Report: Denver asking for a 1 (plus) for Jeudy

In comment 16065589 Kmed6000 said:

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AAV of 17.5 which puts him around 20th in the NFL. Dude was on pace for 120 catches and 1400 yards last year. Average players are getting 10-12M per year. Cmon now.

This is why I would trade for Hop. But we don't know for sure if Hop wants a new contract. Hate talking about the money, but yea it can be a factor if we're debating over which WR to deal for. If I knew Hop was good with his current deal i'd be all over him right now. At that contract he's a bargain.

In comment 16065591 Kmed6000 said:

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that isn't out of the ordinary, look at the guys stats. He's good for 110/1400 every single year, including last year.

Plus they want out of the contract so he probably costs a 3. Can we afford the big contract though with all the things we may still want to do? I love the idea of Hopkins on this team. He still has it.

Hopkins
Waller
Hodgins
1st or 2nd rd WR
Bellinger
Robinson
James
Johnson
Washington

Transformed WR/TE room

maybe they're hoping the market settles on a 2 and more at least.

But not sure I want Schoen to give up that much either, as the crowd says

could be that prime example of overstating or overrating age/youth and understating actual production. Hopkins is a flat out superstar WR even if he's not going to take the top off a defense. He's arguably the best outside chain mover in the NFL. And he's not exactly chopped liver in terms of big play capability.

Jeudy is ok. HE's still young and came into the NFL as a gifted route runner. Maybe he develops into another Reggie Wayne or pro bowl player but he is now 3 full years into his NFL career and he still isn't there.

If I am Denver I am not trading this guy unless I am damn sure he's a finished product or more trouble than he's worth. Seems concerning to me that he's on the block. Why.

In comment 16065598 Kmed6000 said:

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In comment 16065594 The Mike said: Quote: In comment 16065580 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 16065559 The Mike said: Quote: These four rookie contracts, especially in the context of the DJ contract, are way too important to this team now. Jeudy not worth giving any of these four picks. Hopkins is a much better option since he can likely be had with similar compensation as the Amari Cooper trade last year between the Cowboys and Browns: two fifths and a sixth round swap. If they can't get DHop for this type of trade, then Corey Davis would be a very good alternative when he becomes a free agent once he is Jet-tisoned. So trade for an over 30 Hopkins and assume his $35 million or so left(?) on his contract? I am not worried about his age whatsoever. He is in peak shape and basically had most of last year off. Plaxico was at his best between 2008-2011 when he was 31-34. The price is the cost of doing business if you want an elite receiver. JuJu Smith-Schuster just got roughly that amount from the Patriots and he is far from elite. DHop's cost is frankly a steal. And to me there is no comparison between Hopkins and Jeudy. One is a top five NFL wide receiver and future hall of famer and the other is an oft injured above average talent who has yet to live up to his potential. One can argue that the price is way below what it should be for an elite WR. Elite WR's are vital in todays NFL and we could get one for a 2nd or 3rd??? Not only that, we can get him on a favorable contract(Arizona already paid the SB). No brainer.

Kmed, that’s assuming he’s still considered elite. I guess we’ll find out soon enough

In comment 16065580 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 16065559 The Mike said: Quote: These four rookie contracts, especially in the context of the DJ contract, are way too important to this team now. Jeudy not worth giving any of these four picks. Hopkins is a much better option since he can likely be had with similar compensation as the Amari Cooper trade last year between the Cowboys and Browns: two fifths and a sixth round swap. If they can't get DHop for this type of trade, then Corey Davis would be a very good alternative when he becomes a free agent once he is Jet-tisoned. So trade for an over 30 Hopkins and assume his $35 million or so left(?) on his contract?

I'd keep those 4 picks and leave Hopkins where he is. Draft a WR, two if you can find value. Don't forget, after the draft a bunch of guys are going to be released. Happens every year.

