

Yes. NFLN is misattributed. Jackson tweeted about it. Of course, he could be lying.
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nochance : 3/14/2023 3:29 pm : link
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44 million a year is not good?



It’s good but he doesn’t want a 3 year deal.

Not sure why people (not saying you) take offense to his stance on this. If he’s willing to face the repercussions (sitting out for nothing) then good for him. [/quote


He's not going to get a fully guaranteed contract with more years. With his injury history and style of play he is 1 big hit from being irrelevant. I don't see him ever becoming a pocket passer]
Just to clarify  
j_rud : 3/14/2023 3:29 pm : link
I don't feel any sort of way about him turning it down, I find it all fascinating. Ultimately I'm for any arrangement that puts more money in the pockets of the players and post-career programs.
He BEEN turned that down  
blueblood : 3/14/2023 3:32 pm : link
that aint new
He has priced himself out of the league  
Giant John : 3/14/2023 3:33 pm : link
Because there is no franchise dumber than The Browns
Not having an agent  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/14/2023 3:33 pm : link
is not going to help him get this done. Going to be too many bruises when this is finished.

But everyone is entitled to do things the way they want to.
He's an inexperienced negotiator  
81_Great_Dane : 3/14/2023 3:38 pm : link
but $41M/year isn't a lot for a QB at his level; it'll look like peanuts in two years.

The offer is coming in low because it's fully guaranteed. The buyers are going to say "You can't have the big salary number over multiple years and a fully guaranteed contract. It's too much risk for us to assume. Choose one or the other." He is gambling someone will cave, as the Browns did. The buyers are gambling that nobody will cave. In this situation, I think the buyers are right. Nobody is going to cafe and give him more money, fully guaranteed over multiple years.

He might get a $100M+ signing bonus but only if there is a way to spread that bonus out over multiple years. He might get a big salary number in the out years, but not if it's fully guaranteed. He's missed too many games with injury the last two years and his playing style isn't conducive to a long career. His peak-performance window might be more like a RB than a traditional QB — unless he becomes more of a pocket passer.
When it’s not your money  
Ned In Atlanta : 3/14/2023 3:42 pm : link
It’s amazing how many people wouldn’t squeeze out every dime they could and go for the max
Generation Group for Greed.  
Spider56 : 3/14/2023 3:59 pm : link
Add nearly 10% to the value of each deal if he doesn’t have an agent and he still wants more ...is it even possible to spend that much money ( less taxes) over let’s say 2-3 generations. Crazy, crazy, crazy.
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christian : 3/14/2023 4:00 pm : link
That's actually a pretty good deal for Jackson.

On the three-year tag plan, Baltimore controls his rights for 32.5 + 40 + 56 = 128.5M

They effectively offered him more guaranteed money and no more years than what 3 tags is worth.

He should want to get to UFA in 3 years.
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UConn4523 : 3/14/2023 4:21 pm : link
In comment 16063845 christian said:
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That's actually a pretty good deal for Jackson.

On the three-year tag plan, Baltimore controls his rights for 32.5 + 40 + 56 = 128.5M

They effectively offered him more guaranteed money and no more years than what 3 tags is worth.

He should want to get to UFA in 3 years.


I would agree but the way I see it, and if I was him is this - most big mega deals for QBs are all seeing the first 3 years guaranteed anyway because they signed 5+ year deals and likely play out the contract, or have it restructured later for more money.

My best guess is that he’s off the fully guaranteed long term deal but wants more years than 3 fully guaranteed - something like a 5 year deal for $220m with $180m guaranteed or something along those lines.
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christian : 3/14/2023 4:38 pm : link
In comment 16063882 UConn4523 said:
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That's actually a pretty good deal for Jackson.

On the three-year tag plan, Baltimore controls his rights for 32.5 + 40 + 56 = 128.5M

They effectively offered him more guaranteed money and no more years than what 3 tags is worth.

He should want to get to UFA in 3 years.



I would agree but the way I see it, and if I was him is this - most big mega deals for QBs are all seeing the first 3 years guaranteed anyway because they signed 5+ year deals and likely play out the contract, or have it restructured later for more money.

My best guess is that he’s off the fully guaranteed long term deal but wants more years than 3 fully guaranteed - something like a 5 year deal for $220m with $180m guaranteed or something along those lines.


The give and trade in those arrangements is the team gives guaranteed money in exchange for below market compensation in the out years.

I understand the bird in hand element of it, but if I were his representative I wouldn't even take 5/220M at 180M guaranteed.

That's essentially 4 years guaranteed at 45M AAV, and a bonus option year thrown in for free at 40M. That option year would need to be at least market pay so 50+.
I don't believe this is true.  
FStubbs : 3/14/2023 4:40 pm : link
Jackson would sign that in a heartbeat.

They may have offered 3/133 but there's no way it was fully guaranteed.
RE: He BEEN turned that down  
BigBlueShock : 3/14/2023 4:47 pm : link
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that aint new

Huh? “He BEEN turned that down”?
RE: I don't believe this is true.  
section125 : 3/14/2023 4:48 pm : link
In comment 16063926 FStubbs said:
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Jackson would sign that in a heartbeat.

