But I feel like if this is as bad as it looks it might really destroy the WBC. No team is going to want to send their players into it, worse than it is already. Which is good because it sucks.
In a meaningless 5-2 exhibition game win… puzzling
For those that haven't seen the video, he was kind of normal level pumped up after game ending strikeout... but then his teammates all kinda jumped on him and were way more animated/excited than he was and he kinda just started going with it..
Not gonna fault the guy for celebrating with his team... the better question is why are all these guys there risking injury in the first place
Serious question: Do MLB owners benefit financially from WBC? Is there an incentive to allow players to participate beyond player satisfaction?
the Mets will be there. i think Buck is a big fan of Britton as well.
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Free agent reliever Zack Britton will throw a simulated game on Thursday at UC-Irvine. About eight teams are expected to be in attendance.
no curse, just a stupid, ill conceived, contrived tournament that
nobody cares about. Why would anyone want players being paid hundreds of millions to ramp up and go full tilt too early when they should be working up to the season slowly and risk injury in meaningless games before the season is beyond me. So glad none of the Yankees key players participated.
Regular season unfortunately getting less important in baseball with the playoff expansion...but what it means is you just need to be good enough to get in and then anything can happen (see: Phillies)
First off, you want an MCL sprain and a dislocation of the knee and not an ACL tear. A meniscus tear would be bad as well and could come with a sprain of the ligament which will extend recovery. It didn't look like a tendon issue, but Giants fans know how bad that is(Cruz).
Shortly after the injury, a dr can manipulate the knee and tell immediately if the ligaments are torn and if it's a really bad injury. If he blew up his knee, the teams usually announce that they believe it's ligament damage, but they want more tests.
The initial tests will be xrays which will only show bone injuries. They do this to see if theres any dislocation or bone injuries obviously. The MRI is the big test and is usually done within days of the injury, if not next day. They need to wait for swelling to go down first. The MRI will confirm if the ligaments and cartilage is still intact.
I did not see the actual injury, just the aftermanth. Is there a video of the injury?
No good video of the injury... he was in the middle of a group of guys jumping up and down and drifting laterally, holding shoulders
When I dislocated my patella, it got stuck and had to be reset by the doctor at the hospital, which obviously wasn't the case for Diaz..but I was really lucky to have no tears, just needed to do PT and wear a brace that kind of stabilized what was now a bit more of a loose knee for a bit
So again, I'm crossing my fingers this was a dislocation and he bounces back quickly, which it seems like your assessment deems a possibility
Could happen on its own(sublexation) or you can do it yourself. If it was a dislocation, it would scare the shit out of someone thinking it was some brutal break or something. Once reset, it will heal in a few months. This or an MCL sprain would be ideal, but based off the reactions, its something thats either more severe or seemed more severe(dislocation or acl).
Could happen on its own(sublexation) or you can do it yourself. If it was a dislocation, it would scare the shit out of someone thinking it was some brutal break or something. Once reset, it will heal in a few months. This or an MCL sprain would be ideal, but based off the reactions, its something thats either more severe or seemed more severe(dislocation or acl).
Haha yes...I was 17 in high school when my injury happened...my knee was quite disfigured and had kids screaming and crying... but to your point healed in a few months without surgery.
Conversely... you sometimes see ACL tears with no visible signs, right? That would "look" much less scary to the lay person
1. Everyone reacts differently. I tore my ACL twice, once in each knee. First one felt like an explosion and the second one felt minor and I tried to walk it off.
2. A lot of times with knee injuries, there are other injuries as well. ACL and MCL. ACL and meniscus. ACL, meniscus, MCL, bone bruise, they are all common in injuries like this.
3. It can also be scary for someone that's never had it before. You know something is wrong, but you don't know what and you freak out and overreact(hoping that's this situation).
The fact that you didn't hear anything about his acl
He's a key piece of the team, and having 60-70 innings of elite pitching in the highest leverage situations is a hard loss to handle. I'll hope for good news, but this looks like an ACL tear which would likely keep him out for 2023.
I'm not going to blame the WBC. The games have been fun, and you can really see the energy out there from the players and a lot of fans. Injuries happen in regular spring trainings games too and there hasn't been a rash of guys getting hurt in the WBC. This is just a completely freak accidence and it truly sucks that it had to happen to one of the Mets best players. There's really no one to blame or point fingers at, it's just unfortunate and sucks.