In comment 16065621 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 16065598 Kmed6000 said: Quote: In comment 16065594 The Mike said: Quote: In comment 16065580 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 16065559 The Mike said: Quote: These four rookie contracts, especially in the context of the DJ contract, are way too important to this team now. Jeudy not worth giving any of these four picks. Hopkins is a much better option since he can likely be had with similar compensation as the Amari Cooper trade last year between the Cowboys and Browns: two fifths and a sixth round swap. If they can't get DHop for this type of trade, then Corey Davis would be a very good alternative when he becomes a free agent once he is Jet-tisoned. So trade for an over 30 Hopkins and assume his $35 million or so left(?) on his contract? I am not worried about his age whatsoever. He is in peak shape and basically had most of last year off. Plaxico was at his best between 2008-2011 when he was 31-34. The price is the cost of doing business if you want an elite receiver. JuJu Smith-Schuster just got roughly that amount from the Patriots and he is far from elite. DHop's cost is frankly a steal. And to me there is no comparison between Hopkins and Jeudy. One is a top five NFL wide receiver and future hall of famer and the other is an oft injured above average talent who has yet to live up to his potential. One can argue that the price is way below what it should be for an elite WR. Elite WR's are vital in todays NFL and we could get one for a 2nd or 3rd??? Not only that, we can get him on a favorable contract(Arizona already paid the SB). No brainer. Kmed, that’s assuming he’s still considered elite. I guess we’ll find out soon enough

He was still elite last year. If you take is numbers for half a year, he was the same guy hes always been. 110/1400

then I’m in

In comment 16065533 ColHowPepper said:

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In comment 16065493 bwitz said: Quote: In comment 16065474 Spider43 said: Quote: Time for the clamor for him here to die down already. We'll get our own number one at # 25.///// This. "This" is absurd. Neither JS nor certainly you (or Spider) have any idea who will be available when it comes to our turn to pick at 25. Whatever WR is there may be a row or three below JS's and BB's BPA at that point. Denver has its own mess to fix and doesn't want to sell low.

Ok. Sure.

with Hopkins is his lockerroom fit. He's def a type A type of guy and we have a really good lockerroom.

Jeudy averaging 14.6 YPC--he had a dip in 21 with 12.3--in 2020 he was at 16.5 and in 2022 he averaged 14.5 YPC.

Hopkins has averaged 12.2 in 2020, 13.6 and finally 11.2 in 2022 when the entire team quit and I was the QB. Hop had 17 TDs these last 3 years. Jeudy had 9. Both Wrs missed time.

To me the safer and better option is Hopkins. And you're probably not on the hook for as much long term money because let's be honest, if NYG trade for Jeudy he will want a new deal this time next year.

In comment 16065626 Kmed6000 said:

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In comment 16065621 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 16065598 Kmed6000 said: Quote: In comment 16065594 The Mike said: Quote: In comment 16065580 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 16065559 The Mike said: Quote: These four rookie contracts, especially in the context of the DJ contract, are way too important to this team now. Jeudy not worth giving any of these four picks. Hopkins is a much better option since he can likely be had with similar compensation as the Amari Cooper trade last year between the Cowboys and Browns: two fifths and a sixth round swap. If they can't get DHop for this type of trade, then Corey Davis would be a very good alternative when he becomes a free agent once he is Jet-tisoned. So trade for an over 30 Hopkins and assume his $35 million or so left(?) on his contract? I am not worried about his age whatsoever. He is in peak shape and basically had most of last year off. Plaxico was at his best between 2008-2011 when he was 31-34. The price is the cost of doing business if you want an elite receiver. JuJu Smith-Schuster just got roughly that amount from the Patriots and he is far from elite. DHop's cost is frankly a steal. And to me there is no comparison between Hopkins and Jeudy. One is a top five NFL wide receiver and future hall of famer and the other is an oft injured above average talent who has yet to live up to his potential. One can argue that the price is way below what it should be for an elite WR. Elite WR's are vital in todays NFL and we could get one for a 2nd or 3rd??? Not only that, we can get him on a favorable contract(Arizona already paid the SB). No brainer. Kmed, that’s assuming he’s still considered elite. I guess we’ll find out soon enough He was still elite last year. If you take is numbers for half a year, he was the same guy hes always been. 110/1400

Except he didn’t put up those numbers. Because he was suspend for PED use. Why was he using PEDs? Because he’s getting older. No thank you.

