you guys earlier today. You're not looking at the roster. We need to sign guys who will push players such as Marcus Johnson, David Sills, Jaydon Mickens, Makai Polk, and Kalil Pimpleton off of the roster.
Those are 5 of the 8 receivers currently under contract. Our WR room is that bad.
Especially with a guy like this who will have to excel on Specials to make the team.
But Waller ran a 4.46 at the combine at 255 lbs. Okereke ran a 4.58.
A complete different approach from DG, who seemed to take pleasure in finding guys who ran slow times just to prove his claim that 40 times don't matter.
you guys earlier today. You're not looking at the roster. We need to sign guys who will push players such as Marcus Johnson, David Sills, Jaydon Mickens, Makai Polk, and Kalil Pimpleton off of the roster.
Those are 5 of the 8 receivers currently under contract. Our WR room is that bad.
My point here is this... the Jets didn't even tender Jeff Smith, but he's probably already the 4th or 5th best receiver on the team.
If we're fortunate, Smith struggles to make the squad. Because that means we added enough decent receivers.
you guys earlier today. You're not looking at the roster. We need to sign guys who will push players such as Marcus Johnson, David Sills, Jaydon Mickens, Makai Polk, and Kalil Pimpleton off of the roster.
Those are 5 of the 8 receivers currently under contract. Our WR room is that bad.
Right, and also an indication they aren't just going to overspend if they don't see value. This player sound similar to Marcus Johnson. If he's slightly better , it is an improvement. If not he won't make the roster.
Right, and also an indication they aren't just going to overspend if they don't see value. This player sound similar to Marcus Johnson. If he's slightly better , it is an improvement. If not he won't make the roster.
The reactions to every signing can be a riot at times..
Maybe they want to try to work with him. For minimal money he is probably a camp player but with his size and speed they could try to fix what is wrong
This tells me Richie James is gone and as we already expected Slayton
you guys earlier today. You're not looking at the roster. We need to sign guys who will push players such as Marcus Johnson, David Sills, Jaydon Mickens, Makai Polk, and Kalil Pimpleton off of the roster.
Those are 5 of the 8 receivers currently under contract. Our WR room is that bad.
I think we're all looking at the roster and can see the lack of talent in the WR's currently under contract. The question is what do we do about it? How, exactly, do we push the guys you listed off the roster? What makes the most sense, tactically, financially, short-term, long-term? It's not like we can snap our fingers and poof we have a whole new WR corps.
The sad fact is that the effects of the previous regime's incompetence are still being felt, and not just in the WR room - in every room. Last year's success notwithstanding, it may take another year before the Giants are truly competitive, a real match for the better teams in the league, especially those in their own division. They do need to be proactive, but also prudent. Knee-jerk reactions born out of desperation were the hallmarks of the recent past. We don't need more of the same.
Do what you can with what you have without hamstringing yourself, and make the most out of what you do have. If you can't sign or draft a prototypical 'X,' maybe you trade for one. Or, maybe, you get more talent at 'Y' and 'Z' and find ways to maximize their talents to compensate. Just get stronger where it's possible, where it makes the most sense.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Giants are trying to be honest with WR pool and really evaluate what they’d be getting at top of this FA market. As we’ve been saying it’s about fit, traits and price point.
Not going to splash the pot and pay WR2 talent/production expecting WR1 results if they can help it.
from my comment about the quality of 5 of the 8 on the roster above, also keep in mind that two of the remaining three are coming off of ACLs and may or may not be ready for the season opener.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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My understanding is, late in the negotiating period, Giants WR Darius Slayton was weighing offers to return + at least one offer from elsewhere, believed to be the Falcons, per sources.
Not sure if or how much that has changed, but as of yesterday, Slayton return still on table.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
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Giants Day 3 Free Agency Recap:
Signed: WR Jeff Smith
Not the type of move you usually see this early in FA. Smith has been a low-end pass catching option + occasional gunner so far in his career.
Giants still looking to add at WR. Re-signing Darius Slayton still an option.