I guess much better this than Tommy John or a shoulder TOS type of thing. Completely brutal for 2023, but it doesn't jeopardize his outlook for the rest of his Mets contract.
I guess I shouldn't be calling anyone else a dumbass because when i was 22 I injured it dancing wasted and wearing cowboy boots, which led me to slip on some spilled beer when one of my buddies jumped on my back
Anyway, I was sure I tore it completely. It hurt like hell. Could not put any weight on it at all. It took about 6 weeks with rehab to get better. But it then lingered and was never 100% again
I sprained my MCL and it hurt like fuck. My doctor told me I would have been better off if it had torn, but I was skiing 2 weeks later (albeit with enough wrap to starngle a goat). I don’t think that is the case with Diaz. The way they elevated his leg would lead me to believe it could be a broken and/or dislocated ankle. Hope I’m wrong.
RE: It's baseball, and it's a game for national pride
It's not really puzzling. Two giant baseball-proud countries playing a win or go home game.
Agreed, the WBC means a lot more to international players than domestic. That said, I think teams will start putting clauses in contracts to protect themselves.
I guess I shouldn't be calling anyone else a dumbass because when i was 22 I injured it dancing wasted and wearing cowboy boots, which led me to slip on some spilled beer when one of my buddies jumped on my back
Anyway, I was sure I tore it completely. It hurt like hell. Could not put any weight on it at all. It took about 6 weeks with rehab to get better. But it then lingered and was never 100% again
I sprained my MCL and it hurt like fuck. My doctor told me I would have been better off if it had torn, but I was skiing 2 weeks later (albeit with enough wrap to starngle a goat). I don’t think that is the case with Diaz. The way they elevated his leg would lead me to believe it could be a broken and/or dislocated ankle. Hope I’m wrong.
Mets already put out a release saying it was his knee
When they lifted him his knee bent, and thats why he told them to put him back down. Then he was trying to keep his leg straight... which I think just indicates it was hurting him to bend at the knee
“I talked to (U.S. teammate Adam) Wainwright about this during the Canada game,” Trout said. “This is the funnest experience I’ve had on a baseball field. To represent your country, it’s been a blast. Obviously, there’s risk involved. (But) you’re still playing baseball in spring training. For me, being part of this atmosphere, it’s special. It means a lot to me. I knew going in it was going to be a fun time. I never knew it was going to be this fun.”
ask David Wright about it.
Some American players consider it just as important and prideful as the International players.
from martino - this sounds like they think something is torn
Mets closer Edwin Diaz will have an MRI on his right knee midday Thursday -- and the mood in the organization is grim.
Initial indications are that Diaz’s injury, suffered immediately after Diaz closed out Puerto Rico’s win over the Dominican Republic on Wednesday in the World Baseball Classic, is "bad," in the words of one source. People briefed on the situation fear that Diaz could be lost for a significant period, perhaps the entire season.
i think the only glimmer of hope is that if it were something more major like patellar i think that would be known. if it's ACL, there's at least some precedent of stroman getting back in 5 months to pitch. id guess that's the "significant period, perhaps entire season" since stroman cut it pretty close.
his surgery was march 19 and he came back sept 12 and went 5--0 the rest of the way including 1 win in 4 starts in the playoffs. he threw 47 innings including playoffs. in his first 4 starts in the regular season his era was 1.67 and based on other sports ACL recoveries have improved since 2015. https://sny.tv/articles/mets-fear-worst-edwin-diaz-mri - ( New Window )
ACL and MCL tear or an ACL and meniscus. If it's the latter, he's not coming back this year. If its a clean ACL tear, sure, he can be back in 5/6 months if everything goes perfect, but that's unlikely.
The difference between an MCL sprain and an ACL sprain is that an MCL sprain will heal on its own and an ACL never will.
That's why the large majority of the time ACL reconstructions happen with partial tears or full ruptures.
The science behind the ACL reconstruct is not completely understood I believe, when they use the tendon graft for a new ACL, it essentially has to undergo a transformation to become a ligament.
I've been told by my surgeon that the graft acts like a scaffold for regrowth, but the main point is that the process takes like 6 weeks to happen.
The main issue post surgery is the leg muscles melt away. So in theory, if you can get past the 6 week mark without injuring the graft, it becomes an exercise in how quickly can muscle and range of motion be rebuilt. Range of motion rebuilding starts the day of surgery.