In comment 16065630 Kmed6000 said:

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with Hopkins is his lockerroom fit. He's def a type A type of guy and we have a really good lockerroom.

I think Dabes would love a Type A, as long as he wasn’t a media whore like OBJ, imv

Schoen can find another way imv.

Worse case the sign the best FA available. Hopkins, OBJ, etc.

See how the draft falls but don't reach. Rather get a impact D guy than a questionable WR.

Sometimes you just have to be better somewhere else as you are building your roster.

Great D and balanced O will win a lot of games. At some point they will need a true number one.

suddenly, they want a #1 in the deal.

#nodeal

In comment 16065617 djm said:

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could be that prime example of overstating or overrating age/youth and understating actual production. Hopkins is a flat out superstar WR even if he's not going to take the top off a defense. He's arguably the best outside chain mover in the NFL. And he's not exactly chopped liver in terms of big play capability. Jeudy is ok. HE's still young and came into the NFL as a gifted route runner. Maybe he develops into another Reggie Wayne or pro bowl player but he is now 3 full years into his NFL career and he still isn't there. If I am Denver I am not trading this guy unless I am damn sure he's a finished product or more trouble than he's worth. Seems concerning to me that he's on the block. Why.

It could be as simply as cap allocation. They have a ton of high cap players and are going to be in cap hell. His 5th year option would be $13m and they may not be able to pay that. Why not get something for him would be the thinking. Also, I wouldn't touch DHop at this point. He's at the back half of the career and he's going to be less effective just due to age. Let another organization deal with a high maintenance declining WR in their locker room. No thanks.

In comment 16065630 Kmed6000 said:

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with Hopkins is his lockerroom fit. He's def a type A type of guy and we have a really good lockerroom.

And he's on the other side of 30. But it's a legit point about his personality. This is a guy on track to be a first ballot HoFer and he's going to want the ball.

The good thing, too, is DH has been productive with great QBs, average QBs, and near garbage level QBs.

If the players on the board at 25 - or 57, or 89 - are more attractive to a team like Denver or Arizona than they are to the Giants, that might help nudge both sides toward closing a last-second deal.

for NYG.

Recently the WRs to go for a 1st recently is small isn’t it? I know Brown did, Adams, and Jeudy isn’t either of those.

I could see something happening draft night

they're like gold.

In comment 16065663 JonC said:

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they're like gold.

I wouldnt even trade a 2. I'd rather draft a player.

In comment 16065665 ArcadeSlumlord said:

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In comment 16065663 JonC said: Quote: they're like gold. I wouldnt even trade a 2. I'd rather draft a player.

The Giants need an outside WR that can come in and be a factor right away. I personally think Jeudy is a safer bet than the WR that will be available at 25 and 57. Also, it allows for BPA in the draft instead of reaching for a WR.

Culture fit- and that’s super important to Schoen and Daboll.

Do you want the 23 yr old with upside, or not? If that's what you want you pay the price, which will be at least a 2nd and maybe a low first. It seems like people get on here expecting other teams to do the Giants favors.

And I'm not saying I love Jeudy. I definitely don't. He's not a #1 receiver. At least not yet. But you aren't getting him for a 3rd round pick. The Broncos will just keep him. They're not rebuilding. They're not against a wall.

In comment 16065689 dannyman3131 said:

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In comment 16065665 ArcadeSlumlord said: Quote: In comment 16065663 JonC said: Quote: they're like gold. I wouldnt even trade a 2. I'd rather draft a player. The Giants need an outside WR that can come in and be a factor right away. I personally think Jeudy is a safer bet than the WR that will be available at 25 and 57. Also, it allows for BPA in the draft instead of reaching for a WR.

Maybe a safer bet because he's gonna be a 4 year vet, but the transition from college to the Pros isn't what it used to be. Plenty of WRs come in and make a big impact year 1.

For instance Zay Flowers. I think he can come in and be damn near a 1000 yard receiver as a rookie. Plus you'd have him under contract for cheap for 4 years + the option year. Compared to 1+1 from Jeudy. Also offers much more upside than Jeudy IMO. You kind of know what you are getting from Jeudy at this point.

OL.