4th/5th WR young enough to grow that can play ST an area we need to improve in. I think the timing is because he does not have to uproot his life (easy sale) ... he is a fringe player at the moment consistency is a perk when his agent is laying out the options.
I said Marcus Johnson when I meant Collin Johnson.
None of the players you mentioned will hopefully be on the 53 this season. Maybe on the PS. And yet the Giants still haven't resigned James or Slayton, which shows that they're really not interested in either except as a last resort. Slayton apparently also only has one other offer, so maybe the rest of the league isn't that interested either. Not sure about James.
made the right decision. He signed the same day he could, he doesn't have to move, and he's coming to a team with arguably the worst WRs in the league.
The draft profile re hands was from 4 years ago ... improvement is possible especially if he converted from QB. I’d be more interested if he had drops last year, especially key ones like our old #86 had vs the Vikes. Also ‘jet sweep’ potential to replace KT. This is a kick the tires signing.
you guys earlier today. You're not looking at the roster. We need to sign guys who will push players such as Marcus Johnson, David Sills, Jaydon Mickens, Makai Polk, and Kalil Pimpleton off of the roster.
Those are 5 of the 8 receivers currently under contract. Our WR room is that bad.
signing at all. They've done a good job of finding players that help the team win. We all would enjoy a sexy move at WR, but as noted by Eric, we also really need depth. It would be nice to not be sniffing around other teams' practice squads to get credible depth like we were last year. A lot of work tob be done at all levels of this roster but especially the back half.
We all would be excited for the Giants to bring in someone we had on a fantasy team but lets let Schoen build the roster everywhere it needs improving too.
RE: This tells me Richie James is gone and as we already expected Slayton
Help around the edges of a roster for little cost or cut for no cost worst case scenario.
As a late to the party, WR-athlete has upside which would have been impossible to demonstrate in the Jets crowded, talented WR room, and chaotic QB/OC room.
Thus became a UFA (effective today after 4 pm) and chose the Giants.
Just to clarify, since the order of the posts was a bit confusing:
2022 was Smith's fourth NFL season. As Y28 notes, he did not earn a year of service in 2019, so with three years of service (2020-2022) he only qualified for RFA status in 2023. The Jets declined to tender him, as the cost would have been at least $2.6MM. In the absence of an RFA tender, he became a UFA yesterday, and was free to sign anywhere with no compensation or right of first refusal for the Jets.
The other is Lawrence Cager
Interesting
I would absolutely be interested in getting Berries if possible
Those are 5 of the 8 receivers currently under contract. Our WR room is that bad.
But Waller ran a 4.46 at the combine at 255 lbs. Okereke ran a 4.58.
A complete different approach from DG, who seemed to take pleasure in finding guys who ran slow times just to prove his claim that 40 times don't matter.
Those are 5 of the 8 receivers currently under contract. Our WR room is that bad.
My point here is this... the Jets didn't even tender Jeff Smith, but he's probably already the 4th or 5th best receiver on the team.
If we're fortunate, Smith struggles to make the squad. Because that means we added enough decent receivers.
Those are 5 of the 8 receivers currently under contract. Our WR room is that bad.
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Right, and also an indication they aren't just going to overspend if they don't see value. This player sound similar to Marcus Johnson. If he's slightly better , it is an improvement. If not he won't make the roster.
The reactions to every signing can be a riot at times..
Maybe they want to try to work with him. For minimal money he is probably a camp player but with his size and speed they could try to fix what is wrong
Those are 5 of the 8 receivers currently under contract. Our WR room is that bad.
I think we're all looking at the roster and can see the lack of talent in the WR's currently under contract. The question is what do we do about it? How, exactly, do we push the guys you listed off the roster? What makes the most sense, tactically, financially, short-term, long-term? It's not like we can snap our fingers and poof we have a whole new WR corps.