As kmed says, meniscus and MCL injuries can delay the ACL surgery process.
that they believe it's a major knee injury BEFORE the MRI, then the ACL is completely torn. At this point, it's about what other injuries happened to the knee. Hopefully the meniscus is in tact because that can be a degenerative problem.
Don't even know what to say to this. The season is over before it even begins. Diaz is a key stone player. They can't win without him. I'll hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
at least elite closer is a luxury nobody else has either
it sucks but there's a reason most other teams dont heavily invest in RP and it's bc it's the most variable position that's year to year and possible to find cheap.
the mets may already have enough RP for the regular season without diaz. they should definitely look to add more but you can do worse than robertson, he saved a WS game last year.
and thankfully with cohen you know that a 100m player getting hurt doesnt make him less likely to spend, if anything it probably makes him more likely to spend. which they absolutely should try to start doing right away with whatever players are left out there who have any chance of helping them. whether it's britton or someone else. Mike Minor is i believe still unsigned and he's been worth a shot converting back to relieving for a couple years.
There is no positive spin but this team can still make the playoffs. Better it happened now. I know these players have different impacts and roles but Acuna and Soroka were both lost mid season for the Braves.
Díaz hurt is not good but the season can offer some opportunity.
If there is a lot of swelling, they can't do the MRI right away. If they are speaking without an MRI, I'd guess its bad news. They know if the ligaments are torn already, they just won't know what other problems there could be.
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Edwin Diaz update: A general timeline to return after patellar tendon is usually about eight months, Billy Eppler said. In quick cases it can take six months.
“We won’t update Edwin’s timeline for a while,” he said.
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Edwin Diaz will have surgery to repair patellar tending injury today, according to Billy Eppler. The timeline is eight months.
id imagine with insurance they will get $ back too. now might be a good time to see if the white sox are looking to save some money on hendriks (i know he has his own health issues at the moment, which is why maybe chw would be willing to talk).
standard insurance rules, Diaz has to miss regular season 60 days before it kicks in. So the Mets have to pay Diaz out of pocket for April/May. I have ZERO insight regarding what the situation with Diaz insurance is because for the WBC, players were personally insured so what that means for the Mets? I have no idea.
still had to wear a surgical mask when he visited White Sox camp so I can't imagine he's anywhere near coming back. He insists he will pitch this year, but how much/when? Still unclear.
After signing a contract worth more than 100 million?
I cannot believe the Met's would allow that in his contract.
Playing was his choice....Plus, these guys are in spring training mode, but representing their country so going 100%, even if their body is not ready for it.
Lots of players skip it (I don't see Austin Riley or Zach Wheeler out there), for just this reason.
There's no way to candy coat it, he irreplaceable and the Met's chances of winning anything have taken a big hit.
still had to wear a surgical mask when he visited White Sox camp so I can't imagine he's anywhere near coming back. He insists he will pitch this year, but how much/when? Still unclear.
right but if it's just taking on $ risk why not? cant imagine the white sox are counting on much from him so i cant imagine it would take much to get them to be willing to save that $.
Matt Strahm (lefty) had surgery to repair his right patellar tendon in Oct 2020. He missed most of ‘21 season, finally returning to form in ‘22
Garrett Richards (righty) had surgery to repair his left patellar tendon in Aug 2014. Came back to throw 207 innings in ‘15
the richards one is probably what eppler was referencing when he said could be 6 months. i assume richards was throwing by february 2015 if he got in a full 207 innings that year.
That’s why I didn’t mind when the Correa deal fell through.
With Bart waiting in the wings, there was no need for Korea at all. If they wanted to spend money, they should’ve spent some more on the bullpen
I didn't feel that way at all... the team won 101 games last year.
The '91 Mets won 77
This sucks and yes it's bad Mets luck....but spending is never, ever a bad thing and Uncle Steve remains the hero in this story.
Props to Brandon Nimmo.. hopefully more guys just follow his lead, especially after signing a big contract.
For those that haven't seen the video, he was kind of normal level pumped up after game ending strikeout... but then his teammates all kinda jumped on him and were way more animated/excited than he was and he kinda just started going with it..
Not gonna fault the guy for celebrating with his team... the better question is why are all these guys there risking injury in the first place
Serious question: Do MLB owners benefit financially from WBC? Is there an incentive to allow players to participate beyond player satisfaction?
