“I've heard some buzz today about the #Giants connected to D.J. Chark and Mecole Hardman. We'll see if that has any legs. You'd expect them to explore all options on the market.”
“Hardman for obvious reasons with his time with Mike Kafka. I thought D.J. Chark would be above the Giants' price range, so it'll be interesting to see if they're just checking prices or legit involved.
There could be others.”
these guys are not significant upgrades to Slayton
Doesn't mean much of anything. Kicking the tires and getting an idea of the asking price. Nice thing about Schoen, he won't get bent over and squeal like a pig the way DG would. If price doesn't fit what he's looking for, he'll walk away and thank them for their time
since he has been very good when healthy but Hardman has untapped potential too. Ideally the Giants would sign one of those two, I would be happy with both, and then draft a WR in round 1. This WR group is very weak right now with just Hodgins healthy.
The truth is we don't know if Wan'Dale Robinson and Collin Johnson will be ready for week one and Shepard just can't be counted on even if he makes the team.
That's because he missed 12 games two years ago and 6 last season which is why he should be cheap. He is still just 26 years old while Hardman turned 25 three days ago.
Yup. As of right now Hodgins is the only legitimate WR the Giants can bank on playing in Week 1. That's it. Not a lot under contract and almost all of them coming back from season ending injuries.
They're going to bring in a WR in 5-10 AAV range at a minimum. Could be an off the radar trade too but they're not going into the draft with Hodgins and a bunch of injured players.
were to start right now, David Sills would be an important player. That's how bad this group is right now.
I think most know that. I don't see anybody disagreeing with your statement in this thread. The issue is supply and demand. Supply is low for FA WR so prices may be too high. Just because we have a need doesn't mean we need to overspend. The only thing that'll happen is hurting ourselves financially by committing decent money to a less than decent player. I know you know this already but that was the point I was making. WR just seems destined to be a position we target in the draft.
doesn’t align with this FA group. I’d rather they re-sign James and draft two guys relatively high than overpay someone like Chark or Hardman. Unless they can work a trade.
the profile of the trio of starters at least gave them the three elements needed.......a deep threat, a possession receiver and a slot guy. There was chemistry but they lacked talent. Against a mediocre playoff defense like Minnesota, it was adequate. But as far as the overall skill level, it was low as demonstrated by the lack of separation against Philly. I live in NE and the fans have the same complaint about the Pats.
add a couple of reliable vets with Wandale and Hodgins and drsft a WR...
Waller is your number 1 receiver, he is your elite guy, surround him with a couple of vets and a young wr you draft and that should be plenty of weapons
Some were thinking that Meyers, Juju and Lazard would come in around 15 AAV. They got standard WR2 money. Maybe one of this next tier gets priced with them but 5+ AAV is the going rate for an outside WR with starting experience.
Anything less than that is probably slot only or a fringe NFL guy like David Sills.
to sign a receiver or two who most Giants fans will bitch about signing, but they will be infinitely better than most of the guys currently under contract.
I don't see any avenue where they don't have Plan A
were to start right now, David Sills would be an important player. That's how bad this group is right now.
Yet, taking an OG or LB at 25 is commonly suggested here. Even with Waller we're 3 good WR short of anything that resembles even an average WR unit. And two of our "best" WR are both coming off ACLs.
Having a perimeter guy that stresses teams deep paired with Waller that can do the same down the seam gives this opens things up for this offense. He might be in play for another 1 yr prove it too. They should certainly pivot off him if he gets priced up though.
to sign a receiver or two who most Giants fans will bitch about signing, but they will be infinitely better than most of the guys currently under contract.
The fans will bitch about Chark and/or Hardman as well. They have major warts. They aren't infinitely better than anybody. I'm not saying it would be bad to add them. They are marginal #3 WRs. So best to temper expectations.
RE: I don't see any avenue where they don't have Plan A
So go sign an oft injured one to add to the stable of injured receivers? Chark hasn’t been healthy in years.
Which is why he will be cheap. You have to take gambles in free agency sometimes. Why not roll the dice on a 26 year old WR with 1000 yard season in his career? Nobody is suggesting signing him long term.
Also even if the Giants added both of these players that would not affect their draft plans.
flawed players, which every single available WR is, than you must be expecting a killer draft where 3 or 4 WRs are taken and produce.
These guys aren’t going to command massive sums of guarantee money. Other good franchises pounce on these opportunities and they hit - we are going to have to do the same.
and Chark would definitely be upgrades, but we shouldn't overspend just because the WR unit is a train wreck outside of Hodgins. We need to add one or two veteran WRs, but don't shop hungry. That just drives up the price.
and Chark would definitely be upgrades, but we shouldn't overspend just because the WR unit is a train wreck outside of Hodgins. We need to add one or two veteran WRs, but don't shop hungry. That just drives up the price.
Agreed, I would be happy with both but at the right price. I wouldn't go past two years with either of them.
and Chark would definitely be upgrades, but we shouldn't overspend just because the WR unit is a train wreck outside of Hodgins. We need to add one or two veteran WRs, but don't shop hungry. That just drives up the price.
