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Mecole Hardman had surgery a couple of weeks ago

Andy in Boston : 3/15/2023 8:28 am
Not sure if this has been discussed here, but for those who are interested in Hardman, including me, this could be an issue and the reason for Hardman not signing yet with anyone yet. It's a core injury....not sure how serious, but I'm sure teams are being a bit cautious.
surgery on Feb 23 - ( New Window )
Is it a hernia? If so that wouldn’t deter me  
UConn4523 : 3/15/2023 8:30 am : link
from signing him, easy surgery and recovery.
I still think he is a target for NYG  
Rjanyg : 3/15/2023 8:36 am : link
He fits the scheme and help with returns.
Hardman would be a nice add  
Chris684 : 3/15/2023 8:38 am : link
Draft pick, Hardman, Wandale, Hodgins plus Waller and Belly.

That’s a really solid group provided they can stay healthy of course.
RE: Is it a hernia? If so that wouldn’t deter me  
Andy in Boston : 3/15/2023 8:39 am : link
In comment 16064576 UConn4523 said:
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from signing him, easy surgery and recovery.


“Abdominal surgery “
RE: RE: Is it a hernia? If so that wouldn’t deter me  
section125 : 3/15/2023 8:42 am : link
In comment 16064584 Andy in Boston said:
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from signing him, easy surgery and recovery.



“Abdominal surgery “


Sures sounds like a hernia...
The injury  
Andy in Boston : 3/15/2023 8:47 am : link
Plagued him the later part of last season
Yeah, the wording is so cryptic  
UConn4523 : 3/15/2023 9:04 am : link
for something that sounds incredibly routine.
and SportTrac puts his value at $10.3 million a year  
Andy in Boston : 3/15/2023 9:40 am : link
no way in hell does he even get close to that...
Didn’t produce with the best qb in the game  
Ned In Atlanta : 3/15/2023 9:42 am : link
And injured. One year prove it deal, sure
RE: Hardman would be a nice add  
Kmed6000 : 3/15/2023 9:44 am : link
In comment 16064581 Chris684 said:
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Draft pick, Hardman, Wandale, Hodgins plus Waller and Belly.

That’s a really solid group provided they can stay healthy of course.


I disagree, that group is very weak. Hardman isn't very good, Robinson hasn't proven anything, Hodgins had a good half a year and Waller is a big injury risk. They need more.
RE: RE: Hardman would be a nice add  
BeggarsBanquet : 3/15/2023 9:48 am : link
In comment 16064673 Kmed6000 said:
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Draft pick, Hardman, Wandale, Hodgins plus Waller and Belly.

That’s a really solid group provided they can stay healthy of course.



I disagree, that group is very weak. Hardman isn't very good, Robinson hasn't proven anything, Hodgins had a good half a year and Waller is a big injury risk. They need more.


It's a useful group but there's no #1.
RE: RE: Hardman would be a nice add  
Eric on Li : 3/15/2023 9:52 am : link
In comment 16064673 Kmed6000 said:
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Draft pick, Hardman, Wandale, Hodgins plus Waller and Belly.

That’s a really solid group provided they can stay healthy of course.



I disagree, that group is very weak. Hardman isn't very good, Robinson hasn't proven anything, Hodgins had a good half a year and Waller is a big injury risk. They need more.


they would need more but the draft is where you need to add the most 'talent' to weak positions, especially premium positions.

waller and hodgins should/could each get over 100 targets this year. robinson would possibly be in that group if not for the health question. hardman has been a 40-80 target player in KC and has said publicly he wants to sign somewhere he can get a bigger role because he's produced any time he's gotten more targets. who knows what you get healthwise from shepard, but when healthy he can play.

it's still be a core need in the draft but even with just any 3 of those 5 healthy they'd have enough quality to put a better starting group on the field than last year even before draft.
I didn't say it wasn't better than last year,  
Kmed6000 : 3/15/2023 9:53 am : link
but that's a really low bar lol. That group still isn't good enough.
RE: I didn't say it wasn't better than last year,  
Eric on Li : 3/15/2023 9:57 am : link
In comment 16064694 Kmed6000 said:
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but that's a really low bar lol. That group still isn't good enough.