The sad fact is that the effects of the previous regime's incompetence are still being felt, and not just in the WR room - in every room. Last year's success notwithstanding, it may take another year before the Giants are truly competitive, a real match for the better teams in the league, especially those in their own division. They do need to be proactive, but also prudent. Knee-jerk reactions born out of desperation were the hallmarks of the recent past. We don't need more of the same.
Do what you can with what you have without hamstringing yourself, and make the most out of what you do have. If you can't sign or draft a prototypical 'X,' maybe you trade for one. Or, maybe, you get more talent at 'Y' and 'Z' and find ways to maximize their talents to compensate. Just get stronger where it's possible, where it makes the most sense.
@art_stapleton
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54m
Giants are trying to be honest with WR pool and really evaluate what they’d be getting at top of this FA market. As we’ve been saying it’s about fit, traits and price point.
Not going to splash the pot and pay WR2 talent/production expecting WR1 results if they can help it.
@DDuggan21
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Smith's contract is 1 year, $1.2M with no guarantees, per source. He can earn up to $300K in playing time incentives.
Always random when one of these signings happens early in free agency, but it's not like the Giants are paying him to be WR1.
@AaronWilson_NFL
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7h
#Giants Jeff Smith one year, $1.2M, $1.175M salary, $25,000 workout bonus, $300K playtime incentive
Right now, we have 3 WRs who are still hurt and have no idea what their week 1 status is. So just look at this as nothing more than that.
Everybody we sign is not going to be a starter.
He was a QB. He sounds like a smart, versatile athlete who is coachable.
@art_stapleton
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My understanding is, late in the negotiating period, Giants WR Darius Slayton was weighing offers to return + at least one offer from elsewhere, believed to be the Falcons, per sources.
Not sure if or how much that has changed, but as of yesterday, Slayton return still on table.
@JordanRaanan
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Giants Day 3 Free Agency Recap:
Signed: WR Jeff Smith
Not the type of move you usually see this early in FA. Smith has been a low-end pass catching option + occasional gunner so far in his career.
Giants still looking to add at WR. Re-signing Darius Slayton still an option.
@JordanRaanan
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35m
Giants Day 3 Free Agency Recap:
Signed: WR Jeff Smith
Not the type of move you usually see this early in FA. Smith has been a low-end pass catching option + occasional gunner so far in his career.
Giants still looking to add at WR. Re-signing Darius Slayton still an option.
4th/5th WR young enough to grow that can play ST an area we need to improve in. I think the timing is because he does not have to uproot his life (easy sale) ... he is a fringe player at the moment consistency is a perk when his agent is laying out the options.
None of the players you mentioned will hopefully be on the 53 this season. Maybe on the PS. And yet the Giants still haven't resigned James or Slayton, which shows that they're really not interested in either except as a last resort. Slayton apparently also only has one other offer, so maybe the rest of the league isn't that interested either. Not sure about James.
I am not sure he is 255 now, which is why I suggested he add a few lbs. when I heard about the trade. I don't go by 'listed'
weight myself.
Those are 5 of the 8 receivers currently under contract. Our WR room is that bad.
BBI, our wide receiver room is horrible!!
Danger BBI, Danger BBI
We all would be excited for the Giants to bring in someone we had on a fantasy team but lets let Schoen build the roster everywhere it needs improving too.
Im kind of expecting Shepherd if he makes the team to be the new Richie James.
Uhhh...I'm right here.
As a late to the party, WR-athlete has upside which would have been impossible to demonstrate in the Jets crowded, talented WR room, and chaotic QB/OC room.
or my favorite gunner, David Tyree. Great gunner, good backup WR.
Thus became a UFA (effective today after 4 pm) and chose the Giants.
Just to clarify, since the order of the posts was a bit confusing:
2022 was Smith's fourth NFL season. As Y28 notes, he did not earn a year of service in 2019, so with three years of service (2020-2022) he only qualified for RFA status in 2023. The Jets declined to tender him, as the cost would have been at least $2.6MM. In the absence of an RFA tender, he became a UFA yesterday, and was free to sign anywhere with no compensation or right of first refusal for the Jets.