We all know the WR FA market is thin this year. But the signings have been slow, and below expectations (Meyers, Lazard).
For Slayton, he might have gotten cheap enough to keep. I know he is frustrating, but his positive impact was very significant last season. Not sure he wants to stay, and not sure the Giants want him, but his price might be coming down.
We need to realize he was a 5th round pick for a reason, that said he has done fairly well. He took a pay cut to stay last year and was important to our play off run.
It wouldn’t be exciting for most for him to return but the options are limited.
On a recent Talkin' Giants podcast, Justin and Bobby (who have a connection to Gates) said that the team was only interested in Gates as a rotational/depth piece at a minimum contract. Obviously, Gates thought he could do better, and he did. It is clear that the organization thinks they have better options.
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Schoen wants or if he even wants Slayton back. I found it interesting that Gates left quickly. He must have been told the Giants were not bringing him back.
On a recent Talkin' Giants podcast, Justin and Bobby (who have a connection to Gates) said that the team was only interested in Gates as a rotational/depth piece at a minimum contract. Obviously, Gates thought he could do better, and he did. It is clear that the organization thinks they have better options.
Ah, ha...too bad he went to DC.
Or being offered 3/$16.5M two years removed from his only starting season was a deal he had to jump on.
Plus a million
He's a pure 'what if' player. What if he didn't drop so much, what if he was a slightly better route runner. Couple that with flashes and not having a consistent deep threat in years but him being the closest thing to it, and people get enamored with the what if, but he is who he is as a player at 26.
I don't think he's a terrible receiver he'd be serviceable in a better group, but he's someone we need to move on from at this point.
Could not agree more. Slayton is a depth piece. Yes, he belongs on a roster, but I do not think he is a starting-caliber player. Add on the fact that he is likely going to be overpaid, and I don't think he is in the plans moving forward.
Only when the situation became desperate, did he play.
I think they made a big mistake not letting Gates be the C - but oh well. I trust them right now.
He is a feast of famine player. Not great but not bad. He is at best a number 3. I don't think we make the playoffs without him last year.
Giants’ Darren Waller acquisition allows Joe Schoen to keep an eye on next year’s free-agent WR class - ( New Window )
Don’t underestimate the Waller trade. If healthy he acts as a WR and will open the field for our other WR ‘s.
Let’s get a CB now in FA thst can add depth to the secondary.
For sure. But it seems much of that narrative comes from people looking more to shit on Jones than actually praise Slayton... lol.
From my perspective, He's easy to root for and he's done pretty well for a 5th rounder, so I would like him back as depth at reasonable cost.
Rookie season plus last year. He contributed. Two years out of four?
As far as mediocrity, 3/4 of any team is going to be average at best. As long as you don’t overpay, mediocre players still have value.
We still need a vet at WR before the draft and all of our options are mediocre. It's just a matter of what flavor of mediocre the coaches want. If you get him or Hardman at 5-7ish short term I think that's fine. Chark at 10ish if you want to splurge.
He started the year as the 7th wide receiver on the roster, barely making the cut. If Collin Johnson didn't get hurt, Slayton isn't a NYG.
Early in the season, David Sills and Marcus Johnson were ahead of him.
He played in 16 games with 11 starts, mainly because of the situations with Shepard, Toney, and Golladay and because he finally moved ahead of the other terrible WRs on the roster.
Despite his 11 starts (and 65 percent of all offensive snaps), he only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. Do the math. He also DROPPED seven passes. He also dropped 6 in 2020 and 6 in 2021, an ongoing issue with him.
He should have thrived with Daniel Jones last year, yet a PS pick-up late in the season proved to be the better player.
I would offer him the vet minimum.
We need to realize he was a 5th round pick for a reason, that said he has done fairly well. He took a pay cut to stay last year and was important to our play off run.
It wouldn’t be exciting for most for him to return but the options are limited.
