Tim Graham
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I am not joking. I already have received a DM from Daniel Bellinger's father, who is upset that I wrote Darren Waller is much better than his son. Link - ( New Window )
of him publicizing it--that is without question. So, Bellinger's dad can't really complain. With all that said, the writer should be more professional than to engage with a father sticking up for his son. You kind of just chalk that one up as the nature of writing commentary and analysis.
Move by the writer, but Mr Bellinger has to grow a pair. Daniel doesnt need protection from the scary media.
Family members have contacted me over the years, sometimes upset. It's family.
I understand him being upset, but family members of players need to understand the media are going to talk about the player, compare them, and sometimes speak negative of them. You dont need to go mad dogging every talking head that says something you don’t agree with. It comes with the territory. The guy said waller was better, which he absolutely is! Accept it.
Or the "professional writer" who makes public a private conversation because he feel he's being criticized by a family member for defending his son?
The writer for making it public. The father can't let like this stuff bother him and the writer has got to keep a private response private. The Dad doesn't have the audience the writer does.
He messaged this guy twice in 3 hours, but you’d think with that shitty caption Bellingers dad fired off 100 messages. Maybe there’s more but I’d vote on the writer lying.
It was pretty mild, and strictly speaking, he kinda did have a point. he simply said Wallers 1st 3 years combined didn't match what his son did his rookie year. he wasn't nasty or smarmy, it certainly wasn't like Bellingers dad was being an asshole.
The writer was a combative cock. I saw nothing wrong with what Bellingers dad wrote. even put a heart emoji.I am not a bellinger homer. Glad we signed Waller, this writer is an asshole. made like he was being harrangued or stalked. He wasn't. He sent a brieg blurb making a point that is factual, nothing more. Graham is the one throwing a tantrum, not Mr. Bellinger.
Bellinger contributed legit production as a rookie in the NFL. Waller did not.
Waller should be better, he's a 6-7 year vet already.
BEllinger has a place with NYG and shouldn't worry. There's more than enough room for both TEs and Waller aint getting an younger. Hernandez and Gronk did it. Bavaro and Mowatt (and eventually Cross) did it. Ertz and Goddert did it.
Online outlets like The Athletic generally encourage their writers to be active on social media, develop a following, and generate clicks. If you're a writer for them, to really do that, you have to be provocative. You have to have hot takes. And if you have exclusive tidbits of information, you have to exploit them. You have to get people to post about your tweets on fan boards like this one.
But if you're doing that, yeah, you often end up being a dick. And possibly burning sources.
But it's his job to write about football. But unless he wrote some provocative or nasty things about Bellinger in his article, it's whack for Bellinger Sr. to act like it's a personal attack and go out of his way to contact & question the writer.
How many people here would appreciate a 3rd party showing up and giving you their unsolicited opinion on how you're doing your job. Would you go up to a grocery store clerk and criticize how they were stocking a shelf? "You put the organic bananas in with the Dole bananas, stop embarrassing yourself."
Try that and I guarantee you're going to be talked about in the break room or on social media. Do you guys only share stories or happenings from your life after you've gotten express permission from the other party?
Bellinger's dad made a surprisingly reasoned point.
He did his homework, and correctly noted that Waller was on his second team and fifth season (four active) before he did anything in the NFL. Waller was sideline by substance abuse, and was such a non-factor at tight end that the Ravens, [i]who had drafted him as a wide receiver[i/], went through Maxx Williams (second round bust), Dennis Pitta (comeback vet), Ben Watson (another comeback vet) and moved on to Hayden Hurst (first round bust) and Mark Andrews (third round boom) while Waller was there.
Anyway, it's a dumb comparison. Waller and Bellinger complement each other. When Waller was healthy in Oakland, the Raiders had a second TE on the field about 60% of the time; and no disrespect to 38-year-old Jason Witten, but neither he nor Justin Moreau offered as much as Daniel Bellinger.
once he did he lost control of it. Nothing good can come from him sending it. His son is a public sports person. People are going to write things about him. Some may not be pleasant for people close to him to read. Can you imagine the s**t storm if Daniel Jones' father had sent something like that to a writer. It's bad business for his son.
they should expect fans to respond to things they've written or posted. They can engage or not, but if not, they should simply ignore. Unless Bellinger's father said something obnoxious or profane (which I didn't see, though I didn't bother going through much), if this guy doesn't want to discuss things with him, there's no reason to then do anything more than ignore him.
I do however think it's silly, and no-win, for Bellinger's dad to try to argue with someone who he thinks underrates his kid. (And if he's doing it dm's rather than just engaging normally in twitter, that seems particularly unnecessary).
L's all around, they should both move on to something productive, like arguing on social media about who wore it best at the Oscars.
His dad didn’t even say anything bad in the DM to warrant that kind of response from the writer. Looks like he’s just seeking attention and he’s getting what he wanted.
