What are your thoughts after 2 days?

In comment 16064509 Sean said:

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I got some pushback when I said the Giants were now in a Super Bowl window once they signed Jones. Now they are building around Jones. It reminds me a lot of the 2005 off-season. The talk of the 3-4 year rebuild of last year is no longer the case. Speaking of which, has anyone heard from M.S.? I hope he’s well. He was the leader of the “4 year rebuild” brigade.

That kind of talk is the same BS as it was before the season, that DJ wasn’t our guy

and only need a few more players to get there, will be pretty much disappointed by everything the Giants do in terms of acquiring players and winning games.

Temper your expectations, and you will feel much better about what the Giants FO is doing.

In comment 16064561 Marty in Albany said:

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and only need a few more players to get there, will be pretty much disappointed by everything the Giants do in terms of acquiring players and winning games. Temper your expectations, and you will feel much better about what the Giants FO is doing.

They will probably be in the same vicinity as last year, record wise. Somewhere in the 8-10 win area if healthy.

In comment 16064561 Marty in Albany said:

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and only need a few more players to get there, will be pretty much disappointed by everything the Giants do in terms of acquiring players and winning games. Temper your expectations, and you will feel much better about what the Giants FO is doing.

I’m not saying they’re Super Bowl contenders. But they are absolutely entering a Super Bowl window. The Jones signing and Waller trade confirms this imo.

They now have a ILB and hopefully improved depth on the D interior. With Waller they have a weapon that can stress defenses from different spots.

First goal for me is to win the division. The big thing holding that back is winning the LOS battle.

DE, corner, WR and IOL are the last positions to target for me for now.

I hope JS can knock out two of these with the remaining FA and then hit the rest in the draft.

Waller has all of the same issues as Toney.
He has higher upside but is older and more expensive.
High risk of being a large waste of cap space and a top 100
pick (101) but he may add a lot to the offense if he stays healthy and has not regressed with age and injury

but not in a 'our SB window is now' sense.

This team definitely needed/needs improvement in order to compete for a SB, and that's the goal of any team. Standing pat, and working on having a good draft isn't going to get you there. You need both strong FA and draft. So far, it would not seem that these FA moves are going to leave the Giants in the lurch in a year or two.

i've been waiting years for this team to have a good tight end and a linebacker. they now have both

when waller is right, and i know thats the big if, he's unstoppable and looks like the best player on the field

good job joe schoen

okereke has an edge to him and nacho by all accounts is a trash talker and a nasty player. thibs can be a bit of an asshole too and i like that

you don't win with choir boys on defense. you need guys like that with an attitude. the ravens and steelers have had those kind of guys for years.

Even if they have to cut him next year or the year after, it would not change how I feel about that. The financial and draft capital risk is minimal, basically 1yr 12m and the 100th pick on the downside. Upside is enormous. You potentially have a top 3 TE being paid less than the top 30 pass catchers in football (TE market inefficiency) on a very flexible contract that lets you move money around as you please. If you hit the upside on his contract, you can take down his year 2 number to nothing as DJs contract increases and dummy the last of his 4 years.

In terms of need, I don't think enough fans appreciated the need at pass catcher and the need to get stud in there ASAP. They either needed a number 1 WR or at least an upgrade over Slayton as a vertical threat. You needed a guy that scared DCs and dictated coverage to open things up for our running game and short passing game. You kind of check both boxes with Waller, although I'll admit that calling him a #1 WR is a stretch. However, he can attack all 3 levels like a number one WR and there probably isn't a better vertical seam threat in football *when healthy. You needed that guy this year too, Jones is still under evaluation with that 2nd year out and Waller is a big step towards getting that information.

I also don't think people realized how shitty the Giants options were in achieving that goal of improving the pass catchers. UFA WR market was garbage. The draft is ok at WR, but not one you should feel comfortable heading into naked with a desperate need at the position. Especially since they're almost all realistically complimentary types. Trade market not as robust in years past as the options are really old in Hopkins or in that high end WR2 market in Jeudy. Hopkins is the easy solution and I don't think the draft comp is the issue, the new contract he'd want would be. This is a cleaner solution. In my book, Schoen gets high marks for creativity here.

In comment 16064283 JonC said:

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but think they're paying a premium.

At first blush, that was my reaction, but after seeing what free agents are getting from other teams, it's just inflation shock.

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Glad to see he's showing restraint with WR trades, IOL options, CB, etc.

You may be speaking too soon on this. It's still quite early.

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I think Schoen knows he needs another strong draft, probably two, and seasoning to get where they want to be.

I don't know about that. The Waller trade is much more of a "win now" type of trade than the "rebuild mode" variety (albeit for the cost of only a 3rd round comp pick).

I think they have their sights set firmly on the Super Bowl. Unlike the manic Gettleman, Schoen will take a measured approach (meaning aggressive, but not reckless). And this explains (to me at least) the extension they gave Jones when they had plenty enough cap room to tag him. Even if they believed in Jones, the tag seemed the more prudent approach.

Relax... of and there's a draft coming...

In comment 16064561 Marty in Albany said:

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and only need a few more players to get there, will be pretty much disappointed by everything the Giants do in terms of acquiring players and winning games. Temper your expectations, and you will feel much better about what the Giants FO is doing.

Normally I’d agree and you still could be correct, but I BELIEVE with Dabes, you just never know.

In comment 16064563 Sean said:

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In comment 16064561 Marty in Albany said: Quote: I’m not saying they’re Super Bowl contenders. But they are absolutely entering a Super Bowl window. The Jones signing and Waller trade confirms this imo.

What is the difference?