not so fine if it's not. so far even an older player like robert woods off a poor year got 7.6m aav and 10m gtd. the bills gave a special teamer almost 5m per year yesterday.
If Slayton re-signs here this will be very polarizing.
Not if he is cheap.
What is your version of cheap?
Something near veteran minimum... with a small signing bonus/guaranteed money. He's a 4th/5th wide receiver at best. Hell, if Collin Johnson didn't get hurt, he wouldn't have made the team last year.
it makes no difference that he would not have made the team--he showed last season that he can do things and is a legitimate NFL receiver. Obviously, his hands are nowhere near reliably to be a one or a two, but he is good enough to contribute depending on the cost.
If Slayton re-signs here this will be very polarizing.
Not if he is cheap.
What is your version of cheap?
Something near veteran minimum... with a small signing bonus/guaranteed money. He's a 4th/5th wide receiver at best. Hell, if Collin Johnson didn't get hurt, he wouldn't have made the team last year.
I think he is getting at least $5 Mill per year so he is gone IMO.
the only two reasons to even consider bringing Slayton back
Problem is route running precision and the untimely drops. He makes contested catches and is not an idiot. I am not sure why Dabs doesn't like him except that he can't get a grip on the scheme?
RE: Slayton is fast as hell and can get separation
Problem is route running precision and the untimely drops. He makes contested catches and is not an idiot. I am not sure why Dabs doesn't like him except that he can't get a grip on the scheme?
Probably frustration?
RE: Slayton is fast as hell and can get separation
Problem is route running precision and the untimely drops. He makes contested catches and is not an idiot. I am not sure why Dabs doesn't like him except that he can't get a grip on the scheme?
Even the prior regime that drafted him, went as far as backing up the brinks truck to sign Golladay and then spent a first round pick on Kadarius Toney. The new regime, with those two in tow, spent a second rounder on Wandale Robinson, and for the first quarter of the season it seemed the coaching staff went out of their way to keep Slayton from getting in games. There is no way the Giants are throwing significant dollars his way imo. Slayton is a limited player. He would have factored into the offense much earlier, like Shep did if the coaching staff were high on him.
If Slayton re-signs here this will be very polarizing.
Only if it’s for a lot of money. He has value and no one hates him. He’s just not a WR I want starting. If he’s our 4 I’m good with that. But I want a true #1, Hodgins and Wandale on the fuel over him.
If Slayton re-signs here this will be very polarizing.
Not if he is cheap.
What is your version of cheap?
Something near veteran minimum... with a small signing bonus/guaranteed money. He's a 4th/5th wide receiver at best. Hell, if Collin Johnson didn't get hurt, he wouldn't have made the team last year.
yeah, 750+ yds year in year out is a 4th-5th WR, ok.
Tell me, whose 5th WR has 750 yds a year??????? Utterly ridiculous statement.
Why bring him back? There's at least a dozen guys we could take on Day 3 of the draft if not, undrafted free agency who could do the same. He's not special. It's time to move on and let someone else have the opportunity to produce in Dab's/Kafka's offense. Someone who won't drop the ball as often perhaps.
maybe $2 mill, ok. He is an off the bench guy at best - #4 or #5 WR.
Otherwise - move on.
AT BEST #4 you say. AT BEST. show me how many teams #4 WR got more yds than slayton last year. when one says AT BEST, i would expect that at least half the NFL have teams have 4 WRs who got more yds than slayton did. tell me who those teams were.I'll wait.
- Slayton - knows the team, QB, and system. We know his flaws
- Hardman - speed, worked with Kafka, should be able to adapt quickly. Questionable hands, and why did he never grow into a bigger role in KC with Mahomes?
- Chark - ideal size and speed. Some very good highlights. 2 teams seem to have given up on him already....why?
None of these guys are going to be the X/1 receiver, but combined with a potential draft pick could help to make the WR corps more competitive.