They may have offered 3/133 but there's no way it was fully guaranteed.


Wasn't the original deal something like 5 yrs/$230 mill and $130 guaranteed. In other words, the Ravens removed two years and $100 mill of non guaranteed money. No wonder he turned it down, it is basically what he turned own already, except he can actually walk after 3 years with this one.
Jackson tweet  
jestersdead : 3/14/2023 4:50 pm : link
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Lamar Jackson
@Lj_era8
133/3years fully guaranteed😒 but I need a agent? 🤣🤦🏾‍♂️
12:38 PM · Mar 14, 2023

RE: I don't believe this is true.  
UConn4523 : 3/14/2023 4:51 pm : link
In comment 16063926 FStubbs said:
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Jackson would sign that in a heartbeat.

They may have offered 3/133 but there's no way it was fully guaranteed.


I don’t agree. Look at any top QB deal - they are all 5+ years and regardless of guarantees they will all see those first 3 years unless they suffer a horrific injury and can no longer play at all. There’s nuances when you talk about up front bonuses and such the cap dead cap is usually far too large to cut within 3 years. Just look at the Mahomes/Allen deals, etc.
Christian  
UConn4523 : 3/14/2023 4:52 pm : link
I agree, was just using hypotheticals. He’s clearly at $50m+ with $150-$200m guaranteed.
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Thegratefulhead : 3/14/2023 4:53 pm : link
In comment 16063845 christian said:
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That's actually a pretty good deal for Jackson.

On the three-year tag plan, Baltimore controls his rights for 32.5 + 40 + 56 = 128.5M

They effectively offered him more guaranteed money and no more years than what 3 tags is worth.

He should want to get to UFA in 3 years.
It is a pretty good deal, I would try to get a little more, I don't think he has to sign that right away. I bet he is close.
RE: Generation Group for Greed.  
djm : 3/14/2023 5:32 pm : link
In comment 16063841 Spider56 said:
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Add nearly 10% to the value of each deal if he doesn’t have an agent and he still wants more ...is it even possible to spend that much money ( less taxes) over let’s say 2-3 generations. Crazy, crazy, crazy.


Yes clearly this younger generation is greedier than prior generations.

He’s not worth it  
WillVAB : 3/14/2023 5:33 pm : link
It’s in the Ravens best interest to move on.
He is not going to  
Amtoft : 3/14/2023 5:34 pm : link
sign anything until he has a chance to get his 5/250 fully guaranteed. He can't talk to other teams until Wednesday.
We can talk about guarantees and structure, but I  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/14/2023 5:43 pm : link
Suspect this is more ego driven than anything else. He thinks he’s better than Watson and should be paid more. With the guarantee. I don’t see it, but I also thought the Watson contract was absurd.

This is going to end ugly. Maybe really ugly.
No sane team is guaranteeing much more than  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/14/2023 5:47 pm : link
That. He's a singular talent but that talent is based upon him staying healthy. Which is nearly impossible to guarantee w his style and build over the next 5 years. And they're what he seems to want. A 5 year guarantee. So sorry. There's only one a franchise that dumb. And they have Watson
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Spiciest Memelord : 3/14/2023 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16064055 LauderdaleMatty said:
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That. He's a singular talent but that talent is based upon him staying healthy. Which is nearly impossible to guarantee w his style and build over the next 5 years. And they're what he seems to want. A 5 year guarantee. So sorry. There's only one a franchise that dumb. And they have Watson


There's the Jets, and Douglas and Saleh are desperate to cover up for their blunder with Milf Hunter.
I'm not paying him that - over rating himself  
PatersonPlank : 3/14/2023 8:47 pm : link
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Better take it  
ghost718 : 3/14/2023 9:00 pm : link
In 3 years you could be in the flag football league

and that's a 3 year,13 thousand dollar deal
No agent would let him  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2023 9:09 pm : link
Take that deal.
Contracts like this have big guarantees kicking in during years  
cosmicj : 3/14/2023 9:11 pm : link
2 or 3. 3 years is not enough.
This will never work out  
AG5686 : 3/14/2023 10:03 pm : link
Too much bad blood and it will not end well
Lamar will never play another down for Baltimore.
I've been saying it for months now.
He will sit out rather than play on the tag..eventually he will force them to trade him
But this process will take months
RE: No agent would let him  
christian : 3/14/2023 10:31 pm : link
In comment 16064304 ajr2456 said:
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Take that deal.


Philosophically it's not a bad deal, if you suspend the belief there is a 5 year fully guaranteed deal out there.

If I were advising him, I'd say get the 2nd most fully guaranteed dollars ever, and get it on a 3 year deal.

Short of a career ending injury, the worst outcome is giving a team option years at below market rate.

I think the worst contract for him is a Russell Wilson deal.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/15/2023 6:20 am : link
This is becoming an example of why having an agent is good.
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