In comment 16065636 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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Schoen can find another way imv. Worse case the sign the best FA available. Hopkins, OBJ, etc. See how the draft falls but don't reach. Rather get a impact D guy than a questionable WR. Sometimes you just have to be better somewhere else as you are building your roster. I agree. This Great D and balanced O will win a lot of games. At some point they will need a true number one.

I gotta admit I'm a bit puzzled what Denver is doing. If the goal is to resuscitate Russ-as SP implied in his presser-why trade someone like Jeudy? Wouldn't you need Jeudy there to help in that effort?

As an aside, I'm fascinated to see what Payton can do to revive Russ' career.

There will be plenty of WRs in the draft. The compensation in this market is insane.

In comment 16065627 Big Blue '56 said:

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then I’m in

But he’s 30 😜

I'd do a #2, but not a #1

They are over the cap right now and have a bunch of vets who can’t be cut without incurring massive cap hits.

Trading Jeudy, who’s in the last year of his contract, is one of the few ways they have of lowering their payroll.

Every GM in the league knows this. I’m sure that’s why Schoen is circling. He’s smart and smells desperation.

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In comment 16065627 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: then I’m in But he’s 30 😜

31, June 6th…😂

In comment 16065842 WillVAB said:

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There will be plenty of WRs in the draft. The compensation in this market is insane.

+1.

Plus, I’m not that into Jeudy. I can’t help but get hung up on a Monday night game the Broncos played in which Russell Wilson threw the ball to nobody and Troy Aikman pointed out how Jeudy was doing the wrong thing on option routes. Add that to him flipping out in a game and somehow avoiding an ejection and I don’t love what I’ve seen.

In comment 16065842 WillVAB said:

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There will be plenty of WRs in the draft. The compensation in this market is insane.

What's insane is that some people are attempting to argue that going into the season with Hodgins as our #1, god knows who else, and maybe a late 1st round WR in a weak WR draft is a wise decision.

Our line wasn't terrible last year, DJ can move to buy time. Giving a WR who can't get separation more time is not going to do much. Waller will be smashed in the middle if we don't have an outside guy who can be viewed as a threat.

They are absolutely working on a deal for a WR, it'd be a dereliction of duty if they weren't.

love the guys that just say.....draft a WR1. First off, theres a better chance that the WR drafted is a WR0, but the chances of hitting after pick 25 are miniscule and they probably won't be a big contributor year 1 either way.

The Giants have to get significant help at one of the most important positions and unfortunately its not going to be in the FA market. Maybe it's a smaller trade for a guy like Corey Davis or maybe it's a big trade for a guy like Jeudy, but they will have to get creative to fill that room with NFL caliber players.

In comment 16066379 Kmed6000 said:

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love the guys that just say.....draft a WR1. First off, theres a better chance that the WR drafted is a WR0, but the chances of hitting after pick 25 are miniscule and they probably won't be a big contributor year 1 either way. The Giants have to get significant help at one of the most important positions and unfortunately its not going to be in the FA market. Maybe it's a smaller trade for a guy like Corey Davis or maybe it's a big trade for a guy like Jeudy, but they will have to get creative to fill that room with NFL caliber players.

Plenty of WRs play well after being drafted. And just about anything improves the Giants WR talent.
As far as Denver asking for a #1 plus, they can ask anything they want. They do not have to move him so why would they "give" him away.

Players will be released in the coming weeks for salary reasons. Meantime, Schoen has to rework LW and Jackson's contracts to free up cap space.

8 : Drake London(72/866/4)
10: Garrett Wilson(83/1100/4)
11: Chris Olave(72/1000/4)
12: Jameson Williams(1/41/1)
16: Jahan Dotson(35/523/7)
18: Treylon Burks(33/444/1)
34: Christian Watson((41/611/7)
43: Wandale Robinson(23/227/1)
44: John Metchie(0)
50: Tyquan Thornton(22/247/2)
52: George Pickens(52/801/4)
53: Alec Pierce(41/593/2)
54: Skyy Moore(22/250/0)

Not much after the top 10. Lotta guys that produced worse than Slayton on this list.