I can see Slayton coming back, but they will be looking at ways to make sure they bring talent in above him over the next 2 years.
I like Slayotn . . . . but I've noticed something about his game
Recently the NFL Network replayed the Giants vs Vikings play off games. A couple things stood out when I focused on Slayton. 1. He had the big drop at the end of the game, but he had a few other drops as well. 2. I lost count, but Slayton seemed to line up on the wrong side of the field coming out of the huddle. DJ was constantly having to tell him to get on the other side of the field.
From a coaching perspective I can imagine that drives them nuts. It adds time to getting the play off with the play clock counting down and illustrates he doesn't completely grasp the playbook.
I've always liked Slayton, but understand why it might be time to move on.
maybe $2 mill, ok. He is an off the bench guy at best - #4 or #5 WR.
Otherwise - move on.
AT BEST #4 you say. AT BEST. show me how many teams #4 WR got more yds than slayton last year. when one says AT BEST, i would expect that at least half the NFL have teams have 4 WRs who got more yds than slayton did. tell me who those teams were.I'll wait.
He had 750 yards on the worst group of wide receivers in the NFL..when he was forced into playing time, despite early on the coaching staff showing they preferred to give numerous other players opportunities. If we spend a #1 pick on Flowers/Hyatt..whoever...that guy is going to be on the field, Wandale Robinson is going to be on the field. If Shep is healthy..shep is going to be on the field..over Slayton, if not I'd still think Hodgins would be the coaches prefrence over Slayton based on how Slayton was sparingly used early on last year, and how the passing game started showing signs of life once Hodgins was repeatedly being targeted by Jones. On most NFL rosters, Slayton wouldn't be approaching 700+ yards because he'd never see the field.
- Slayton - knows the team, QB, and system. We know his flaws
- Hardman - speed, worked with Kafka, should be able to adapt quickly. Questionable hands, and why did he never grow into a bigger role in KC with Mahomes?
- Chark - ideal size and speed. Some very good highlights. 2 teams seem to have given up on him already....why?
None of these guys are going to be the X/1 receiver, but combined with a potential draft pick could help to make the WR corps more competitive.
I can see Slayton coming back, but they will be looking at ways to make sure they bring talent in above him over the next 2 years.
It was only ONE YEAR and it can all turn, but if last year was at all indicative, It doesn’t matter how Chalk et al have previousl performed, we have Dabes and he SEEMS to be able to get the best out of his players, imv
maybe $2 mill, ok. He is an off the bench guy at best - #4 or #5 WR.
Otherwise - move on.
AT BEST #4 you say. AT BEST. show me how many teams #4 WR got more yds than slayton last year. when one says AT BEST, i would expect that at least half the NFL have teams have 4 WRs who got more yds than slayton did. tell me who those teams were.I'll wait.
He had 750 yards on the worst group of wide receivers in the NFL..when he was forced into playing time, despite early on the coaching staff showing they preferred to give numerous other players opportunities. If we spend a #1 pick on Flowers/Hyatt..whoever...that guy is going to be on the field, Wandale Robinson is going to be on the field. If Shep is healthy..shep is going to be on the field..over Slayton, if not I'd still think Hodgins would be the coaches prefrence over Slayton based on how Slayton was sparingly used early on last year, and how the passing game started showing signs of life once Hodgins was repeatedly being targeted by Jones. On most NFL rosters, Slayton wouldn't be approaching 700+ yards because he'd never see the field.
Exactly this. This is the concept of "replacement level." If you have a football team, you have receivers, and some are going to catch passes. So Slayton's numbers are in part because of the opportunities he got.
maybe $2 mill, ok. He is an off the bench guy at best - #4 or #5 WR.
Otherwise - move on.
AT BEST #4 you say. AT BEST. show me how many teams #4 WR got more yds than slayton last year. when one says AT BEST, i would expect that at least half the NFL have teams have 4 WRs who got more yds than slayton did. tell me who those teams were.I'll wait.
