Enough to luve comfortably for countless lifetimes. Yeah, but the moron, who is succumbing more and more to injury and has shown his team commitment, needs more..
Enough to luve comfortably for countless lifetimes. Yeah, but the moron, who is succumbing more and more to injury and has shown his team commitment, needs more..
Why is he a moron for thinking the offer is bullshit? I don’t get these kind of comments. Self representing isn’t wise but no criticism of the Ravens here at all?
RE: RE: 133 mil guaranteed for 3 years or until he’s 29.
Enough to luve comfortably for countless lifetimes. Yeah, but the moron, who is succumbing more and more to injury and has shown his team commitment, needs more..
Why is he a moron for thinking the offer is bullshit? I don’t get these kind of comments. Self representing isn’t wise but no criticism of the Ravens here at all?
Because 133 million GUARANTEED is more than enough given his recent injury history and how he made his business decision not to show for the playoffs. So yes, imo, he’s a fucking moron!
So if he gets a deal for a lot more in the coming days/weeks
Enough to luve comfortably for countless lifetimes. Yeah, but the moron, who is succumbing more and more to injury and has shown his team commitment, needs more..
Why is he a moron for thinking the offer is bullshit? I don’t get these kind of comments. Self representing isn’t wise but no criticism of the Ravens here at all?
What would you criticize the Ravens for? Not throwing money away?
I wouldn't call him a moron for wanting guaranteed money, but he is not getting what he wants. Unfortunately for him he won that MVP early, and even though he has not been that good again, he wants to be paid like a perennial MVP. He has basically been in decline since 2019 in nearly every category. Yes, lack of talent around him has hurt. No argument.
But, I cannot blame him for wanting either a VG contract or a better supporting group.
RE: So if he gets a deal for a lot more in the coming days/weeks
is he still a moron? Acting offended when athletes try to get a better deal is really strange, they all do it.
Not offended in the least with Athletes trying to get all they can, as they should. Just HIM, given how he abandoned his team as he did, so he should be thankful they want to pay him even that.
there could be a number of things. Failure to get playmakers, lowball offer compared to the top end deals, and any number of things that have gone wrong behind the scenes.
Questioning his dedication/commitment during the playoffs is fair. But there’s two sides to every story, Ravens aren’t blameless. If he had an agent and held out like this, no one would care, it would be “normal”. This self representing thing really has people making strange comments - good for him if he thinks it will work. We will see what happens.
there could be a number of things. Failure to get playmakers, lowball offer compared to the top end deals, and any number of things that have gone wrong behind the scenes.
Questioning his dedication/commitment during the playoffs is fair. But there’s two sides to every story, Ravens aren’t blameless. If he had an agent and held out like this, no one would care, it would be “normal”. This self representing thing really has people making strange comments - good for him if he thinks it will work. We will see what happens.
Fair comments and If he wants to rep himself, go for it. I don’t care. Perhaps moron was not an apt word. I prefer Jackass, given the playoff “business decision” that fucked his team royally..I wouldn’twant this guy leading my team, but that’s just me.
there could be a number of things. Failure to get playmakers, lowball offer compared to the top end deals, and any number of things that have gone wrong behind the scenes.
Questioning his dedication/commitment during the playoffs is fair. But there’s two sides to every story, Ravens aren’t blameless. If he had an agent and held out like this, no one would care, it would be “normal”. This self representing thing really has people making strange comments - good for him if he thinks it will work. We will see what happens.
The Ravens have never had great talent around him , true.
I do not know how you call $133 mill/3 yr deal low ball - it is a VG starting point - and then he gets to work on another contract after three years at age 29. He was offered 5 yrs/$230 mill with $130 gtd and turned it down - that is not low ball. You have to throw Watson deal out - that is an impeccilik contract. The Ravens are a very well run org. They will not sell the future to satisfy a QB that is slowly declining because of his playing style. He clearly will not play on the tag, and I would not blame him at all.
Starting today, he can go out and see what other teams think of him. Maybe Atlanta goes for him. Do you see anyone offering him 5 yrs/$230 mill fully guaranteed - even if he was a total FA without the tag?
there could be a number of things. Failure to get playmakers, lowball offer compared to the top end deals, and any number of things that have gone wrong behind the scenes.
Questioning his dedication/commitment during the playoffs is fair. But there’s two sides to every story, Ravens aren’t blameless. If he had an agent and held out like this, no one would care, it would be “normal”. This self representing thing really has people making strange comments - good for him if he thinks it will work. We will see what happens.
The Ravens have never had great talent around him , true.