In comment 16066474 Kmed6000 said:

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8 : Drake London(72/866/4) 10: Garrett Wilson(83/1100/4) 11: Chris Olave(72/1000/4) 12: Jameson Williams(1/41/1) 16: Jahan Dotson(35/523/7) 18: Treylon Burks(33/444/1) 34: Christian Watson((41/611/7) 43: Wandale Robinson(23/227/1) 44: John Metchie(0) 50: Tyquan Thornton(22/247/2) 52: George Pickens(52/801/4) 53: Alec Pierce(41/593/2) 54: Skyy Moore(22/250/0) Not much after the top 10. Lotta guys that produced worse than Slayton on this list.

there are 13 on that list and at least half it was definitively better than slayton day 1 and the ones that werent were mostly due to injuries.

london, wilson, olave, dotson, watson, pickens were all clearly better. like no questions.

when healthy robinson was trending better pre-acl. remember he also had missed time earlier in the year so his rookie year never got on track, and for the brief time he did he was looking like the best wr on the team.

burks, thornton, and pierce all had their moments but were held back by injuries and not just bad qb play, but literal practice squad level qb play. given the same number of targets i think all 3 would produce comparably to slayton.

williams (acl recovery) and metchie (cancer) are unknowns at this point.

the nyg need to add another veteran or two but im not giving slayton 5m+ on a multi-year deal. i just think he's a fatally flawed wr who shouldnt serve more than a depth role.

says otherwise.

Everyone is expecting a draft pick to produce right away and it doesn't happen often. We also draft 25 so you can remove the guys drafted before that. None of them produced more than Slayton.

want Slayton back. All I'm saying is don't expect rookies to come in and produce like a WR1 right away. It doesn't happen often and less often when you pick 25.

better than healthy players in this year's draft?

and in terms of production like i said at least 6 of them were better. some in fewer targets like dotson who put up 7 touchdowns in fewer targets. not his fault his team also had samuel and mclaurin.

i think we both feel the same way about slayton, dont want him back but if he's cheap it's fine. i have 0 concern about replacing him though.

In comment 16066555 Kmed6000 said:

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want Slayton back. All I'm saying is don't expect rookies to come in and produce like a WR1 right away. It doesn't happen often and less often when you pick 25.

slayton doesnt produce like a WR1 either so that's irrelevant.

christian watson, george pickens each went after 25.
burks and dotson each went pretty close to 25.

i'd be fine adding a player comparable to any of those 4 at 25 or in the 2nd round.

and on day 3 they have a bunch of picks and should probably double up. there were a bunch of wrs who contributed day 1 last year from day 3 - doubs, kyle phillips, shakur.

and by all accounts was not ready for his role. He certainly didn't produce like a WR1 and was 1 of 2 guys that produced like a WR2. All I'm saying is that expecting a rookie WR to produce like a WR1 is stupid and expecting them to produce like a WR2 is even risky.

In comment 16066589 Kmed6000 said:

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and by all accounts was not ready for his role. He certainly didn't produce like a WR1 and was 1 of 2 guys that produced like a WR2. All I'm saying is that expecting a rookie WR to produce like a WR1 is stupid and expecting them to produce like a WR2 is even risky.

did you watch christian watson at all? the guy is one of the most explosive skill players in football already. after missing time in the first half of the year he came back and scored 8 touchdowns in the second half (9 total on the year) - most were long ones. his first target in the nfl week 1 would have been another td on a 70 or 80 yard walk in, which he famously dropped, and that set the narrative, but it was one he'd completely reversed by the end of the year.

slayton has 7 touchdowns in his last 3 years combined.

and he was very raw. Yeah, he caught a lot of TD's, but that's not sustainable, especially when you don't have a HOF QB.

If Watson was on the Giants, he would have probably had half the production.

In comment 16066649 Kmed6000 said:

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and he was very raw. Yeah, he caught a lot of TD's, but that's not sustainable, especially when you don't have a HOF QB. If Watson was on the Giants, he would have probably had half the production.

he had more tds on the year in his limited touches not thrown by rodgers (2 rushing tds and 1 63 yard td pass from love) than slayton had on the entire year with all his touches.