Exactly. If they are still sitting there in a week talk to them. But I wouldn’t rush to sign either of them at the 3 day mark. I guarantee Hardman at least is looking for a multi year deal.
were to start right now, David Sills would be an important player. That's how bad this group is right now.
Yet, taking an OG or LB at 25 is commonly suggested here. Even with Waller we're 3 good WR short of anything that resembles even an average WR unit. And two of our "best" WR are both coming off ACLs.
If WR is the BPA than that is great. If not you are forcing a pick and that is a need pick. I would not want to pass on a better player at the two positions you mentioned.
RE: these guys are not significant upgrades to Slayton
There could be others.”
There just aren't any guys out there in FA that would remake the WR corps.
The truth is we don't know if Wan'Dale Robinson and Collin Johnson will be ready for week one and Shepard just can't be counted on even if he makes the team.
That's because he missed 12 games two years ago and 6 last season which is why he should be cheap. He is still just 26 years old while Hardman turned 25 three days ago.
They're going to bring in a WR in 5-10 AAV range at a minimum. Could be an off the radar trade too but they're not going into the draft with Hodgins and a bunch of injured players.
I think most know that. I don't see anybody disagreeing with your statement in this thread. The issue is supply and demand. Supply is low for FA WR so prices may be too high. Just because we have a need doesn't mean we need to overspend. The only thing that'll happen is hurting ourselves financially by committing decent money to a less than decent player. I know you know this already but that was the point I was making. WR just seems destined to be a position we target in the draft.
Waller is your number 1 receiver, he is your elite guy, surround him with a couple of vets and a young wr you draft and that should be plenty of weapons
Anything less than that is probably slot only or a fringe NFL guy like David Sills.
This
How do you figure?
Kafka knows Hardman from Kansas City. Great return man. Can be used in many schemes. Again, 4.3 speed.
Notice a theme...speed!
. Hardman aint that, Chark ain't that.
Juedy, Hopkins, Pittman are that.
Yet, taking an OG or LB at 25 is commonly suggested here. Even with Waller we're 3 good WR short of anything that resembles even an average WR unit. And two of our "best" WR are both coming off ACLs.
The fans will bitch about Chark and/or Hardman as well. They have major warts. They aren't infinitely better than anybody. I'm not saying it would be bad to add them. They are marginal #3 WRs. So best to temper expectations.
. Hardman aint that, Chark ain't that.
Juedy, Hopkins, Pittman are that.
You're missing the point. The Giants don't just need a #1 WR they need to add up to 3 to the active roster.
Dude, are you on drugs we need 6-8 WR’s. We have 2-1/2, use your head.
Good idea we’ll just line up all our backup guards to run routes, it’ll be fine
Isaiah Hodgins
David Sills
Makai Polk
Jaydon Mickens
Kalil Pimpleton
That's it. If you guys think that Hardman or Chark would not be upgrades then you don't know how dire the situation is at WR.
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Chark hasn’t been good in like three years.
Dude, are you on drugs we need 6-8 WR’s. We have 2-1/2, use your head.
So go sign an oft injured one to add to the stable of injured receivers? Chark hasn’t been healthy in years.
Isaiah Hodgins
David Sills
Makai Polk
Jaydon Mickens
Kalil Pimpleton
That's it. If you guys think that Hardman or Chark would not be upgrades then you don't know how dire the situation is at WR.
Did anyone say they wouldn't be upgrades?
So go sign an oft injured one to add to the stable of injured receivers? Chark hasn’t been healthy in years.
Which is why he will be cheap. You have to take gambles in free agency sometimes. Why not roll the dice on a 26 year old WR with 1000 yard season in his career? Nobody is suggesting signing him long term.
Also even if the Giants added both of these players that would not affect their draft plans.
2.) keep trying to work a trade for Jeudy, Hopkins, or Aiyuk.
3.) if #2 fails sign a low-mid level FA and plan on drafting at least two WR’s in the first four rounds.
These guys aren’t going to command massive sums of guarantee money. Other good franchises pounce on these opportunities and they hit - we are going to have to do the same.
Agreed, I would be happy with both but at the right price. I wouldn't go past two years with either of them.
Exactly. If they are still sitting there in a week talk to them. But I wouldn’t rush to sign either of them at the 3 day mark. I guarantee Hardman at least is looking for a multi year deal.
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Chark hasn’t been good in like three years.
Dude, are you on drugs we need 6-8 WR’s. We have 2-1/2, use your head.
Pls stop. You’re wrong. moving on
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were to start right now, David Sills would be an important player. That's how bad this group is right now.
Yet, taking an OG or LB at 25 is commonly suggested here. Even with Waller we're 3 good WR short of anything that resembles even an average WR unit. And two of our "best" WR are both coming off ACLs.
If WR is the BPA than that is great. If not you are forcing a pick and that is a need pick. I would not want to pass on a better player at the two positions you mentioned.
both are upgrades none the less