He had 750 yards on the worst group of wide receivers in the NFL..when he was forced into playing time, despite early on the coaching staff showing they preferred to give numerous other players opportunities. If we spend a #1 pick on Flowers/Hyatt..whoever...that guy is going to be on the field, Wandale Robinson is going to be on the field. If Shep is healthy..shep is going to be on the field..over Slayton, if not I'd still think Hodgins would be the coaches prefrence over Slayton based on how Slayton was sparingly used early on last year, and how the passing game started showing signs of life once Hodgins was repeatedly being targeted by Jones. On most NFL rosters, Slayton wouldn't be approaching 700+ yards because he'd never see the field.
that would maybe be valid if he had one year with that production, but the fact is, it's 3 out of 4 years.
I hope he does because
Not if he is cheap.
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If Slayton re-signs here this will be very polarizing.
Not if he is cheap.
What is your version of cheap?
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If Slayton re-signs here this will be very polarizing.
Not if he is cheap.
What is your version of cheap?
Something near veteran minimum... with a small signing bonus/guaranteed money. He's a 4th/5th wide receiver at best. Hell, if Collin Johnson didn't get hurt, he wouldn't have made the team last year.
And, if he settles for less with the Falcons, that might indeed tell us what the Giants think/thought of him
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If Slayton re-signs here this will be very polarizing.
Not if he is cheap.
What is your version of cheap?
Something near veteran minimum... with a small signing bonus/guaranteed money. He's a 4th/5th wide receiver at best. Hell, if Collin Johnson didn't get hurt, he wouldn't have made the team last year.
I think he is getting at least $5 Mill per year so he is gone IMO.
Otherwise, time for a fresh start on both ends.
depends on the salary. He's fine for a #4 guy.
Probably frustration?
Even the prior regime that drafted him, went as far as backing up the brinks truck to sign Golladay and then spent a first round pick on Kadarius Toney. The new regime, with those two in tow, spent a second rounder on Wandale Robinson, and for the first quarter of the season it seemed the coaching staff went out of their way to keep Slayton from getting in games. There is no way the Giants are throwing significant dollars his way imo. Slayton is a limited player. He would have factored into the offense much earlier, like Shep did if the coaching staff were high on him.
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Otherwise - move on.
Only if it’s for a lot of money. He has value and no one hates him. He’s just not a WR I want starting. If he’s our 4 I’m good with that. But I want a true #1, Hodgins and Wandale on the fuel over him.
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If Slayton re-signs here this will be very polarizing.
Not if he is cheap.
What is your version of cheap?
Something near veteran minimum... with a small signing bonus/guaranteed money. He's a 4th/5th wide receiver at best. Hell, if Collin Johnson didn't get hurt, he wouldn't have made the team last year.
Tell me, whose 5th WR has 750 yds a year??????? Utterly ridiculous statement.
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Something around 5 mill a year. We won’t pay him that much, so he will be GONE.
And, if he settles for less with the Falcons, that might indeed tell us what the Giants think/thought of him
I bet he gets more than 5.
Otherwise - move on.
- Slayton - knows the team, QB, and system. We know his flaws
- Hardman - speed, worked with Kafka, should be able to adapt quickly. Questionable hands, and why did he never grow into a bigger role in KC with Mahomes?
- Chark - ideal size and speed. Some very good highlights. 2 teams seem to have given up on him already....why?
None of these guys are going to be the X/1 receiver, but combined with a potential draft pick could help to make the WR corps more competitive.
I can see Slayton coming back, but they will be looking at ways to make sure they bring talent in above him over the next 2 years.
From a coaching perspective I can imagine that drives them nuts. It adds time to getting the play off with the play clock counting down and illustrates he doesn't completely grasp the playbook.
I've always liked Slayton, but understand why it might be time to move on.
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maybe $2 mill, ok. He is an off the bench guy at best - #4 or #5 WR.