they arent good enough because they dont have a dynamic threat at WR. you arent getting a veteran like that in FA or in a trade for a day 2 pick without significant risks which is probably why they chose waller.

add a christian watson or george pickens and that group looks a lot better, and that's the type of player we need to hope they find on day 1 or 2 of the draft.
I don't think they chose Waller over the WR.  
Kmed6000 : 3/15/2023 10:05 am : link
I think they are still looking. They knew they needed help at TE too.
RE: Didn’t produce with the best qb in the game  
ZogZerg : 3/15/2023 10:08 am : link
In comment 16064669 Ned In Atlanta said:
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And injured. One year prove it deal, sure


This^
There were multiple times  
Kmed6000 : 3/15/2023 10:11 am : link
when they had injuries at the WR position and they needed Hardman to step up and he didn't. Not only the best QB in football, but arguably the best offensive mind in Reid and they couldn't get Hardman to produce consistently.

You're not that guy pal.

RE: Is it a hernia? If so that wouldn’t deter me  
Ivan15 : 3/15/2023 10:14 am : link
In comment 16064576 UConn4523 said:
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from signing him, easy surgery and recovery.
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Recovery from core injuries have a way of dragging out much longer than anyone should expect.
RE: I don't think they chose Waller over the WR.  
Eric on Li : 3/15/2023 10:14 am : link
In comment 16064716 Kmed6000 said:
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I think they are still looking. They knew they needed help at TE too.


there is only so much cap room. id be really surprised if they add another 10m+ aav wr (or one of the guys on rookie deals like aiyuk or jeudy who id expect to cost a FRP or equivalent). i think okereke and waller were their 2 big splash moves.

i think the move is to add a value 2nd/3rd WR who can take the top off and can also add something on specials, along with a high pick in draft.
no wr this year in fa. use the draft for wr  
floridagiantsfan : 3/15/2023 10:31 am : link
would rather they spend remaining dollars on a quality guard like the one from phily
RE: RE: I don't think they chose Waller over the WR.  
Kmed6000 : 3/15/2023 10:42 am : link
In comment 16064747 Eric on Li said:
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I think they are still looking. They knew they needed help at TE too.



there is only so much cap room. id be really surprised if they add another 10m+ aav wr (or one of the guys on rookie deals like aiyuk or jeudy who id expect to cost a FRP or equivalent). i think okereke and waller were their 2 big splash moves.

i think the move is to add a value 2nd/3rd WR who can take the top off and can also add something on specials, along with a high pick in draft.


Possibly. Would depend on their opinions of Williams and Jackson, IMO. They can easily free up money extending them both.
RE: RE: Is it a hernia? If so that wouldn’t deter me  
UConn4523 : 3/15/2023 10:45 am : link
In comment 16064746 Ivan15 said:
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from signing him, easy surgery and recovery.

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Recovery from core injuries have a way of dragging out much longer than anyone should expect.


Anything can happen but football activities don’t start for months. Unless it’s something else than he should have a 100% recovery and be ready before the summer.
RE: RE: RE: I don't think they chose Waller over the WR.  
Eric on Li : 3/15/2023 10:46 am : link
In comment 16064844 Kmed6000 said:
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I think they are still looking. They knew they needed help at TE too.



there is only so much cap room. id be really surprised if they add another 10m+ aav wr (or one of the guys on rookie deals like aiyuk or jeudy who id expect to cost a FRP or equivalent). i think okereke and waller were their 2 big splash moves.

i think the move is to add a value 2nd/3rd WR who can take the top off and can also add something on specials, along with a high pick in draft.



Possibly. Would depend on their opinions of Williams and Jackson, IMO. They can easily free up money extending them both.


i think they will do that but i think they are going to use that freed up money to cover a bunch of depth upgrades. cb, another front 7, they still need to pay felciano and love.

like i said i think we are seeing them go from bigger moves down the food chain so i dont see them big footing the waller move unless something unexpected comes along (like hopkins or sutton being available way cheaper than expected for a day 3 pick). that is a smart way to play it because i think both of those guys are candidates to end up sort of in limbo just like bradberry last year and could end up being steals for someone around the draft.
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