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Free agent reliever Zack Britton will throw a simulated game on Thursday at UC-Irvine. About eight teams are expected to be in attendance.
#LFGM
Regular season unfortunately getting less important in baseball with the playoff expansion...but what it means is you just need to be good enough to get in and then anything can happen (see: Phillies)
Shortly after the injury, a dr can manipulate the knee and tell immediately if the ligaments are torn and if it's a really bad injury. If he blew up his knee, the teams usually announce that they believe it's ligament damage, but they want more tests.
The initial tests will be xrays which will only show bone injuries. They do this to see if theres any dislocation or bone injuries obviously. The MRI is the big test and is usually done within days of the injury, if not next day. They need to wait for swelling to go down first. The MRI will confirm if the ligaments and cartilage is still intact.
I did not see the actual injury, just the aftermanth. Is there a video of the injury?
Players like playing for their countries. it's a dream for many of them - sometimes as big or bigger than playing in MLB, NHL, NBA, etc.
When I dislocated my patella, it got stuck and had to be reset by the doctor at the hospital, which obviously wasn't the case for Diaz..but I was really lucky to have no tears, just needed to do PT and wear a brace that kind of stabilized what was now a bit more of a loose knee for a bit
So again, I'm crossing my fingers this was a dislocation and he bounces back quickly, which it seems like your assessment deems a possibility
Haha yes...I was 17 in high school when my injury happened...my knee was quite disfigured and had kids screaming and crying... but to your point healed in a few months without surgery.
Conversely... you sometimes see ACL tears with no visible signs, right? That would "look" much less scary to the lay person
2. A lot of times with knee injuries, there are other injuries as well. ACL and MCL. ACL and meniscus. ACL, meniscus, MCL, bone bruise, they are all common in injuries like this.
3. It can also be scary for someone that's never had it before. You know something is wrong, but you don't know what and you freak out and overreact(hoping that's this situation).
One thing they dr's cant do is rule out ligament damage without an mri. So until that mri is done, you wont know.
I'm not going to blame the WBC. The games have been fun, and you can really see the energy out there from the players and a lot of fans. Injuries happen in regular spring trainings games too and there hasn't been a rash of guys getting hurt in the WBC. This is just a completely freak accidence and it truly sucks that it had to happen to one of the Mets best players. There's really no one to blame or point fingers at, it's just unfortunate and sucks.
I guess much better this than Tommy John or a shoulder TOS type of thing. Completely brutal for 2023, but it doesn't jeopardize his outlook for the rest of his Mets contract.
Anyway, I was sure I tore it completely. It hurt like hell. Could not put any weight on it at all. It took about 6 weeks with rehab to get better. But it then lingered and was never 100% again
I sprained my MCL and it hurt like fuck. My doctor told me I would have been better off if it had torn, but I was skiing 2 weeks later (albeit with enough wrap to starngle a goat). I don’t think that is the case with Diaz. The way they elevated his leg would lead me to believe it could be a broken and/or dislocated ankle. Hope I’m wrong.
Agreed, the WBC means a lot more to international players than domestic. That said, I think teams will start putting clauses in contracts to protect themselves.
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I guess I shouldn't be calling anyone else a dumbass because when i was 22 I injured it dancing wasted and wearing cowboy boots, which led me to slip on some spilled beer when one of my buddies jumped on my back
Anyway, I was sure I tore it completely. It hurt like hell. Could not put any weight on it at all. It took about 6 weeks with rehab to get better. But it then lingered and was never 100% again
I sprained my MCL and it hurt like fuck. My doctor told me I would have been better off if it had torn, but I was skiing 2 weeks later (albeit with enough wrap to starngle a goat). I don’t think that is the case with Diaz. The way they elevated his leg would lead me to believe it could be a broken and/or dislocated ankle. Hope I’m wrong.
Mets already put out a release saying it was his knee
When they lifted him his knee bent, and thats why he told them to put him back down. Then he was trying to keep his leg straight... which I think just indicates it was hurting him to bend at the knee
ask David Wright about it.
Some American players consider it just as important and prideful as the International players.