I do not know how you call $133 mill/3 yr deal low ball - it is a VG starting point - and then he gets to work on another contract after three years at age 29. He was offered 5 yrs/$230 mill with $130 gtd and turned it down - that is not low ball. You have to throw Watson deal out - that is an impeccilik contract. The Ravens are a very well run org. They will not sell the future to satisfy a QB that is slowly declining because of his playing style. He clearly will not play on the tag, and I would not blame him at all.
Starting today, he can go out and see what other teams think of him. Maybe Atlanta goes for him. Do you see anyone offering him 5 yrs/$230 mill fully guaranteed - even if he was a total FA without the tag?
Not with, as you say, declining skills and recent injury history
But his injury history lately, seeming lack of commitment to his teammates really disqualify him from a monster contract. I would not want this guy anywhere around my team and most of the Ravens fans I know are tired of this sideshow and are ready to move on.
I think the Ravens are ready to move on too...and just want to get some value out of an asset they control.
he wants a long term commitment with high guarantees. Mahomes, Allen, Wilson, Murray, Watson, and Rodgers all have more than $133m guaranteed in their deals. Dak and Stafford, just under $133m.
That’s 8 QBs, 1/4 of the league, at or above the Ravens offer. When you asses that group some clearly deserve it, some don’t, and Jackson falls somewhere in the middle, IMO. He would 100% get it on the open market, and that’s what he wants. The question now will be can he workout a deal with the Panthers, Texans, Falcons, etc and are they comfortable losing the picks.
Starting today, he can go out and see what other teams think of him. Maybe Atlanta goes for him. Do you see anyone offering him 5 yrs/$230 mill fully guaranteed - even if he was a total FA without the tag?
The other question is which owner(s) have the ability to put all of that guaranteed money up front into escrow, a CBA requirement. The NFL is the only professional league that has this wrinkle. So, you can see why fully guaranteed contracts are so rare. They require a ton of cash.
Jackson officially turned down substantially more than Jones signed for. I don't want to hear him whine about it anymore.
I don't think anything is "official" until a contract is signed and filed with the League and the Union. Also, is 3/$133MM fully guaranteed really that much more than Jones? DJ will get a minimum of $82MM over 2023 and 2024, and he'll probably add at least a few million in incentives and escalators. So if you look at his contract as a guaranteed two-year deal - which it arguably is, with pain to exit in Year 3 - the AAV is very close to Jackson's $44MM. The analysis for 2025 is more complicated; a lot hinges on the escalators and when the partial salary guarantee kicks in. (I've seen conflicting reports on that.)
Still, if one starts, as Clark and most pundits do, from the assumption that Jackson is in a higher echelon than Jones, the difference in compensation should probably be bigger. I'm not endorsing that assumption or rejecting it. Jackson's body of work is undeniably more impressive. As of 2023, Jones has narrowed the gap, and he has allayed some injury concerns while Jackson's have become more pronounced.
As for the lingering suspicion that white QBs are favored in the broader market, Watson's deal seems to offer something of a counterpoint. The Giants might remain somewhat suspect, though. A Black quarterback has started exactly one game in the team's history. The coach and GM were fired the next day. As obsessive fans, we know every detail of the context for those firings. Most observers just see the timeline around Geno's one start. The Maras may be completely color-blind, but if you were looking for a franchise that walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, the Giants would be a duck, at least where QBs are concerned.
he wants a long term commitment with high guarantees. Mahomes, Allen, Wilson, Murray, Watson, and Rodgers all have more than $133m guaranteed in their deals. Dak and Stafford, just under $133m.
That’s 8 QBs, 1/4 of the league, at or above the Ravens offer. When you asses that group some clearly deserve it, some don’t, and Jackson falls somewhere in the middle, IMO. He would 100% get it on the open market, and that’s what he wants. The question now will be can he workout a deal with the Panthers, Texans, Falcons, etc and are they comfortable losing the picks.
FWIW, I did find this on The Sporting News. This is the guaranteed money contracts for the below QB. You made a good point. Lamar(in his mind) should be somewhere in there between Mahomes and Murray. I see why he would want to be in the Murray money area. He is better than Murray.
1 Deshaun Watson $230 million
2 Kyler Murray $189.5 million
3 Russell Wilson $165 million
4 Aaron Rodgers $150.8 million
5 Josh Allen $150 million
6 Patrick Mahomes $141.5 million
7 Matthew Stafford$130 million
8 Dak Prescott $126 million
9 Jared Goff $110 million
10 Carson Wentz $108 million
$150m+ seems to be the going rate for top tier franchise QBs moving forward. The ravens know that, Jackson knows that, and we all do too. The only odd thing is the lack of representation but that’s about it. He wants what everyone else is getting, good for him for fighting for it.