He was great value for a 5th rounder but now it’s about compensation and where that aligns with his ability. I wouldn’t mind him being a Giant but we’ve seen his likely peak and I’d like to explore options with a player that has more upside in the WR3/4 range. Hardman is versatile, Chark has the most upside of anyone, and then there’s rock solid vets like JuJu.
I think we have similar views of Slayton, but different views of the fanbase. Because Slayton's drops are so visible he gets more hate than he deserves. He was critical to the team's success last year, both because he made a number of big plays, and because no one else was opening up things by threatening the go. The fact that we had to rely on him so much shows that are receiving corps did not rise to the level of mediocrity. In terms of impact we likely lose the following games if we are starting David Sills instead of him: Green Bay, Jacksonville, Houston, 1st Wahington. Given that he didn't play the first few games, that is a significant impact. Not because he was great. But because he was pretty good. It is possible to understand he is not a very good receiver and still believe he had a very substantive impact on the Giants last year.
This was a unit void of talent and they played admirably despite their shortcomings. But only one of those guys has the upside we need moving forward and thankfully we have him for one more very cheap year.
He started the year as the 7th wide receiver on the roster, barely making the cut. If Collin Johnson didn't get hurt, Slayton isn't a NYG.
Early in the season, David Sills and Marcus Johnson were ahead of him.
He played in 16 games with 11 starts, mainly because of the situations with Shepard, Toney, and Golladay and because he finally moved ahead of the other terrible WRs on the roster.
Despite his 11 starts (and 65 percent of all offensive snaps), he only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. Do the math. He also DROPPED seven passes. He also dropped 6 in 2020 and 6 in 2021, an ongoing issue with him.
He should have thrived with Daniel Jones last year, yet a PS pick-up late in the season proved to be the better player.
I would offer him the vet minimum.
^This. One of his drops nearly cost us a playoff victory. He also doesn't play ST, which is imperative for a fifth or sixth WR. I would nonetheless probably offer him a little more than the vet minimum because of his speed and already knowing the offense. My guess is the Giants have done that but he wants to see if he can get more in the open market.
He had only two touchdowns, one in Week 7 and one in Week 10. He didn't score in the last 9 games of the season (7 regular season and 2 playoff games).
But this is a bottom-line business. It's my same issue with Sterling Shepard. Great guy, but just not productive.
The Giants need to do better if they are going to be a serious playoff contender.
They gotta draft or trade if they are insisting on acquiring WR this year.
The better play is waiting it out - which tagging SB and trading for Waller might allow them to do...which is fine IMO.
A deep outside receiver who scores twice?
How Giants fans have quickly forgotten Amani Toomer, Plaxico Burress, Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks, etc.
Hell, I'd take Chris Calloway over Slayton.
Hardman is smaller and hasn’t put up production in KC. Campbell misses more games than he plays and is a slot.
I feel like a trade (Jeudy, Davis) or retaining Slayton (and drafting a WR early) would be the best options.
Hardman is smaller and hasn’t put up production in KC. Campbell misses more games than he plays and is a slot.
I feel like a trade (Jeudy, Davis) or retaining Slayton (and drafting a WR early) would be the best options.
looking backwards slayton has been less consistent than hardman but more explosive. any player movement is about projecting forward. there are reasons why both players were higher picks than slayton, and its that he had big problems dropping the ball at auburn same as he's had with nyg.
we need to remember this fo/staff was ready to cut him in september. he went on to have a more productive season than expected but i think it's safe to say he's not the type of player they are looking to add more of.
Give me some good gunners backing up the top 3 WRs. I'm not sure a team can afford to keep a backup WR who doesn't play specials.
This. Lazard is a nice piece, good hands and a willing blocker, but he’s not worth that contract. Jets better hope they get AR, or else what a waste of money.
On Slayton, we can agree that he both outplayed his draft slot, and is a flawed player we can easily move on from. If Schoen decides to bring him back, I can live with it, but I won’t be bothered if he doesn’t.