Funny how most fans are siding with Bellinger's dad
Online outlets like The Athletic generally encourage their writers to be active on social media, develop a following, and generate clicks. If you're a writer for them, to really do that, you have to be provocative. You have to have hot takes. And if you have exclusive tidbits of information, you have to exploit them. You have to get people to post about your tweets on fan boards like this one.
But if you're doing that, yeah, you often end up being a dick. And possibly burning sources.
No, you have to be provocative if you have no actual talent, insights, or connections. If you have any of those 3 you don't have to be an asshole. Lacking them, you do.....
I think writers should assume parents love their children
And some will go out of their way to be protective. If you are the writer just deal with it . Even Harry Truman, president of the United States couldn’t take criticism of his daughter. I always found his letter in the link below, funny but so real. Parents love their children and some would go to any length to protect them, even if it subjects them to ridicule.
The writer is a professional with no emotions involved
here. Even if the dad has a point, is he going to behind the scenes try to convince every reporter who expresses this opinion? And to not let it go (guy said it went on for hours) is dumb.
The reporter engaging beyond “I understand your position” is silly and making it public is a dick move.
But it's his job to write about football. But unless he wrote some provocative or nasty things about Bellinger in his article, it's whack for Bellinger Sr. to act like it's a personal attack and go out of his way to contact & question the writer.
How many people here would appreciate a 3rd party showing up and giving you their unsolicited opinion on how you're doing your job. Would you go up to a grocery store clerk and criticize how they were stocking a shelf? "You put the organic bananas in with the Dole bananas, stop embarrassing yourself."
Try that and I guarantee you're going to be talked about in the break room or on social media. Do you guys only share stories or happenings from your life after you've gotten express permission from the other party?
Totally missing the point. Way to go with your TL;DR post though.
But it's his job to write about football. But unless he wrote some provocative or nasty things about Bellinger in his article, it's whack for Bellinger Sr. to act like it's a personal attack and go out of his way to contact & question the writer.
How many people here would appreciate a 3rd party showing up and giving you their unsolicited opinion on how you're doing your job. Would you go up to a grocery store clerk and criticize how they were stocking a shelf? "You put the organic bananas in with the Dole bananas, stop embarrassing yourself."
Try that and I guarantee you're going to be talked about in the break room or on social media. Do you guys only share stories or happenings from your life after you've gotten express permission from the other party?
Totally missing the point. Way to go with your TL;DR post though.
So was my post too long to read or did it miss the point? Those are mutually exclusive.
It's not hard to be snarky on the internet, except apparently when you try it.
RE: Funny how most fans are siding with Bellinger's dad
And every single one of you would have been out for blood if it was Eli Apple and his mother.
Probably the same reason why Alex Bachman is a fan favorite every training camp.
That’s an idiotic opinion. Apples Mom put it all out there herself publicly. In this case the writer is posting screenshots of private messages from Bellinger’s Dad. Pretty simple difference
Obviously we don't know what Bellinger's dad said. If he was out of line, then that's a different story. But, I didn't get that impression. He replied privately to a criticism of his kid. So what? The writer was immature and dick for making it public.
Plus, I think Bellinger is actually still the TE1 on this team because he can block a lot better than anyone expected. Waller is a nice addition, but he won't be on the field for all snaps.
here. Even if the dad has a point, is he going to behind the scenes try to convince every reporter who expresses this opinion? And to not let it go (guy said it went on for hours) is dumb.
The reporter engaging beyond “I understand your position” is silly and making it public is a dick move.
The only portion of the DMs that the reporter posted showed only two messages from the dad 2.5 hours apart from each other (with almost immediate responses to both by the reporter). So I'm thinking "DMimg me for almost 4 hours" doesn't really mean what he wants us to think it means.
by both, honestly.
100%.
Family members have contacted me over the years, sometimes upset. It's family.
And yes a dick move by the writer. Making a story out of a non story.
Even thought i think Bellingers dad is out of line.....this is wack by the writer.
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Move by the writer, but Mr Bellinger has to grow a pair. Daniel doesnt need protection from the scary media.
Family members have contacted me over the years, sometimes upset. It's family.
I understand him being upset, but family members of players need to understand the media are going to talk about the player, compare them, and sometimes speak negative of them. You dont need to go mad dogging every talking head that says something you don’t agree with. It comes with the territory. The guy said waller was better, which he absolutely is! Accept it.
The dad didn't publicly go after the writer. He DM'ed him. And the writer chose to make it public.
The dad protecting his son (privately).
Or the "professional writer" who makes public a private conversation because he feel he's being criticized by a family member for defending his son?
Agreed. If I was him I would even council the dad on how it’s a slippery slope to go down this route. Both should stfu
The dad protecting his son (privately).
Or the "professional writer" who makes public a private conversation because he feel he's being criticized by a family member for defending his son?