Initial indications are that Diaz’s injury, suffered immediately after Diaz closed out Puerto Rico’s win over the Dominican Republic on Wednesday in the World Baseball Classic, is "bad," in the words of one source. People briefed on the situation fear that Diaz could be lost for a significant period, perhaps the entire season.
i think the only glimmer of hope is that if it were something more major like patellar i think that would be known. if it's ACL, there's at least some precedent of stroman getting back in 5 months to pitch. id guess that's the "significant period, perhaps entire season" since stroman cut it pretty close.
his surgery was march 19 and he came back sept 12 and went 5--0 the rest of the way including 1 win in 4 starts in the playoffs. he threw 47 innings including playoffs. in his first 4 starts in the regular season his era was 1.67 and based on other sports ACL recoveries have improved since 2015.
https://sny.tv/articles/mets-fear-worst-edwin-diaz-mri - ( New Window )
That's why the large majority of the time ACL reconstructions happen with partial tears or full ruptures.
The science behind the ACL reconstruct is not completely understood I believe, when they use the tendon graft for a new ACL, it essentially has to undergo a transformation to become a ligament.
I've been told by my surgeon that the graft acts like a scaffold for regrowth, but the main point is that the process takes like 6 weeks to happen.
The main issue post surgery is the leg muscles melt away. So in theory, if you can get past the 6 week mark without injuring the graft, it becomes an exercise in how quickly can muscle and range of motion be rebuilt. Range of motion rebuilding starts the day of surgery.
As kmed says, meniscus and MCL injuries can delay the ACL surgery process.
I don’t subscribe to the theory that you have to wrap these guys in bubble tape. They can just easily get hurt in Spring Training.
As a Mets fan, the harder thing to come to terms with here is that this happened during the immediate postage celebratory gathering at the mound.
We have been Grammatica’d
the mets may already have enough RP for the regular season without diaz. they should definitely look to add more but you can do worse than robertson, he saved a WS game last year.
and thankfully with cohen you know that a 100m player getting hurt doesnt make him less likely to spend, if anything it probably makes him more likely to spend. which they absolutely should try to start doing right away with whatever players are left out there who have any chance of helping them. whether it's britton or someone else. Mike Minor is i believe still unsigned and he's been worth a shot converting back to relieving for a couple years.
Díaz hurt is not good but the season can offer some opportunity.
I don’t subscribe to the theory that you have to wrap these guys in bubble tape. They can just easily get hurt in Spring Training.
As a Mets fan, the harder thing to come to terms with here is that this happened during the immediate postage celebratory gathering at the mound.
We have been Grammatica’d
Yankees fan checking in, the injury sucks. But look at how many star players sign up for this tournament. It clearly matters to them.
Its a fun tournament and refreshing to see these guys really want to participate. Celebrate responsibly.
Hoping he's ok.
As in torn patella? Isn't that what happened to Victor Cruz?
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Edwin Diaz update: A general timeline to return after patellar tendon is usually about eight months, Billy Eppler said. In quick cases it can take six months.
“We won’t update Edwin’s timeline for a while,” he said.
Diaz is in “great spirits,” Eppler said.
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Edwin Diaz will have surgery to repair patellar tending injury today, according to Billy Eppler. The timeline is eight months.
if you want an optimistic view
if you want an optimistic view
id imagine with insurance they will get $ back too. now might be a good time to see if the white sox are looking to save some money on hendriks (i know he has his own health issues at the moment, which is why maybe chw would be willing to talk).
I cannot believe the Met's would allow that in his contract.
Playing was his choice....Plus, these guys are in spring training mode, but representing their country so going 100%, even if their body is not ready for it.
Lots of players skip it (I don't see Austin Riley or Zach Wheeler out there), for just this reason.
There's no way to candy coat it, he irreplaceable and the Met's chances of winning anything have taken a big hit.
Fuck the WBC.....
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Matt Strahm (lefty) had surgery to repair his right patellar tendon in Oct 2020. He missed most of ‘21 season, finally returning to form in ‘22
Garrett Richards (righty) had surgery to repair his left patellar tendon in Aug 2014. Came back to throw 207 innings in ‘15
right but if it's just taking on $ risk why not? cant imagine the white sox are counting on much from him so i cant imagine it would take much to get them to be willing to save that $.
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Matt Strahm (lefty) had surgery to repair his right patellar tendon in Oct 2020. He missed most of ‘21 season, finally returning to form in ‘22
Garrett Richards (righty) had surgery to repair his left patellar tendon in Aug 2014. Came back to throw 207 innings in ‘15
the richards one is probably what eppler was referencing when he said could be 6 months. i assume richards was throwing by february 2015 if he got in a full 207 innings that year.