RE: You’ll be adding Hurts and Herbert to that list soon
$150m+ seems to be the going rate for top tier franchise QBs moving forward. The ravens know that, Jackson knows that, and we all do too. The only odd thing is the lack of representation but that’s about it. He wants what everyone else is getting, good for him for fighting for it.
So in reality, Jones deal is cheap...
Yes, it’s relatively cheap for a legit starting QB
of, that's not a good contract for him to sign. He saw Watson get 5 years and 233M gtd. If Burrow was a FA right now, what would he get? In his mind, he's in that upper echelon of QB's so he wants that money. Lamar is def worth 44m a year(I wouldn't give it to him) considering the market, but he wants 5 years and 230M gtd. Therefore 3/133 isn't going to cut it.
This shituation, to me indicates multiple intangibles that are important in a potential SB winning QB, that are not possessed by Jackson.
Plenty of talented athletic QBs have failed bc of not being too smart. Representing yourself in a situation like this (why? To save a few %?) is beyond stupid.
Why is he a moron for thinking the offer is bullshit? I don’t get these kind of comments. Self representing isn’t wise but no criticism of the Ravens here at all?
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Enough to luve comfortably for countless lifetimes. Yeah, but the moron, who is succumbing more and more to injury and has shown his team commitment, needs more..
Why is he a moron for thinking the offer is bullshit? I don’t get these kind of comments. Self representing isn’t wise but no criticism of the Ravens here at all?
Because 133 million GUARANTEED is more than enough given his recent injury history and how he made his business decision not to show for the playoffs. So yes, imo, he’s a fucking moron!
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Enough to luve comfortably for countless lifetimes. Yeah, but the moron, who is succumbing more and more to injury and has shown his team commitment, needs more..
Why is he a moron for thinking the offer is bullshit? I don’t get these kind of comments. Self representing isn’t wise but no criticism of the Ravens here at all?
What would you criticize the Ravens for? Not throwing money away?
I wouldn't call him a moron for wanting guaranteed money, but he is not getting what he wants. Unfortunately for him he won that MVP early, and even though he has not been that good again, he wants to be paid like a perennial MVP. He has basically been in decline since 2019 in nearly every category. Yes, lack of talent around him has hurt. No argument.
But, I cannot blame him for wanting either a VG contract or a better supporting group.
Not offended in the least with Athletes trying to get all they can, as they should. Just HIM, given how he abandoned his team as he did, so he should be thankful they want to pay him even that.
Questioning his dedication/commitment during the playoffs is fair. But there’s two sides to every story, Ravens aren’t blameless. If he had an agent and held out like this, no one would care, it would be “normal”. This self representing thing really has people making strange comments - good for him if he thinks it will work. We will see what happens.
Questioning his dedication/commitment during the playoffs is fair. But there’s two sides to every story, Ravens aren’t blameless. If he had an agent and held out like this, no one would care, it would be “normal”. This self representing thing really has people making strange comments - good for him if he thinks it will work. We will see what happens.
Fair comments and If he wants to rep himself, go for it. I don’t care. Perhaps moron was not an apt word. I prefer Jackass, given the playoff “business decision” that fucked his team royally..I wouldn’twant this guy leading my team, but that’s just me.
Questioning his dedication/commitment during the playoffs is fair. But there’s two sides to every story, Ravens aren’t blameless. If he had an agent and held out like this, no one would care, it would be “normal”. This self representing thing really has people making strange comments - good for him if he thinks it will work. We will see what happens.
The Ravens have never had great talent around him , true.
I do not know how you call $133 mill/3 yr deal low ball - it is a VG starting point - and then he gets to work on another contract after three years at age 29. He was offered 5 yrs/$230 mill with $130 gtd and turned it down - that is not low ball. You have to throw Watson deal out - that is an impeccilik contract. The Ravens are a very well run org. They will not sell the future to satisfy a QB that is slowly declining because of his playing style. He clearly will not play on the tag, and I would not blame him at all.
Starting today, he can go out and see what other teams think of him. Maybe Atlanta goes for him. Do you see anyone offering him 5 yrs/$230 mill fully guaranteed - even if he was a total FA without the tag?
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there could be a number of things. Failure to get playmakers, lowball offer compared to the top end deals, and any number of things that have gone wrong behind the scenes.
Questioning his dedication/commitment during the playoffs is fair. But there’s two sides to every story, Ravens aren’t blameless. If he had an agent and held out like this, no one would care, it would be “normal”. This self representing thing really has people making strange comments - good for him if he thinks it will work. We will see what happens.
The Ravens have never had great talent around him , true.