This isn’t Duggan
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But the guy can be smarmy
This isn’t Duggan
Oh crap - thanks for the heads up. I saw three letters and a G and skimmed it. Apologies to Dan - I’ve made an ass of myself.
I have never heard of Tim Graham.
The dad protecting his son (privately).
Or the "professional writer" who makes public a private conversation because he feel he's being criticized by a family member for defending his son?
Correct - but the writer becoming the story is the new normal it seems. Elevate profile at any cost.
The writer was a combative cock. I saw nothing wrong with what Bellingers dad wrote. even put a heart emoji.I am not a bellinger homer. Glad we signed Waller, this writer is an asshole. made like he was being harrangued or stalked. He wasn't. He sent a brieg blurb making a point that is factual, nothing more. Graham is the one throwing a tantrum, not Mr. Bellinger.
Waller should be better, he's a 6-7 year vet already.
BEllinger has a place with NYG and shouldn't worry. There's more than enough room for both TEs and Waller aint getting an younger. Hernandez and Gronk did it. Bavaro and Mowatt (and eventually Cross) did it. Ertz and Goddert did it.
agree with that, BTW I love the papa bear standing up for his son, and I do think Belly is the best TE on the roster going into the season.
But if you're doing that, yeah, you often end up being a dick. And possibly burning sources.
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How many people here would appreciate a 3rd party showing up and giving you their unsolicited opinion on how you're doing your job. Would you go up to a grocery store clerk and criticize how they were stocking a shelf? "You put the organic bananas in with the Dole bananas, stop embarrassing yourself."
Try that and I guarantee you're going to be talked about in the break room or on social media. Do you guys only share stories or happenings from your life after you've gotten express permission from the other party?
Anyway, it's a dumb comparison. Waller and Bellinger complement each other. When Waller was healthy in Oakland, the Raiders had a second TE on the field about 60% of the time; and no disrespect to 38-year-old Jason Witten, but neither he nor Justin Moreau offered as much as Daniel Bellinger.
I do however think it's silly, and no-win, for Bellinger's dad to try to argue with someone who he thinks underrates his kid. (And if he's doing it dm's rather than just engaging normally in twitter, that seems particularly unnecessary).
L's all around, they should both move on to something productive, like arguing on social media about who wore it best at the Oscars.
Probably the same reason why Alex Bachman is a fan favorite every training camp.
But if you're doing that, yeah, you often end up being a dick. And possibly burning sources.
The writer is a professional with no emotions involved
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The reporter engaging beyond “I understand your position” is silly and making it public is a dick move.
How many people here would appreciate a 3rd party showing up and giving you their unsolicited opinion on how you're doing your job. Would you go up to a grocery store clerk and criticize how they were stocking a shelf? "You put the organic bananas in with the Dole bananas, stop embarrassing yourself."
Try that and I guarantee you're going to be talked about in the break room or on social media. Do you guys only share stories or happenings from your life after you've gotten express permission from the other party?
Totally missing the point. Way to go with your TL;DR post though.
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But it's his job to write about football. But unless he wrote some provocative or nasty things about Bellinger in his article, it's whack for Bellinger Sr. to act like it's a personal attack and go out of his way to contact & question the writer.
How many people here would appreciate a 3rd party showing up and giving you their unsolicited opinion on how you're doing your job. Would you go up to a grocery store clerk and criticize how they were stocking a shelf? "You put the organic bananas in with the Dole bananas, stop embarrassing yourself."
Try that and I guarantee you're going to be talked about in the break room or on social media. Do you guys only share stories or happenings from your life after you've gotten express permission from the other party?
Totally missing the point. Way to go with your TL;DR post though.
So was my post too long to read or did it miss the point? Those are mutually exclusive.
It's not hard to be snarky on the internet, except apparently when you try it.
Probably the same reason why Alex Bachman is a fan favorite every training camp.
Only a racist thinks this way.
Sad.
Um. Maybe 70 years ago? These days. Sadly they think they are more important that neuro surgeons.
The "reporter" on the other hand appears to be a clickbait cockroach hack. Trying to pay bills by starting shit. True bottom of the barrel scumbag.
Probably the same reason why Alex Bachman is a fan favorite every training camp.
That’s an idiotic opinion. Apples Mom put it all out there herself publicly. In this case the writer is posting screenshots of private messages from Bellinger’s Dad. Pretty simple difference
Plus, I think Bellinger is actually still the TE1 on this team because he can block a lot better than anyone expected. Waller is a nice addition, but he won't be on the field for all snaps.
The reporter engaging beyond “I understand your position” is silly and making it public is a dick move.
The only portion of the DMs that the reporter posted showed only two messages from the dad 2.5 hours apart from each other (with almost immediate responses to both by the reporter). So I'm thinking "DMimg me for almost 4 hours" doesn't really mean what he wants us to think it means.