Otherwise - move on.
AT BEST #4 you say. AT BEST. show me how many teams #4 WR got more yds than slayton last year. when one says AT BEST, i would expect that at least half the NFL have teams have 4 WRs who got more yds than slayton did. tell me who those teams were.I'll wait.
He had 750 yards on the worst group of wide receivers in the NFL..when he was forced into playing time, despite early on the coaching staff showing they preferred to give numerous other players opportunities. If we spend a #1 pick on Flowers/Hyatt..whoever...that guy is going to be on the field, Wandale Robinson is going to be on the field. If Shep is healthy..shep is going to be on the field..over Slayton, if not I'd still think Hodgins would be the coaches prefrence over Slayton based on how Slayton was sparingly used early on last year, and how the passing game started showing signs of life once Hodgins was repeatedly being targeted by Jones. On most NFL rosters, Slayton wouldn't be approaching 700+ yards because he'd never see the field.
- Slayton - knows the team, QB, and system. We know his flaws
- Hardman - speed, worked with Kafka, should be able to adapt quickly. Questionable hands, and why did he never grow into a bigger role in KC with Mahomes?
- Chark - ideal size and speed. Some very good highlights. 2 teams seem to have given up on him already....why?
None of these guys are going to be the X/1 receiver, but combined with a potential draft pick could help to make the WR corps more competitive.
I can see Slayton coming back, but they will be looking at ways to make sure they bring talent in above him over the next 2 years.
It was only ONE YEAR and it can all turn, but if last year was at all indicative, It doesn’t matter how Chalk et al have previousl performed, we have Dabes and he SEEMS to be able to get the best out of his players, imv
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maybe $2 mill, ok. He is an off the bench guy at best - #4 or #5 WR.
Otherwise - move on.
AT BEST #4 you say. AT BEST. show me how many teams #4 WR got more yds than slayton last year. when one says AT BEST, i would expect that at least half the NFL have teams have 4 WRs who got more yds than slayton did. tell me who those teams were.I'll wait.
He had 750 yards on the worst group of wide receivers in the NFL..when he was forced into playing time, despite early on the coaching staff showing they preferred to give numerous other players opportunities. If we spend a #1 pick on Flowers/Hyatt..whoever...that guy is going to be on the field, Wandale Robinson is going to be on the field. If Shep is healthy..shep is going to be on the field..over Slayton, if not I'd still think Hodgins would be the coaches prefrence over Slayton based on how Slayton was sparingly used early on last year, and how the passing game started showing signs of life once Hodgins was repeatedly being targeted by Jones. On most NFL rosters, Slayton wouldn't be approaching 700+ yards because he'd never see the field.
Exactly this. This is the concept of "replacement level." If you have a football team, you have receivers, and some are going to catch passes. So Slayton's numbers are in part because of the opportunities he got.
I don't mind bringing Slayton back.
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maybe $2 mill, ok. He is an off the bench guy at best - #4 or #5 WR.
Otherwise - move on.
AT BEST #4 you say. AT BEST. show me how many teams #4 WR got more yds than slayton last year. when one says AT BEST, i would expect that at least half the NFL have teams have 4 WRs who got more yds than slayton did. tell me who those teams were.I'll wait.
He had 750 yards on the worst group of wide receivers in the NFL..when he was forced into playing time, despite early on the coaching staff showing they preferred to give numerous other players opportunities. If we spend a #1 pick on Flowers/Hyatt..whoever...that guy is going to be on the field, Wandale Robinson is going to be on the field. If Shep is healthy..shep is going to be on the field..over Slayton, if not I'd still think Hodgins would be the coaches prefrence over Slayton based on how Slayton was sparingly used early on last year, and how the passing game started showing signs of life once Hodgins was repeatedly being targeted by Jones. On most NFL rosters, Slayton wouldn't be approaching 700+ yards because he'd never see the field.