I do not know how you call $133 mill/3 yr deal low ball - it is a VG starting point - and then he gets to work on another contract after three years at age 29. He was offered 5 yrs/$230 mill with $130 gtd and turned it down - that is not low ball. You have to throw Watson deal out - that is an impeccilik contract. The Ravens are a very well run org. They will not sell the future to satisfy a QB that is slowly declining because of his playing style. He clearly will not play on the tag, and I would not blame him at all.
Starting today, he can go out and see what other teams think of him. Maybe Atlanta goes for him. Do you see anyone offering him 5 yrs/$230 mill fully guaranteed - even if he was a total FA without the tag?
Not with, as you say, declining skills and recent injury history
He does, he’s not equipped to handle these negotiations AT ALL. There are so many reasons why he’s not getting a deal right now but that’s a huge one.
As mentioned, Ravens should move on. He’s not worth a fraction of what he wants
I think the Ravens are ready to move on too...and just want to get some value out of an asset they control.
That’s 8 QBs, 1/4 of the league, at or above the Ravens offer. When you asses that group some clearly deserve it, some don’t, and Jackson falls somewhere in the middle, IMO. He would 100% get it on the open market, and that’s what he wants. The question now will be can he workout a deal with the Panthers, Texans, Falcons, etc and are they comfortable losing the picks.
Starting today, he can go out and see what other teams think of him. Maybe Atlanta goes for him. Do you see anyone offering him 5 yrs/$230 mill fully guaranteed - even if he was a total FA without the tag?
The other question is which owner(s) have the ability to put all of that guaranteed money up front into escrow, a CBA requirement. The NFL is the only professional league that has this wrinkle. So, you can see why fully guaranteed contracts are so rare. They require a ton of cash.
I don't think anything is "official" until a contract is signed and filed with the League and the Union. Also, is 3/$133MM fully guaranteed really that much more than Jones? DJ will get a minimum of $82MM over 2023 and 2024, and he'll probably add at least a few million in incentives and escalators. So if you look at his contract as a guaranteed two-year deal - which it arguably is, with pain to exit in Year 3 - the AAV is very close to Jackson's $44MM. The analysis for 2025 is more complicated; a lot hinges on the escalators and when the partial salary guarantee kicks in. (I've seen conflicting reports on that.)
Still, if one starts, as Clark and most pundits do, from the assumption that Jackson is in a higher echelon than Jones, the difference in compensation should probably be bigger. I'm not endorsing that assumption or rejecting it. Jackson's body of work is undeniably more impressive. As of 2023, Jones has narrowed the gap, and he has allayed some injury concerns while Jackson's have become more pronounced.
As for the lingering suspicion that white QBs are favored in the broader market, Watson's deal seems to offer something of a counterpoint. The Giants might remain somewhat suspect, though. A Black quarterback has started exactly one game in the team's history. The coach and GM were fired the next day. As obsessive fans, we know every detail of the context for those firings. Most observers just see the timeline around Geno's one start. The Maras may be completely color-blind, but if you were looking for a franchise that walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, the Giants would be a duck, at least where QBs are concerned.
That’s 8 QBs, 1/4 of the league, at or above the Ravens offer. When you asses that group some clearly deserve it, some don’t, and Jackson falls somewhere in the middle, IMO. He would 100% get it on the open market, and that’s what he wants. The question now will be can he workout a deal with the Panthers, Texans, Falcons, etc and are they comfortable losing the picks.
FWIW, I did find this on The Sporting News. This is the guaranteed money contracts for the below QB. You made a good point. Lamar(in his mind) should be somewhere in there between Mahomes and Murray. I see why he would want to be in the Murray money area. He is better than Murray.
1 Deshaun Watson $230 million
2 Kyler Murray $189.5 million
3 Russell Wilson $165 million
4 Aaron Rodgers $150.8 million
5 Josh Allen $150 million
6 Patrick Mahomes $141.5 million
7 Matthew Stafford$130 million
8 Dak Prescott $126 million
9 Jared Goff $110 million
10 Carson Wentz $108 million
$150m+ seems to be the going rate for top tier franchise QBs moving forward. The ravens know that, Jackson knows that, and we all do too. The only odd thing is the lack of representation but that’s about it. He wants what everyone else is getting, good for him for fighting for it.
$150m+ seems to be the going rate for top tier franchise QBs moving forward. The ravens know that, Jackson knows that, and we all do too. The only odd thing is the lack of representation but that’s about it. He wants what everyone else is getting, good for him for fighting for it.
So in reality, Jones deal is cheap...
Plenty of talented athletic QBs have failed bc of not being too smart. Representing yourself in a situation like this (why? To save a few %?) is beyond stupid.